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10:00 AM
status-thisstillworks
ha
 
how do you add images?
 
Is it normal for my gravatar to disappear from the user list?
wait, it's back again now
 
If it isn't obviously an image, then start it with !
 
repro
 
whoa... that first appeared as a link, then eventually turned into an image after a few seconds....
 
10:03 AM
@CraigTP: it's turned into an image by the client when the server confirms the message was successfully posted.
 
I see.. That explains the slight "lag".
 
@CraigTP - actually, that is because I edited it
Originally it didn't look like an image (didn't end in an obvious extension). So I prefixed it with !
 
@Marc: if I change the address at the top and then click the back button, when I arrive back here my gravatar isn't visible until I write a message. Also, everyone's gravatar is greyed out even if they've been active in the last few minutes.
 
Gonna have to take away your back button, then!
ok; I'll look at that.
 
Ahh...It's all making sense now.. That also explains the little pencil mark... Fair do's, it was a gravatar link after all so not an obvious .jpg etc.
 
10:06 AM
That bouncing gravatar is stupid!
BTW, no one contacted me, as far as I can see
 
The other option (with gravatar) is to append ?.jpg or something
 
And can the focus be reset at the message box after pressing send
 
@Marcel (tests)
 
what is with those access denied rooms? chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/1
 
I see what you mean re focus; tbh I just press enter
 
10:07 AM
Yes, now it is
Just pressing enter?
Ah
 
There are some rooms where we can go to gossip about you all...
 
I don't even understand why the send button exists :-P
 
For people who love mice?
 
basically: moderator rooms. When troll-stomping, it is sometimes useful to check how we want to handle something.
 
Or for people who use an on-screen keyboard, I guess :-P
 
10:09 AM
The screen ‘blinking’ after sending a message is rather annoying. Is it only me (FF in Linux) or do others see the same effect?
 
whoa there's a send button
 
But overall: this looks very nice!
 
Jeff keeps telling me that it is because I have spent too long working in "chat", but I now really struggle to post comments in SO; I keep pressing enter and staring at the screen waiting for it to appear.
 
@MarcGravell :)
It is kind of illogical; in a text box pressing <key>enter</key> just starts a new line in every other app
 
@Juha - FAQ was fixed a little while ago, btw
@Marcel - cmd.exe?
 
10:12 AM
Ehm, I'm on Linux, so cmd.exe won't do much
@Marc Oh, you mean on the command line?
 
ok, then; does your command/shell of choice respond to enter?
 
Yes, but I meant text boxes like <textarea>s…
 
meh ;p
 
Why doesn't the chat use long-polling? Now it sends POST request every second
(remember POST is more costly than GET)
 
post isn't any more costly than get if you control the server side
 
10:17 AM
because this also works. Our transport and data-processing is divorced, so we can change that later if needed. We also have some tricks in there.
 
> It is kind of illogical; in a text box pressing <key>enter</key> just starts a new line in every other app
not in chat applications
 
And btw, if it is every second you have a few tabs ;p
 
@AndyE'shead Yeah, that's true
 
so, marc, how's the xmpp gateway going? :)
 
@Marcel - I also see a "flicker" from time to time... Firefox 3.8.6 on Windows 7.
Firefox 3.6.8 that should be....Rather than a version from the future! :)
 
10:18 AM
@Craig I suppose you meant 3.6.8?
 
@Greg I think we're still gauging the level of desire on that one. I did have a look to see what would be involved, but nothing coded to date.
 
Test key formatting: <kbd>Enter</kbd>
awwww
 
oohh... xmpp. I like the sound of that.
 
status-fail
 
[how-do-you-add-those-tags?]
 
10:19 AM
status-owned
 
I would use XMPP over this. Honestly, chat in a browser doesn't feel right.
 
(kbd) Actually, we do have the css styles (we use them in the FAQ); but at the moment we only really support mini-markdown
 
@marc is the mobile version ready to test?
 
@Thomas - If nothing else it'll stop the debate of "should enter start a new line or submit the chat" ! ;)
 
10:20 AM
Mobile has been improved. Feel free to try it.
 
@Greg Voted! :)
 
I just can't see myself leaving a browser window open just for chat. On the other hand, xmpp would let me use my instant collaboration mechanism of choice to participate here regularly
 
heh. Enter should submit. In fact, the text box should be smaller. When I see a text box this big, I feel like I can write more. But really, in a chat, messages should be short and simple (because if they aren't, people who reader at a slower pace or are actively doing other things will have a hard time).
What does the dotted line mean?
 
Multi-line now supported?
Test
yay
 
We tweaked that
for code snippets you indent
like
this
 
10:23 AM
new Boolean(false)
 
print "hello world"
 
except I'm still tweaking out some bug in there
 
qq
aqasas
Shift-Enter allows multiple lines before submitting! :)
 
I was just about to ask that.
Is it the usual 4 spaces?
 
print "hello world"
 
10:23 AM
yes; or ctrl+k
 
yeah, 4 seems to work
 
ok. I actually have to get ready for work...but code snippits in chat? -_- Not sure how well that'll go over. As long as people don't paste massive code blocks, it'll probaby be fine.
 
@CraigTP Ah, like 'normal' chat apps
 
muti-line

Test
 
Should the formatting of code blocks be different?
 
10:24 AM
we handle over-long posts ;p
 
@MarcelKorpel - Well, I actually agree with Thomas and can't quite get my head around chatting in a browser window (as cool as this chat app is).
 
@Marcel - are you not seeing fixed-width for some of them?
 
so is there a way to turn of that annoying whistle whenever anybody says anything?
 
hmm, but you can't post code at the same time as unformatted
 
@Marc Nope
 
10:25 AM
@Andy You can do inline ones of course...
 
var test;
 
but otherwise; multiple messages
 
The font is getting smaller, but the same
 
What browser etc?
 
(and there's extra padding)
FF 3.6.8 / Linux
Hmmm, <pre> had font-family: -moz-fixed
 
10:26 AM
it is a <pre> - curious. That should be monospace, surely.
 
@Marc, using backticks, I assume?
 
@Andy yes
 
Hmm, using backticks
 
@Marcel - I can try making it explicit monospace...
or maybe <pre><code>
 
Oh wait, it's in <System>'s CSS
That's why I can't edit it
So that's a problem in my system
 
10:28 AM
I actually never knew they had a name, I always called it "that thing under tilde"
 
status-points-finger
 
(I've seen that before; code blocks in <pre> not getting monospaced)
@MarcGravell :)
 
@MarcG: is there an API for chat?
 
Not at the moment. If we do xmpp (and that isn't a promise) I expect that'll be it. I think this came up as a meta question last time.
 
Hmm, sirens here, strange
 
10:30 AM
just wondering what my options are to get me out of this web browser window :)
 
Chrome application shortcuts?
 
As long as it had all the same throttling...I could argue against an API based on spam ability, but a user script could do that all the same, so I see no reason not to have one
If you guys had the time, that is :)
 
Nice the gravatar gets larger when there are more text lines
But what happens if there are 10 lines in a box?
Very large gravatar?
We'll see
Oh, my rep appears
 
that's it, you get rep too :)
nothing larger after that
 
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10:33 AM
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What about the reputation caching?
Just going to sync more often or pull it live at some point?
I guess it doesn't matter if there aren't features you access at various levels
 
updates every hour, or at fresh login
@Marcel is having fun getting past the de-dup, obviously ;p
 
#Code
#Block
#Test
#To
#See
#Rep
don't think the hourly rep's working, that seems to be last login only
 
@MarcGravell The what? De-dup?
 
@Nick you can use logout to force it
but don't!
wait two seconds; I'll check your record
 
10:37 AM
i can leave this hanging open, i actually have to run, 100 mile drive into work in a bit :)
 
 _ __ ___   ___   ___
| '_ ` _ \ / _ \ / _ \
| | | | | | (_) | (_) |
|_| |_| |_|\___/ \___/
whee
 
oh sorry @marc, 160km :)
 
your rep looks right to me
 
look at the chat message I posted, Nick Craver 939
 
10:38 AM
Ah; let me explain - the client doesn't bother updating
 
that pulling from a different spot?
ah gotcha
pulling rep from the avatar data node?
 
No; I see "Nick Craver 1011"
 
/me <3 the @username tab-completion; reminds me of my shell ;)
 
if you F5 that'll be up to date. The server knows that you have more.
 
gotcha, so the client gets avatars when they log in and that's it for the session?
 
10:39 AM
@Marcel - in a good way, I hope?
 
Yes, sure!
 
@Nick, well - when it first needs to know about each user.
 
It felt as a revelation, ±10 years ago
 
What's the new /tag functionality?
 
gotcha
alrighty I have to run, again great work on this!
 
10:40 AM
You tell me; that is @waffles' area
new /tag functionality - big money! big prizes! I love it!
 
Oh yeah, my coffee is getting cold and I have still work to do, so I'm off, too
 
@MarcG: might want to have those links properly uri encoded :p
 
(Nice animation, BTW)
 
hmmm yes, that sounds like a plan, doesn't it?
 
10:42 AM
Hmm, it looks like it recognized @Marc as me (same as in comments?)
 
@Marcel: I just typed @Marc first, then realized that would alert you too so I edited it to @MarcG. I suppose I should just use the tabs :-P
 
If someone says @Marc, then yes we're both matches - the same as on SO; however, @MarcGravell or @MarcG is just me.
tab is easier, yes ;p
 
It just seems a bit too formal using full names :-P
 
@AndyE'shead I yes, I see
 
I'd much rather be @Andy than @AndyE'shead
 
10:43 AM
This tab-functionality should be in comments, too :P
 
Loving the current meta page not found image
 
dammit; url encoding glitch is not an obvious one; that'll be fun to unpick
it looks like it should be right
 
I wonder what will happen if I act all excited and post a link right after a sentence I'm expressing the aforementioned excitement in!google.co.uk
ha, good work :-)
 
/tag
still don't know what /tag you're all talking about :(
 
@AndyE'shead Strange, I see this one:
 
10:49 AM
ahah! found my bug in the multi-line handling ;p
 
mmm... keyboard waffles...
 
Oh, in chat.meta.stackoverflow.com
 
@Marcel: yeah, should have clarified :-)
@MarcGravell: even with URI encoding it fails because the correct link doesn't have the / in it. It should be chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/90/new-tag-functionality
 
Oh, I know *that*; I'm just not sure why it is doing that ;p
trying a fix
about to push...
 
10:54 AM
The ‘transcript’ link has an incorrect title attr, I suppose
 
picky, picky!
new /tag functionality - big money! big prizes! I love it!
happy now?
 
... and the search link is missing a title.
 
working on it...
 
@MarcGravell: moderately :-P
By the way, I think your auto-complete needs to ignore word boundaries like commas and colons, @MarcGravell.
For example, if I choose a name followed by a colon and then realize I chose the wrong name and go back to correct it, pressing the tab key will autocomplete the name but remove the colon following it.
 
And it would be nice to be able to click on the star, when there already is one (like in Andy's message above)
 
11:01 AM
You can click on the right, but I see what you mean
 
@Marc On the left, you mean?
 
no, on the right; "starred" panel
if it is silver, you haven't starred it. Click on the silver
 
Oh, I see
 
@Richard / @Marcel - F5 for title fixes
 
@MarcGravell: confirmed fixed.
 
11:04 AM
@MarcGravell That's quick!
 
Thanks
 
multi
line

with
spaces

now
fixed
which means I can demonstrate the oversize handling...
@Marcel: yeah, should have clarified :-)
@MarcGravell: even with URI encoding it fails because the correct link doesn't have the / in it. It should be chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/… ✎

Marc Gravell
11:53
Oh, I know *that*; I'm just not sure why it is doing that ;p
trying a fix
about to push...

Marcel Korpel
The ‘transcript’ link has an incorrect title attr, I suppose

Marc Gravell
picky, picky!
new /tag functionality - big money! big prizes! I love it!
happy now?

Richard
... and the search link is missing a title.
so you can't spam too much in a single snippet.
 
Wow, looks nice! Well thought-out
 
@Andy - how do I repro your boundary thing? If I try I don't get auto-complete...
I have boundary issues...
 
@MarcGravell, is there anyway to jump from a starred message to see it in context?
 
11:08 AM
More options... > permalink
 
oh yeah, duh, I never actually think of clicking on a permalink - just copy/pasting it :)
Another question, what's the logic for deciding when to put a time label on a post?
 
6 posts or 10 minutes, IIRC (I haven't checked lately)
 
In any case, hope you're enjoying your new job, 'cos we certainly are!
 
it is odd working with a team having never met any of them ;p
but very much enjoying
 
Yeah, some time it'd be interesting to chat about the teleworking side of things, I'm not sure I'd have the self-discipline. It's bad enough as it is in the office (as witnessed by my presence here :( )
Of course, you get to chat AND be working, which is pretty much the jackpot :)
 
11:20 AM
Woohoo! Server config fixed; no more IP blocks for simply loading the app ;p
 
11:32 AM
asdf
 
12:22 PM
@MarcG: sorry, I got busy with something. Boundary issue repro:
1. Type anything with a colon. (e.g. `test: testing`)
2. Use the arrow key to move the caret back to just before the colon.
3. Type @A and tab to my name to watch the colon magically disappear (resulting in `test@AndyE'shead testing`).
 
boo!
 
@Andy repo'd.
 
12:45 PM
@CRoss: yeah, but Marc's disappeared lol
 
Marc could be at lunch, local time is 13:46
 
12:57 PM
well, that's the nice thing about the chat being permanent
 
Indeed it is
 
Do y'all like the lines that try to indicate where you've read?
 
oh is that what that means?
 
yes, it's in the FAQ (but I had to ask too)
 
ah, so it is :)
 
1:18 PM
The lines are useful, but the "not reading" detection is imperfect ISTM
 
1:49 PM
@Andy - will look; thanks
 
hello all
 
Hi
 
hi
 
hello
 
I like the animation when user enter/exit chat room :)
 
2:00 PM
checking something
ug
what is with: "test - You can perform this action again in 0 seconds - retry / cancel"
Does it have something to do with the 1sec polling?
 
@NAVEED, look carefully then, I'm off home :)
 
Good Morning
 
Happy Christmas
 
don't correct the spelling
just edit
click the up arrow to edit your last message
 
2:15 PM
nice, thanks for the tip
 
or hover over the message and click the arrow and click edit
 
2:51 PM
How do I format a tag in chat, I've seen it more than once
 
only works for status tags
status-completed
 
[status-monocle smile]
No spaces boo
status-monocleSmile
feature-request: Add topgear.com to the prettify list
 
3:09 PM
@Noctrine not exactly IT... theregister.co.uk would make more sense
(I can't believe I originally wrote .com there.)
 
It would still be very cool though, and lol.
 
I would hope that this entire chat system isn't completely IT centric though.
 
Testing... no
@Noctrine indeed, but that's where it will start with the bias in the SE network, until non IT SE sites take off for non-IT people
I think it will be a while before daily SO (alone) usage is exceeded by the sum of all other sites.
 
3:42 PM
Hi.
 
Hello
Hows it going?
 
4:22 PM
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Q: Removed Chat Blips Should Be... Removed.

Chacha102When a message is deleted, it says 'Removed'. Unfortunately, this gets very annoying when I'm trying to edit multiple chat messages together into a single message that is more useful if it is starred, as there are 2-5 'removed' messages right under it. It would be nice to find a better solution...

 
5:19 PM
status-humannature
 
status-reading
 
Jeff gets a little sensitive over <kbd> tags as it is .. hopefully this is not
status-obliterated
:)
 
Why does he get sensitive about them?
 
@Tim
 
5:31 PM
-30
A: <kbd> elements are way intrusive

Jeff AtwoodDue to abuse of the <kbd> tag here on Meta, I have disabled it.

 
lol, -30
 
yeah..
it is actually +1 / -31
 
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A: <kbd> elements are way intrusive

Hilarious Comedy Pesto This is the most fun I've had all day.

>< Just wanted the image..
 
5:53 PM
Doesn't look like my keyboard here: why isn't the return key double height? :-)
 
@Richard - because nobody has yet to abuse unicode to make fat tags
 
 
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7:53 PM
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Q: Must ... format ... smileys

Chacha102Must ... format ... smileys ... in ... chat!!!!!

 
8:47 PM
Can we get an irc interface to this?
 
We only do 'better' here.
 
9:12 PM
@LanceRoberts Hey lance, hows it going?
 
Good, just got back from vacation (wish I was still on it).
 
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