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2:57 AM
hmm, 300 rep of mine just spontaneously disappeared on stackoverflow...
 
recalc?
Oh no ... looks like my meta rep is going to overtake my SO rep today .... its a sad/happy day for waffles
 
abandon all hope, waffles - the machine has you
 
welcome aboard, George. The poop deck needs swabbin'
 
@shog9 all day long the sentence "meta is murder" has been echoing in my head :)
 
3:11 AM
lol i ain't swabbin' no poop deck
 
@waffles: CATHARSIS!
 
speaking of poop, apparently i'm watching the mythbusters episode where they polish a turd
 
:)
 
@georgemarian myth polished?
 
As I started saying after first seeing this: "You can actually polish a turd, but when you're done, it no longer looks like a turd."
gah! when javascript is essential to the functionality your website, inform us of that fact!
(That's not in reference to any SO site, BTW.)
 
3:25 AM
hmm, I haven't tried that on chat yet
of course disabling javascript is really hard to do on Chrome anyway
> Welcome to the chat! Unfortunately, you have JavaScript disabled, and thus this chat will not work. If you would like to participate, please enable JavaScript in your browser and reload this page.
looks like Ben and Marc have that covered :)
 
yah, that it does
though the "loading..." is a bit misleading
 
chat without javascript would be pretty painful
 
but, acceptable...i'm used to seeing that type of thing
 
Im failing to see a real world use case where we need to cater for this ...
 
NoScript?
 
3:28 AM
even SO does not offer the full experience without javascript eg: no comments
NoScript = NoChat
simple :)
 
right, but people need to be informed of that fact
 
sure and it looks like Marc and Ben have that covered :)
 
and, yes i do understand your point...if you have 20 rep on SO, you probably have JS enabled
it's funny, lately i've come back around to the notion of following the standards
 
I would go as far as to say I hope chat does not work on ie6
 
um...ok...did my "it's funny" comment actually make it?
@waffles lol
 
3:32 AM
there are just so many hacks you want to maintain ... it does not scale
 
@waffles agreed, maintaining special cases for stupid crap drives me nuts
 
I just searched on the rooms page for "ie6"
 
@jeffatwood LOL
 
@Jeff seems like a fitting experience for an ie6 user to me
 
What would be the point of a Facebook page for the movie "Swimming with Sharks"?
man, how love the ability to edit my posts, that was quite a "typo"
 
 
3 hours later…
7:04 AM
just FYI, someone forwarded me this
I received the following blog comment last night. Normally I write them off as spam, but this one was pretty specific:

Just to clue you in. 4chan is planning on launching a trolling and spam campaign against SO, and are coordinating anons from multiple chans. There was mention of manipulating the points system and closing a bunch of popular posts. The date for launch is August 12th. THE MOAR U NO!

Horrible grammar and spelling aside. Is this even a concern? If so, do you already know about it? If not, here you go.
 
Oh lovely
 
Anti-attack measure could be to raise the amount of points you need before you can vote to something higher, temporarily
But of course, doing anything probably gives them incentives to keep at it
 
7:43 AM
> There was mention of manipulating the points system and closing a bunch of popular posts.
just another day on SO...
 
 
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9:38 AM
FWIW, searching 4chan for mentions of stack overflow didn't yield many results. Maybe it's something that was discussed in IRC.
 
Not sure what they could do, with the rep cap, it would take them quite a while to be able to do any damage, I imagine. They could be a real pest though...
 
Yeah, maybe
I reckon most people would bail out before they got to 3000 rep, you'd have to be pretty committed to come back day after day hitting the rep cap. Poor answers would get downvoted or even flagged by the community, so a good programming knowledge would be required to hit that cap anyway.
 
Hehe, the only ones who could get better rep would be the programmers, and they'd probably end up getting as hooked as the rest of us:)
Having said that, I know nothing about rep hacking, so there maybe other more DOS-style nasty things they could do.
 
Hopefully it won't be too much for the team to keep on top of. Not saying that it shouldn't be taken seriously, I think it might help if we're all extra vigilant on August 12th (in our respective timezones).
 
@benjol sympathy votes on numerous accounts concentrated on other accounts via bounties... Would still take several days at least though.
cross-voting is the oldest, and probably most reliable way to accumulate [undeserved] rep
 
9:52 AM
So the question then is can they upvote faster than we can downvote and close? :)
 
probably
either way, it'd be a mess
 
If one isn't already in place, a detection for voting patterns could be implemented where a post with enough upvotes and downvotes is automatically flagged for moderator attention. You know, just for the time being
 
FWIW: closing is actually one of the more slow, noisy ways of dealing with active abuse - flagging is much quicker and cleaner
 
@Shog9, how's that?
 
closed questions hang around
 
9:54 AM
@AndyE'shead AFAIK they've already got quite a lot of systems in place. I think the thing where we're the most vulnerable is duplicate questions - they could flood the site with them faster than we can react (they already do :))
 
@Benjol: yeah, that would be insidious
 
The most radical defence would be no new users on the 12th :)
In any case, on the positive side, if they do attempt something it will be a learning experience and will end up making SO defences stronger (says he from a safe distance)
 
/ SO users more paranoid and untrusting of new users
 
@benjol now that would be a bit extreme. Besides, they'd just plan for a different date.
 
Yeah, I did say it was radical :)
I imagine this will help to:
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Q: Can we prevent some of the low-quality questions from entering our system?

Jeff AtwoodStack Overflow has been wildly successful. And maybe in some ways too successful. I am concerned that Stack Overflow is being inundated by a stream of low-quality questions from users who are accidentally poisoning our well -- by turning off and turning away the core answerers who do all the rea...

[topic change] anyone see this? thefirstpost.co.uk/…
 
10:33 AM
So, um, hey all!
 
Hello, @BoltClock
 
I'm wondering what I should do with this question I asked almost 2 months ago
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Q: iPhone SDK: stuck with Leopard and SDK 3.1.3; need advice about how to move on

BoltClockWhile this question does not involve any code, it does involve problems stemming from the fact that I don't own a Mac, and the impact that has on apps I'm working on where I do have access to a Mac. It's also a long read, so please bear with me. iOS 4 and iPhone SDK 4 have been released; with th...

(It's a long read - basically I was ranting about how I couldn't have a Mac and I couldn't access any other Snow Leopard Macs, so I couldn't try iPhone SDK 4)
Except right now it's no longer relevant because I will in fact get a Mac this week
Should I self-answer it, or accept jamone's answer, or delete the question?
(I also just voted to close it as not a real question based on jamone's response.)
 
hi all; don't mind me... I'm just going to test something (you'll need hard-F5 to see it, but it won't hurt you if you haven't updated)
 
(that's also me, btw)
 
I think probably accepting his answer would be the best approach. You're taking his advice after all, by "[getting] a Mac of your own". You're not likely to gain enough close votes on a 2 month old question.
 
10:42 AM
@MarcGravell: what's that?
 
This room has been placed in timeout, ending in 40 seconds
I can hopefully hush y'all up for a while...
while I explain how naughty you all are
 
@theblueunicorn I don't see it
 
did you hard-F5?
 
I don't want to be in timeout!
 
@Marc: i wrote that while I was silenced
 
10:43 AM
No, I did not hard-F5.
 
I got a nice message informing me that the room was in timeout.
 
I think you should just have the message say "SILENCE!"
 
@AndyE'shead - did you get a failed delivery?
 
@MarcGravell: Yes, but I saw HTML in the message. Something like <span class="timeout">30 seconds</span>
 
oh right; that means I've used the wrong method... I'll fix that
 
10:44 AM
@Andy - have you refreshed? If not, can you not refresh for a second?
while I fix that...
 
Sure, I can not refresh. I'm pretty good at that, actually :)
phew, this is hard work. I've not refreshed for ages now, and I'm just dying to hit F5.
 
This room has been placed in timeout, ending in 1 minute
server update deployed
@Andy - can you try again?
now, you can't tell me whether it has worked...
but you're pretty on-the-ball, so I imagine you're sat there thinking "let me tell you"
Timeout cleared
 
Works for me
 
woohoo
 
Timeouts?!
What is that for?
 
10:48 AM
(so he can tell us how naughty we are)
 
To shut us up, no less :P
 
Very short lived; to break an off-topic discussion, while we suggest alternative rooms on the site, etc
 
ah, to play God... I see.
 
@MarcGravell: 1 issue. If you click to hide the notification and then move your mouse away, it comes back.
 
Damn oppression on chat.meta.stackoverflow.com
 
10:49 AM
@Andy - yes - it is fairly persistent.
maybe I shouldn't offer the option to hide it
 
@Andy, Marc has it anything to do with the timer?
 
@MarcGravell: I think that would be better.
 
The unicorns demand their freedom of expression!
 
@BoltClock which timer?
 
Rats, I was away and missed it, so that's number 1 from Jeff's list, IIRC?
 
10:50 AM
@MarcGravell the first time you timed us out for 40 seconds, it counted down.
 
well, better controls generally for user-management are high on the list
timeout is just the simplest thing; we have more tricks in the plan
 
Probably some code in there insisted the notification be displays every time the timer updated. Anyway I think it makes more sense to always keep the notification there.
 
I still think "SILENCE!" would make a better message
 
@Marc, can you force a refresh on everybody for when you roll out new stuff?
 
@AndyE'shead btw, I accepted jamone's answer to my question. Thanks.
 
10:52 AM
That'd be cool.
 
@BoltClock: no problem :)
 
I was thinking about that earlier. I can't do that without a change (which seems likely to happen), but I can do this...
 
What is that?
 
He kicked me!
 
just me giving Sam a good kicking
 
10:53 AM
Just like the time I demanded IE5 support.
 
You really did come down the interwebs and press F5 on my computer! :)
 
@Sam don't make me do it again!
 
@MarcGravell: I wondered if you might have "system control messages" of some sort. The server returns a message like "reload" and all the clients reload (once).
 
How are you going to roll out a refresh feature if nobody refreshes the page?
 
Interesting how all this chat feedback is going on in not the chat feedback room.
 
10:55 AM
actually, the client already does have that feature ;p
What I don't have is a global "refresh everyone" button to toggle it
 
@andy yeah, might have to timeout this room :)
 
@balpha: no... not again, I can't stand the silence!
 
I'll ban myself ;(
 
@marcgravell Why not? :p
 
Did you just kick Blue? :P
 
10:57 AM
No. I am Blue. He's my pet low-rep account.
 
You can't kick a unicorn, it's against the law I think.
 
Hi all
 
sock puppet!
 
@AndyE'shead true that.
 
System testing. It doesn't matter a fig if it works for me but doesn't work for you peons... er, I mean users.
 
10:57 AM
@andyeshead Not sure it's possible for a discussion to be offtopic in here :)
 
It could be better on topic somewhere else though?
 
@Benjol: sure it is. This room's for general chat, therefore discussing anything specific is off topic :p
 
In that case, you are again being very specific in forcing people to only discuss generic things.
 
General chat, as in the military rank.
Jeff is kinda like the General isn't he?
 
What would Jon Skeet be?
 
11:02 AM
A soldier with a damn fine kill count.
 
Why is it that the first thing that comes to my mind is Jon dominating me on TF2?
(if he even plays)
 
I thought you were implying you played with him.
I was shocked he'd leave his post, dominating SO for a game.
 
No way.
 
status-checking-if-the-status-thing-still-works
 
status-yes-it-does
This status thing humors me.
 
11:07 AM
status-intrigued
 
I don't hang around on meta - is it a meme?
 
Just the special tags that are used on meta questions.
like.. [status-complete]
etc.
 
It's a meme now. Jeff referred to it as chat.meta.stackoverflow.com's "easter egg".
 
In an effort to stay on-topic of being off-topic
Just got a note from Apple that my MacBook has indeed shipped.
Still in disbelief I actually took my rant to about my Mac woes to SO :/
 
@Marc, .jpg extensions with a query string don't get converted to images?
 
11:16 AM
to be converted to an image, a link (i.e. the whole line) must either a) end with .jpe?g, .png, .gif, or .bmp, or b) begin with an exclamation mark "!"
 
A holiday is a day designated as having special significance for which individuals, a government, or a religious group have deemed that observation is warranted. Examples of types of holidays include: * Official (more common) or unofficial observances of religious, national, or cultural significance, often accompanied by celebrations or festivities. * A general leave of absence or vacation from a regular occupation for rest or recreation A holiday can also refer to a specific trip or journey for the purposes of recreation or tourism. People often take a vacation during specific holi...
(for @balpha's benefit; he seems to have misunderstood the term)
 
@balpha, ah that works.
 
hey, I'm working on using the API for Not A Real Question -- that's not work :) @MarcGravell
 
@Sam152: nice fridge
 
11:23 AM
ta
 
@balpha: did NARQ use the dumps before?
 
I'm pretty sure he scraped 300 questions a second, at random.
 
@AndyE'shead yeah, it's still running from the april dump
 
I find it funny it's called a dump.
Jeff takes a dump and uploads it to the internet.
 
12:27 PM
ok folks; I'm heading off...
 
Bye Marc!
 
try to be nice - I'll leave the "timeout" button primed
;p
 
Not a problem ;)
 
bye @MarcGravell
 
what's all this about timeout?
 
12:38 PM
@devinb: Mods can silence everyone in a room for a number of seconds
your chat box disappears and you get a notification.
Only mods can talk during the timeout. It's basically a way of making everyone "shut up and listen, for a sec".
 
Bahahaha! I need to get me some of that.
 
@devinb: Ask Jeff if you can be a mod, I'll vote for you (maybe).
 
I can sweeten the deal for you.
I'll campaign on a platform of rampant corruption, ham-fisted arbitrary moderation, and wild abuses of power.
Also, a tremendous arrogance.
 
mmmm ham fists
 
12:54 PM
yeah, I'd definitely vote for that.
 
1:12 PM
Not your school-yard "I'm better than you" arrogance. I'm talking "Grovel before your new God!" arrogance.
I'll ban the next person who uses the letters "r" and "n" in sequence.
 
1:24 PM
@devinb, there are no unicoRNs on your profile, you have no chance of being elected :)
 
Once I become a moderator, you will suffer for your transgressions.
@Benjol, I am not worthy yet to have a such a magnificent creature grace my profile.
 
[aside] anyone noticed that the new hover-function box, and how it interacts with edited posts? [/aside]
 
No.
 
@Ikke, well if you've Ctrl-F5'd recently, if you mouse over someone else's post you should see a tiny toolbox appear on the right. With star/flag/reply icons.
If you mouseover a post that's been edited, it looks like you can re-edit it...
(@Benjol: That should be in chat feedback really)
 
2:07 PM
@benjol Ah, just came here, so never knew it was a new feature :P
 
2:32 PM
@devinb: if you have the time, I have a feature request for you to provide some constructive criticism for :p
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Q: Sort questions in user profile by "Unaccepted"

Andy E's headI think this would go a long way towards encouraging question acceptance, especially if it were the default sorting method. Take this user, for instance. He has (at the time of writing) a 54% acceptance rate - 73 out of 135 of his questions have an accepted answer. How can he improve this ac...

ha, a downvote and a close vote already. Somebody didn't read the 2 questions properly :p
 
I gave you an upvote, it's a good idea (as long as I can change my default sort order).
 
@LanceRoberts: yeah, I agree - AFAIK, SO remembers your last sort order anyway.
 
Hmm... I voted to close as duplicate. Didn't downvote though, I like the idea.
i'm still going to tear it to shreds though.
 
I expect nothing less :p
 
You understand, I have a responsibilty and a reputation to uphold.
 
2:41 PM
indeed
I don't think it's a duplicate of the other question, which asks for "unanswered" questions to be brought to the top, not "unaccepted".
 
AH!
 
@devinb ?
 
Anyway, I'm nearly finished my response. If you have time I'd love it if you could create a quick screen cap of my proposed sol'n
shouldn't take more than 20 seconds for anyone who knows what they're doing.
 
yeah sure
 
cool, done.
I can't properly vote this up or down, because I like your idea, but I don't feel it should be implemented.
But I have to get back to work.
 
2:54 PM
ok, thanks for your input
 
 
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4:33 PM
eh, @waffles: is there any way to find out if you voted for/against a tag synonym?
 
4:43 PM
@Shog doesn't it show up in the UI?
 

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