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12:00 AM
Maybe dancing.
 
If nothing else, it's something to do on the side to keep you sane when times get tough.
 
I'm 20 now.
DJ and Music Production is probably still fine around 30.
But I'm thinking about taking dancing lessons these days as I will probably get too old to do it later...
 
I would mainly be interested in doing it as a hobby. "Look what I can do" type of thing. :)
 
But well, again, study first... :-)
Yeah
Dancing would be good for my physical health.
The problem with most of my current "Look what I can do" type of things is that they are all geeky.
Music Production and DJ would also fall under that...
But dancing would not.
 
Yah, but music production doesn't necessarily need explaining. It's more like "here, listen to this."
 
12:03 AM
True
 
Much harder to do that with say programming or networking.
If you code a game or something visual, that's easy to show to someone without their eyes glazing over.
 
That's another thing I dream of doing...
 
Otherwise, "I coded a message queue for my toaster" just doesn't get many people excited.
 
:D
Side note: It prints messages on my toasts.
 
A word of warning about the gaming industry: Make sure you're passionate about it.
 
12:05 AM
Fortune Cookies 2.0
 
Hmm
All my "Look what I can do" things really end up being geeky, I should change that somehow... :D
Playing fast Tetris and solving the Rubik Cube also fall under that...
I'll just put that in the "Sometimes" part of my todo list and move on... :-(
 
@TomWij LOL Music and dancing are certainly good ways to add some non-geeky things to your repertoire.
Can you play any instruments?
 
Producing music seems hard to me, it would take me a lot of effort to take good at I think.
Electric Guitar
But I'm not good at that either, I should play a lot more on it.
Fender Squier Stratocaster Limited Edition
 
Are you familiar with the 10k hour rule?
 
12:14 AM
is that like the rule that it takes 10 years to master something?
 
Got it in a store that were clearing there collection as they went broke for a better price, it has a scratch on it though but it isn't that visible.
 
@fara Yup, pretty much.
 
@GeorgeMarian: Nope, not aware of that, how does it go?
Sounds like a lot of years... :-(
 
The basic take away, there is no such thing as "talent" only predisposition and passion. I.e. it takes a lot of hard work to get really, really good at something.
 
True
 
12:16 AM
there is a famous quote from a golfer. a fan told him he was lucky to have such skill. he said "yeah, i've only been lucky 8 hours a day for the last 10 years"... or something like that :)
 
So, in other words, don't get discouraged because you're not very good at the guitar. Keep at it and you'll improve. You may never be good enough to be a professional musician, but if you have the interest and some skill, you can get good enough to do something useful with it. Even if that's just jamming with some friends occasionally.
 
Mumbles something about exceptional cases... A 6 year old kid playing music on a piano in the white house... But well, those cases are rare...
 
@tomwij Even in those cases, that kid does nothing else but play piano. I bet.
 
Probably. :-)
 
i.e. he practices a lot.
 
12:18 AM
It takes 10 years of continued practice to master something.
So in a couple of years you might get to proficiently amateur
 
Thanks for the tips.
 
Oh, Fara had already said so, I'm sorry
 
@JohntheSeagull i don't mind being confirmed right :)
 
But I'll have to finish my studies first as it's my main focus, I can do some other things in the mean time but can't spent all my time on those other things.
 
@tomwij If you don't have the interest to master the guitar, there is no point attempting to dedicate that much time. Just use it for motivation to continue doing a little bit as often as you can.
I wish I had known of this idea when I was in college and started playing the guitar. I wouldn't have been as discouraged by my best friend's abilities, who certainly put a lot of time into it.
 
12:23 AM
I have bought it in my younger years, I indeed don't have the interest to really master it but rather to make music with it and with other instruments.
 
The crucial thing is the amount of work needed to progress. You might work just enough to occupy yourself without really advancing. Whereas if you'd have stuck just a tiny bit longer you'd have improved. It's a fine line
 
I would love to buy a good synthesizer/midi keyboard if I had the money for it, but then ... Would it be lost money?
 
@TomWij Piano is a good instrument for general music training. (Or, some keyboarded instrument, say an organ.)
 
Piano sheets are hard to read :)
Too many notes at the same time
 
Yeah, I discovered that already... :-)
 
12:25 AM
I can't even imagine reading guitar music w/o tablature.
 
Well, there is a reason for that I think.
One should learn how to play a piece out of his mind note per note.
 
And, I took organ lessons as a child.
 
i can't read music either, but i play guitar, piano and drums. i'm not sure if not being able to read music is bad or not.
 
Knowing how to read music is an important skill for any musician. It's actually easier for piano than guitar, despite all of those notes. :)
 
After these years of having played on the piano, I discover that I actually never learn to play something out of my mind and I'm always grabbing back to the tablature and forgetting what the next notes are.
 
12:27 AM
i guess it would be like being a programmer and not knowing C
 
@fara It's not necessarily essential, but it can be very useful.
 
I think I would be better at playing some piece of music if I know the notes and know what I'll have to play next.
 
@fara That's a good way to put it.
 
It would be great to pick the guitar and play music without having to open the tablature again to it.
 
@TomWij Consider taking a music theory class. Nothing too crazy, just one semester or two fo the basic classes.
 
12:29 AM
George: I know the basic of music theory to some extent, and have found sites that explain it into high detail.
The problem is that I go back to guitar tablatures with numbers as they are easier to find and easier to read.
It would be perfectly valid for a piano though, but till today I still have not bought (an electronic) one.
 
Yah, it's a lot of work to learn to read music for the guitar. For one thing, it's much easier to modify the tuning on a guitar. Where as, you don't do a "dropped D" tuning on a piano.
I would like to know how to read guitar music for the understanding. I.e. I don't really know where the notes are on the fretboard.
 
I only know some of them
But you just have to look for a mapping somewhere
It's pretty logic
It's the same way as with a piano.
 
i actually do know where the notes are on the guitar, but i have been playing for almost 20 years now
but i think i stopped improving about 15 years ago :p
 
non-sharp, sharp, non-sharp, sharp, ...
and then there are those notes that don't have a sharp in between, it's the same on the guitar
Shoot me if I'm wrong.
 
@tomwij Right, but I'd like to not have to think about it. I.e. just "know" where there supposed to be. Especially for alternate tunings.
@tomwij Yah, the scales are the same, regardless of the instrument. (For the same musical system.)
 
12:38 AM
E 0, 1, 3; A 0, 2, 3; D 0, 2, 3; G 0, 2; B 0, 1, 3; E 0, 1, 3
 
I have a hard time understanding all those scales, minor, major, C, C#, etc.
 
If I'm not wrong these are the frets on each snare to hit in order to go up in notes
 
@johntheseagull Yah, I have to put some serious work into that. The music theory class I took in college was helpful, but I had to prioritize that lower than my other classes. I had an A in the class, until about 2/3 into the semester.
 
John the Seagull: That's where music theory helps. The note indicates where to start (at C or C#) and the minor and major determine how to count further (like note note, sharp, note, sharp or something like that)
so, the example would be
C D E E# F# G (it can be one of those sharps don't exist in music, but well, it's an example)
C --note--> D --note--> E --sharp--> E# --etc...-->
That's how I learned what scales are
Another thing I learned was that major sounds optimistic (happy music) while minor sounds pessimistic (drama music) or something like that.
Uh well, I'm gonna stop explaining as I might start giving wrong information... :D
 
12:44 AM
@GeorgeMarian: But anyway, I'll stick with singing and playing the guitar. The next step would probably be to buy an electric piano or else taking dancing lessons. I'll see what my mind and the time brings me...
Oh...
 
@TomWij I'm determined to finally take my guitar out of the shipping box after this last move.
 
Shameless Area51 advertisement:
http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/6320/guitars
http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/16062/dancing
http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/16069/singing

Seems I should make proposals for music production and piano too... :P
 
And, to work up to the point where I can justify something better than a Fender Squire. :)
@tomwij Interesting, I wonder if separate sites for musical instruments is a good idea though.
 
Yeah, else they could merge it somehow.
A site for musicians or something.
I could post it as a question on the Guitars meta maybe...
Tom Dice has given away his guitar he used at Eurovision, I wish I went to the activity he did that as there was a high chance on winning it... It was custom made.
 
That would've been cool.
 
12:49 AM
He landed second place on a local television show, never suspected him to show up at the Eurovision Song Festival.
 
i actually remember him, he was alright. well, alright for eurovision. :)
 
there is a musicians proposal already, in factg there were two last time i checked
one had more traction than the other
I commited to one
 
Ah, haven't seen those.
But well, I don't explicitly want to meet male artists, female artists/actors are another story... :)
I've seen Milow at a free benefit concert, he went a bit international with Ayo Technology.
And then some local artists, but that's it.
Also some male actors when I played in a movie (just dancing in a discotheque, no important role) but all-by-all nothing special.
It's really a strange feeling, you feel love towards some female artist but you know you'll never get to meet her.
Would the 10 years rule work here? :-P
 
@tomwij LOL
 
yes if you practice on her for 10 years she might give in :D
 
12:58 AM
Stalking a famous person for 10 years would be a bad idea though...
 
Well, the groundhog day is the ten years rule applied to women, sort of :P
 
Opening sentence: In 10 years from now, you will really love me for what I have done.
 
just grab her by the ears and kiss her to the ground
 
I really have the urge to say that to some random girl somewhere to see the reaction... :P
 
worked for me
 
1:01 AM
Be sure to call your lawyer before
just in case
And your doctor, if she knows aikido
 
What about the security? :-(
brb drink
And maybe I should decide to go sleep... It's 3:04 AM.
 
I agree with Europe based tom, it's late
 
pfff sleep is for the weak
 
Well, I'm gonna go lay down and finish watching the Aqua Teen Hunger Force movie; before finally getting motivated to do some packing.
mutters something about how much moving sucks
 
Then stay put
 
1:07 AM
Well, I have an illness that prevents me from easily catching my sleep.
 
@TomWij Sleep apnea or insomnia? ;)
 
I suffer from Tinnitus, it's a high pitch in my ear.
 
So if sleep is for the weak and insomnia for the ill, what's left for healthy, sane people?
 
@johntheseagull Yah, but it's gonna suck even more if I leave it all for the last minute.
 
This is the first time I say that in public.
 
1:09 AM
My wife has tinnitus as well
 
Parents and doctor know, brother and sister don't.
 
@johntheseagull BAAAAAACON!
 
@tomwij Oh, yah. I have a little bit of ringing in my ears. Never had it diagnosed and I don't notice it most of the times.
 
Well
In my case
 
@shog9 Bacon! Bacon! Bacon!
 
1:10 AM
Tinnitus makes it harder to get to sleep
 
@GeorgeMarian be sure to clean it up before moving if your landlord is a pig. I moved recently and found grease even in the bathroom
 
So Tinnitus develops DSPS (Delayed Sleep Phase Schedule)
 
@shog - are you talking about bacon in two rooms at once?
 
@Shog9: Tomatoooooooooooo
 
That was supposed to be my impression of the dog from the Beggin' Strips commercial.
 
1:10 AM
This causes me to have other illneses during the day.
Sometimes tired, sometimes sick, sometimes depressed, ...
 
@jonb I'm talking about bacon in one room, and answering a question in another
 
bah, just get drunk/Stoned so you can't even hear the damn ringing :)
 
(the answer just happens to be BACON)
 
Sometimes I can't stand sound, that Hyperacusis.
 
@johntheseagull /care if it's ringing
 
1:11 AM
@johntheseagull Ewwww...my biggest concern is the cat's staining the carpet. I say as one of the cats is about to let out a furball.
 
And the depression and stress and sound just cause the tinnitus again.
It's like a circle.
 
Probably more like an ellipsoid
 
Yeah
Vicious Circle/Ellipsoid
Tinnitus --> DSPS --> Tired/Ill/Depressed/Hyperacusis/... --> Tinnitus
The doctor told me
 
but still, you have to cut it somewhere, there is some medicin to augment blood circulation in the brain that supposedly can help in some tinnitus cases
 
@tomwij Yah, lack of sleep can cause lots of other issues. I was worried I might have Diabetes due to my lack of energy. It's likely just long term lack of sleep.
 
1:12 AM
Tinnitus is because of a nerve in your ear
That gets too hyper active and the best way to decrease it is to relax
Get less stress, do exercises, etc...
He also suggested to put up a low volume music or white noise during sleep, but that doesn't help to me... :-(
 
have to tried the other noises? pink/brown?
 
John: I want to stay clear of operations and medicines unless they are proven to help with a high chance and without other severe consequences.
 
@Shog9: WAFFLES WITH BACON CHUNKS
 
@TomWij I don't know if it's appropriate for you, or if it even really works, but have you heard of Quietus?
 
John: I could try pink noise. I don't want to try brown noise though...
 
1:15 AM
bacon ROUX!
 
@johntheseagull I thought the "brown" note was something else altogether...
 
Look for the Mythbusters thing on brown noise... :P
@JohntheSeagull: I know that site.
I have made two 30 minutes mp3s of white and pink noise.
I put that on repeat on my cell phone speaker when I go to sleep at the lowest volume possible.
 
Ironically, my ears are ringing right now. =/
 
@everybody noise != nose
 
1:17 AM
lol
 
:D
 
bacon chip cookies
 
bacon fudge!
Or, rather, fudge with bacon in it.
 
isn't 'bacon fudge' a euphemism?
 
@GeorgeMarian: It acts as a Insomnia, yes. But DSPS best describes the effect of staying awake.
@JohntheSeagull: Your wife has this, do you have any tips for me?
 
1:19 AM
It seems she has a milder variant than you. She complains a bit but can sleep soundly.
In fact she is doing that right now
 
@fara LOL. No, I'm taking about actual fudge with bacon in it. A coworker brought some into work once that she made herself. (I know that's gonna sound bad...) And, another brought some commercial stuff.
 
@fara - I think you mean "baking brownies"
 
@JohntheSeagull: I wish there was a single cure that helps, but there seem there isn't as far as I know. I either have to live with it or try different cures... :-(
 
@jonb "special" brownies? aka "adult" brownies?
 
What's up with the bacon thing?!?! xD
 
1:21 AM
I think it comes from Bacon the philosopher
 
@tomwij Some of my symptoms seem related to sinus issues. (I.e. probably the pressure on the nerve. Would that make sense?)
@jonb OIC
 
@GeorgeMarian: Yeah, the doctor talked about the activity/pressure of the nerve in the ear.
There was one day
I felt asleep instantly in the couch (before the evening) when I was sitting behind my laptop.
 
@tomwij At band camp?
 
I felt a pressure on my sinuses all over the front of my face when I woke up.
Band camp?
 
1:23 AM
darn, not quick enough i isn't
@tomwij It's a movie reference. The American Pie series, I forget which one it's from.
 
so long as george doesn't play flute we're alright
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:D
 
lol
No, no skin flute for me. But I do play the bongos.
 
I feel this pressure in the front of my face building up over the days, it's weird.
It's an indicative that I need rest.
 
And, we can't forget about the slide trombone. (Sorry, couldn't help myself.)
@tomwij Yah, I got something like that when I was really lacking sleep. Including developing a slight tick in one eye lid.
 
1:26 AM
The doctor said I should listen to my body and sleep when I get to feel tired, but the problem is that I'm tired before the evening and that would be such wrong time to go to sleep...
If I get past that time, I get back my energy.
 
@tomwij Fixing long term lack of sleep is a bitch.
 
Yeah...
 
It takes a long time and lots of discipline.
I'm finally close to getting back on a regular/normal sleep cycle, after 2 years.
I tend to burn the candle at both ends
 
The time I am supposed to go to sleep as a normal human is the time I have the most energy, it's just weird.
 
Ok, faking actions using italics doesn't work so well when you have a chunk of text above it.
 
1:29 AM
If I listen to my body it's too early to go to sleep as I'm in a social situation (eating... not home...)
 
@tomwij I'm a night owl as well. I'm most productive later in the day/evening.
 
So this only rests me to wait for the next moment to go to sleep, which would be now...
But I don't want to leave this amazing chat. :D
Yeah, this got me to be a night owl too.
 
We should have OPs and kick @TomWij
 
:D
Really
I have been on SE sites too much today.
Started at 1 PM
it's now 3 AM
 
More like 4 AM
 
1:30 AM
>_<
3:30 AM :P
 
Yah, go to bed! Now!
 
Well, I have spent some time on eating and walking with the dog, but I spent too much on the sites today as it didn't get me bored for once. This chat doesn't either... :P
 
I'm gonna go lay down and watch the rest of this movie, like i've been threatening to do for a while now. lol
 
Yeah, sounds familiar... I'm going to do that now... 30 minutes later I've said this before, but I'm going to do that now...
 
Yup, I do that all the time.
And with that, I'll wish you a good night. Get some sleep.
 
1:33 AM
i promise not to say anything interesting while you're asleep
night :)
 
Stop saying that... :P
 
ah damn, i can't think of anything to say that's not interesting...
 
Well, now that we're talking about sleeping, let's talk about dreaming...
I got an Inception-a-like question circling in my head:
What if you plan to go to sleep in your dream, and you keep doing that so you will dream deeper... What would happen? Would you still wake up? xD
Well, it would be stupid to dream about going to sleep... But still, it's funny to try I think.
Okay, I'll be a good boy and slowly work myself towards bed too so I'm there before 4 AM... Night. :-)
 
it wouldn't make any difference, it would still just be the same dream
yeah night, i'm going to head off too :)
 
Maybe
If I do something in each dream, I might just be producing a call stack in my mind. :P
See ya... It was a nice chat. :-)
@Fara: Feel free to say interesting things, there is a transcript... ^^
 
 
4 hours later…
5:42 AM
Wow, why did that davit guy get suspended?
 
@BoltClock, where's that? I missed something...
 
Is it the new bad-question-limiting function?
 
No idea.
 
5:45 AM
I didn't think that suspended you, just prevented you from asking more questions...
 
Woops Firefox just crashed :S
 
btw, why does he show up with only 1 rep?
 
Suspended accounts have their rep reduced to 1, and recalculated after it's lifted.
 
ah, ok
did you like have that link ready in case someone asked? ;)
 
It's amazing how people can hit 1k rep with such bad questions, just for having a crapton of them.
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5:55 AM
yah
 
@BoltClock, check out some of his recent/closed questions - the older ones which are half-way readable have been heavily edited (by someone else). I guess he's just taking too much energy from the community.
 
@benjol I saw those.
 
@GeorgeMarian, the link to the blog post is in the notification bar about suspension...
 
5:57 AM
Ah, so that's what the underlined text is all about? ;)
 
i'm guessing the 4 closed questions in the space of an hour probably tripped someone's alarm bells :)
Jeff mentioned a potential thread from 4chan members yesterday (chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/chats/message/72181), all quiet on the western front?
 
@benjol I was about to bring that up. Personally I think we'll hold up...
Seems I've cast over 1k votes now - really wish I could see how many were on questions, and how many on answers. Useful for that Electorate badge.
 
6:12 AM
yeah, I reckon you'd have to be pretty up-to-date with how SO works to really cause harm
and even then... as I said yesterday, the thing SO is most vulnerable to is duplicate questions.
 
How do I respond to <50-rep accounts who leave comments as answers?
 
dunno, tell them to shut up and wait? :)
Question: what do you think of my comment here?
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I was going to edit, then I thought, 'no, better to educate'
 
See my comment.
 
Ahem, an abrupt quick question: Where should I post bugs about a StackExchange site to?
 
Seriously ;)
Wait, on second thought...
 
6:22 AM
So, the individual meta exchange site or the generic meta exchange site? :)
 
OK I misread your question :P
 
@boltclock @BoltClock, ok, you can delete your comment, I've edited mine :)
Apparently my comment isn't true anyway, he's already got 3 answers :(
 
Heh...the SO effect ;)
 
@AdhipGupta, the generic one, I'd say. But if it's a SE2 site, post it to meta.stackoverflow.com
 
Cool, thanks.
 
6:26 AM
meta.stackexchange.com is for SE1.0 sites
Is it just me - the styling on the StackExchange link in the header bar on SO seems to be mildly random - sometimes works, sometimes doesn't?
@BoltClock, do you think it's off limits to edit out the "Hi all", and "Thanks" from newbie questions?
 
@benjol I don't know about 'off-limits' but generally I leave them alone. That said, it does get on my nerves.
 
Well, while I'm capitalising the i's...
 
I should probably capitalize the P in WordPress too, and annotate all those edits with 'capital P, dangit'
 
I think I'm not a style nazi. I tend to try and edit questions to make them more "answerable"
i.e. questions with totally useless titles, or too much 'noise' (hi,thanks), unformatted code. Some typos. And the lower case i which hurts my eyes :)
 
I know of a user who says 'Hi all, I use cakePHP 1.26' in all of his CakePHP questions.
 
6:39 AM
For me, that requires education... comments first, sticks later
Crap starting, or just a normal day?
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CiryusHi, I'm an frontend developer, and as such I end up doing some amount of Javascript. I have an interest in the language, so I follow a number of blogs, hang out in forums, etc.. I have noticed a person going by the name of David Mark, going around places throwing shit at everybody's favorite li...

 
Uh oh.
 
oh, fun
 
(the second one didn't work because it's already closed, I think. Fly-swatters are out in force too :))
 
yah, i noticed the title of the question though
 
@benjol how long ago was this?
 
6:51 AM
A few minutes, I think, I cast the closing vote. Both questions cited were 1-rep new-today users
 
@benjol That hair straightener spammer has been here before - the first offense was last week or 2.
This is the third offense that I know of.
 
New users each time?
 
@benjol I dunno.
 
@BoltClock, you do know that you can reply just with @Name if it's the most recent post? (just asking)
 
@Benjol: I do, but this is sorta becoming like twitter.com in that I almost always use the reply link now :/
 
6:56 AM
@BoltClock, mildly ironic that my use of @Name killed the implicit reply in my previous post :) (and this one too)
 
Heh.
 
7:08 AM
@boltclock heh.
 
hi @JohntheSeagull
the implicit reply is still there when the name is used, we just don't show the arrow. the arrow is supposed to mean "this is a reply to something earlier"
and by "earlier" I mean, something other than the last thing you said.
@adhipgupta you should post bugs about a SE 2.0 site on that site's meta -- if it's a bug on math, post it on meta.math, cooking, post on meta.cooking etc
 
alright, i should go to bed...g'night everyone
 
Good night George.
 
7:24 AM
@JeffAtwood, seen anything suspicious yet?
 
7:37 AM
what do you mean suspicious? like users with gravatars that look like fish and leaves, suspicious?
 
@JeffAtwood you had earlier mentioned someone's comment talking about 4chan's conspiracy against SO or something. He's referring to that.
 
hi @JeffAtchocolate
@JeffAtwood: congrats, this is wave done right :)
 
No, the ocean is wave done right.
 
@boltclock No, the ocean has waves done right
How do we earn rep here for parent sites, now that would be addictive
 
@JohntheSeagull Dammit.
 
7:48 AM
oh yeah, that 4chan thing turned out to be nothing, I guess
 
That's good to know.
 
@Lasse - you around? or is your machine just left running...
 
did you guys see, the new stackexchange widget we deployed. it's in the upper LEFT corner of all sites.. but now it does .. stuff when you click on it
 
shiny ;p
 
@marc why so much whitespace above and below images? seems a bit.. absurd
 
7:57 AM
probably the stars. Try posting the same on dev.* - see if is any different
 
whitespace above is stars?
 
Whoa, awesome.
 
Oh, right; probably not. I'll look
css has margin: 10px 0px; for img.user-image - I'll reduce it
 
hey now development talk will be here in the open so we can all be contrary and pester you guys?
yaya
 
when didn't you?
(that is the generic "you", not the specific "you")
 
7:59 AM
when it wasn't in the open
 
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