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12:30 AM
@PM2Ring Sometimes high rep members mess up too :D
And as a long time, high rep user, if I mess up, I hope not to get any concessions
 
There is one concern, though. If the detection is later found to be a false positive and the answer is undeleted and the user unsuspended, then the bounty is still lost.
 
@JourneymanGeek Sure. The rules apply to everyone. Still, when someone like that does the wrong thing, I think it's reasonable to have a quiet chat with them first, rather than just hitting them with a suspension. But maybe the SO mods did that...
 
@PM2Ring there ought to have been a mod message at least
 
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Timur has already lost more points, just asking the question on MSE. ;) And the suspended user probably rep-caps virtually every day, just on residuals.
 
@PM2Ring Bounties are exempt from the cap.
 
12:40 AM
True. But I'm just saying, the points are irrelevant when you already have over a million in rep.
@JourneymanGeek That's true too. So I guess he's had the opportunity to present his case.
 
@PM2Ring tbh traditionally I'd point people at the contact form for a few reasons if they appealed. We're generally suspending experienced users as a last resort + I'd like 'fresh' eyes looking at things if we're wrong
 
It's still pretty bizarre though. OTOH, IIRC, in the early days of ChatGPT he was one of the few high-rep guys who was enthusiastic about using GenAI.
 
which would explain it
 
As it turns out, the Wayback Machine crawled his profile right before he got suspended, and his answer count has dropped by 1,731, from 31,319 right before the suspension to 29,588.
Actually, immediately after the suspension was imposed, the answer count dropped to 29,537. I'm guessing that 51 out of the 1,782 initially-deleted answers were found to be false positives and undeleted.
 
ehh, dosen't help to speculate/peanut gallery this sorta thing
 
12:51 AM
In the last year or so on Math.SE, several high-rep members (>50k, even a few >100k) got suspended for answering zero-effort homework questions. Some of those people certainly scored a lot of points over the years by answering such questions, which has always been controversial on that site. Many community members don't like that behaviour, but a significant number insist that such questions deserve answers.
So it's not totally novel to see talented high-rep people getting suspensions.
@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Wow. But Journeyman Geek is right. I didn't come here to crawl through the details.
 
1:17 AM
@PM2Ring one of the 'hard' problems of being a moderator is trying to balance the long term good with the short term good
@PM2Ring one thing I find with high rep people or people who're mods, we're stubborn, focused and a little strong willed
which can both be a asset - we get nerd baited easily, and tend to try to push for what we feel is right, and a liability when we're going the 'wrong' way
 
I'm not stubborn! :stamps foot:
:D
 
 
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2:40 AM
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda I just challenged you!
 
excellent
So... wombats at 20 paces?
 
?
 
2:59 AM
Well you did challenge him
TO A DUEL
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3:29 AM
@JourneymanGeek Ah
@JourneymanGeek It's because I don't understand what a wombat is
Nor "at 20 paces"
 
The wombat lives across the seas,
Among the far Antipodes.
He may exist on nuts and berries,
Or then again, on missionaries;
His distant habitat precludes
Conclusive knowledge of his moods,
But I would not engage the wombat
In any form of mortal combat.
a wombat is a rather fat australian masupial
20 paces is the sterotypical distance people duel at :D
 
Oh, great!!
Very nice!
Thanks for sharing this deep ancient knowledge!
@JourneymanGeek @PM2Ring I remembered you because you live in Australia :P
 
I don't :D
 
I know
You live in Singapore
@JourneymanGeek Your name appeared because I answered to your message, but the message was only for PM2Ring :P
Woof
 
4:10 AM
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6:29 AM
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6:59 AM
Kicking in the doors with all guns blazing
- IS THIS THE TAVERN?!
 
SIR THIS IS A WENDYS
 
- MY MISTAKE! I'LL POLITELY CLOSE THE DOOR AND LEAVE!
 
7:23 AM
@Marco yay! Started.
@AndreasmovedtoCodidact rofl... this reminded me of a game I used to play a LOT as a kid... let me see if I can find it. It was mini console (GameBoy perhaps) game, where you played a Sheriff who shoots a villain that barge into a bar and start shooting people. ;)
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda pff
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda user's other post can use flags too
 
Only one still exists, let's see if already reported...
Oddly enough no.
kaboom.
 
I sent the last! It's my kaboom!
:D
 
7:31 AM
echoing @Shadow
runs away
 
ah lol I remembered it wrong... you play the villain and get points for shooting bottles. :P
 
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda Pang!
 
Then you fight the Sheriff, when he arrives, and if you beat him, get to the next level.
 
As it should be!
 
yup
What makes it awesome is the sound, though.
When the Sheriff arrives you hear his footsteps, then the door opening, etc.
when you're hit by something the people throw on you, you cry, with funny sound.
Ah, how I remember this??? lol
 
7:41 AM
Hey, now you can go create a modern game like this.
3D
 
nah
Won't ruin the fun.
 
mhm
How unfortunate.
 
8:31 AM
@PM2Ring guess what? I know :) guess how I know (hint)
my answer to the MSE question is only written as if I don't know more about what happened because I don't know how much I'm allowed to share about what I know, and don't feel like trying it and finding out I said something I wasn't supposed to say.
 
8:51 AM
I really had no clue what happened :D
 
9:46 AM
@starball Ah. I see. :)
 
9:58 AM
I didn't comment on your MSE answer because I don't want to get into the specific details. But I figured it was ok to discuss the general situation here in the Tavern, which has slightly lower public visibility.
 
10:22 AM
@JourneymanGeek Wombats are pretty chunky. Wikipedia says they mostly move slowly. But if you stumble into their territory they will charge at you. I've only seen them a few times in the wild, and I kept my distance. Their burrows are fairly shallow, and they keep using a burrow as a track after the roof collapses.
 
 
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12:51 PM
@PM2Ring +1
 
1:34 PM
@PM2Ring I'm just a bit weary of the potential issues at both ends - that a user who made an honest mistake gets pilloried, or that there's pressure on mods to 'go light' on high rep users who misbehave
 
2:06 PM
@JourneymanGeek That's "wary", not "weary". I agree. With the huge amount of traffic on SO, it's just not practical to have a friendly chat with every user that break the GenAI ban before taking action. I'm not suggesting that the mods go light on high-rep users, just that it's so surprising for a high-rep user to "turn to the dark side", that in such cases they deserve a chance to explain themself before a suspension is applied.
 
@PM2Ring they sound the sameish, and autocorrect doesn't catch it
@PM2Ring to an extent, the mod message system 'can' be used for warnings before a suspension, or some mods (I'm sometimes guilty of it) try to go into detail into an issue so it won't happen again
 
Yes. That's why I'm giving you a manual correction. :) I'm also slightly dyslexic. My step-dad is very dyslexic, so spell-check & auto-correct often do a terrible job on his stuff.
Mods on the smaller sites have the luxury of applying the personal touch. On SO, they rarely have the time.
One of my main sites is Physics.SE. About 7 or 8 years ago there were incidents involving high profile members behaving badly. That got rather nasty, and there was at least one long suspension (>100 years) issued by staff. We lost some good people, including a few prominent textbook authors, and a Nobel prize winner. (I don't think those guys were suspended, they just stopped contributing). The site has never fully recovered from that loss, IMHO.
 
2:23 PM
People sometimes leave cause the place isn't fulfilling, or the politics
and I think only the saints, the total jerks, and the stubborn old curmudgeons can deal with politics
 
That was a classic case of smart, headstrong people stubbornly insisting they were right. As you said yesterday, it's not easy to deal with such situations.
 
well, part of effective small/medium site moderation is the politics of that
 
Politics was simpler in the early online days. Things were mostly democratic, with fairly simple "be nice", "do unto others", rules. Except that the mods had godlike authority over those who broke the rules. ;)
 
techically we still mostly do
 
@Tinkeringbell since I know you're a fan of positivity, try smiling at people for no reason so it becomes a habit during Happy Hour
For the perfect smile, stare at what's behind the target of your smile, and pretend like there's a joke somewhere that your target is missing
I'm very lexic. When I make a typeo, I commit.
 
2:38 PM
You have that reputation to uphold that Persians are master wordsmiths.
 
@JourneymanGeek I will save that message and refer to it later as the situation allows
@PM2Ring well I know the alphabet by heart
 
back to front and right to left?
 
My heart is not rotate-able
 
3:00 PM
@M.A.R. <:)
 
3:17 PM
@M.A.R. Is that a challenge?
 
@Mithical Do we need to call an ambulance?
 
 
3 hours later…
6:28 PM
How do I delete a chat room I created?
 
Put it in gallery mode and wait for 7 days. Don't post any thing in it.
 
How do I put in gallery mode?
 
I accessed this access part, but I don't see this gallery option.
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A: How do you delete a room on chat?

Mechanical snailProvided that the room had less than 15 messages or fewer than 2 users that posted, it will get deleted automatically if it is inactive for 7 days. You thus don't have to do anything (other than not post) to get it deleted. If you need to ensure deletion of a room you own, and you have at least 1...

I don't have enough reputation to do it.
2
A: Should I delete my own chatroom when done?

Patrick HofmanAccording to this post you can't. And even if you could, you shouldn't. Rooms are frozen when inactive. No need to delete them. If the room has little activity, it will be deleted automatically.

Nice.
 
6:45 PM
@rene it will be deleted only if up to two people posted, otherwise just get frozen after 14 days.
In such case, only a mod can delete.
 
Thanks all, anyway!
Hi @ShadowWizardLoveZelda
 
ah wait, need 1k rep which @Marco doesn't have anyway.
 
Yeah
:(
Running away with the queen, @ShadowWizardLoveZelda
Don't run, @ShadowWizardLoveZelda
 
7:47 PM
lol you give my poor queen a never ending race! @Marco
 
haha
@ShadowWizardLoveZelda again
 
Finally she can rest, no far from her beloved King. :D
 
8:06 PM
haha :D
 
8:33 PM
And now it's hunting season... get ready! :P
(and no, didn't plan that all along, I see only 2-3 steps ahead.)
 
9:12 PM
:o
 

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