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7:00 AM
@Benjol true, but knowledge is stronger than conviction
 
All I have to say is that things made a lot more sense once I gave up on the literal interpretation The Bible. I'm just sayin...
@Moshe I dunno. I've seen people ignore knowledge, due to their convictions. stirs the pot
 
@GeorgeM believe me, I don't go by literal interpretation. I go based on tradition and the Talmud and the accompanying explanations
 
Bonjour @Pierre, tu ne t'inscris pas pour EN/FR translation? :)
 
@GeorgeM ignores comment designed to stir pot
 
@Moshe Well, you seemed to say this was the work of God. Personally, I just think it was a natural event. It may be the work of God, but I have no way of knowing it.
 
7:03 AM
@Benjol: Salut Benjol, de quoi s'agit-il ?
 
(@GeorgeMarian, @Moshe, excuse us - subdiscussion)
 
@GeorgeM correct. I do believe that Gd created what we call nature. Nature as we know it is a predictable pattern of behavior of everything in the world.
 
@Pierre303, proposition Area51: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1979/…
 
Including weather and other aspects of science.
 
@Benjol heh I made something out about english & french translation :)
 
7:05 AM
(@Pierre303, sans obligation aucune, mais si ça peut être intéressant....)
 
@Moshe That actually goes back to my point about his just letting his creation run.
 
I also believe that Gd created free will. If things were always obvious miracles, we wouldn't have the choice between doing what we should do and what we shouldnt do.
 
@Benjol: c'est en effet une bonne idée. J'ai souvent besoin de faire traduire des textes d'une langue à une autre. Participer à cette proposition me permettrais de renvoyer l'ascenseur ;)
 
@GeorgeM yes, so it appears that everything is running willy nilly but in reality Gd is pulling strings.
 
@Pierre303 Y'en a une autre (pas de moi) pour un pendant au English Language & Usage : area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/16870/…
 
7:07 AM
In other words, Gd does what you would expect him to do most of the time, and when he does things a bit differently, it's called nature. When things go really out of whack, it's a miracle.
 
@Moshe We differ on interpretation that things are running "willy nilly." I would say that they are running according to plan, of their own volition. Not to mention that God is "pulling the strings."
 
@Benjol: je ne sais pas faire un commit car j'en ai déjà trois, mais tu me préviendras? Je suis souvent sur le chat de programmers.stackexchange.com.
 
@Moshe That's an... interesting ...position.
 
@George correct again. We do differ in that area.
Why is that interesting? it's logical.
 
@Pierre303, je savais pas qu'on pouvait pas au-delà de 3, j'y penserai. Et bonjour à la Belgique (j'ai bossé 6 mois à Liège...)
 
7:09 AM
@GeorgeM let me ask you this:
How dl you believe the world began, (or do you not think about it)?
 
@Benjol: allez? Je suis liégeois. Dans quelle boite?
 
(Gotta start from the beginning)
 
@Moshe Well, I don't believe I know what God is doing. I can't actually separate simple nature running it's course from God's direct involvement.
 
@Pierre303, dans feu Chat Noir - sauf que c'étati déjà plus Chat Noir - c'était Kraft Jacob Suchard...
 
@Moshe Personally, I believe it was created by God, but that says nothing about how he/she/it did it.
 
7:11 AM
@Benjol: Jupille alors?
BRB
 
@GeorgeM correct. I agree with that. I don't have much of a specific tradition on how Gd created the world either, except that he did it in six days and with "one word". Honestly, no clue what that means. In fact, the first several days were without the sun or moon, so there were no "days" as we know them in twenty four hour lengths.
Do you want to go with the "big bang" as the mechanism or a complete world or some other way?
 
@Moshe Do you consider it to be six literal Earth days?
 
@GeorgeMarian, literal days are difficult without a sun or moon.
 
Upon further reading, I guess not?
@Benjol Yeah, that was going to be my point. :)
 
@GeorgeM yea. It could have been six literal days, without he celestial bodies actually being there or it could have been millions of years.
 
7:15 AM
Please don't tell me the speed of light is slowing down exponentially, I will be forced to flag you :D
 
@Moshe shrug I don't know one way or the other, nor do I think that it matters. :)
@Benjol LOL
 
@Benjol no worries. Wasn't goin to.
@GeorgeM agreed. It's a moot point.
I just want to show you why I believe that Gd runs the world every moment. Long story short. Take an orange. Or a banana. Your pick.
 
@Moshe Ok, so what's the point of mentioning the fact that he created the world in 6 days? Stating things like that seem to misrepresent your position. Or, I tend to interpret those statements as coming from someone w/ a literal interpretation of the scripture.
 
Apple
 
BTW, this is a perfect conversation for a tavern. @TylerChacha more ale, good sir!
 
7:17 AM
@GeorgeM just wanted to know if evolution was a factor in the proof.
Seems not.
@Benjol - apple it is.
(Likes Apples, although his iPhone is hard to type on and his iMac was stolen)
So.
Anyone know how fruit grows?
Seed -> fruit, yes?
 
Who told the fruit that people like sweet juice? Who told the fruit it needs to help to spread its seeds? Who told a fruit that it has seeds? That it wants to propagate?
 
The selfish gene, of course :)
 
Who told fruit that people know that green is unripe?
The selfish gene said that you like brightly colored fruit?
 
I don't see how this leads to a belief that God is involved in the daily activities of nature.
 
7:21 AM
I see that as a design, no?
Who told MS windows that a window needs three buttons in the top right corner?
A designer of course.
 
They stole that from Xerox... ;)
Or was that the mouse?
 
Right and you expect me to believe that Xerox gave Gd plans for the world?
 
Personally, I have no issue reconciling evolution, the dinosaurs and the idea that God created the world.
 
"Hey Gd, we drew up plans for world 3.1, go for it!"
I don't either, but the issue here is constant design.
 
I seriously suggest a forensics/debate class for you. :)
@Moshe It is? I thought it was the notion that God in involved in everything that happens every day, in a literal way.
 
7:24 AM
Yup, go cut you teeth on atheism.se :)
 
@Benjol lol
 
@Ah, GeorgeM correct again.
 
I dunno that I'd have enough popcorn for that. ;)
 
Atheist here, I am not wading into this debate
 
Design indicates purpose. Purpose indicates constant intervention
 
7:25 AM
@Moshe It does?
 
@YiJiang, yup, but you're not a real atheist, you don't do it properly (I'm teasing you btw.)
 
@GeorgeM Why would I write a program if nobody, not even myself will gain from it.
 
Purpose does not indicate constant intervention.
 
@Benjol & others see you later
 
@Moshe But that's not constant intervention.
@Pierre303 hi, bye :)
 
7:26 AM
@Pierre303, see you
 
@Moshe The last line there sounds like the tagline for The Adjustment bureau
 
If I have a purpose, I'm going to make sure that the product gets to the client. I will see it through.
 
@Benjol Yada yada, I can defend myself just fine, its just that I want to actually get something done right now
 
@Moshe In fact, if you take the software analogy, you're suggesting that God is indeed imperfect. I as a programmer wouldn't intervene in any program I wrote, if I wrote correctly the first time.
 
I don't know what Gd wants with planet earth. I don't claim to know. No second coming or the like.
 
7:28 AM
(Damn these old fingers, I can't even type fast enough and they're starting to seize up slightly.)
 
@Moshe Ah, so you do know that there's no second coming. That's a start :)
 
I just know that Gd wants something and I beloeve that the bible is the instruction manual.
@Benjol I'm Jewish not Christian. Let's be clear here. There are as many misconceptions about religious people as there are the other way around.
@GeorgeM not if the program was meant to be used.
I wrote a program to be used. I have a purpose. I made an orange. A banana. A whatever. I want GeorgeMarian in Romania to eat that Apple. I will get it to him.
 
@Moshe I'm teasing you too. It was your juxtaposition of "I don't claim to know. No second coming or the like." that seemed ironic.
 
I can't trust the Apple or the program to deliver itself
@GeorgeM remember that an analogy is meant to be used as an analogy. It's not the real thing.
@Benjol gotcha
 
@Moshe Ok, I think I see your position on God's involvement with the world. However, I don't see how that leads to the notion of constant intervention. Granted, I also come at this from the Christian position. (Namely, sometimes bad stuff happens to good people just because it happens.)
 
7:31 AM
@YiJiang You're not even a signed up member of atheism.se! I tell you, you're not a true unbeliever :) [what are you working on, btw?]
 
@Benjol lol
 
@Benjol Well, that boat is sinking, so no. Also, I'm a horrible debater, you know that?
 
@Moshe BTW, I'm not actually in Romania. ;)
 
Anyway, working on debugging Garden's JavaScript after someone told me that the mobile JavaScript was throwing error
 
@GeorgeM that's where we differ. If I am correct, and this may be a misconception, but in Christianity, questions are discouraged and saying "I don't know" is not an option.
 
7:33 AM
@YiJiang Without having a mobile yourself? That must be interesting
 
Is that anywhere near accurate?
 
@YiJiang But apparently you're a damned fine web UI coder. W/e happened w/ that "job" "offer/" Was it serious?
 
@Benjol Incredibly. I wished I'd lived near an Apple store or something
 
@YiJiang on iOS ATM but a bit busy. Hehe
 
@GeorgeMarian It might be, I don't know
 
7:33 AM
@YiJiang. In a few, I can help.
 
@Moshe It's a caricature, but you could find plenty who fit the bill, I fear.
 
He does want to chat though, even after he knew that I'm a student with almost no free time
 
@YiJiang Lies! You're on here all the time, that's free time isn't it? :)
 
@Moshe I guess it depends on who you ask. I don't think it's generally true of all of Christianity. In fact, for those with the smallest of clues, doubt is natural for everyone one of us.
 
@Benjol It's the holidays, well, at least it is now
 
7:35 AM
So maybe the dogmatic may take that view, but IMHO they're clueless.
 
Well, for some definition of 'free'
 
@Benjol yea, see, I'm okay admitting that I don't have all the answers and I am encouraged to ask.
@GeorgeM who is "they"?
 
@Moshe Hm, but your "knowledge is better than conviction" sounded more like the "I do know" camp...
 
@Moshe I'm not sure , but certain plants and animals were co-dependent in one way or another right from the time plants were algae. I know for sure that plants can sense the environment, they emit some kinda particles that helps them detect possible enemies and friends.
 
@YiJiang LOL Well, just be careful. Something struck me as odd about that, though I can't put my finger on it.
 
7:37 AM
@Benjol it does sound like that, but review the transcript, I don't know everything and even less so offhand.
@Reno, yes, so?
 
Yup, @YiJiang, hang out for that job with SE, we're rooting for you :)
 
@Moshe The dogmatic of my brethren. :) I thought that was pretty clear from that sentence. Maybe a course in pronouns may be useful. zing (Sorry, I couldn't resist.)
 
@Benjol Hahahaha, well I'll just say that I'm not as smart as you think I am ;)
 
Heh. Grammar at 4 am.
 
7:39 AM
@YiJiang You get stuff done... the elections page is a pretty good example of that. Don't underrate getting stuff done.
 
@Moshe Oh dang, It's almost 1 AM here. I'm gonna need to head to bed soon. But first, I'm gonna make a sandwich.
 
@GeorgeM ok. Enjoy. You sound like California, not romania.
 
@Benjol The elections page's code is a bloody mess, I would've written it using something else next time :P
 
I had my one am sandwich after a movie that a relative was an exec producer on after talmud study after reporting to the police that my iMac was stolen. Looong day.
 
@Moshe California is about right; Its 12.40am in San Fran
 
7:41 AM
@YiJiang So. It worked. Who cares if it was a mess? Were you paid? No. (OK, so you care, but you still got it done)
 
@YiJiang yep. I'm on the east coast.
Oh, and yes, the elections page was nice.
is first realizing that his iMac is gone
 
@YiJiang, anyway, (if you'll forgive me the hubris of considering myself as your customer): The customer was satisfied
 
@Benjol Haha
 
@Benjol Hehe, so they were (enough to send me a T-shirt anyway) ;)
 
@YiJiang No fair, it was my idea :(
 
7:43 AM
@YiJiang cool which one did you get?
 
I wish it were California, specifically NorCal. Alas, it's the Pacific Northwest. Which is still milder than New York State.
 
@Moshe A Stack Overflow T-shirt
@Benjol Well, if I'd got paid for every one of my ideas... ;) But hey, you did get oodles of Meta rep :D
 
@YiJiang wha color? I just "ordered" one from (ping) @rebbeca for the clean/mobile css
 
@Moshe Hehehe, I choose white
 
@YiJiang, whiner alert:
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Q: New suspension message: "Grounded"

BenjolThis is a quiet lament for two apparently under-age users Benny & Nyusika7h who's accounts have been temporarily suspended. It would be nice to mark their accounts as "temporarily grounded", as they haven't actually done anything 'bad'. It would also be nice for the team to "add a nice word...

@YiJiang You got more :)
 
7:46 AM
@Benjol Come on, I did do more :P
 
@YiJiang Yeah, well, ok ;)
 
@Benjol nice question, +1
 
@Benjol Hmm...well, since when do kids get grounded for doing something good?
 
@YiJiang I got black cuz it doesnt stain as easily.
 
@GeorgeMarian Feel free to comment. As I said, it's just a little lament.
Curfewed? :)
 
7:50 AM
heh
 
@GeorgeM since doing good conflicts with the law.
 
That may work better.
 
Honestly, @Nyu did strike me as slightly immature sometimes, but no more so than a whole lot of the nerds who pass through here, and at least he capitalized his i's properly ;)
 
See who decided that they were being good? tries to drag out an exhausted conversation
 
@Moshe Nah, I was just referring to the notion of using "grounded" instead of "suspended." It had nothing to do w/ why they are suspended.
 
7:51 AM
Hehe nice dodge.
 
Personally, I think that seriously sucks for them. However, I can understand why SE doesn't want to deal w/ the whole rigamarole.
@Moshe heh I wanted to become a lawyer when I was young. Would've made a damned good one, too. Alas, I didn't want to be damned forever. ;)
 
I'm exhausted, but I want to continue this if you'd like. Not asking for a time or even a yes or no, just saying.
@GeorgeM hehe. Very good. Very good.
 
Oh, I'm sure we'll have occasion to debate again. :)
 
I don't believe in that either, btw.
I do believe in an afterlife, dependent on ones actions not on he "fate of mankind".
But anywhoo not for now.
 
You certainly have some interesting views. :)
Now, get some sleep. I know I need it. :P
 
7:55 AM
@GeorgeM I can see why you would think that. Yea me too. Going to dream about movie characters and stolen iMacs and someone waking me up. "You are late again..."
 
Zzzzz
 
BTW, sucks to hear that your iMac was lifted.
 
yep it does. Thank you.

*tries to excercise discipline*

Id love to chat more about that and how it plays into my religious beliefs but bed beckons. Gnite. :-)
 
@Moshe g'night
 
7:58 AM
closes safari mobile
 
Alright, I'm out as well. G'night everyone.
 
Night @GeorgeMarian
 
I hope thats not me :(
 
8:13 AM
@Reno Why is your age 16 on SO and 20 on MSO?
 
@YiJiang, +1 for your restraint during the previous debate, by the way.
 
@Benjol What debate?
 
The G-d debate.
 
Meh, I'm not getting into that one again. Surely explaining something as fundamental as evolution should be left to teachers
 
I just got a (fake) email : Japan government confirms radiation leak at Fukushima nuclear plants. Asian countries should take necessary precautions. If it rains, remain indoors first 24hours, close doors n windows, swab neck skin with beta-dine where thyroid area is, radiation hits thyroid first. Take extra precautions, radiation may hit Philippines starting 4pm (Pinas time) today!
 
8:18 AM
@Reno /facepalm WTF!!?
 
and its attributed to BBC .. facepalm.jpg
AND its from my girlfriend
some one troll somewhere must be laughing his ass off
 
as far as i know, only 30km around the the reactor
 
@SMark The 'wab neck skin with beta-dine' is completely useless
And rain has nothing to do with it
The advice is good if you're hit with a nuclear bomb
 
yeah, exactly
 
See George's starred link...
 
 
1 hour later…
9:29 AM
Question: should I prefix my localStorage keys with the name of my userscript, so they don't get interference?
 
@Benjol Yes, definitely
 
@YiJiang, rats, gonna have to do a retro-fit on my script then, so people don't lose their settings...
That means I'll have to push out at least 2 more versions...
 
9:41 AM
...wow
Blast from the past!
> You have 1 new comment. See your responses.
I haven't seen this message in ages.
...and it links to the envelope page, of all destinations
 
@badpssockpuppet Didn't the supercolliding dropdown kill that?
 
Not completely it seems
 
> This user is temporarily suspended and cannot chat for 309 days.
Ouch @Nyuszika7H
 
I know this is a dupe, but I can't find it:
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Q: Formatting bug causing code to not show up

GabeIn this post: Formatting Sandbox the preview shows code (stuff indented 4 spaces), while the regular page does not. Here's the text of the post (originally from a question I was editing on SO): i wrote sending email function that only work my debug mode(debug local server) when i publishing and ...

any idea?
 
9:57 AM
@balpha No, I don't think its a dupe, at least I haven't seen any reports like it
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A: Proposal: Free day in the visit log to account for the Oct 9th downtime

Jeff AtwoodMaybe someone should implement this. I wonder who that person would be? :)

^ lolololololol
 
anybody having a problem with data explorer?
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Q: Stack Exchange Data Explorer not fully working

tombull89Possibly an after-effect of this from yesterday linkage. So, in the SEDE and run a query. All OK. Next, run another (not logged in) and get a CAPTCHA request, apart from one small problem - no captcha is displayed. So I think "Fine, I'll log in". Sign in using my AOL OpenID, get this far: an...

the hell?
1
Q: Stack Exchange Data Explorer not fully working

tombull89Possibly an after-effect of this from yesterday linkage. So, in the SEDE and run a query. All OK. Next, run another (not logged in) and get a CAPTCHA request, apart from one small problem - no captcha is displayed. So I think "Fine, I'll log in". Sign in using my AOL OpenID, get this far: an...

 
@tombull89 Works for me, I just managed to get my comment score distribution off a query
@tombull89 Ddddddddddouble post!
 
@YiJiang, oh js guru, (even if you're not as smart as I think you are), can you tell me why the commented bit doesn't work here: jsfiddle.net/tzmmb/1
 
@YiJiang not double post for me, chat spazzed out (see timestamps on imgur.com/bKUL1.png)
 
@tombull89 Yeah, that's happened quite a few times before
 
10:02 AM
way to confuse a guy
 
Now then, @MarcGravell got here just in time... takes out sharp stick
@Benjol Why are you setting window.localStorage to your Storage object?
 
aha! I have my sharp-stick-proof underpants on today. Foiled!
 
@YiJiang what where?
 
@tombull89 Oops, fingers slipped
 
@YiJiang So the rest of the code doesn't have to change, of course... And so that it can't possibly write to the wrong place.
 
10:04 AM
Well that won't work, obviously
I mean, you can't override the browser's native objects... eh, maybe you can
 
Why not? I'm sure I've seen stuff like that done before. Is it protected?
 
But then how would you access localStorage after this then?
 
@YiJiang, via Storage.getItem
I'm not saying it's the right way to do it. Just the first way that came to mind :)
 
Well, if your purpose is maintain backward compatibility for everything else that's running in the same space as this script, then you totally failed
 
@balpha, how about this one? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/23822/…
 
10:08 AM
@YiJiang, hm, looks like it IS protected. Plan B.
 
@SMark no, that was explicitly about preview/final inconsistency when not having a newline before the <!-- language: xxx -->
@Benjol FWIW, it works for me (in Chrome). Though I agree, it's not really a good idea :)
 
@balpha It does? evil cackles
@balpha, are you sure? It doesn't explode, I know, but if you check in inspect resources, the keys don't have the prefix (at least they didn't for me);
 
oh, I didn't check that part
hang on
yep, you're right
 
If you think about it, protecting storage is pretty logical...
 
10:13 AM
 
@balpha, yup ;(
 
@Benjol Well, the language does let you redefine undefined (the variable), which could lead to all sort of weirdness
 
this works though:
not that you should do that...
 
@balpha, oops! V3 : jsfiddle.net/tzmmb/3
what's the js syntax for setItem/getItem via myStorage[key]?
 
10:34 AM
sigh Firefox 4's Win 7 theme is much better than the Gnome one
 
hmm, IE9, Chrome what-ever-we're-on-now or Firefox 4?
fires up a VM
 
@tombull89 IE9 goes out today, yes
Firefox 4 is in RC, which basically means feature lock
 
I've used IE 7-8 and that's what I've just got used to.
 
@tombull89 Ack! IE! runs away
 
previous jobs I've been forced to use it but now I could have the choice >:D
I would have used chrome but it doesn't like the proxy when it tries to download.
 
11:36 AM
Arrrgh
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Q: What topics can be discussed here?

0xA3Can someone please explain what happened to the discussion threads about the new/removed "recent" feature? For the ones not knowing what I am talking about you will still find the topic in Google's cache: Eeeek! What happened to my envelope? Should this topic no longer be discussed? How is...

The way this whole envelope thing is being discussed is not productive at all
The discussion wasn't productive
Jeff's deleting it wasn't productive either, and is going to create even more outrage
How do we get out of this mess?
Hi @Nyuszika7H, so your chat account survived?
 
@Pekka Well no, it didn't
 
He can't talk?
 
He still appears here, but he can't talk
 
Oh man
that stinks
 
Like how Evan likes to drop in from time to time
 
11:39 AM
Several things have gone very wrong on SO the past few days
 
@Pekka He could apologies for not handling it correctly, and start afresh given how that thread has half of the complains already fixed, so its too messy to continue
 
the envelope discussion, and this
@YiJiang I don't even expect an apology - that is really hard when 300 people cry bloody murder, I can understand that somewhat. Just getting on a more constructive track would be enough for me already
 
I thought the envelope question should have been closed - at the very least re-worded and cleaned up so that all the good bits were in there.
Not deleted though - doesn't make sense
 
@Pekka The problem was that half the question got filled up with things that were implemented almost as soon as people complained about. Really very stupid to remove first, then fix things slowly
 
@Barry yeah. Deleting that question is bound to add more oil to the fire
@YiJiang yeah, that was not clever at all
 
11:46 AM
Yup - the question was a mess. Best thing would have been to lock it and post new questions with the relevant details. Those questions could have then been marked as status-completed or feature-request
That way everyone would be able to see what was wrong, what had been fixed and what was in the pipeline.
 
Not to labour a point, but re-read my posts here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/76333/… perception is everything
Locking a post when people are accusing you of being a dictator is not a great idea...
4
 
@Benjol Agreed - but if they edited in links to the new questions at the top it would be ok?
 
@Barry Of course. Transparency is everything. Stifling dissent isn't.
"This is my site and I'm doing what I want" is antinomic with "By the community, for the community"
 
@Benjol Well, it depends on what sort of perception you want to generate ;) "Yes, I am the dictator, and here's the proof!"
 
There was too much nonsense and people getting over emotional in that question. Splitting it out in to "useful" questions should have been the way to go not just deleting it because you are in charge :-/
 
11:59 AM
This is cruel, but I wonder if @Nyu, as an Asperger's, might have been well placed to give us some insight into some of these decisions...
 
I can has needs help?
I need something like this. Since the AskUbuntu guys are fine with *-rec questions, you can also get reps for it.
@GeorgeMarian I like #24 particularly.
 
that "Eeeek! What happened to my envelope?" question was deleted?
 
@tombull89 Apparently
 
12:16 PM
@YiJiang wow...just...wow.
site changes: yer doin' it wrong.
I thought the whole point of meta was to sort this out.
 
@badpssockpuppet You meant @Reno...
 
user image
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Seriously, you guys do have some idea about how this gigantic space is going to be filled... right?
 
yes please :)
 
@Pekka He deleted it? sighs
 
@YiJiang I don't know what's happening, but team@ do seem to be acting weirdly. Half-assed modifications to the site. Removing stuff
 
12:30 PM
@Benjol You mean @TimStone?
 
@YiJiang, no, I meant you. I mean, we're used to slightly more 'polished' new stuff.
 
@Benjol Definitely. The graph was slightly broken, but no real reason to remove it, as far as I can see
 
It's like new management has moved in and is striding round with a loaded pistol saying "get productive or you're dead meat!"
"Yes boss, anything you say boss" commit, commit, commit
 
stress ? something is going on there .. or maybe they are warming up for April 1
 
@Reno Oh? In that case that space really is going to be filled with unicorns
 
12:32 PM
@Reno, they're getting their users warmed up, in any case!
 
@YiJiang Why not? It didn't work and was taking up space. Makes enough sense to me. Maybe they should work on it and bring it back, of course, but otherwise meh.
 
@TimStone Its a great way to visualize rep changes - look at the rep tab now - its essentially one large spreadsheet. And you know what goes well with spreadsheets? Graphs. Mmmhmmmm...
 
Yes, graphs that work. Graphs that don't caused bitching and whining and I wouldn't want to continue to listen to it either :P
 
That flot doesn't work as well as you'd like it is a technical problem. There's a ton of graph solutions out there, take any one of them and integrate it
@TimStone I don't hear any of the whiners asking to remove it
 
@YiJiang Yeah, even draw a bar chart with divs :)
 
12:35 PM
No, but now they don't have anything to whine about. It's not so trivial just to drop something in there. :/
Well, they can whine about it being gone, but less people seem to be doing that than the ones who whined about it not working so far.
 
@TimStone @balpha spent an afternoon and dropped in a static Google charts solution
Come on, its really not that hard
 
Do you run SO? :P
 
@TimStone I know enough programming to know its not too hard
 
Anyway, did anyone make a suggestion for bringing it back with a specific implementation that would work?
 
@TimStone Too messy; there was a few dupes that were flying around that all got closed; now I'm unsure if there's a left
 
12:38 PM
I suppose now that the "main" topic was deleted, there's not much left to close as a duplicate of, so that might not be a bad idea if there's not one already floating around.
 
Anyway, I'm wary of posting s, the changes are still ongoing
 
Nick said to post then, so meh. shrugs
If he's the one tasked with making the profile page work, I wouldn't be too concerned about whether or not Jeff agrees.
 
Weird, I've just noticed on my prefs page that I've got "I'd like email notifications of activity on questions I've asked" checked. I'm pretty sure I've never ever received an email...
 
:o
 
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Q: Please make the default view on the reputation page be a shorter period of time

Grace NoteThe new reputation page has an interesting quirk that it allows spans much greater than the old 90 day limit we used to have. It also provides data in a slightly more condensed fashion, though equally with more words. The problem is that it defaults to showing your entire history. I can't actual...

@Grace has done it for you
installing balpha's script now
 
12:54 PM
@Benjol Waffles has already indicated that this is planned
 
Nice script of balpha's...
 
1:13 PM
does this display as an 'x' inside a <= shaped thing for any of you?
or is it the wrong codepoint?
 
displays as a rather small "DEL" for me.
 
It's tiny; I can't see any detail
 
DEL
 
oh, 'DEL' in tiny diagonal print?
 
@badpssockpuppet, DEL for me too
 
1:15 PM
I'm looking for that unicode codepoint that looks like an × in a <= shaped thing.
 
bawwh @Benjol beat me by seconds.
 
@tombull89 haha, and I'm supposed to be working
 
1:15 PM
That works
 
this should do
 
that's a square (to me)
 
wonders what @badpssockpuppet is scheming
 
@Benjol same :P
 
'ERASE TO THE RIGHT', U+2326
sigh
It's okay, so long as it displays for me it's cool :P
 
1:29 PM
yawns and eats Snickers
 
My throw-away answer got voted up...
 
Throw-away answer?
 
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A: What topics can be discussed here?

BenjolPerception is everything Deleting a post when people are accusing you of not listening to them is not a great idea...

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Ah :P
Man, my flag weight really took a beating from Marc's maths recalc.
 

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