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12:05 AM
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Q: How about a "Vote not to close" option to counter the "Vote to close"?

BFreeMy request is simple: Many times, there will be a question where some people feel like it should be closed. At the same time, I'll feel like it's a perfectly legit question, and it should therefore NOT be closed. Right now, I have to wait till it gets enough close votes (which it always does for ...

 
Oh, and confirmation of a reopen queue.
 
>:( is not the same as the request
but still something positive
 
 
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3:36 AM
This is some very cool SQL. Actually, that guy's SQL answers have a lot of interesting stuff in them in general.
 
3:55 AM
@ajax333221 As-stated, that request is never, ever, ever going to happen. But in the discussions surrounding its enduring popularity, a legitimate underlying need became apparent - so we're trying to address that without opening the door to chaos.
 
What harm could possibly come from a virtual tug-of-war over a steaming pile of crap?
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The crap might get cold.
 
That would ruin everything.
 
Indeed. It would no longer be steaming. Disappoint.
@mootinator has made me frustratingly aware of how often I type sentence fragments.
 
4:12 AM
@jadarnel27 Ha.
@jadarnel27 SO is powered by the steam from piles of crap captured during the closing process.
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The whole system would fall apart.
 
It's used to fertilize the grain that's grown and harvested to feed the hamsters which run in their wheels, powering the servers.
 
Haha. And now, the one time it's relevant: brown.
And on that incredibly mature note, I think I'll try to go to bed at a decent hour.
 
5:16 AM
does it make sense to create a "link-only-answers" tag at MSO? search shows about 100 questions related to this: meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=%22link+only%22
 
 
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7:54 AM
 
8:42 AM
@mootinator that is so cool, didn't know about that!
 
 
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10:11 AM
To whichever mod sees it first: I guess this won't be apparent to mods because the posts probably got nuked by spam flags, but this user has been spamming for two days now here on MSO. Perhaps time to nuke the account as well?
 
11:04 AM
@gnat Hi :)
 
11:16 AM
:P
 
 
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1:14 PM
Good morening all
@jadarnel27 I never knew you can use the SE data explorer as a test for regular db queries... whoa.
 
1:37 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA You can, but it's not exactly designed for that. Using something like SQLFiddle probably makes more sense.
 
2:04 PM
does anybody know if a 10k user can delete comments on their own question? e.g by flagging or some other method?
 
Only through the normal means available to any other user.
You can flag and hope others do the same.
 
would they be able to approve a flag request themselves if it's on their own question
also can they vote to re-open their own question if it's been closed?
 
@Merlin Anyone with the 3k rep can vote to reopen their own closed question.
 
@Merlin 10k users don't approve flags on comments. They simply add their own flag. Once some number (5?) is reached, the comment is deleted by the system. You only get one flag per comment.
 
2:11 PM
thanks guys ... that fills the gap ;)
 
rrrrg.... I wanna yell at @rlemon..... stackoverflow.com/q/11988547/561731
 
@R.MartinhoFernandes The most recent explanation of that formula I've seen is that it takes "3 + (Score / 3)" flags to auto-delete a comment. (source)
 
@amanaP When life gives you rlemons, make rlemonade...
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@Bart haha I really really want to....
@jadarnel27 ahhh I cant click your link! whenever I hover over it, the star comes up and I click that!
 
(I don't mean that in the "go squash him" sense...) <-- phew
 
2:15 PM
arrrg... he is being a pain in the @rse...
 
what? I can't hear you
 
@Bart I am going to need help reopening the question when it inevitably gets closed.... :-\
 
Haven't you gotten your answer though? You have accepted an answer after all. As soon as people feel the need to scream at you in bold it's probably better to not waste your energy on it anyway.
 
I agree with Bart
 
Neal where is the bug? What was the problem? How is this question well formatted with SO guidelines? Are the online docs not good enough? Does SO now need to document ALL JavaScript methods for you and others? No! You need to read the docs and if you have an issue with specific code ask the questions. Not before hand.
so go ahead and yell. you ask TOO MANY of these questions and I finally am taking the responsibility to moderate them because it's pollution to the community I have grown to love
 
2:25 PM
makes popcorn and sits back
 
Don't feel like this is attack on you specifically; look at my comment history - I will be dropping the hammer on all bad questions I see. This is the beauty of a self governing community. :P now i'm going back to work, i've already wasted too much time on this.
 
@Bart Yea I know... but he filed a in the js room and people are voting to close.
@Bart what is the popcorn for?
 
still in the hotdog queue ... damn hotdog queue
 
I usually eat it. Or I make it snow.
 
@Merlin oooo! there are hotdogs?
 
2:28 PM
hey ... no pushing into the hotdog queue ... they're mine ... all mine
 
shit... now I want a hot dog... 10:30... still too early for lunch
 
2:47 PM
@bfavaretto guess he needs a chill pill... — amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A 4 mins ago
...
 
They were all out of Chill Pills so I took the "Common sense" pill this morning and now i'm stuck looking at stupid silly questions.
 
took the red pill
 
Down the rabbit hole you go!
 
Anonymous
3:07 PM
@TimStone > The Stack Exchange Data Explorer, or SEDE [...] can be used as a permanently linkable tool for teaching general SQL and relational database concepts — we can be our own Northwind or Pubs database, when answering questions tagged [sql]! (blog)
 
Anonymous
I haven't actually used it as such, but that's always been one of its roles in my head. Dug up that quote to be sure I didn't just make that up.
 
3:20 PM
Oh hey, a @Pekka. Enjoy California!
 
Is there something like a preferred pastebin-site on SE?
 
For what exactly? Usually code should ideally be included in the question itself...
 
@Bart Log files
 
@OliverSalzburg Not really. But you should consider why you feel the need to use paste bin in the first place, though. Generally, your question should contain all the code you're asking about.
 
gist.github.com oneboxes (which is good and bad)
otherwise I use paste.ubuntu.com better interface than pastebin in my opinion - less noisy
 
3:30 PM
@OliverSalzburg I would try to keep it on the SO/SE as much as possible rather than require users to visit another site.
 
ohh yea. I only use paste services for posting large blocks of code into the chat.
hates code walls
 
@Bart Yeah, that's what I've been doing to far. But sometimes people post 2000 line logs on some shady pastebin site with loads of ads.
That's when I get lost
 
@OliverSalzburg There is a related feature request:
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Q: Offer a Stack Exchange-brand "pastebin"

SeamusFollowing on from this Meta TeX SE question, how about offering an SE-branded pastebin for posting long files? The problem with using things like pastebin is that files get deleted after some time. Since the idea of these sites is to build a repository of questions and answers, it's no good for o...

 
@PopularDemand Thanks. I'll read up
 
@OliverSalzburg seriously, check out paste.ubuntu.com - no ads. good interface. free. no signup
 
3:32 PM
@rlemon Cool. I will. Thanks
 
A request for official clarification didn't get a response:
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Q: Stack Exchange creator's (official?) take on pastebin, fiddles, images, et cetera

JeroenWhat is the "official" take on sharing code/images/etc on SE sites? By "official" I mean I'm looking for any thoughts on this by the creators of the SE engine/software. Note that I appreciate the great answers that have been given by mods and community members to the more specific questions (oft...

Not sure if it was an oversight or they were ignoring it intentionally or what.
 
@jeremybanks Right, right. Demonstrating concepts against the actual schema makes sense, but I just personally feel that if to accomplish what you're after you have to create a pseudo-schema entirely from temporary tables in SEDE, using something like SQLFiddle probably makes more sense.
 
Anonymous
3:46 PM
@TimStone Ah, that's reasonable.
 
@PopularDemand what... is he asking there?
why would there be a single, official take on things as diverse as images, pastebin, and "et cetera"?
Unless what he's actually asking for is an official take on links
 
@Shog9 This is what I thought, because the design of the post editor should make it clear that images and code are welcome when incorporated in question or answer bodies.
But yeah, not a very clearly written question.
 
4:05 PM
Thanks @Pop! My travel route is very undefined as of now - if I head eastward I'll give you a ping. I'm totally clueless what I'm in for over there :)
 
@Pekka Oh. Great. Just let everyone know I live somewhere between UTC+2 and UTC-8, why don't you?
 
4:36 PM
Hrm. I guess you can't do quote formatting as part of a reply message in chat?
Seems like it should behave similarly to oneboxing a comment as a reply.
 
@jadarnel27 huh?
what do you mean "quote formatting as part of a reply message in chat"
@jadarnel27 > like this
ohh wtf, this seriously works on other chats
 
@rlemon Exactly. Sorry, I couldn't think of a better wording than that =)
Oh, really? Interesting.
 
wow. nvm, I swear I have had this working before
it was strange, like I had to post, edit, reply, post.
but now it's not working.
 
Yeah, I just tried a bunch of variations in the sandbox.
Ha. Most of my "variations" look the same. Some of them were adding / removing line breaks.
 
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Q: Chat Easy Input Tools - Provides keyboard shortcuts for common text formatting commands

rlemon About Provides keyboard shortcuts for common text formatting commands, reducing the dependency on mouse usage. Current version does not have a configurable set of hotkeys but later versions will. How to use. All of the following commands are run if the user has focus in the chat input area. ...

I should add 'quote' option
 
4:43 PM
Josh explains, lest he look like a crazy person
 
remove line breaks and prepend the text with >
 
Anonymous
@rlemon > it doesn't work if you use a reply like :1056591 or @rlemon.
 
> There is no try.
 
It was Dumbledore that said that, right?
 
do || !do; Try;
ReferenceError: Try is not defined
 
4:56 PM
@jadarnel27 He looked a bit like Gandalf.
 
var question = bb || !bb;
hrmm, what else.
 
@mootinator Oh, the guy in the picture? No, that was Magneto.
Like, 99% sure.
 
Hey
 
Jon Skeet has 471281 reputation, earned 305 rep today, asked 26 questions, gave 22010 answers, for a q:a ratio of 13:11005. Since June 6th, 2010 Jon Skeet has earned at least 200 rep a day
 
Yep..
 
 
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6:10 PM
@rlemon He gave 22010 answers today!!!
 
Pokémod (I was bored - and they are not all Mods...)
 
@rlemon too bored to make a sphere
 
@Xaade Jon Skeet doesn't obey the laws of time and space. The laws of time and space obey Jon Skeet.
 
@Xaade are you looking in IE or something? sphere? what?
 
I once had a sock puppet. I named it Jon Skeet. It got sentient on me, while I was off my beat. It ran to SO, and began an account. Now it's blown up the rep counter, while Jeff was out.
 
6:20 PM
Plot twist: Now Xaade is Jon Skeet's sock puppet.
 
^ LOL move the 's from Skeet to Jon.
 
@rlemon nasty dude... just wrong.
 
lol, yes yes. sorry. I luled . clearly I am bored.
4 mins ago, by rlemon
Pokémod (I was bored - and they are not all Mods...)
 
@rlemon No, just commenting that it's not a sphere.... more like pokebox.
 
on what browser?
Chrome is fine... nice and round.
 
6:23 PM
firefox
 
I just checked IE8 and it's a square
 
@rlemon sigh, looks best on chrome.
Maybe things will be better in HTML 5....
 
ok well I was lazy and developed this without IE in mind.
scew IE
and the FF thing... yea I just looked I forgot a buncha css stuff for anything but webkit
 
And now I can't not think "casperOne cast Insta-Close. It was SUPER EFFECTIVE."
 
problem when you make fun joke scripts and only test in Chrome
 
6:25 PM
casperOne defeated SLaks in battle and gained his powers.
 
@mmyers The ability to cure constipation?
 
@rlemon Should be FACE PALM!, maybe?
 
Jon Skeet has the mythical "residual income" Amway people dream of.
 
Amway is a cult. Long live Amway.
 
6:41 PM
Shut up and buy my Tupperware.
 
I have all of the petroleum jelly I need. Please sir step away from my doorstep.
For a second, I thought this guy was @Flexo with a new, Pekka-esque username.
 
7:25 PM
You're so meta, you probably think this song is about a song that's about you.
 
Coming back after a while the first thing I read is "I have all of the petroleum jelly I need"...I'm not sure I want to stay.
 
That's what she said.
 
:)
 
Aug 8 at 13:28, by jadarnel27
@Bart Didn't you have a different gravatar before? I keep getting confused and thinking you're Cody Gray.
=)
 
7:34 PM
Plot twist: Bart is secretly Cody Gray and I'm secretly jadarnel27
 
It's quite possible. I've never seen the four of us together.
 
There is a reason Cody Gray does not do chat...
 
HALLO.
 
@Pop I'm so sorry - I forgot I wasn't supposed to let people know you live in Greenland.
I'll be in Nuuk in a fortnight. Fire up the heaters, will ya?
@Evan Bonjour
 
 
7:40 PM
@Pekka Do you want him to melt his house?
 
@mmyers Not that far up, of course
 
@Pekka !
You are no longer welcome. Good day sir!
 
@PopularDemand I thought it was time the community knew
 
Uh... or is that night?
It gets confusing with the time zones. And the northernness.
 
Very good point
 
7:41 PM
They cancel out, right?
 
Aren't the days backwards in Greenland? Like the seasons in Australia?
 
Man, I don't even know anymore.
 
You've clearly been spending too much time up there.
 
Brain freeze is a terrible ailment
 
Do I even actually have Nuuk as my city on one of my SE profiles?
 
7:42 PM
No, because obviously you will have only places on your SE profiles that you don't actually live in.
 
@Pekka So he doesn't live in "Somewhere other than Teresina, Brazil"? That narrows it down considerably.
 
@mmyers well, that one is admittedly an exception.
 
I create a new page on FB.
It is the most awesome page on FB, ever.
 
@mmyers Aren't you some sort of senior mod at SO? How have you not learned to ignore everything on Meta ever, yet?
 
7:46 PM
Someone told me the more LoC and the more complex your code is, the more money you will get paid.... http://paste.ubuntu.com/1151253/ Hello 111 lines
you all missed the fun discussion on LoC being a metric for how much you charge
 
@EvanCarroll haha.
I wouldn't want to have to run against you in mayoral elections.
Are mayors elected for two years only? That sounds like an awfully short time
 
Depending on who's elected, 2 years could feel like a very long time =)
 
Very true
 
@Pekka Who says he's not on her campaign team...
 
8:06 PM
Don't worry, this is certainly not the most pedantic bug report I've ever seen. I think you're fine in reporting this. — jadarnel27 5 mins ago
@TimStone =)
 
Hi, I'm coming from meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126829/… and it says to ask in here for a mod to check for voting fraud. I've been having my answers (8 total so far) with 0 votes being downvoted, and they are all 1-3 minutes apart so I'm suspecting it's the same person. I don't feel like my answers deserve a downvote, but I may be a bit biased heh. Anyways, if a mod could look into, I'd appreciate it. Thank you.
 
Hi, don't worry. Most likely the system will pick that up automatically anyway
(i'm not a mod btw)
 
It started 2 days ago, so its been past 24 hours. I read about that check.
 
Hm, it's weird that that page recommends visiting this room... while there are usually some mods around just by happenstance, it's not an official room of any kind. (I'm not a mod either.)
 
I don't really care about 8 downvotes, but I feel like it's not going to stop.
 
8:09 PM
@Pekka do you like my meme creating abilities?
@Pekka if you follow Houston politics, they're all golden.
 
Ooh, ooh - I am also not a mod!
 
She wouldn't listen to reason, so it's time to create a movement against her.
That page is only 24 hours old too.
 
No@jadarnel27 you're mmyers
 
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/… I especially like the one about Chick-Fil-A
 
Alright, I guess I'll wait to see what happens tomorrow and just email SO
 
8:11 PM
@tigrang Just wait to see if it's automatically reversed by the system overnight. If not, you can flag one of your downvoted posts as well for moderator attention and leave a custom message.
 
@EvanCarroll I heard MEME
 
Mayor Parker is a Lesbian with a real strong following in the GLBT community. That picture was a great find.
 
@Bart Thanks, will do.
 
@EvanCarroll rlemon.github.com/lememe Drag and Drop for easier and more custom meme creations.
 
8:12 PM
@Bart Allegedly >.>
 
ants are randomly coming out from my electric outlets
 
they got into the walls. had that happen in my old townhouse.
 
@ajax333221 You weren't supposed to eat all of the mushrooms.
 
Pff, that went well ....
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Q: LGPL and its restrictions on software development

HosseinI want to start a cross-platform project. I had my researches and now I am almost certain Qt is the right deal. There is a big obstacle here though: licensing. I want to sell my project and I also don't want to give out any source related to my work or pay for a license. I checked and noticed Qt ...

 
Anonymous
=P
 
8:22 PM
they navigate by scent (not really but sort of) so if you wipe down the walls around the sockets and plug the sockets they shouldn't spread on the lookout for food. then you can deal with them in the walls (I had luck with getting a bug bomb thing and punching a few holes inthe wall.. put the bomb in there and taped up the holes.
 
they were invading my desktop by going through the lamp wires
 
that could be cool. get a glass sided case and put an ant farm in it ;) ideas ideas
 
I bet it has something to do with the soda that was spilled 2 weeks ago
we left a McDonalds soda on vacation and the bottom of the bottle disappeared
 
Things like that make me concerned about how much soda I drink.
 
me and my brother buy a 2L almost every day
1 for the two of us
 
8:32 PM
Do you guys care to reopen this question? The OP misunderstood what I meant. It's in decent shape now.
 
TROLOL, QUESTIONS DO NOT MERELY GET REOPENED.
 
@Bart Voted to reopen. Also, I removed my downvote. Didn't realize the situation.
 
Marvel in my gallery madness!
@EvanCarroll I see we missed the link on the meme generator? fast, free, no ads, images are sent to imgur.
(wants people to use his code, even though he makes no money from it, self satisfaction)
 
@rlemon In case you do not know, Evan is a notorious troll.
 
@jadarnel27 be nice.
 
8:45 PM
Arn't we all?
Also, I'm working on "slogans" how do you feel about
 
Evan does a fine enough job with the links he posts, you don't need to help him.
 
LeMeme Troll someone
@jcolebrand the uses for lememe go far beyond memes
I've used it to quickly drag and drop any number of photo's and add text to them (screen shots with captions for this site in fact)
enough pitching my script. :P
 
@jadarnel27 Thanks. It all went rather different than I envisioned :)
 
@jcolebrand Um, huh?
 
@rlemon I'll use it. I'll even consider helping you out with it. I was thinking on getting on board a project like yours.
Then you could have the honor of working with me.
 
8:48 PM
what should I do if a link to a screenshot is broken? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/19479/179635
 
@jadarnel27 I only said be nice. Evan deserves hugs and sunshine too.
 
next version is almost done and will have a real host + ads + optional signup but all will be free and no registrations required. I need the ads because I will be hosting it all myself (gotta try and at least have it pay it's own bills)

However! you can help modify that free project. I would like to see someone elses input. (also i took no regard to making it work in IE)
 
And something about harassing the cops, iirc
 
@jadarnel27 hahahahah that is awesome
I would totally vote for Evan
 
@rlemon Yea, we agree on many issues than. Websites shouldn't work in IE. And, the junta of StackExchange must be overthrown and the power allocated to the people!
 
8:53 PM
I can provide you with many many Javascript trolling scripts.
 
I'm not a troll @balpha is just a disrespectful jerk that serves the establishment. He knows if he gives me grief he'll be more likely to get a raise next time Jeffery decides to throw out some more crumbs.
 
/me one of the resident trolls in the JS room.
 
I don't troll, ever.
 
in my own defence, if you look at my activity history, I troll with the best of intentions :P
sarcasm is a very powerful learning tool if used correctly.
 
@jadarnel27 and this is why you just feed out a bit of rope :1057428
 
8:56 PM
@ajax333221 Try to find a copy of the image somewhere else. If you can't, edit the post and remove the reference to the screenshot.
 
I don't endorse trolling. I just like honest discourse, and I'm frequently on the side of righteousness. In these parts that means I'm often outspoken.
Again: I never troll, ever.
 
> I'm frequently on the side of righeousness.
 
I troll,
After work I go over to the local bridge, hop down underneath and throw rocks at school children.
 
@EvanCarroll used RIGHTEOUSNESS, yet somehow, it was SUPER INEFFECTIVE.
 
LOL
I totally got you thinking Pokemon now don't I
 
9:01 PM
a little.
 
@rlemon Ads in the memes or ads on the generator page?
 
9:17 PM
@mootinator stop trolling
 
I can't help it.
 
heh, best comment on "SO isn't a forum" ever
@ThiefMaster Well, according to the SO "about us" page, SO is a Wiki, Blog, Forum, and Digg/Reddit combined. If we think of SO as a child class of these 4 base classes (with multiple inheritance), and knowing that a child is a parent, we COULD say that SO is a forum :P — Egor 35 secs ago
 
Ha, I would almost like to bounty that comment.
 
9:34 PM
I just realized that the zalgo answer doesn't have its own entry in the Many Memes list.
 
@PopularDemand I thought it did. If you make one, lemme know so I can upvote it
Hey, no fair! My favorite c# evil doesn't work after installing .NET 4.5: `typeof(string).GetField("Empty").SetValue(null, " "); // evil`
 
I didn't even see one in the deleted answers. But I don't care enough to add one myself.
 
@ThiefMaster but really, that question sucked anyways.
@ThiefMaster ads on the generate page (small in the bottom) and on the 'recent / hot meme's' page probably too
i'm still working on how I want the UI to look and function. Trying to add mobile support with just responsive design pattern is a PITA
 
10:09 PM
is it possible to see posts I have U/D voted but that ended up with: case U:negative score, case D:positive score using the database explorer?
I think votes are not accessible because anonymity concerns, but any ideas how can I check this?
 
You're right that SEDE can't help you, and you're right that the reason is to keep voting decisions private. You could trawl through meta.stackoverflow.com/users/179635/… and meta.stackoverflow.com/users/179635/… manually.
 
@PopularDemand thanks, I will do that
 
@ajax333221 What? That's not a secret.
 
but it is a secret posted as an answer that doesn't answer the question correctly o_o
 
Sure it does. If you want to see the most-viewed questions, search for views:100000. Too many results? Try views:200000. Still too many? Try views:99999999999999. Not enough? Go back down to views:5000000. Repeat as needed.
 
10:30 PM
but they are not very sorted
 
@ajax333221 "I'd settle for any suggestion on how to view the "Most Viewed" questions." And sorting them is only a matter of stepping down the search value gradually, heh.
 
@PopularDemand many memes of meta
 
"How should I answer questions where the OP is asking how do do something they shouldn't, like parsing HTML with regular expressions?"
 
10:55 PM
this comment is because of this (more precisely this), should it be incorporated as a meme in here?
 

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