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12:05 AM
We should have a counter somewhere for when somebody demands on Meta that comments must required for downvotes.
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@TimStone around?
 
@LanceRoberts too bad.
 
Hmm?
 
@Pekka, I created a special tag just for those questions, but some mod nuked it.
 
@TimStone I'm thinking of making a cronjob for one of my webapps that checks whether a list of comments would be deleted - what's an acceptable rate?
 
12:06 AM
@LanceRoberts too bad!
 
.1/second?
 
> Days without a feature request for requiring downvotes with comments: [0][4]
It should be like one of those "number of days without an accident" signs in factories.
@Undo @TimStone does not work here, so I imagine his answer to you would only be speculation. Are you, perhaps, looking for a different Tim?
 
@jadarnel27 Tim Stone was the closest thing to a dev I could find. And he mods Stack Apps, so I assume he knows something about this.
 
And he does all the DE and some API stuff.
 
I bet Tim would be interested to learn he does all the API stuff =)
 
12:13 AM
Didn't I say some API?
 
@jadarnel27 I'm going to use this as my response in case I'd otherwise be wrong. :P
 
@hichris123 Huh, I read that wrong. My bad =)
@TimStone Should you go ahead and hire me as your Public Relations rep?
 
Probably. I'll add it to my todo list.
 
Oh no.
 
@TimStone Any speculation*. *may be completly wrong
 
12:23 AM
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Q: What does the fox say?

KitFoxIt is true that as a fox, I should know this, so consider this a spoilers warning. In a recent post, Geek Girl mentions that the mating call of the fox is a series of sharp, eerie barks and that this is called gekkering. This is supported by a citation in Wikipedia, but the reference is not one ...

 
@TRiGisTimothyRichardGreen Why are you replying to a message made a few years ago?
 
@hichris123 I often do.
No, seriously, I read backlog. A lot. Dunno why: it's just something I do.
 
Bored?
 
I never did figure that one out.
 
1:04 AM
That has something to do with tagging old questions and creating tags
 
1:57 AM
0
Q: "Variable may not have been initialized"

Anton KanI've got a method that creates a String and another method that changes Strings void create(){ String s; edit(s); System.out.println(s); } void edit(String str){ str = "hallo"; } My compiler says that it "may not have been initialized". Can someone explain this?

Comment quality > 10 * answer quality
 
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrgggggggggggghhhhhh
Friggin' Monstercat making me spend more money!
This is amazing
 
2:32 AM
Do we really need a tag? I'll remove it if not.
 
wow, how did this answer get an upvote? stackoverflow.com/a/20895425/2682142
 
@LaszloPapp Some people are robots.
 
just doing upvotes for no matter what?
 
3:03 AM
@animuson Why didn't community reject this: meta.stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/23334#./…, since you rolled it back?
 
I have no idea.
 
report time?
 
It's marked as invalidated in the timeline, which I believe would be by-design. At least, I'd hope it works that way.
 
It just says this on the review page, though: "This item is no longer reviewable."
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Q: What can cause "This item is no longer reviewable"?

Shadow WizardUpon random messing around on Stack Overflow I found this suggested edit which says: This item is no longer reviewable What caused this? My own assumptions are: The suggested edit did not get reviews in X hours thus "expired" and is now a zombie. Not likely though, as similar feature req...

 
Yeap, that's what invalidated means. That's exactly the message used on any other queue when a review item becomes invalidated.
 
3:07 AM
Huh. Me wantz mod powers!
Weird that it doesn't auto-reject though, I see no indication that it was approved/denied.
 
Why should it be auto-rejected though? That's not actually what happened. If anything, auto-rejection is the incorrect action.
 
Isn't that what happens, though, on suggested edits where the post is edited by a 2K user?
That Community rejects it?
 
Unfortunately, yes.
And if the post gets deleted, the suggested edit gets completely destroyed with it.
Nothing is exactly consistent with that queue.
 
How do you destroy an edit?
Hey, at least you're the one who has to understand/deal with it.
 
shrugs That's only from observation. I've deleted several posts which had suggested edits on them at the time of deletion.
Trying to access the edit's page after that results in a 404. It completely disappears.
But then again, it doesn't really matter since the post is deleted.
 
3:11 AM
Even as a mod?
True, but weird as I thought most things were soft-deleted.
 
I do say "destroyed" though, because the suggested edit gets removed from the post's timeline upon deletion, as if it literally never existed.
 
Do you get a link to post's timelines on the post as a mod?
 
Which timeline?
:P
 
What do you mean, @Manish?
 
I say that in two meanings; (a) people rarely use/know about the normal timeline (b) there are actually two timelines, the second one has mod goodies
 
3:19 AM
Our special timeline lists all review items that have taken place on the post, as well as flags and some other stuff. ;P
 
It seems like a pain to get to the normal timeline.
@animuson Me wants.
 
4:17 AM
UGH I DIED
er, wrong room
 
I didn't.
But I can't get on Steam chat for some reason.
Which makes me frowny face.
Like this:
:(
"My web page is almost 2.5Mb in size, it loads 20 or 30 images ,Google Map, JCarausel plugins etc" (source) - Holy crap.
Two and a half megabytes is utterly gigantic.
 
Morning....
 
Howdy.
 
Fine.. You say. :)
 
4:30 AM
I refuse to retype the frowny face. But you know how this makes me feel, @ElfSlice.
This is the first time I've ever tried to use Steam's social features!
 
You and everyone else on Stackexchange.
Steam's social features are... well, the chat is nice.
Otherwise they're not really worth bothering with
 
That's good. The chat is the only thing I really wanted to use.
I bought a couple games on there. And now my brother has some games, so I thought it would be fun to be able to talk while we're playing.
 
When you answer a question, who gets notified?
 
Sigh ... I'm going to sure miss my hats tomorrow. My precious! Curse them! They stole it ...
 
I just answered a really old question with no answers, and I almost immediately got a vote, why?
 
4:38 AM
@AaronHall The asker gets notified.
You probably wound up in the late answers queue though.
 
Nah, he's got 1 rep
he's not around
ok, where's that queue?
foo!
 
Oh. Late answers is only for answers from new users.
Nevermind.
Any favorites on the question, @AaronHall?
 
And it will also show up in the active tab
 
Only other thing I can figure is I bragged about it in Python room, but I didn't post a link, and I don't see how someone could get to it that fast.
plus noone had posted there in 3 hours
active tab?
 
It's likely someone saw it get bumped there when you posted an answer.
 
4:45 AM
Cool
that explains it
I'll try for another before bed. :D
I love my hat
they go away this weekend, don't they?
 
I've been curious about that one.
@AaronHall Yep. I think within the next 24 hours.
 
Boo, I got this one because I didn't get a bounty
 
Whenever UTC hits midnight again, I believe.
 
Nice, so about when I get off work. Sigh.
 
@minitech casting the searchlight of justice
This bozo needs an editing timeout:
 
4:52 AM
I go bed
 
@ElfSlice good night!
 
Goodnight everyone. =]
 
@Pëkka Omg that answer... Hahahaha
 
The new year broke my stat thing :(
D :
Y2.014K
 
Did you do something silly in your code?
 
5:02 AM
Probably.
 
Good.
 
@jad I would assume that silly output means silly code, right?
 
I think that means you're a real programmer now.
 
hehe
 
@Undo I don't think that's always true.
Sometimes the actual data is silly =)
 
5:04 AM
(Assume a non-silly input :P)
I could just call it a feature, say it marks the beginning of a new year...
 
@Undo Here's how to fix it: take out that data point from your results.
 
I think that would bork it more.
maybe I should just add a group by year in my SQL select :P
 
Isn't that what fixing something means?
Okay, am I going crazy with this:
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A: Sending email based on dropdow menu selection

hichris123If it's going to the spam folder, it's because your email looks like spam. No coding can get around that. Either add your email address as a contact or change the text of your message.

 
@Undo That logic always reminds me of this image.
(get it? They dressed up the bug, and called it a feature. Do you see what they did there?)
 
@jadarnel27 I thought the image would have brown. It didn't. :(
 
5:10 AM
@jadarnel There's an image of a VW Bug with a license plate saying FEATURE on it. I was half expecting to click through to that one.
 
@Undo Haha, that's excellent. I have not seen that one.
 
@jadarnel ^
 
@Undo I'm curious, post a huge Amazon onebox. I'm curious if it's huge in mobile. Then delete it.
 
Can't right now, on a tablet.
 
Me too.
iPad?
Not that bad.
 
5:15 AM
That one's not very huge, though.
 
@Undo Ever get swag-mail?
 
Huh. It gets cut off on Mobile.
@hichris123 Not yet. I probably won't die if I don't get swag really soon, though.
probably.
I keep wondering if Gmail caught it as spam. But then I remember that Tim Post doesn't send spammy things :P
 
I don't know about that...
Night all.
 
> hi undo want swag click here quick quick!
 
"R.I.P. Undo - He didn't get his swag fast enough."
 
5:20 AM
Hehe
i said I won't die!
@animuson But if I die I want someone to post something on meta to that effect :P
you'll know I'm dead because your comment flag count will drop and I won't post sensible things in chat.
 
We'll get everyone to write obsolete comments on your tombstone.
 
Little flags will pop up out of the ground :P
obsolete ones are okay, just please don't write the please-accept ones. I can't stand those.
"R.I.P. Undo - he did everything he could to make animuson handle flags."
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Psh I've handled 3 so far today...
 
If anyone engraves "edited, thanks" on my tombstone, Odnu will start gaining rep and flagging stuff :P
@animuson So you're on track for less than eighteen handled today. Tsck tsck tsck
I should make animuson's BIOS not boot his computer until he handles 100 flags from a command-line interface.
 
It's so windy here that stuff flying past my house keeps turning on my motion sensor lights.
 
5:29 AM
Then turn them off.
stand outside in the wind and keep stuff from blowing past the sensor.
I guess if burglars are blowing past your motion sensor, then it's okay.
 
If the light turning on all the time wasn't accompanied by weird scratching sounds, it probably wouldn't even phase me.
 
Anyway, I've got to go now. Have fun!
 
The fact that I'm playing Batman: Arkham Asylum right now probably isn't helping either.
It's dark and brooding and creepy all on its own.
 
Oh see. If he gets to play games then I certainly should be allowed.
 
You're not allowed?
Since when?!
This is an outrage.
 
5:34 AM
They always scold me in here when I'm playing games rather than moderating. ;P
 
Ohhh. Right.
Well. They're gone now. And I don't flag much anymore, so game away!
You should also feel free to mark this date on your calendar, as the day you got Josh's blessing to play video games.
Because I'm very important.
 
I'll get my brown marker.
 
Haha, perfect!
 
 
1 hour later…
7:02 AM
Whatsup!
 
7:12 AM
Yes, I flagged you... Even you think it's funny, for me it wasn't - or I didn't understand your humor.

...and even who moderated the flag was the same opinion with me. Sorry for that. :-)
 
@AaronHall Clearly, yesterday's debate about flags is still up.
 
12 hours ago, by qwertynl
Why did I get flagged?
That reply-message above was a reply to that.
 
hmm.
been working on some older Q's that need A's
I should get mega rep for this.
cha cha!
 
7:37 AM
resurrected a nice one, 11 months old, perfect answer
May I share it here?
what the hey, here it is:
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Q: Search for any word or combination of words from one string in a list (python)

astexI have a string (for example: "alpha beta charlie, delta&epsilon foxtrot") and a list (for example ["zero","omega virginia","apple beta charlie"]). Is there a convenient way to iterate through every word and combination of words in the string in order to search for it in the list?

So do badges have much value?
I earned a revival badge once today
I want a lot of badges
gamification, I must have an addictive personality
Anyways, be sure to give my answer a bit of support, I spent all night on it.
:D
ciao!!
 
8:11 AM
o/
 
8:42 AM
I am well on my way to overdosing on caffeine already today
 
 
5 hours later…
1:20 PM
@Flyk I'm on like my fifth double espresso
 
1:38 PM
@TinyTim this entire channel needs more
5 hours without a single message is APPALLING
ban all the inactive users
that'll teach 'em
@TinyTim I'm about to drink my fourth, but I also had a couple of cans of redbull
 
... to stay even quieter? Yep, it sure will.
 
Great Example of a Bad Close As Dupe:
Here's a feature-request the Team took care of:
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Q: All deleted posts need a 'flag' link

Lance RobertsAnswers that are deleted for being spam or offensive do not have a flag link on them. There will be times when the poster (or maybe someone else) will want to flag for reasons of appeal or questions or whatever. All deleted posts should still have a flag link to flag a moderator.

 
2:04 PM
Never had noticed this tooltip discrepancy:
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A: "This is a favorite question" tooltip when not favorite

Lance RobertsThat text is a little ambiguous with it's text: This is a favorite question (click again to undo) since the phrase "click again to undo" seems to say that you have already done something. When you hover over an answer upvote it hints: This answer is useful and then after it is clicke...

 
@IonicăBizău Yea really cannot be serious.... but whatever....
 
2:24 PM
It's amazing what hindsight shows us.
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A: The branch prediction answer is overflowing

Lance RobertsThis issue (though without this test case) was brought up four years ago in this question and the powers that be decided to just put the k or m in the text underneath the votes or views number. I think that they should change to what this answer recommends, and put the k or M as a suffix to the ...

I didn't expect to have such a busy morning on Meta.
 
Good afternoon
 
Morning.
 
@Flyk @TinyTim Wow! I though I drank a lot of coffee.
 
@LanceRoberts Well, I'm quite relieved and elated that this 'problem' first surfaced on a truly astonishingly awesome post, and not a cartoon.
 
Approximately one hundred thousand people don't know how voting works. — The Grinch 15 hours ago
That's...interesting.
 
2:40 PM
And off by a factor of ten.
 
@TinyTim, yep, that's a good thing. I hope we end up getting it cleaned up.
 
@Duncan In which direction? I'm not always sure.
 
I think it will look much more impressive to show numbers like 4.1k on the front page.
 
@Oded Well, that question has only (only!) had ten thousand up-votes. But perhaps I'm misunderstanding the point The Grinch was making.
 
Ah. Context. That thing I keep missing.
 
2:49 PM
@qwertynl Sorry, but I am serious with words like this.
 
No, that's only 20,000 votes in the screenshot. Hmmm. I wonder what Robert meant there.
I missed qwerty's message. Did it contain profanity or something?
 
@jadarnel27 No. He asked us to send him a message so he can test the ping system and I said like ur stupid or something followed by a :-P i think (if I remember correctly)
dunno why it was flagged
people get so worked up lol
 
Oh. Well, I guess there's always a chance jokes via text will be taken seriously.
Kinda silly to get suspended for that specific thing.
Darn it. I burned through all my close vote reviews last night.
What am I supposed to do today?
 
3:06 PM
@jadarnel27 coffee is important
 
True story
 
@jadarnel27 It's all good. Just weird the system does not let you "challenge" a suspension.
 
@Flyk I agree!
I usually have 4 or 5 cups of regular coffee between 8 and noon. And then maybe one more in the afternoon.
 
I should get on this coffee train...
 
Sometimes that afternoon one is a triple espresso drink from Starbucks.
 
3:11 PM
It would be good for my headaches...
 
I get too shaky and/or anxious if I nail the coffee that much..
 
But I just cannot get into it.
 
I also drink coffee in the evenings, like, twice a week, when I go to these gatherings where people smoke and drink coffee.
 
Coffee is very brown.
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Because how do you not drink coffee when there's free coffee that someone else made just sitting around?
 
3:14 PM
I usually drink soda though, because my stomach doesn't cope so well with a lot of warm liquid.
 
@TimStome YES. Yes it is.
Ah. That's funny, my stomach doesn't cope well with a lot of soda.
Although I do love Pepsi.
I went through the convoluted process of going to the desktop theme and back to mobile just to star that message about coffee being brown.
Because it's that important.
 
Which is more brown, coke or pepsi?
That's the important question nobody ever asked.
 
Pretty positive it's Pepsi. But I'm biased, due to the fact that Pepsi is better than Coke.
 
I guess if you like drinking brown sludge rather than bottled divinity that's true.
I just wish Coke didn't support sketchy environmental charities so much.
 
Interesting. I can read @jadarnel27's removed chat message in my global inbox. I guess it's difficult to remove something from there..
I know your secrets...
 
3:22 PM
@Duncan Haha, nice.
The worst part is when you can read the first part, but can't read the rest.
Or does the new top bar let you see the whole message, regardless of length? I know it expands more than the old one did.
 
It truncates still.
 
Oh.
hugs TCPMAN.EXE
Yeah. That's right.
I accept you, though our opinions about dark-colored sodas differ.
 
one hour until hometime!
 
Which means I'm the bigger person. And that I win.
 
-1
Q: API For Bio-metrics Thumb scanner

user2241115I am starting my final project about Attendance Management and Reporting System using thumb scanner to be developed in Java programming language. How can we integrate thumb scanner with over system. Which api should i use for this, and if little bit guide can you provide me about how to read fin...

Reject his first edit, others approve it. 1 minute later he makes a new suggested edit
How much more clear can it be that these people don't know how to review suggestions :(
 
3:31 PM
@Flyk Do you work an odd shift, or are you in a much different time zone than I?
 
Whatever Trumpet Winsock says must be right, @jadarnel27
 
It is pretty hard to argue with that.
Oh. Flyk has "Earth" as his or her location. So presumably they do not want to share more specifically than that.
But congrats on being nearly done with work, @Flyk =P I still have a long way to go, though it's really slow here today.
 
@jadarnel27 different timezone obviously
@jadarnel27 I don't share much information
leads to stalkers
the downside of having breasts on the internet
 
It's not that obvious. I don't like to make assumptions.
=)
 
it's on purpose
 
3:44 PM
Also: holy crap, getting 30k rep in 5 months is impressive.
 
nope
there is an account deletion involved
and some super friendly Tim Posts
I say some, he works like he's multiple people
and should get a pay rise
I'm actually 2 years old in June
- the 2 months I had my account deleted
 
Ah. That makes some more sense.
Still. 30k rep is more than I have everywhere combined, so still impressive haha.
 
I'm stuck on Arqade though
I don't have the required subject knowledge to generate that kind of reputation elsewhere
kinda why I started posting on MSO actually
I know enough about how Stack Exchange works to take part in that
if I look at a question on Information Security or Ask Ubuntu or pretty much any of the other sites they all look like gibberish to me
I even tried answering stuff on English Language & Usage and there are words used on there I didn't even know were words
 
yay swagmail! Thanks @TinyTim - and I'm very sorry if (and I probably was) being obnoxious about it. I was a little excited.
 
@TinyTim get @Jin to change the font on Arqade to Comic Sans for April Fools btw
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it would drive everybody bonkers
in fact, do it network wide
 
3:49 PM
@Flyk We all have our niche =) Looks like you have had some success on the Movies site.
 
I want an option to pay to use SE in Dogecoin.
 
@jadarnel27 that was totally luck
I doubt that site is ever going to come out of beta anyway
 
@Undo No worries :P
 
I can't wait until this chat is part of the main chat.SE, it will make following activity in here much easier
since it will appear in the list above the star list
 
I'm starting to feel like Music.SE will never come out of beta.
Perhaps I should...start participating again. See if that helps.
 
3:51 PM
I was going to take part in music.se but it looked more like it was about instruments than sequencing
so didn't bother
 
Right. I think there are some questions about electronic music on there, but I don't know how much of a community there is for it.
I wonder if stuff about sequencing would be on topic on AVP or the new Audio site.
 
I've had pretty bad experiences going to random sites after being on Arqade, Arqade is such a clean and well maintained site in comparison to many sites on the network
I did try just submitting edits but most sites aren't that happy if a new user appears out of nowhere and starts working towards copy editor using the suggested edits queue
plus there are so many people who just sit in the review queues randomly mashing buttons without really paying attention
so you end up with edits getting rejected as "an attempt to reply to the post" when it's clearly a cleanup edit
 
Oh wow. I didnt realize the review problems were prevalent on sites other than SO. Although I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
I lurked for a while on SO before I started posting (to get a feel for what things were like). For some reason, it's hard to be motivated to go through that process again on another site.
 
@jadarnel27 I committed to Space.SE without knowing anything about space exploration - I just know how to Google really well.
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@Undo oh god, I committed to ebooks and it's a nightmare
I have absolutely no subject knowledge at all and very little actual interest in it
 
4:06 PM
@Flyk I didn't commit to Ebooks, I just got in to the beta with the A51 link.
 
still asked 6 questions, but I think I'll just get to 10 and then go inactive
I need to find a subject matter I actually enjoy and try and take part in that
 
Technically there's no point in commiting to a A51 proposal, since you can still get in, but it does make it faster from commit to beta.
 
@hichris123 But badges!
 
@Undo True.
 
@Undo I wasn't referring to knowledge of the subject matter being a barrier for entry, but knowledge of the site's community (which is not such an issue in the early beta period).
Going thrashing around on a site where there is an established community, and you don't know how they operate, will tend to result in a poor experience (for everyone, probably).
It's like when new people come to MSO, and then get all butthurt when people make sarcastic, jokey comments. Or downvote their feature request. Or close their post as a dupe of a broader FAQ post that answers the question.
If you lurk for a while, and take the time to learn what the community is like, they'll be more likely to upvote all your stuff accept you as one of their own.
blah blah blah
 
4:16 PM
@Undo I'm missing so many badges as a result of deleting my account
 
@jadarnel27 Is this what your writing your dissertation on (for a PhD)? You seem to know so much about it. :P
 
I'd have 5 out of 6 steward badges on arqade by now if it was possible to restore review history
 
@hichris I just like to hear my self talk (and whatever the textual equivalent of that phrase is).
Then again, that's not a lot different from most PhD candidates I've met.
So maybe I should go get one.
 
@jadarnel27 Go get your PhD on Stack Exchangeology.
 
I should be a Community Manager.
That way I would be able to talk about stuff all day.
 
4:24 PM
Then you'd make everything brown.
 
But it would seem more official.
And I would have more buttons to click.
 
@jadarnel27 All day? Are you mad? There are some good stretches of doing nothing, too.
 
Ah. Even better!
I wouldn't want to make the rest of everyone look bad.
 
woo, hometime \o/
 
Do you all need a Spanish-speaking Community Manager yet?
I guess Portuguese is pretty much the same thing.
 
4:51 PM
Is anyone else's gravatar refusing to display in the top bar?
 
mine's fine
 

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