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12:16 AM
@TinyTim Is there a timeline on swag emails for the coloring contest? Just so I can quit compulsively checking my email :P
I don't want to sound pushy, just... I don't want to bring Gmail's servers down in a ball of fire because I reloaded the page too often :P
And I iz very excited about swagz.
 
12:31 AM
Pestering people about it probably wont hurry the process along.
 
Yeah, true.
 
Today is an American holiday.
 
I really don't care about the when, I just would like a, "It won't happen this week"
Then I can have a week without checking my email!
;)
 
Excuses.
 
But you're right. I've never thought of Jan 1 as a holiday.
 
12:32 AM
Guess you don't have a smart phone?
 
Only brown holidays matter.
 
I suppose I'm being a pain :P
Yay for being a pain!
@jadarnel27 Well, I don't trust Gmail's push notifs for whatever reason.
I think I tested it once and it never made it or something :P
And therefore I don't trust it.
Gmail is amazingly consistent about pinging me for spam, though.
 
> You've got spam!
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@animuson Mods get that notification.
Undo doesn't get a distinction between spam and stuff I care about.
I should create a service where I proxy people's email, read it, and delete it if it isn't worth reading.
(hint: don't sign up for it :P)
 
// Determine if this email is worth reading
return false;
 
12:42 AM
@animuson stop posting star-worthy things :P
You're going to DDoS the star board.
 
Mwuahahaha
 
DDoS means Distributed Denial of Stars, right?
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1:02 AM
Greetings
I need a moderator to delete a post, any help around ?
@animuson Are you able to help ?
 
1:23 AM
Do we really need the tag?
Or the tag?
Seems a little redudant to .
 
@hichris123 I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
@animuson Thanks, didn't feel like manually retagging.
 
 
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2:34 AM
Seems like people are more aggressive in critiquing questions that are self-answered.
 
@AaronHall What do you mean?
 
down-voting, flagging tenuously as a dupe, negative comments without much weight.
 
Linky?
 
-3
Q: Python, how to implement a list subclass that evaluates as False if its items evaluate False?

Aaron HallI have read overriding bool() for custom class and it doesn't answer my question, "how to implement a list subclass that evaluates as False if its items evaluate as False". Specifically, it doesn't address: subclassing a list evaluating as False in a boolean context if its items evaluate as Fal...

One neg comment suggested off topic. I think this is fairly squarely on topic for stackoverflow.
It was a bit controversial. 5 downvotes on the Q, 1 on the A, 2 and 3 up respectively.
@hichris123 thoughts?
 
@AaronHall I think it's an okay question. The problem with self answered questions like that is you have to write the question like normal. The only problem I can see (personally wouldn't downvote because of it) is just not showing attempted solutions. However, it does show minimum understanding.
Answer seems really good to me.
 
2:47 AM
I'm not sure what an attempted solution would show, plus it would be a total straw man, I think.
 
That is true.
 
I was stuck on doing anything until I found the solution.
 
I'm trying to look for a meta post covering it. Hold on a sec.
 
Yeah, all I see is posts like it's okay to self-answer.
 
2:49 AM
But people seem not to like it.
voters, I should say
 
Look here:
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A: Posting and answering questions you have already found the answer to

EarwickerI've tried this once: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/354587/optimizing-aggregate-for-string-concatenation Soon after using SO I realised that it was a much better coder's blogging tool than a blog, because the editing experience is damn-near perfect for code samples. So I wondered about usi...

I'll be back in a bit.
 
Every time I do a Q without the A, everyone's quite pleased to try to help. Every time I do a Q&A, the Question is a dupe or off-topic, and people try to close it. Why? I'm hogging the reputation for the content. That's why.
 
I guess answering your own question in this way is something of a roll of the dice. Sometimes the community likes it, sometimes they don't.
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A: Posting and answering questions you have already found the answer to

gnostradamusWhile I personally feel that this is OK (in moderation), the community may not agree. An example I recently saw... An employee of The MathWorks who is active on SO decided to post a couple of questions (here and here) that he knew were most commonly asked about their product (MATLAB). He felt th...

 
just reading that one
Anyways, I'm ok with not getting an immediate payoff by doing Q&A. I think it will pay off in the long run.
 
3:06 AM
Also, don't really worry about the up/downvotes. If it helps other people, then nothing else really counts.
 
If I do the right QA's, my rep will probably take off in a few months.
So that's the thing, is trying to find Q&A's that people will be looking for.
I've even written up some good Answers on old stuff, and they're still sleepers, but I think they could be number one.
Check out this one (it's got a long way to go to be number one, though): stackoverflow.com/questions/635483/…
 
Seems quite good.
I don't really care about my rep, I just want to get privledges so I can help moderate (like CV and edit review).
 
Well, I do care. It's like a game, and I want to get to level 99.
I don't want to cheat, but I do want to pick a winning strategy.
 
You're at like 750. I'm around 1.4K.
The problem is that I just have been coasting at 1.3-1.4K.
I really want to get to 3K, then 10K, but I don't know how to.
 
3:22 AM
You could try Q&A, mine netted 28 today. Wash on the Q, but ups on the A. Actually, I got another vote, so 38 today. :)
 
I could, but I'm trying answering more and questions, as well as bountied questions.
 
Since it's what Stackoverflow wants, we should encourage it, not discourage it.
 
I feel like I flag way too much, since I have no way to CV or anything.
 
Shit, I almost didn't post music today.
 
I think some are overzealous. I think if we act in the spirit of the Stackoverflow founders, we're doing good.
@Elf
@ElfSlice cool.
 
3:33 AM
@AaronHall Hmm?
@AaronHall Mhmm. ;]
I recommend you listen to it all the way through.
 
It's going in another panel
So when I start typing someone's name, in order to get the completion, seems like the only way is to click, and it's faster just to type it out.
Jeff Atwood on November 24, 2008

I was surprised to find the following question on Stack Overflow:

Jon Skeet Facts

Apparently this “question” is.. somewhat controversial; as of now it has 31 revisions and 65 comments. It was opened by Bill the Lizard, who accepted this answer, from Jon Skeet, appropriately enough:

These are written in the third person so as not to disrupt the style of the thing. But hey, as we all know, Jon Skeet can make 1 == 3 anyway, so it makes no difference.

Jon Skeet is immutable. If something’s going to change, it’s going to have to be the rest of the universe. Jon Skeet’s add …

yay, question got a vote.
wonder if I should offer a bounty where I've already answered it with what I believe to be the best question, just to increase the visibility...
How long until incorrectly assigned dupe flags go away?
@ElfSlice, thanks! my wife plays violin and music gets stuck in her head easy, but she likes the electronica that you just put me on to, and it doesn't get stuck in her head! Woo hoo!
 
3:52 AM
@AaronHall The joys of ambient electronica. ;]
 
FYI, I'm going to casually browse everyone here's SO and meta posts... ;)
 
hi, how was this edit accepted so quickly? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3706369 Even the first line contains basic English grammar issues... Robo reviewers?
This a typical example of "too minor" for me when even the first few words are obviously wrong, and not fixed.
 
The link you just posted showed me 5 people who reviewed the edit.
3 approves, 2 reject,
 
yes
if I am quick I would have been the third reject and it does not go in, but there were three people accepting it in a row? Why did they do so? Is it good to accept such edits like this?
 
Why not, it improves it.
They could have done more, but fix any remaining problems yourself then.
I really don't think SO wants us to neg so hard on people trying to make positive contributions.
 
4:01 AM
I would have edited it more, and unchecked the helpful box. Shouldn't leave such bad grammar in there.
 
@Aaron Improve = good option, but people review so quickly
 
@AaronHall: because when my posts (which were radically better) got rejected, I was told it does not make sense to not fix the answer fully. Now, there is the case when something is arguable, but in this case, it has fundamentally basic grammar issues which is hardly negotiable.
 
better than a backlog
Well, they were possibly wrong then.
 
it was told by Bart, Odded, etc, here
That you should fix the posts fully when editing rather than doing minor fixes.
 
@Aaron Misread your message. It is bad to approve these edits.
They're only fixing some.
@LaszloPapp This is the right answer.
 
4:04 AM
thanks.
(Note that I prefer to teach them how to fish rather than fixing everything up myself... otherwise I would not have time for other things:)
 
I like marginal improvements over nothing at all, but I try to get the full thing in myself when editing. Sometimes I've submitting several changes in a row on the same one, though. Miss some things first time. Get them. Then figure a couple other things need fixing.
I was looking for some today, didn't see any.
 
Sounds like a bad practice to under 2000 rep, but I guess I am different.
 
Fixing everything should be the goal.
 
It is
 
@hichris123: I agree.
 
4:06 AM
People sometimes miss something, but reviewers will usually correct that minor mistake.
 
and it is hardly questionable here that this is wrong when even the first few words are that wrong. I would even suggest such a person not to review if his/her English is that bad s/he cannot realize it. If her/his English is not that bad, but the person is just lazy... well, then the rejection is valid, and the lesson has to be learnt.
 
I don't really think it should be different for any user.
 
I'm not looking for perfection, but hate seeing laziness.
 
I think we have a lot of secondary English contributors
 
@LaszloPapp Especially on posts that are fixing a tag, but nothing else.
 
4:11 AM
so what's wrong with that?
why are we so anti-improvement?
 
It is not an improvement. It is a step back because it encourages bad habit for the site.
 
@LaszloPapp teaching newbies lessons is not the point of rejecting an edit. Rejections should be for incorrect edits or tags, not "technically correct, but hey, it's just not enough."
 
Yeh, there really isn't a feedback mechanism to show them what they could have done better. It would be good if they would implement something like that.
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@AaronHall: you are wrong, I am afraid. It may sound obvious, but really: have you noticed there is a "too minor" option for a reason? Heck, that is how I learnt it from others, here.
 
4:28 AM
@AaronHall You also have to remember the +2 rep (some do do it just for the rep).
 
that's a lot of grinding...
 
I've seen someone go through posts which need more improvement and just add a language or another tag. Many were approved...
 
Morning.
 
Morning
We were just discussing how nice it would be if we'd all go around upvoting each other. :D
 
It's night for me...
 
4:32 AM
LOL. That won't be fair :)
 
Do you want a sock? For a limited time they're free to make. :P
 
he he. winter bash discount? :P
 
Yep. Special hat, too!
It's the hat for getting banned.
 
LOL. I would rather manage with hats I am having now :P
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Q: Allow cancelling of stars from message

AarthiCurrently, the only way to cancel stars in a chat transcript is when the chat-message is visible in the chatroom's sidebar. However, in a fast-moving, multi-star chatroom, the window of opportunity to cancel can be short, and rapid changes in starring can quickly make this impossible to do in ...

I started bounty on this. It would be good if this feature request gains some attention.
 
oopsie, I accidentally pushed the wrong button at a review. It is not possible to go back and modify, right?
 
4:42 AM
Right.
 
Nope.
 
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Q: Cancel misclicked flags

AlbireoI'm wondering (since it just happened to me), is it possible to "cancel" ("undo", "delete", whatever) a flag I just raised if I misclicked it, so the mods won't waste time? I looked everywhere, but I can't find such a feature.

 
I wonder what the average ratio of Answers per rep is...
rep per answer
 
@Lance: review, not flag.
 
683
Q: Can we have the ability to retract a close vote before it closes?

cletusSometimes you vote to close something and the OP then changes it to fix the issue or issues. You can't take a close vote back though. It would be nice if you could. With the new Duplicate close changes and the review queues, it's even more important to be able to remove accidental or erroneous...

Another review one was closed as a dupe of that one.
 
4:45 AM
Hey, +2 for me!
 
Thanks, Here's one.
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Q: Change edit approval/rejection

Jonathan.I accidentally clicked reject on the suggested edit on this question(http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5726269/). I can't find the button to change it to Approve? EDIT: I'm making this a feature request so that people will be able to change their approval to rejection or vice-versa in the futu...

 
@hichris123: closer, but still not review. :)
 
Which review? Low quality post? First Post? Suggested edit?
 
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Q: The ability to undo reviews

It'sNotALie.I (and probably many other people) have accidentally clicked the wrong button in reviews. For example, I just clicked the Leave Open button when I wanted to click Close. I think many people have done this. I think an ability to undo this would be appreciated.

 
we were discussing edits.
@LanceRoberts: thanks.
 
@UndotheSnowman Today at some point.
Because holidays.
Note - If you won the latest drawing contest on MSO, I'll be reaching out to you at some point today.
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5:28 AM
Wonderful! Thanks!
 
 
2 hours later…
7:27 AM
Why so many people from India think that inline code is proper for syntax highlight?!
 
7:38 AM
@ShadowWizard While folks from India are a rather visible sampling of that, it's actually everywhere. It's probably because the style it renders resembles highlight, or just naturally confusing to some. We're talking about how to make it more obvious when / where to use the various styles that we have.
You know, it actually wouldn't hurt to just ask some folks why they elected to use it there to understand why they thought it would be the best choice. I'll try to keep that in mind as I mine through /review and notice rejections from folks I know are active in chat.
 
@TinyTim oh, I did and it actually helped (I hope) but it's only a drop in the ocean.
The main problem is "non western" users always approve those edits, go over Yogi edits to see it
 
8:08 AM
anyone has any idea why flagging this post was declined by a moderator? stackoverflow.com/a/20808463/2682142
1) It does not address the concern 2) If it did, it would be a duplicate in which he should have used the corresponding flag.
 
@LaszloPapp what type of flag?
If NAA it's indeed not a proper flag as this is an answer
 
@ShadowWizard: it is not an answer.... it does not address the concern at hand... also, it is more like a "duplicate" flag posted for reputation instead.
but even if the flag type had been wrong, the moderator could have concluded from reading it, so I am wondering why this answer was deemed useful by the moderator...
so people should use " it is very low quality" when the answer does not address the concern at all?
or should it have been marked as duplicate instead, in a comment?
 
8:26 AM
I think it's an answer. Might be a bad answer, can't tell because I'm not familiar with the language, so feel free to downvote - that's what downvotes are for.
 
I am not asking about downvote. I am asking about the deletion of a post which should have been a flag with a comment, or better: not posted at all. 2 people already downvoted it, fwiw. So, I am asking why the moderator deemed it as useful. I might be able to learn something.
 
Dunno, guess we better have a mod answer - I just gave my personal opinion. If you see Andrew or animuson around ask them to come here. :)
 
ok, thanks.
In worst case, I will stop flagging useless (and worse: misleading) posts in the future if it is the better way. I guess I just need to learn the convention.
either way, I use the NAA flag for link-only answers, too. Is that bad? Should I use the low-quality flag?
 
Lol I was just about to link it as well :)
Bottom line there is you can't have consensus on what flag you should use for "link only answers"
 
 
8:41 AM
So the general idea seems to be that they're just bad answers that may become non-answers if the link breaks or its content changes..?
 
well if it's an answer consisting of just a link, and the link disappears, it's no longer an answer, is it?
it's just some text
 
Yup
 
It's all discussed in great details here
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Q: Can we get some consensus on what flag to use for link only answers?

Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish Related: Since moderators are just asking users to flag a custom "Link only answer," can we permanently make this a flag option? (not a dupe, that's a feature request and was closed as a dupe of another one) This (old) post does indeed say that Link-only answers can be flagged as NAA, bu...

 
Read parts of it
and came to the conclusion that I stated above
 
requesting permission to fall asleep at my desk
 
8:51 AM
granted
@Flyk you made a mistake in your answer
 
Is this you?!
 
@ShadowWizard no, I don't wear a tie
or a shirt
and I'm not a man
and I have a desktop pc, not a laptop
also, I have hair
 
@Flyk no shirt?! wow!
 
-.-
I have a tshirt on
which is not a shirt
 
8:58 AM
you pervert
 
:P
Found you!
 
lol
 
it's so quiet around here today
I don't even know why we had to turn up to work today
it's probably going to be like this tomorrow as well
at least I'm only in for two days this week
 
@3ventic yeah
 
9:08 AM
I'm pretty sure most of my rejected edits were rejected because of stubborn post authors
 
and the OP is fighting back
 
@3ventic lol
 
The question need a lock soon
 
..yup
 
@3ventic you did leave a lower case "i" in there though
 
9:10 AM
wow
It's hard to see the difference between i and I when the difference is 1 pixel
 
it's not, it's multiple pixels!
 
on chat it is multiple
There's still a lower case i in there
 
Actually that's my fault, @Flyk
I was the one editing and missed that. Horrible mistake fixed!
 
it's fine, I'm too tired to set you on fire
 
@Flyk I'm a lucky guy! :D
 
9:18 AM
:D
I'm still fighting off fully collapsing on my keyboard and sleeping
eugh... looking at the clock wondering if it's hometime, only been here an hour so far
 
@Flyk eat some chocolate, it should help you keep your eyes open for a little while ;)
 
mmm chocolate
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1 min ago, by 3ventic
mmm chocolate
 
9:34 AM
I have chocolate downstairs. I should go get some.
 
I have no chocolate
 
but I already have some potato chips/crisps in front of me
 
I have a can of liquid death
(Monster energy)
 
@Flyk no chocolate at work?! Can't be!
 
I know :(
so sad
I will have to wait until lunch
but filling myself with chocolate sounds like having to burn additional calories at a later date
 
9:45 AM
you can wait 6-8 weeks before burning calories ;)
 
I'm starting to feel old
 
no
@3ventic you're younger than me
I'm 21 this year
 
I'm 19 this year
in a few months
 
43 days to go
 
111 days to go
 
9:58 AM
I wish I was 18 again
just get me stuck in a loop between 17 and 21
 
Wow you're so young
 
I still get id'd though
so I'm fine
I will just pretend I'm still 17
should be able to get away with that for another 4-5 years
 
I was 17 half my age ago
 
wow you're so old
 
Both my parents are older
 
10:00 AM
CMON BE HOMETIME ALREADY
I can hear my bed calling my name
so comfy
 
I need a new pillow.
I have 2, both of them are too low on their own, but they're too high together
 
Not food.
 
lol
really? :D
I have this at work, not so tasty
 
I swear there must be a brand for that kind of food for every word ever.
I'm having a really bad day...
I'm constantly doubting every word I type.
 
10:06 AM
@3ventic I have two super fluffy pillows
and when I get home, I am going to faceplant into them and see you tomorrow
 
10:23 AM
@ShadowWizard I'm not sure why I got the tick for that one, you had the correct answer
some users...
 
10:35 AM
most users...
 
all the users
 
@Flyk are going to die.
2 days ago, by Chacha102
Humans stink. We should kill all of them
 
I don't think we're human.
 
I'm not human
I am a pegasus pony
 
I forgot I was an aeroplane.
 
11:04 AM
...and I'm a classy dog
 
...and I'm a green floor tile
 
 
2 hours later…
1:01 PM
hi
 
hi
 
do you know much about hats?
 
What hats?
I haven't seen any hats.
 
Hats are currently not available for some people
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Q: Winter Bash is unavailable

juergen dI can't see any hats nor the Winter Bash symbol in the topbar or my profile anymore. When I open winterbash2013.stackexchange.com, I get: HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable. I am in Argentina if it matters.

Did you mean to report such thing, @Bohemian?
 
> Winter Bash 2013 will run from Monday 16 December 2013 through Friday 3 January 2014.
 
1:12 PM
i was wondering if someone could give me a clue on how to get the eureka hat
 
I was -----><----- this close to getting Eureka.
 
@Bohemian "Solve these riddles and it's yours"
 
Well if I've solved them, where do I post the solution?
 
don't :)
It's well documented here though.
From what I can gather, Eureka is awarded when you get combination of other hats (maybe secret too)
I might be wrong of course
 
that's the only thing that makes sense, but I know of a user that doesn't have all the others but has eureka
 
1:20 PM
Hi, I seem to be the recipient of a serial question upvoting on SO. That is lovely, I guess someone really likes me, but will I be accused of sockpuppeting or similar? I have no idea who it is but would love to know if it is legit or questionable. I have read meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/126829/… which is why I am here
 
@mplungjan The votes will be reversed within a day, but nothing else is likely to happen.
 
Thanks - any idea why it was done?
I wonder how much REP I need to see for myself :)
 
@mplungjan Probably someone really liked one of your answers, and thought you deserved more than 10 reputation for that answer
 
But then upvoting my answers would be much more lucrative and less suspicious :)
All the upvotes were for my QUESTIONS
 
Who knows?
 
1:24 PM
Right. Thanks.
 
It could be some other reason
 
Happy New Year
 
Happy New Year!
 
Happy New Year!
 
Happy New Year!!
 
1:24 PM
Happy New Year!
 
Ryan: "I'm happy to dissect you name for you!: " missing an "r" but what does it mean?
 
@mplungjan I don't know... just a moment
 
It's in your profile :)
about I'm happy to dissect you name for you!: http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/1694364#1694364
parent user Meta Stack Overflow Ryan Carlson
 
@mplungjan I thought you meant what did you name mean
 
following the link tells me what you meant
 
1:28 PM
Dec 19 '13 at 23:26, by RyanCarlson
Just did some more research: ani is "a glossy black long-tailed bird of the cuckoo family, with a large deep bill, found in Central and South America." muson is, in esperanto, "accusative singular of mouse." Therefore animuson is an animal that is half "a glossy black long-tailed bird of the cuckoo family, with a large deep bill, found in Central and South America" and half mouse!
Dec 19 '13 at 23:32, by RyanCarlson
@UndotheSnowman "The first city of east central Wyoming on the North Platte river"
 
Yes I now understand :)))
Mine is derived from some river
 
@mplungjan That's cool
 
Just looked for fun :)
 
2:06 PM
Hi
 
Thanks @TinyTim :-)
 
@qwertynl Fancy!
 
Action shots! Woohoo!
 
@TinyTim I've got moar. but they are secret ;-)
 
2:22 PM
I want a shirt too :(
lol
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum webshop.stackexchange.com
 
^ I get this.
 
@rene Uhhh... That is not a thing :-(
 
@rene The Q&A site webshop.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet. :(
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Q: What happened to the Stack Exchange Store?

Michael PryorThere used to be a place where you could buy Stack Exchange branded gear, what happened to it?

Never noticed until now the OP of that question is the CFO of Stack Exchange!
 
I smell an opportunity...
 
2:26 PM
@rene That ... wasn't something we could keep up with once word really got out.
 
@rene Area51 site proposal? ;)
 
Can I get a shirt then :)?
 
Seeing the estimated turn-over my bookkeeper says no...
 
@rene I wasn't asking you though :P I do contribute a lot and stuff.
Figured there is no harm in asking, after all people walking around with SO shirts is a positive thing for the site.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum How special are you quoting the answer: 'gift it to people in special circumstances'
pun intended
 
2:30 PM
hah
 

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