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4:00 PM
Hello
 
'Ello
 
Seems I've nerd sniped myself all week long
Can't stop working on this pointless project
 
Ah, if it makes you feel better I've been wrapped up in this annoyingly long answer to a SO question, heh.
 
@spoulson Which?
 
Wil
... I don't suppose there are any fluent/good French speakers here fora very quick favour?
 
4:06 PM
@spoulson Ugh, I fear the day when SO sees "What's your favorite nerd snipe?"
 
@Wil ... there's always Google Translate if you're desperate
 
@Wil If there's nobody else, I can try to dredge up my high school French, but I was pretty bad at it.
 
@Wil Eh, my mind is probably a bit too dull right now to go multilingual, but what was the favour?
 
This time it's figuring out Direct 3D/MFC/C++ for a realtime rendered rotozoomer
Once I got it working at a decent framerate, I had to figure out how to do X, then Y broke, fix that, then try Z, etc. never ends
 
Wil
Basically, I am driving to France next month and need to take some pet birds (Long story), and trying to send a message - but I can't translate/know whats best on the "Department" drop down - Can't easily use Google Translate... but I will if no one can help! - agriculture.gouv.fr/Contact,1227
 
4:09 PM
It started because I wanted to run a rotozoomer I wrote in asm back in the '90s under DOS. But it won't run on WinXP or newer because of the video mode it wants to use. So it couldn't be that hard to rewrite, could it...?
 
Wil
I tried ringing UK agencies and got the forms and there shouldn't be a problem, but they said about double checking with French agencies/embassy - they were pretty useless and despite knowing English and what I was saying, they didn't know anything!
 
@Wil The main SO Tavern has about 25 people, which may give you a better chance of getting help
 
@spoulson Handle orthogonal directions independently! (I'm sure that's not the right answer here, I don't even know what a rotozoomer is -- though I remember you mentioning it earlier -- but it was the solution to an infuriating homework problem I had last night.)
 
 
Wil
@YiJiang Keeping my fingers crossed!
 
4:10 PM
@radp lolwut?
 
@YiJiang I guess you shouldn't get Notes and Lotus Notes confused.
 
@YiJiang I guess that's a non-Notes-generated password prompt with a security warning
 
@Wil From the few I do recognize, I'd say those are territories/provinces/states, which France does call "departments."
 
@Wil Département here means the area of France that you're asking in regards to
The departments of France (, ) and many of its former colonies are administrative divisions. The 100 French departments are grouped into 22 metropolitan and four overseas regions, all of which have identical legal status as integral parts of France. The departments are subdivided into 342 arrondissements, which in turn, are divided into cantons. Each canton consists of a small number of communes. In the overseas territories, some of the communes play a role at departmental level. History The first French "departments", in the sense of territory, were proposed in 1665 by Marc-René d'Ar...
Ah, @PopularDemand beat me to it. :P
 
@PopularDemand See this version in Flash: weltenkonstrukteur.de/2008/12/rotozoomer-in-actionscript30
@PopularDemand It's basically texture mapping to a rectangular area
 
4:14 PM
@spoulson Gotcha.
 
Wil
Many thanks @Popular/@Tim Stone, Ahh! Ok... That makes sense, I tried copying/pasting the HTML for the drop down to Google Translate and even with the extra HTML, I couldn't work out why it wasn't working/so much French...
 
@PopularDemand I tried it first in GDI/C# but took ~600ms to render a 400x300 area.
 
looks like bb
 
@PopularDemand With Direct3D/C++ it runs >50fps full screen 1280x768
 
Wil
I can't see Lille or Calais on the list, I see Paris there so may just send there and cross my fingers.
 
4:15 PM
I guess I'm going to upload my own version of that
 
@PopularDemand And despite the name, I'm not using 3D acceleration; software rendering direct to video buffer
 
@Wil "Calais is a town in northern France in the department of Pas-de-Calais, of which it is a sub-prefecture. "
@spoulson With performance like that, who cares what it's drawing?
"[Lille] is the capital of the Nord-Pas de Calais region and the prefecture of the Nord department."
 
Wil
@PopularDemand Brilliant, thanks - I already sent to Paris, but did back and resent there - Hope they don't get annoyed about two messages!... just hope I get (and understand) the response.
I am sure there won't be problems and Calais is really the one I am worried about, but thanks a lot for looking that up!
 
@Wil No problem.
 
@PopularDemand I'm putting together a blog post, so you'll get to try it yourself.
 
4:23 PM
@spoulson Yipe.
 
Whoa, just noticed the starred post on gamedev SE
 
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Q: Cross-site tag sets are live: feedback?

Jeff AtwoodOn http://stackexchange.com -- assuming you are logged in via global auth -- we now support cross-site "tag sets". That is, you can set up a stream of tagged questions on a single site, or across multiple sites. Like so: You can also browse other people's tag sets, so feel free to set up tag ...

 
@JeffAtwood Saw it yesterday. Like the idea. Haven't tried using it yet.
 
also @Wil you're here but not on chat.superuser .. tsk tsk :)
 
Wil
@JeffAtwood LOL... I just replaced superuser with meta.stackoverflow in the address bar! needed a quick answer and thought there would be more people here! :)
@JeffAtwood I'll go back!
 
4:26 PM
@Jeff Does this support "*friday*" syntax?
 
I'm just kidding :)
we are moving most of the sites to one large chat site at chat.stackexchange.com -- so there are more people to talk to...
of course sites will still have their own rooms
 
ah yeah, some people were talking about that last night
curious to see how it works, lots of questions about it
 
@PopularDemand I don't think so, that'd be a request, put it as an answer to the meta q
 
@PopularDemand what does this mean?
 
Wil
@JeffAtwood Cool... Sounds good... Seems a bit silly having so many different lounges/Tavern/whatever!
 
4:30 PM
@JeffAtwood Why doesn't the views for these questions have the same options as on se sites, like "hot" and "month"?
 
(Which I'll update as soon as I find the source for that syntax. I think it was rolled out in a Meta post.)
 
@Jeff, so SE sites won't have their own chat rooms, but instead all will share one? ( with different rooms for each SE .. )
 
no, they will all be on one site again
 
@StefanLiebenberg You kind of overloaded the word "room" there :)
 
Well, it looks like it could be a very powerful tool, but the UI right now is slightly anaemic
 
4:35 PM
like first on here (during beta), so no longer on separate sites, but just separate rooms
 
@MichaelMrozek, overloaded... clarify sir... ? :P
 
Shouldn't we pick the tag first, then let the system tell me on which sites those tags are used?
 
@StefanLiebenberg You used "room" to mean "network", and then to mean "room". Don't worry about it, I was just amused
 
@michael, I know.... my linguistics department is down for this week...
 
@rchern Updated.
 
4:37 PM
Wait a second... isn't this an implementation of one of the top feature-request on MSO?
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Q: Move the remove tag "X" icon inside the tag in interesting/ignored tags

KipCurrently, the list of tags in "ignored tags" and "interesting tags" has a little "remove tag" icon to the right of each tag. However, since this icon is not inside the div containing the tag, it can sometimes get wrapped onto the next line, which causes confusion as to which tag will actually be...

oy @JeffAtwood
 
@YiJiang Looks like it, though the behavior hasn't rolled out to the standard sites yet.
 
oh, wildcards.
 
yeah, I don't agree with that request, so good luck ... you're gonna need it.
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@YiJiang Hey, you're not rchern.
Don't confuse me.
 
o:
 
4:39 PM
Now I'm all sorts of confused.
 
@JeffAtwood, when is chat.SE coming? 6-8 weeks? (:
 
@YiJiang is posing as @rchern and @JeffAtwood doesn't agree with the feature request but it was seemingly implemented anyway albeit in a place no one had anticipated at the time? Madness.
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@rchern It'll be done by dinner time...in 6-8 weeks.
 
@TimStone I'm just waiting to find out what the Patented Jeff Atwood Violent Response is in this situation.
 
@JeffAtwood have youseen my SE 3.0 proposal?
 
@Gulshan This is the one I initially thought Yi Jiang was referring to, by the way.
 
4:42 PM
@PopularDemand As long as it doesn't get as violent as @YiJiang with his <table>-attack, I think I'll make it.
 
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Q: Can Stack Exchange follow a more generic approach?

GulshanI have been a member of Stack Overflow for almost a year and a half. Recently I also registered for Super User, Programmers SE and Web Apps SE. But I am getting a bit confused, maintaining so many different accounts and sites. And more "same-type sites" are coming through the Stack Exchange 2.0 p...

 
Note: adding the tag [java] to the StackExchange™ GlobalTag™ MegaBlender™ pretty much floods out any other tags.
 
@TimStone hehehe, I just have lots of questions about how this combined chat will work. A couple of them were answered last night, but that just brought up more questions!
 
@PopularDemand MegaBlender™ makes me think of smoothies, and now I'm hungry.
 
I like that I would have only one site to keep track off and give some topics more overlap (though the new SE feature with the tags gives you one site to look at!), but I do think there's value in having rep per separate topic @Gulshan
 
4:45 PM
@rchern Oh, I agree entirely. I'm not going to go grab a pitchfork or anything, but I am still struggling with the details.
 
(things like moderator privileges, site design, etc)
 
@IvoFlipse so should I mark this [status-completed] then?
 
@IvoFlipse I do have proposed counting reps per separate topics.
 
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A: Cross-site tag sets are live: feedback?

Ivo FlipseI know George Edison already had an app that allows for customizable RSS-feeds, but would it be possible to get an RSS feed of this aggravated question feed?

the aggravated feed? (;
 
all our feeds are aggravated!
 
4:48 PM
@JeffAtwood, what if i want to follow an entire site, not just specific tags?
 
@TimStone You're welcome.
@rchern Wait for my feature request to get implemented, then follow [*].
 
@PopularDemand Thanks. :P I guess it is about time to make some food anyway, heh.
 
@rchern I don't think that's the use case for this feature, really
 
That post is supposed to be about cross-site tagging, but all I saw was:
 
@rchern Then just go to that site, and look at the active tab
 
4:53 PM
@PopularDemand You got the links?
 
@MichaelMrozek Yeah, they're trying to highlight the sites that are struggling and may not deserve to live.
@Gulshan What links?
The left-side sidebar thing?
 
@PopularDemand I suppose being grouped with programmers.SE isn't a good thing
 
@PopularDemand image links for left-hand bars.. which I thought of about the site.
 
@Gulshan Yeah, I glanced at them. They're basically OSX's dock or Windows 95+'s taskbar, right?
 
@PopularDemand yap
@PopularDemand I thing I want to know. What is the most misunderstood point/section of my SE 3.0 proposal?
 
just too bad that I have to fill in tags for a dozen sites, while I'm sure someone could do a pretty good job of recommending me questions @JeffAtwood
 
@Gulshan Not sure... maybe the super tags? You're kind of vague about those, though it seems to be at least partially intentional.
@AidenBell Area 51 has no API.
 
@PopularDemand - lame
Well, I started a proposal .... check it out
 
@Gulshan where do you mention the separate rep for each super-tag?
 
@JeffAtwood oh i see. would be nice to be able to. aggregating questions from the sites and as a mod on a smaller site, following all tags seems proper i guess
 
5:03 PM
@AidenBell Hm, "Large Organizations" is pretty broad.
 
@IvoFlipse Any user profile can be queried against a "Super tag" to get a tag-specific profile. Visitors to "Super tag" subsites will be shown tag-specific user statistics.
May be it is not clear enough
 
@PopularDemand - Broad yes, but ultimately the same sorts of questions
 
As I didn't use the word reputation..
Gonna edit to make it clear..
 
ah right I see it @PopularDemand, well what I do like about having one site is that I think that if you gain some privileges (like editing and adding tags), this shouldn't be withdrawn when I go to another site. The fact that you get more than 10k rep for instance, means you have a very clear understanding of how the site works and doesn't need to be built up. I don't feel that you need any knowledge of the community to be able to use these tools
 
@PopularDemand a Google or IBM SO would be too fragmented; Organisations is a good catch granularity I think
 
5:06 PM
@IvoFlipse Yeah, the root of the problem is that rep is one number for two things: topic knowledge and SE network knowledge.
 
well luckily SE knows enough about you to see how much SE network knowledge I have @PopularDemand, so they shouldn't have to test me yet again ;-)
also what I do like would be one account for every site, without the need of having to create one in the first place. The whole concept of linking accounts is just rubbish, I'm the same person on the same site, log me in already!
 
@IvoFlipse I never really understood the difference between one account for every site and linked accounts with the same OpenID.
Wow, angry comments much?
4
Q: What is MVC (Model View Controller)?

Chris PietschmannI've heard the term MVC (Model View Controller) tossed about with a ton of Buzz lately, but what really is it?

 
Lately!?!? We're on MVVCVVVCMVCMMMVVVCCCMVCVVC by now!
 
@PopularDemand reputations with hassle of going to all the sites separately.
 
somebody should delete those comments
 
5:12 PM
@IvoFlipse Edited. Now the point looks like- "Any user profile/reputation can be queried against a "Super tag" to get a tag-specific profile/reputation. Visitors to "Super tag" subsites will be shown tag-specific user reputation. For some privileges like chat and retagging the overall reputation will be used while for some other like closing a question will require tag-specific reputation."
 
anyway @Gulshan I will have another look at your question later and try to give a proper response
 
ok
 
Hmmm... my conversation with @AidenBell seems less productive then before
in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 min ago, by Yi Jiang
    -------------
   /   REST IN   \
  /     PEACE     \
 /                 \
 |    AidenBell    |
 |   killed by a   |
 |giant <table> tag|
 |    *  *  *      |
 /\\_/(\/(/\)\//\//|
 
5:36 PM
What is the secret code in the SE footer? Now that we have more graduated sites, the pattern is orange / orange / orange / red / light blue / gray / forest / cobalt / black / burnt sienna / sky blue / taupe / yellow.
 
Good ol' burnt sienna
 
@AidenBell Nice, I'll take another look at that in a bit and see if I want to commit.
 
Which one will be more common for the stack exchange sites? separate domains or just a SE sub-domain?
Considering the case of webApps?
I don't know whether this discussion is already over by now. This is my first time in chat and 2nd day in meta.
 
5:53 PM
@Gulshan The discussion is over. I could link you to a small book worth of reading material, but the summary is basically this blog post.
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Q: Proposal: Free day in the visit log to account for the Oct 23rd downtime

Popular Demand This is an intentional ripoff of Proposal: Free day in the visit log to account for the Oct 9th downtime, which is [status-planned] as of this writing. If there is downtime on Oct 23, 2010 due to datacenter migration, I propose giving every user who visits on Oct 22nd, 2010 a free entry in t...

Hopefully we can nip some potential angst in the bud.
 
@PopularDemand Honestly, this downtime was much shorter
 
@radp What downtime?
 
Today's?
 
The downtime was a lie.
But what @PopularDemand is talking about is very different than what you're talking about, @radp
 
._.
 
5:58 PM
status-potential-migration-downtime
versus
status-rogue-regular-expression-downtime
@radp Priorities. :D
 
@radp I have to ask... what's [bob-came-in-pieces]?
 
I had the same question, but restrained myself.
 
@PopularDemand It's, huh, Bob Came in Pieces
 
@radp I was kind of hoping for a description rather than a link, as I am at work. I'll just make a note to look it up later, though.
 
okay, then.
 
6:02 PM
@radp Oh, that looks kind of cool.
 
@PopularDemand It's some sort of physics puzzle
You assemble your ship with pieces you collect along
booster and connecting pieces
and change design to solve each task
for example some times you'll need to have a stick on your ship right
but that'll make piloting your ship a pain
so you need careful weight and booster balance and whatnot.
 
Jin
is it a bad idea that I want to try Minecraft at some point? Is it as life draining as WoW?
 
@Jin nah, it's got some inbuilt sanity measures -- the game will corrupt your save files from time to time :D
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@radp Fair enough.
 
Jin
@radp i'm not sure if that's a comforting feature...
 
6:07 PM
@Jin it's alpha quality software. Shit will happen.
It's however stable enough for normal uses.
anyway, it's hard to recommend now that a pretty big, game changing update is coming for it.
The game wasn't exactly frustration-free before.
 
@Jin, designing SE sites doesn't take up all your time?
quick people! we need more proposals!
 
Hi y'all
 
yesterday, by radp
A Q&A site for everybody who has any question mark
 
@rchern It's research.
 
(;
 
6:12 PM
@rchern C'mon, the Physics proposal is nearly in beta!
 
Jin
@rchern ha it's taking all my time now...
it's like a nonstop exercise of CSS Zen Garden with Stackoverflow's HTML...
 
@PopularDemand i'm committed to 3 already. of course, they're all stuck in committment
 
Physics has been "nearly in beta" for a while. It needs a kick.
 
@rchern Oh, I meant to ask, did I totally muck up things with my changes as far as reintegration goes?
 
What is your view on the X-to-remove tags topic?
 
6:14 PM
the 3 i'm in are at 35%, 30%, and 25% committment
 
@Jin with Stackoverflow's HTML... You poor, poor designer. :(
 
I have 0 open commitments because I'm not done yet with Gaming until we get a domain name at least.
That'll take, er, some time.
 
Jin
@TimStone I told the core team to change the HTML quite a bit in the past few months, but still needs a lot of improvement.
 
@Radp what are the top choices, if any?
 
@TimStone, haven't tried yet
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Q: How to handle pull requests with Git Extensions?

rchernI have a public repository on github that I'm having trouble handling pull requests with inside GitExtensions. I've done 3 so far, and I don't think any of them have worked properly or worked where I want them to. On the 19th, I tried to handle a pull request that Yi Jiang created. In GitExte...

 
6:16 PM
Diago's back.
 
i'm going to try it tonight, but i'd rather do it at home where i can give it 100% attention rather than at work
 
@PopularDemand Hmm, I could get on board with physics...I almost did a double-major. Though I'm not sure my brain can handle that much thinking right now.
 
@TimS Go look at the question base, it's nothing scary
 
why does jeff always tweet site graduations a day after they've graduated lol
 
Now, HEP, that has some scary questions.
 
6:17 PM
@rchern Makes sense. I think I got pinged about it (much) earlier, which is why I asked.
 
@TimStone Full disclosure, I don't know nearly enough about physics to feel comfortable committing to that site. I doubt they're looking for people who could at most explain first-year college material.
 
@Jin @YiJiang has been championing for you on that point, he keeps threatening to bash people with SO's unnecessary <table> tags.
 
Based on what we have so far, it's more like an undergrad and questions-from-popular-science site.
 
I made that mistake when I committed to TeX -- turns out I don't know much about TeX
 
@TimS Wasn't there a question about misaligned privileges and percent numbers that was a result of that?
 
Jin
6:19 PM
@TimStone yeah... tables make me cry.
 
Sep 6 at 20:17, by Popular Demand
If I have learned one thing from the SE process, it's that I am not an expert in anything.
 
Jin
@PopularDemand sounds like you're an expert in self-discovery...
 
@Jin Please. Do you have any idea how much I don't know about myself?
 
@MichaelMrozek yep, same with Maths
 
@PopularDemand Yeah, I'm a little worried that all of that physics information has jumped out of my head by now, heh. I was thinking about going back to school for it at some point, so maybe then I'll feel semi-capable. :P
 
6:21 PM
The purpose of my life... where I'll live when I'm all grown up... my birthday... my eye color....
 
@PopularDemand yes -- it's exactly π
 
@MarkC That was actually because they didn't use tables and IE7 is stupid
@Jin Especially the single-column ones :(
Hahahah
 
@Jin Which tables? Some of what SO displays could legitimately be described as tabular data.
 
@PopularDemand like the recent badge list or the comment areas?
 
@TimS Yeah, I was thinking mainly it was IE's fault for not conforming to spec. (Aside, a programmer friend told me Microsoft didn't even stick to their own .DOC or XML specs.)
 
Jin
6:23 PM
sure for tabular data table is fine, and should be used. but there are cases where divs should be used. e.g. the question post sections.
 
The compiler functions responsible for suppressing PHP exceptions via the @ operator are called zend_do_begin_silence and zend_do_end_silence
"It's quiet time now, PHP"
 
Hey, someone actually cleaned up the comments I mentioned earlier! Thanks, mysterious stranger!
 
function please_do_not_warn_me_I_know_what_I_am_doing(){ # no you don't
 
I have a question that might seem like a grenade, can I ask it here while I consider posting it on Meta?
 
6:26 PM
Mmm, cold coffee.
 
@radp Heheh :P
 
Well, since no one's said anything yet, here goes:
The Vi & Vim site proposal was closed for reasons described there.
145 followers, 240 committed.
The Emacs proposal only has 67 followers (not even to commitment stage yet) but is still alive, it seems.
Now, I am not trying to stir up strife, but I want to ask if you think this is reasonable (I don't know enough yet to have an opinion).
Or, rather, whether it would be useful to have a Vi(m)/Emacs site.
I guess it comes down to whether or not it would be easy to get answers on SuperUser, and there are 413 questions now with the "Vim" tag.
 
@MarkC If the on-topic questions are covered by an existing site (mostly programmers.SE and Stack Overflow for the programming-related topics), they will be deleted. Any site along those lines that are still there just means I have not gotten around to it, yet.
My first priority is to stay on top of new proposals and proposals as they pass into commitment. The rest will be evaluated in time.
 
Okay, I was suspecting as much. Thanks, Robert.
 
If anyone sees a proposals that is a 100%-dupe of an existing site, simply vote to close as a duplicate. Failing that, simply flag it for moderator attention.
 
6:37 PM
All right.
Do you think you should require a little more work to submit a proposal? It would cut down the number of "instant oatmeal" proposals to sift through.
 
i'm waiting for the music proposals to get dealt with
 
@rchern "dealt with"?
 
@Robert sorry, I didn't tag you before, I thought you were still here. Do you coordinators think it would be a good idea to make the proposal creation a little more involved?
@Popular Yes, "dealt with" in the sense of "sorted out".
 
@PopularDemand They'll be sleeping with the fishes by dawn tomorrow.
 
There are Guitars, Musical Instruments, Instrument Builders, Guitar Luthiers, Music Theory, Music Practice & Composition, and so on
 
6:53 PM
@TimStone Proposals can sleep? Do they do so furiously? Are they also green and colorless?
 
Oh yeah, and Classical Guitar and Music Practice & Performance (I think)
 
I'm learning so much!
 
@Pop I do not understand...
 
@PopularDemand, there were some talks on Meta of merging the proposals like @MarkC mentioned, but the talks seemed to have stalled for more pressing matters i guess
 
@PopularDemand I'd argue stranger things have happened within the depths of the Stack Exchange network, so...yes to all.
 
6:56 PM
@MarkC I don't think we have to, necessarily, make the proposal process more involved. What needs work is the inner-proposal communication... some sort of meta discussion among groups of proposals to best decide how these proposed "topics" can form good end-user sites.
 
@TimStone Ref
 
@RobertC Yes, a meta discussion is a good idea, but I mean it like what happens when you write a question---if you have to put just enough effort into it to think about it clearly and thoroughly, you may find out the answer before you post.
 
@rchern It didn't stall. There was no conclusive consensus arrived at by the music participants. We even had a chat session. So we either have to provide an on-going forum to work these things out... or make an executive decision. There's no pressing, imminent music proposal ready to burst onto the scenes to force the decision right now.
 
@PopularDemand Ah ha, clearly that reference was over my head. Interesting..
 
@MarkC I don't quite understand what you are asking.
 
7:02 PM
@RobertCartaino, oh.
 
I mean some way to help proposal authors spend a little more time to think about (and look at similar topics) proposals. When something is very easy to do, like commenting, it makes the average quality (proposal) lower than it would be otherwise.
@Robert I also had a question about Area51: I don't seem to be able to un-follow closed proposals. Is there a way to do this?
 
@rchern I'm taking it a bit slow, merging some more "obvious" candidates to see how it goes. E.g. Parenting proposals... no doubt they should be ONE proposal. Judiaism... same thing.
@MarkC Hmm... I'm not aware of an issue with that. I'll have to check meta.
 
hmmm there's one for judaism?
oh, it is still in definition
 
Well, I was considering whether to post a question about it but since you're here I might as well ask.
 
@rchern Yes, I am considering having them all support this one (the one that has the best community from SE 1.0:
 
7:09 PM
@RobertCartaino I can't wait for the day when someone suggests merging "Biblical *," "Judaism" and "Buddhism" into one site. Popcorn consumption in the region of me will skyrocket.
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We can call it "topics on human insecurity and the pathological pursuit of God"
 
@RobertCartaino, yeah, that's the one i meant by saying it was still in definition. seems backwards dealing with things still in definition rather than commitment but i guess maybe more clear cut
 
Yes, I picked them because it was really clear cut (like parents); virtually no decision to be made. More to get experience with the ins-and-outs and possible pitfalls of merging proposals.
 
7:32 PM
How will chat permissions work with the new site? Admission to room A requires 20 rep on site A? What about non-site-specific rooms? Will there be any? Is it too early for these questions?
 
hehe that's the sort of stuff we were talking to @MarcGravell about last night
 
@RobertCartaino I've long wondered why there isn't a meta.area51
 
@RogerPate There is. It's called Meta Stack Overflow.
 
I hate marketing
 
@AidenBell Many thanks for pasting it in here then
 
7:40 PM
@AidenBell What makes that specific ad so special?
 
@PopularDemand then it doesn't seem to be working for area51 participants
 
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Q: Why doesn't Area 51 have its own Meta?

Popular DemandAccording to the blog, per-site Metas have opened up for all sites except for the special case of SO/MSO. (Discussion about the special case is discussed further here.) Area 51 is not mentioned, though. I understand that it's not exactly an SE site, but doesn't it deserve a place for meta-disc...

Tell Jeff.
 
tbh, I lost interest in a51 a long time ago, *shrug*
 
@Pop @Rog Have you noticed that you can't un-follow a closed proposal?
 
no, haven't noticed; haven't been participating in a51
 
7:50 PM
Hmm. What is the default character encoding used by Java? Is there a standard one?
 
Robert said he was going to look on Meta (I can't find anything about it yet), but I did find this:
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Q: Can't unfollow a proposal in beta

DownvoterI'd like to unfollow web applications, but I can't (I could when it was in commitment). I started following it in the hopes of being invited to the private beta, but that didn't happen.

Which is answered as "Fixed" by Emmett.
 
@PopularDemand I guess it depends on the context. The JVM's character encoding is system-dependent, but Strings and the like are all represented as UTF-8 by default, I think.
 
@TimStone Curious. Thanks.
 
Okay, I found this reply by Robert (where he updates with a fix that prevents you from following or committing to a closed proposal:
 
Non-site-specific rooms: yes
 
7:54 PM
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A: Area 51 allows users to commit to a closed proposal

Robert CartainoThis is the intended behavior. Closing a proposal is analogous to closing a question. You can still vote on it and it can be voted to re-open. Eventually, closed proposals will be deleted. Update We changed our mind on this. Following / Committing are different than normal voting, so you won't...

 
rep: your highest
Moderator access to private rooms: to non-site-specific, or your sites; otherwise you need explicit access granted
that sound reasonable?
 
(Sorry if this is noise) My guess is that they disabled changing the "followed" status, which would have the effect of preventing you from un-following as well.
Should I write a question about it on Meta and link to those changes?
 
I don't think it's noise here, but am surprised to not see an area51 chat room
 
@MarcGravell Yeah, I think so.
 
@PopularDemand what new site? did I miss an announcement?
 
7:58 PM
@Roger - almost certainly will be on chat.SE
 
instead of chat.specific-site? or in addition to (for sites that don't have their own chat yet?)
 
we hope to have some of chat.SE open next week. Might have been sooner if the servers hadn't gone mad
 
secret.chat.stackexchange.com doesn't give me access, please fix that.
 
try chat.secret.stackexchange.com
and no, that isn't a joke
 
"Very occasionally we invite a few users to preview systems to help us validate them; please don't be offended if you haven't been invited."
Pfffttt
 
8:00 PM
the password is "I fell for it"
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@MarcGravell - You got humor-based logging up this time?
 
tail -F ftw!
 
no; alas I have real work to do... no time for such nicities
 
@AidenBell That'd be great! "Our automated systems have determined that your password attempt is pretty dang funny. Come on in."
 
oh well, it's not like I have particular interest in it anyway. It's way more fun to get the password out of @rchern anyway.
 
8:02 PM
gah
bad @radp, bad!
 
[21:02 - User "Aiden Bell"] Attempt: *awwwwcomeon!*
Access Denied
 
you should see what she says about you in our private chat.SE room
 
Wow, I thought this would be an easy SO question, but it's actually turning out to be an adventure.
 
hey! you virtual pinky swore you wouldn't say anything about that @MarcGravell!!
 
to be fair, @rchern doesn't know the password; we just white-listed her instead.
 
8:03 PM
@PopularDemand "We feel sorry for the amount of shame you have brought on yourself with your ridiculous guesses. Here, have a cookie and a free pass!"
 
@MarcGravell can't be creepier than this.
 
@rchern We have screenshot proof!
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A: Why don't PHP attributes allow functions?

Tim StoneThe compiler code suggests that this is by design, though I don't know what the official reasoning behind that is. I'm also not sure how much effort it would take to reliably implement this functionality, but there are definitely some limitations in the way that things are currently done. Though...

DONE.
 
@PopularDemand link?
 
Damn my curiosity and its forcing me to waste time on stuff that doesn't really impact me.
 
8:06 PM
@rchern That was clearly Photoshopped with the freehand letter brush.
 
@MichaelMrozek is suspiciously quiet .... [ actually, i'm not playing this game again lol ]
 
yeah, go hound @MichaelMrozek for the password!
 
@rchern - Sounds like too much protest to me, a ploy perhaps
A ruse
 
The password is obviously /login anyway.
 
> Very occasionally we invite a few users to preview systems to help us validate them; please don't be offended if you haven't been invited.
hehe i like that line
 
8:08 PM
I'm not offended. Just vengeful
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Ah, there's the problem. They won't let us in because we've been modifying their systems instead of validating them. :P
 
@TimStone - Yea, why wouldn't they want to let you guys in to ensure your userscripts work?
 
@AidenBell because I really don't know what they're testing to begin with
I mean, this is the tenth or eleventh chat deploy they make?
 
@RogerPate Sorry, got sidetracked.
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Q: How to parse word-created special chars in java

DerekI am trying to parse some word documents in java. Some of the values are things like a date range and instead of showing up like Startdate - endDate I am getting some funky characters like so StartDate ΓÇô EndDate This is where word puts in a special character hypen. Can you search for these c...

 
@radp - Doesn't matter anyway, not sure why I would go on chat.SE ... none followed my proposal
 
8:12 PM
Yeah, especially when none of the chats I visit would be effected...
right?
 
I mean, look, a week after chat.SO and we are all still in here
 
@AidenBell That's because SO has millions of users, and the chatroom would become crowded.
Plus, we'd rather talk about programming than do it :P
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@MarkC - Well there is ballsack all going on in chat.SO
 
Which would explain why I have 533 on PRogrammers but nothing really on SO
To be fair, though, I'm doing hardly any programming at the moment. (I do have a little test program I need to finish.)
 
@radp, what chats do you visit?
@TimStone hahaha
 
8:59 PM
@rchern MSO, Gaming.
 

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