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4:00 PM
whatever happened to good ole store names like "home depot", "office depot" and the like, so I could filter those out ... glad there's not a national brand store "train depot" or "train wreck"
@Nyuszika7H yes yes, you're very clever. Now stop.
 
@drachenstern yes yes, I'm very clever. Now stop.
 
 
OH LOOK, A KRISPY KREEME HAS ARRIVED!!!
 
@drachenstern After the first time you ignore someone, it gets a lot easier to add people to the list.
 
:O
 
4:06 PM
I hope you brought enough for everyone @Donut!
 
@PopularDemand zomg wow lol
 
lol
 
status-donut-time
 
Tried that once, they were gone well before 11:00
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@Donut and this is ASCII art of me reaching for the donut
 
4:07 PM
Seeing that gravatar all day is going to make me very sad
 
@MichaelMrozek I know, same here
 
@Donut: I approve of your gravatar.
 
A wild Krispy Kreme appeared!
Tom used eat.
It's super effective!
Kreme got eat.
 
@Donut i just want to eat you all up .. wait what
 
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@Donut is never going to come back into The Tavern after this experience, LOL
 
4:09 PM
 
@PopularDemand DO WANT!
 
@TheRenamedException Nah, I feel loved and wanted
 
Ooh, there's a Krispy Kreme near my office!
 
Good! You'll fit in nicely here. Most "normal" people would be very afraid, but we dislike these "normal" people in this room ;-)
 
"it is too late to edit this message" wha wha wha?! why give me the option then?
also, yay, first starred message
 
@TheRenamedException That is a thing of beauty.
 
@TheRenamedException I hate you
 
Is there a standard schedule, or do you just have to camp out outside the store until you feel the warm, warm neon glow?
 
Indeed
@MichaelMrozek I hate myself right now ;-)
@PopularDemand You can call them :-)
Must go when the HOT sign is lit
soooooooooo goooooooooooooood
 
[tag:Josh] [tag:TheRenamedException] [tag:RebeccaChernoff-AKA-rchern]
Hmm.
 
4:13 PM
Damn that almost worked
status-i-am-rcherns-sockpuppet
 
@TheRenamedException Meh. I brought lunch today. And I'm busy writing documentation for something I'm unfamiliar with (again).
 
@PopularDemand I am working from home today; the Krispy Kreme is downtown :-(
I will be going this weekend though :-D
 
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4:14 PM
@Nyuszika7H you should really hang out at sandbox
 
@TheRenamedException Remember: you want your wallet to be thick and your arteries to be clear, not the other way around.
 
sorry
 
@PopularDemand Everything in moderation...
 
@PopularDemand So you're saying now I have two problems? ;-)
 
@Nyuszika7H no probs, it kind of breaks the chat flow here :)
 
4:18 PM
@TheRenamedException No, you're working at home today. After the weekend, though....
 
@PopularDemand good point :-)
 
Ugh, hungry...Hope this meeting isn't too long.
 
@TheRenamedException HOW TO GET KRSPY CREAMS WIT REGEXES PLZSENDT3HDONUTZ ← now you have three problems
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Chrome's Developer Tools has just crashed!
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4:36 PM
@PopularDemand I'm going to start tagging posts PLZSENDT3HDONUTZ
 
@MichaelMrozek You will have all my votes come next moderator election.
I approve of candidates that are pro-donut.
 
@Donut I don't think there are any anti-donut candidates. None stupid enough to say so publicly, anyway
 
@MichaelMrozek Oh, they're all donut-loving, family-friendly patriots at first... but then they get corrupted while in office by the powerful, if shadowy, bagel lobby.
@Donut Not if someone gets cracking on my bug report.
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A: Odd upvoting patterns

Popular DemandOh, is this where we submit bug reports? I have one too. I voted for three candidates in the recent mod election, but none of them won. What's the point of voting if people I didn't vote for end up winning? Please fix this ASAP.

 
leaves for a hour
 
4:55 PM
 
Maybe they're having some server issues today. SO was doing the same thing earlier
 
@TimPost yeah but it's not on the blog. If only there was a channel or two where it would be easy to get information from people in the know ...
paging @waffles @balpha @Zypher
 
status-by-design
 
@Zypher but what's happening that it's up and down so frequently lately? are ya'll updating stuff?
 
4:57 PM
what's up and down?
 
@Zypher YOUR SERVERS! ;-)
 
meta, then so, then meta, then so
we're all noticing it during 9-5 ET
 
well ... meta -test change, so -make change, met -test change
 
but it's momentary redirects
ok, so we must just be unlucky (and frequent enough users to actually hit those times)
 
yea, also we are doing alot of improvments since the new year
 
5:00 PM
Ok, well thanks for the status update
we'll quit bothering you now
 
yea
meta should be back in a bit
 
@drachenstern maybe we will ;-)
 
oh, new question: do ya'll have some sort of internal notification mechanism that when we flag you guys somebody always answers pretty damn quick.
 
@Zypher! I AM BOTHERING YOU NOW!
 
status-panic
 
5:01 PM
(this is a stupid idea of mine ;-)
 
@drachenstern i don't BELEIEVE THAT for a second
 
or is it just that you guys are as frequent users as we are?
 
@Zypher smart man ;-)
 
@Zypher well I can claim it and make you feel better^Wwarm and fuzzy.
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Q: Is "theoretical" computer science too narrow?

Joel SpolskyThe CS Theory Stack Exchange is humming along nicely. It's a terrific, robust, and growing community that is clearly making an increasing contribution to the state of CS Theory research. Something we keep thinking about, though, in the context of the entire Stack Exchange network, is how broad a...

 
@drachenstern we are pretty much always on at least the meta.so chat
food
 
5:02 PM
That's good. Also note that Jeff has ESP :p
OH: "There's a fine line between too much tequila and not enough."
 
SO says this is one of my top tags:
 
5:17 PM
@DanGrossman did you look at this page? stackoverflow.com/tags/mysql-error-1064/topusers
 
:lol:
 
Thanks for the backpack recommendations. My phone died earlier so I couldn't respond. I kinda forgot about the Appe Store selling backpacks, @Reno. Not sure if that was a serious post though.
@drachenstern I did miss the culture reference and I don't want a messenger bag, I find that most messenger bags hang too low. It is a cool bag though, just not my style.
@DanG interesting.
 
I need one more accepted answer and I can call it a day
 
@Moshe I knew there was likely to be a cultural disconnect, so I made sure to link you to those. BoH is actually quite a prevalent concept in "our" culture (nerds and CS) so you should be aware of it. However, I encourage you to consider the BoH. It does have an adjustable shoulder strap. But it's the containability of the thing that you really want to look at and evaluate as appropriate for what you're trying to figure out.
 
Do all good backpacks cost more that 40-50 dollars?
 
5:22 PM
Also, where the hell are the requirements for what you need in a backpack?
@Moshe no, they cost more than $100 USD normally
 
Sorry, @drach. I forgot. A spec. Heh, silly me. One sec.
 
ok, excluding the purchasing from an online retailer at a less than brick&mortar cost
@Moshe yeah, how silly that us programmers and developers want a spec to work off of :p
 
I want a backpack that I can wear and use both hands while waering it. (I find messages bags and single strap backpacks tend to make it difficult to be active while wearing them. It becomes a balancing act.)
 
@drachenstern I'm disappointed that @Zypher didn't simply say something like "we see everything!"
 
I need space for my MacBook.
 
5:24 PM
@RebeccaChernoff I think Jeff does so he didn't want to imply that you all have the same abilities as Jeff :p
 
Water bottle pocket that doesn't easily tear or drop the bottle.
 
I swear the man is faster than my brain at times on doing things
 
And I am starting college soon and will need space. Lots of space.
Oh and bonus points if it has a way to carry an umbrella or tripod too.
</spec>
 
still recommends any Targus backpack for that
 
@DanG Noted, thank you.
@drachenstern - After reading the first reference link, Mary Poppins' purse comes to mind.
It's just a different name for the same concept.
@Reno what makes you say that that backpack is good? What do you like about it? What don't you like about it?
 
5:36 PM
@Moshe oddly enough, I never had this problem in particular. However, I also used a bag similar in capacity to the BoH and managed to keep my entire life centered on that bag, so maybe there was a physical balancing mirroring the mental balancing
 
There we go, got my last accept
 
@Moshe she's explictly mentioned in the tvtropes link
@DanGrossman Yatta!
 
I earned 930 reputation today, of which SO allowed me to keep 500, with no bounties
 
ha!
@Moshe allow me to post that all as one post for ease of reading
 
Ok.
 
5:42 PM
1. I find messages bags and single strap backpacks tend to make it difficult to be active while wearing them. It becomes a balancing act. Therefore I want a two shoulder backpack, that I can wear and use both hands while wearing it.
2. I need a padded space for my MacBook, its charger, and the associated cords that I have absolutely no idea how many I'll be carrying at one time because I've never had a good backpack before. I'm also forgetting my headphones and USB disks.
3. I am starting college soon and will need space for at least a full load of college books and notepaper and pens. At l
Please read and review and see if it meets what you need
I'll look and see what the bag I have at home is. You really need one like it.
^^^^^ see the style of that pencil bag? You need one of those. Not that particular one (it's $30, I gave $4 for mine)
 
Haha, if that fits in my bak pocket too, +1^n
 
status-you-carry-a-purse
 
Well, 2^n actually.
 
@DanGrossman that's just for my damned pencils man (in my backpack) ... that's not a purse
 
@drach yea the spec looks about right. My current backpack was alright, just add durability to that list.
 
5:46 PM
@Moshe yeah, strap durability is my current problem
Also note the things that I know from experience that you don't ;) :p
 
Last thing, I like pockets over a large mess.
 
@Moshe who doesn't?
 
I noticed, thank you, @drach.
 
@Moshe also, see Bag of Holding :p
 
Ok will look.
 
5:47 PM
Hi there! :)
 
Anybody heard of Jansport?
 
@Moshe of course
that's like the goto here in the US for backpacks that aren't for specialty
 
So perhaps I should look at their stuff. I am in the US.
 
jansport = will last you a year then it falls apart, built for kids
there's a reason they're $25 while a laptop bag is $100
 
5:52 PM
@Nyuszika7H as a math question? Since it's repeated multiplication, and assuming there's no operand to the left of the presented question, it's 1
@Nyuszika7H as a chart, that's interesting
 
@drachenstern It's a math question, and yeah, it's
status-correct
 
ok, I should do lunch now
bbiab
 
> Violent decapitations and permanent paralysis due to severing of the spinal cord are among the reasons cited by the Chrysler Corporation for its decision to recall all '97 automobiles containing the "neckbelts" safety feature.
> Accidents may result in "crushed trachea, severe spinal and/or brain damage, and, in the most severe cases, sudden defenestration of the head area, as the entire region above the neck separates from the upper body, flying at tremendous speed through the breakaway glass of the windshield, rolling several yards into the street directly in front of the car," the Chrysler press release stated.
(tbh, GLaDOS delivered this line better.)
> Please be advised that a noticeable taste of blood is not part of any test protocol, but is an unintended side effect of the Aperture Science Material Emancipation Grid, which may, in semi-rare cases, emancipate dental fillings, crowns, tooth enamel and teeth.
 
6:00 PM
Ok bbiab.
 
6:17 PM
Working with a 7 month old on your lap is difficult.
 
@mootinator Yeah, laptops get outdated quick these days.
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Correction, two 7 month olds on your lap.
 
status-order-pizza
 
status-baking-mini-pigs-in-a-blanket
 
6:33 PM
blink
 
@DanGrossman okay I think I need to go get lunch now
 
Hehe, Related tags:
 
6:48 PM
My first Chrome App Store download... SourceKit, an in-browser editor that saves to DropBox
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sesame bagel and low fat cream cheese
nom nom nom, low-fat cream cheese tastes... different.
 
7:03 PM
Eat the full fat stuff. It's better for you anyway. Fat's not the problem.
 
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A: So, uh, "photo.se" is a valid domain name....

Robert CartainoTo avoid the confusion, I started abbreviating the site names as: Photo-SE Webapps-SE Gaming-SE Cooking-SE Let's see how that goes. That should avoid the confusion with the domain name, across the network.

 
@DanGrossman I eat low fat for the flavor. </lie>
 
He recommends eating fat. Lots of it. Pure lard even.
 
@DanGrossman I find that eating small amounts and chewing thoroughly is most effective.
 
> Amazon Sales Rank: #1 in Books > Health, Mind & Body > Nutrition
 
7:09 PM
It's incredible how often nutrition research determines that everything everyone believes is exactly the opposite of reality. Over and over again
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The room description should be changed to "Backbacks, bagels and donuts".
 
It'd be like scientists suddenly announcing that in fact the sun revolves around the earth. And then next week switching back
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The problem is nutrition stuff is rarely based on actual science
 
bbiab
@DanGrossman Of course, it's about self control. If you put a lot into your body and sloth around, it builds up.
 
@DanGrossman And it's almost always one size fits all.
 
7:11 PM
@mootinator speaking of sizes. :-D
 
@Moshe Totally untrue. Buy the book, you are part of the problem.
 
@DanGrossman Eh, okay. I'm not promising to buy the book, but I'll give it a look on amazon.
 
That is the antithesis.
 
@DanGrossman Okay, give me an elevator pitch.
 
7:14 PM
@Dan thanks. Reading that and shopping for a backpack. bbiab
 
@DanGrossman Why are you so convinced that that book is right and everyone else is wrong? (I haven't read it myself, it just seems to me at first glance that you're buying into a theory just as much as anyone; merely a different theory.)
 
Because this book has a theory, whereas everyone else is the equivalent of the conversation at the end
The experts: Obesity is caused by over-eating, by consuming more calories than are expended. There’s no getting around the first law of thermodynamics.

Us: But all that law says is that if somebody gets fat, they have to consume more calories then they expend. So why do they do that?

The experts: Because they do.

Us: That’s not a good enough answer.
The experts: Well, maybe they can’t help themselves.

Us: Why can’t they help themselves?

The experts: Because they can’t.

Us: That’s not a good enough answer either.
The experts: Because the food industry makes them do it. There’s so much good food around and it’s so tasty, they can’t help but eat it.

Us: But obviously some of us can, because we don’t all get fat. Why is it only some people can’t help themselves?

The experts: Because they can’t.

Us: Try again.

The experts: Well, it’s complicated.
Us: So what do all those have to do with eating too much and the laws of thermodynamics?

Experts: They contribute to making fat people overeat.

Us: How do they do that?

The experts: We don’t know. It’s complicated.

Us: Then maybe there’s another way to look at it. Maybe when we get fat it’s because those physiological, metabolic and genetic factors you mentioned are dysregulating our fat tissue, driving it to accumulate too much fat, and that’s why we eat so much and appear — to you anyway — to be kind of lazy. We’re compensating for the loss of calories into our fat.
 
What experts? That sounds like demagoguery.
 
Everyone else. Really. :P
What mainstream arguments have you heard other than "obesity is caused by consuming more calories than are expended"?
 
Okay. Again, not saying you're wrong, I'm just not convinced that you're right, either.
 
7:17 PM
You don't have to be, I just like to cheerlead.
 
I didn't know that calorie thing was a mainstream argument. I don't pay much attention to obesity.
 
I'm pretty sure the "calories in, calories out" argument is bogus, simply because there's no real science behind it, and some people should start looking at what actually happens in our body at the chemical level before coming up with nutritional guidelines
FDA recommendations boil down to correlation studies... track 1000 people, if more of them eat a lot of salt and gain weight, reduce the recommended sodium intake this year
 
@DanGrossman Interesting... source?
 
Honestly, I don't think they even have one I can quote you. The FDA recommended reducing sodium intake this year. Their recommendation makes no references to any studies, just to a report published by the Institute of Medicine. That report's brief mentions no actual studies of health, but instead graphs tracking sodium in food products eaten by various age groups over time.
There's no science in our nutrition science :/
 
Exercise gives me low blood sugar headaches.
 
7:25 PM
wait, DNF is finally out for sure?
 
Wouldn't regular aerobic exercise cause one to produce less insulin?
 
I have only one thing to say to this whole diet deal.
Less gluten. More protein.
 
That's basically the recommendation of that book.
 
7:27 PM
@DanGrossman What a shame. If only they'd wait three more years, they could have even better graphics.
 
If they wait ten...
 
@ChrisJesterYoung MORE FOOD!
 
@PopularDemand Yeah, I mean, the game won't even come in holographic wide screen 4D?
that technology was right behind the corner!
 
does anybody know the source attribution on that?
 
try tineye?
 
7:32 PM
@badp good call
 
Anyone have tutorials on vi?
I'm looking for keyboard shortcuts, ways move around quickly.
 
@Moshe there are plenty of those, hold
 
@drachenstern Thank you.
 
happened to be in my favorites.
I haven't used vi in several years, though.
 
@drachenstern Okay, thank you for that room. Hang on.
Thanks @mmyers and @drachenstern for the vi tutorials.
 
Yo mama.
 
7:50 PM
@mootinator Yeah, she called. Said to tell you to just stay home next time. ;)
That may not be how you saw that going, but I thought it was funny
 
Mmmm, chili on the stove, and finalizing a new release of one of my libraries, looking like a good evening so far :)
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@LasseVKarlsen Sure sounds like it.
 
My magical excel reporting library is complete.
 
@mootinator Yatta!
 
Course, the report itself is still 233 lines of code.
 
7:52 PM
@badp it didn't know
 
@LasseVKarlsen Norwegian chili? What's that like?
Does it involve fish?
 
no fish :)
 
I swear I could sell these stupid utilities I write if only I could find suckers to buy them.
 
@mootinator I believe that is the general concept, yes.
 
I suppose having them being exclusively licensed to the person paying me doesn't help.
 
7:56 PM
There, pushed and merged everything into stable :)
 
@mootinator that's usually the biggest hindrance, yes
 
Anyone familiar with NuGet here?
creating packages for it that is
 
@LasseVKarlsen Mmm, nougat wrapped in protective chocolate packaging.
Sorry, what were you saying?
 
right... :)
just have to wait for my build server to verify everything and I can create new zip files and finalize the releases
just wondering if I can release both 1.1 and 2.0 of my library on NuGet at the same time, or if I have to create a new id for 2.0
or if I just skip 1.1 for NuGet and go straight to 2.0, but it has breaking API changes...
 

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