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5:01 PM
Does Wordpress hosted let you point domains to it like tumblr does?
 
webapps.stackexchange.com :P
 
:p
 
@Noctrine: Yes, but it costs money.
 
@Macha sorry, I didn't know how to use categories, feel free to edit them
 
@tzenes: What do you think of the article so far? (It's not finished, but I'd like to know what you think of the tone, etc.)
 
5:06 PM
let me look
 
@tzenes Should be in drafts
 
I like the tone and style
I imagine for content you're planning to go on and talk more about the details of the game and how its played
I'm interested to see how you mesh those two together
Urist McText, is a really funny name
I like it
is that first image from boatmurdered?
 
Yeah it is
 
nice
 
@tzenes: I didn't want to do the extremely stereotypical thing of flaunting Boatmurdered, but it's a handy source of screenshots.
(edited instead of posting there without realising)
 
5:10 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about where you take them from
hi @Lee
 
man, I love Boatmurdered, there's nothing wrong with flaunting it
 
too true
how's the succession game going?
 
The map has been generated, but @alexanderpas forgot to post the link to it anywhere.
 
@badp Grace seems to agree with me.
 
@tzenes There's no need to @-reply the post author in comments :)
 
5:25 PM
@badp oops
 
np
 
I forget sometimes, probably due to spending too much time here
 
I'm just mentioning it because only one @-reply works per comment
so you might as well not squander it on the one guy who is guaranteed to be notified :)
 
@Macha: May I join the blog as well?
 
Right, I'm familiar with the rules I just forget sometimes and act like a n00b
 
5:28 PM
@FallenAngelEyes: I'll add you as a contributer for now (can write, need others to publish). But we really need to decide on some system for how to do this.
 
@Macha I was just typing the same thing
we really do need a system
 
@FallenAngelEyes: Have a wordpress.com account? You'll need to give me the email you use for that.
 
fallenangeleyes@gmail.com
 
Actually, can you @tzenes ? I'm signed into my own account atm, which is only an editor, not an admin.
 
sure
@fallen done, you should receive an email shortly
 
5:30 PM
Thanks
 
@Macha I think provisionally we can accept anyone over 1,500 rep as a contributor
at least until we work out something better
 
I'd probably have more interest in/time for editing/looking over other people's stuff than writing really, but this'll do :)
 
Grace is having fun with her test question again ^^
 
out of curiosity, how do you tell males from females?
 
In regards to?
 
5:35 PM
@badp Grace has refused to identify her gender so I assigned her the feminine pronoun
 
I think it's consensus that Grace is female, although nobody is totally sure
 
since that time I've noticed it caught on
I don't know how far back these chat logs go, but at one point it did come up and I did ask her
 
Grace stated that he's fine with either pronoun
 
you might be able to find it in the backlogs
 
I thought Grace said she was a she
 
5:36 PM
something along the lines of "I've been called everything and I don't care" IIRC
 
@Noctrine she actually said there were two other communities she was affiliated with and they had made different decisions on her gender
and she will not correct them or us
 
Although such secrecy is quite feminine, I really don't want to nose in its business
I'll decide it's a robot and go with 'it' :P
 
She uses a female name, so I just use she/her etc.
 
@Badp Those were my thoughts exactly :p
 
singular they could work
 
5:39 PM
That kind of indifference doesn't sound like any guy I know. Most would be quick to correct.
 
I dont' think GraceNote is a female name as much as the opposite of DeathNote
 
Eh, I know several guys who don't care
 
When I hear Grace Note, I think of Harp note from megaman
 
I know guys who don't care also
they all happen to be homosexual but that's really a seperate issue
 
tbh I see 'grace' as an adjective to the 'note' noun, which doesn't actually have any gender association
 
5:40 PM
I see Grace as the first name Grace.
 
but I also fail so...
 
@badp: that's how I see it as well
 
I think we're spending too much time on what we all agree is a non-issue
 
After a quick Wikipedia search, that is how I see it now too lol
 
Indeed
 
5:41 PM
What else is there to spend time on, work?
 
Yeah.. at least if we're discussing gender let the person be there
 
Seeing as you and @Arda spent like an hour and a half arguing in here last night though, I don't think on-topicness is that much of a qualifier anymore :P
 
talking about who wants to write an article for my blog?
 
@FallenAngelEyes In the words of its Majesty, that was mindless banter
 
@fallen I thought that discussion was an issue, where as this really isn't
 
5:43 PM
Regardless, it was a personal issue between the two of you and had no relevance to GSE at all, and given the length of time it went on, I think it would've been more appropriate for the two of you to take it to an IM service or something.
 
obviously I disagree, but that's really neither here nor there
 
@FallenAngelEyes Excuse me? What personal issue?
 
Going back and forth claiming each person had the wrong interpretation, accusing each other of hypocrisy, etc. It wasn't an issue about gaming or the site, it was a problem that was between the two of you.
 
it ended the moment someone complained about it, FYI
 
Calm down.
It's chat.
It's meant to be informal..
 
5:47 PM
save your fingers @Macha its not worth getting involved in
if they want to discuss what's appropriate let them
our time is better spent on the site and the blog
 
btw, what kind of posting schedule are we aiming for? Even with several people, one a day might be hard to keep up.
 
I'm going to try for mon/wed/friday personally
but I might back off to a more: monday/friday
having run a blog before I know I can keep up twice a week, so I'd like to see if I can handle 3 times
certainly Jerry Holkins does it
 
I manage like once every 2-3 weeks on mine, apart from bursts of activity.
 
well, see if you can target every other week, or once a week initially
I think once we get enough contributors we'll be spending more time editing and less time writing
I'd really like this blog to be a community driven experience, not just people listening to me lecture on Starcraft 2
 
Why not make a meta thread for people who want inclusion. Or stories that people want to write, though that would be kinda off topic.
 
5:59 PM
@tzenes Yeah, but isn't that Jerry Holkin's job?
 
I think his job is a little more complicated than that
you know penny-arcade is a business, its not just a webcomic+blog
they do fundraisers and charity events, pax, advertisements for companies, etc
They even make their own books and games
@Noctrine we have a meta thread about the blog I wouldn't want to overload meta more than that
 
Penny Arcade is also very massive at their own choosing. It's all as simple as you make it.
 
while that's true, I think producing articles on par with Holkins is a good target goal
 
Where will discussion about the blog's details/assets/etc occur, just here?
 
other than the meta thread there isn't really another good place to discuss it
chat is sort of the lowest common denominator
I'm not saying that's ideal, though
 
6:05 PM
What about making another chatroom for it?
 
we can be the SE site with the most chatrooms too :D
 
I'm assuming there's nothing in the backend of Wordpress for that type of discussion, I dunno, I've never really used it before
 
no an unrelated topic:
@cwgabriel Angela will be there. NOW'S OUR CHANCE! #wifesex #while #we #watch #notweird
greatest hash tag ever
@FallenAngelEyes there is no chat backend, we could certainly make another room for it
 
@tzenes: Care to look over my first draft oft the full post now?
 
sure
 
6:08 PM
Ah, I can't see pending stuff?
 
@Macha maybe a little more about the gameplay? How you order things, how you build things, etc?
 
kk
I'd linked to a tutorial for that, but no harm adding a bit in.
 
What game is the post about?
 
Dwarf Fortress
 
ah
 
6:12 PM
I just want people to get a taste
that this game is kind of like (simcity + the sims) * meth
 
lol
I keep getting the message popup for connection issues with the chat, is anyone else getting that today?
 
yeah
 
@tzenes: May I give you some feedback on your Micro/Macro post?
 
I would appreciate it if you did
 
"These units are convey an advantage against your opponent at a smaller economic loss" <-should be "conveying"
 
6:15 PM
@FallenAngelEyes refresh the chat.
 
ah, thank you
 
"At the core of Micro is that, no matter the unit composition or number, there is a way to have your units preform better than they should rightfully do." <-typo with perform
(covering grammatical stuff first)
You use a lot of parenthetical phrases in your first paragraph for Macro, and they feel a little visually distracting. The majority of those you could just connect to your existing sentences with a comma.
 
k
 
How picky do we want to be about stuff like punctuational grammar in the posts?
 
pretty picky
 
6:19 PM
Gotcha
 
oh come on
how can letting the boss be flooded by lava not count as killing him
 
"Despite what many people will tell you (and the above image suggests) these are not two sides to the same coin, they are radically different concepts that make up the heart and soul of a RTS." <-you should either replace the comma there with a semicolon or connect them with a conjunction
 
k
I went with semicolon
 
@badp Which game? If it's Dwarf Fortress, the bronze colossus is immune to lava.
 
"at its simplest its a distribution of limited resources between necessary avenues." The second "its" needs an apostrophe, as it's a contraction
"Roaches have a short range, that means I should move closer than that range so the rank behind the first gets to attack; other times its things like:" same issue there
 
6:23 PM
@Macha I think I remember reading somewhere that they are not immune to lava
 
@Macha the game I'm talking about is "Dwarfs!, why must they always dig too deep"
the goblin boss, the shaman, is vulnerable to lava (it simply uncerimoniously vanishes when touched by it)
 
killing it would be worth a +20k points bonus
I didn't get it :(
 
@Fallen I made the changes you mentioned.
 
\o/
"While these concepts really apply to any RTS" should have a comma after it
There's some more comma stuff and a few more punctuational things, but I need to go eat dinner. The most obvious things, like the misspellings, I've covered.
Tone-wise, overall, I think it flows very nicely and that you explained the concepts in a manner that is both interesting and easily understandable by both those who are familiar and those who are unfamiliar with the subject.
 
6:28 PM
bah, I'm trying to give FF4 a try
 
(this is speaking as someone whose background is only as a casual RTS player)
 
it must be the addons I have, but it always feels slower than Chrome
 
One more quick stylistic thing. "As if this tension between economic and tactical advantage was not sufficient, most RTS introduce a third concept into Macro:" Most of the time you use RTS as a noun in and of itself, but you do have another sentence where you use it as a descriptor: "These three forces are in constant tension not just in RTS games" I'd consider appending "games" to that first sentence as well because you're talking about RTS games in plural, and it flows a bit awkwardly as is.
 
@fallen its correct as RTS games, ore RTSs
 
@tzenes Care to look over the next draft? Added a few more gameplay details to it. Does it need more?
 
6:39 PM
Aye, but in the first sentence there it was singular where it should've been plural.
 
And I might get FallenAngelEyes to grammar check it too.
 
I'm always willing to edit stuff
But I need to go eat now
Later all! Ping me if you need anything.
 
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6:56 PM
Also, I made a draft of the blog's about page. Still need to decide how to manage posters first though.
 
7:16 PM
I have to go for today. @tzenes Edit the post as you see fit, publish it whenever.
 
7:51 PM
Sorry I was at lunch, I'll take a look now
 
That was fa- oh, grace
 
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@ArdaXi Worms?
 
The closed question
lol
 
8:21 PM
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Zombieland's a pretty amusing movie
 
@FallenAngelEyes Heh, I just watched it two days ago or something
 
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Q: Explanation of the story/ending of Limbo

Mag RoaderI had seen the ending of Limbo, but at the time was distracted so I didn't catch the subtlety. I just watched it again here. I have some ideas about what the ending implies, but wanted to know if anyone could formulate a clear description of "What just happened?"

 
very much influenced by L4D, but very nice :P
 
Haha yeah I had the same thoughts, though L4D was also heavily influenced by 28 Days Later so it's one vicious cycle, lol
As soon as they started turning on the lights in the amusement park, I was like "You're calling the horde!"
 
8:30 PM
never got around to that film
 
Pretty good flick, though I hear the sequel(s) are bleh
 
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9:03 PM
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9:15 PM
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Q: Which Team Fortress 2 Soldier taunt uses the Worms Hallelujah sound clip?

PowerlordI just got the Lumbricus Lid hat in Team Fortress 2 yesterday. When you wear this Soldier hat, it also replaces the grenades you carry with the Holy Hand Grenades from Worms. When updating my dedicated server, I noticed that there was a new sound file with the Worms Hallelujah sound clip in wit...

 
Oh look
a link answer
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A: Explanation of the story/ending of Limbo

en1gmatic325I don't think there is an agreed upon meaning, but an interesting article discussing several theories can be found here.

(Also an answer I can give without getting myself spoiled =))
 
I don't actually think that's a great answer
its kind of lazy
 
I don't mean to say it's the best ever
but it's better than no answer
 
I'm getting really tired of these meta questions
 
Consensus is hard, let's go shopping!
 
9:27 PM
No, I mean this one --V
 
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Q: Why was this closed and not the other?

Corv1nusWhy was this closed: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/6293/... And this one was not: http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1932... One asks for a list of games to run on a system and the other asks for what do you think is a good system to run a game. Both appear to be of the li...

 
I hate the guy
he has 1337 rep
that's a free downvote, I say!
I skipped over 1337! It's unfair!
 
why did he create the tag [opinon-questions]?!
 
What opinion-questions tag?
 
the one I just removed
 
9:30 PM
I don't see no opinion-questions tag.
 
no, not opinion
opinon
 
lol, that's even worse.
Did you try to fix it or just delete it?
 
you removed the tag..
 
In the latter case I beat you to it, in the former I overwrote your change (hence the worry)
 
you somehow beat me to it
 
9:32 PM
I'm going for the revisions badges, I've gained a few levels there :P
 
me too :P
 
I think this sums it up nicely:
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"I'd like to see some consistency. – Corv1nus 3 mins ago"
I'd like for us to be as big as Stack Overflow by tomorrow.
 
9:51 PM
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10:16 PM
I knew that "answer is only link" question was a stealth argument to justify allowing lists.
 
Not really, but kinda
It's the only sane way I can see to truly answer list questions
We can't do list, but we can point to places that do.
 
We can do list
We can't, and should not do repository
 
but doing lists is a kludge
 
Ack! The new mobile version of chat sucks more than using the normal version on my iPod.
 
every time you update it, it brings the question to the top
 
10:18 PM
We should definitely not do lists of lists though
 
I can toss you maybe 4 examples of successful lists on this site
Without even needing to think
 
@GraceNote But, if you should have to choose between a list of items or a list of links to lists of items, which would be preferable?
 
@Arda If it's a basic list and not a repository, the former by far.
 
I'd love to see a meta question on lists of lists of meta lists
I could even cough up a bounty for that :D
 
Technically I would prefer the former for a repository, but that doesn't mean I'd like it here
 
10:21 PM
@GraceNote I know, that's what I meant
@badp While you don't believe me, this one is about this subject
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Q: Should we Link to Content or Contain content?

George StockerThere have been a number of '[Game] [Craft/Class] Guide questions' today. While I think it'd be appropriate for those questions to be asked organically, I have an issue with the intentional 'seeding' of the questions because they produce a lot of unanswered questions with no indication that ther...

 
I did link that in the latest question
 
This is like the sixth or seventh time I am linked to that question today
 
Ate history to do it but I don't personally mind doing that anymore
 
@badp hopes the seventh time's the charm
 
three times a charm... seven, that's just plain [...]...
 
10:24 PM
Here, have a better thing to think about
 
which question has badp been linked to 7 times?
 
snrk
 
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Q: Should we Link to Content or Contain content?

George StockerThere have been a number of '[Game] [Craft/Class] Guide questions' today. While I think it'd be appropriate for those questions to be asked organically, I have an issue with the intentional 'seeding' of the questions because they produce a lot of unanswered questions with no indication that ther...

Make that 8 times.
 
sorry, it was too funny to resist
 
Oh, right, I was going to check if my version of Suguri is the latest
 
10:26 PM
 
I'm actually not a big fan of Suguri
I kind of feel that Ikaruga achieved what that genre was meant to achieve
 
As awesome as it were, Ikaruga lacked pilebunkers
Plus I enjoyed Triggerheart Exelica more than Ikaruga as well, but come on, GRAPPLE HOWITZERS
 
Meh
I just think its gone as far as it can go, and is only really interesting for nostalgia purposes
 
Hm... the Perfect Edition appears to have a lot of strange add-ons
Looks like you're simply not a shoot-em-up enthusiast, then.
Ikaruga was mighty innovative and had an excellent scoring system
 
I enjoy co-op with friends in that game
 
10:31 PM
Back in the early days of the site, I suggested it in the co-op question.
 
I am probably not an enthusiast, no
 
btw, what exactly do you mean by "shoot-em up?"
 
To me, though, setting the innovations of Ikaruga as the bar to compare all future shoot-em-ups is probably along the lines of the original StarCraft having defined real RTS gameplay
 
Bullet Hell!
 
No, if I meant that, I'd say Curtain Fire, @Fallen
 
10:33 PM
Yeah I know, that's why I said it, hehe
I remember the meta discussion
 
Shoot-em-up would be your arcade-style scrolling shooter game
 
@Grace I think that's an apt analogy. Starcraft Broodwars is the measuring stick which I compare all other RTS
 
Shoot 'em up (also known as shmup) is a subgenre of shooter video games. In a shoot 'em up, the player controls a lone character, often a spacecraft or aircraft, shooting large numbers of enemies while dodging their attacks. The genre in turn encompasses various types or subgenres and critics differ on exactly what design elements constitute a shoot 'em up. Some restrict the definition to games featuring spacecraft and certain types of character movement; others allow a broader definition including characters on foot and a variety of perspectives. Shoot 'em ups call for fast reactions ...
 
rrootage and pals are enough for me, tyvm :P
 
Doesn't have to be curtain fire.
 
10:33 PM
(torus trooper is amazing, try it on insane)
 
actually, technically its Total Annihilation, but that's really semantics
oh?
 
Nevermind that, I missed your earlier sentence
@tzenes this message, specifically
 
bullet hell is a subgenre of shoot 'em up
 
ah
well, I have a lot of games I want to play, and my free time is precious, I don't have time to waste on games that aren't good enough as their contemporaries
 
Well, that's entirely a subjective quality and I think it's all the better you stick with what you enjoy
 
10:37 PM
hey, you now should all be stuck on tvtropes
 
Haaaa-noooo
 
@alex You can't get a curtain fire score-gamer hooked on TVTropes with the Bullet Hell article.
 
I've lost so many hours to that site
 
This avatar isn't just for show, after all
Ooh, wow, the Sora game looks nice
 
10:39 PM
this is the first image in that article...
want to take a look now?
 
@alex I've seen that in-game
 
I play curtain fire games for sport.
 
Those games always give me the feeling I'm high on something
 
10:41 PM
 
something evil.
 
That's the beauty of them. The deadly, deadly beauty
 
I like to play them when in certain moods
and you can go into that "bullet hell zen" mode
 
I've learned not to play them..
 
My life is a curtain fire zen moment. I dodge rain drops nowadays with my reduced hitbox.
 
10:42 PM
lol
 
Okay, both Sora and Lethal Crisis are still in stock. I should work to get them all purchased and all that
 
To be honest, the one I've tried that I liked the best is Go Beryllium. Then again, I'm not really in the genre.
everything is timed to music
 
White Butterfly had a funky music thing, but not in terms of bullet patterns
At least, my going theory was that the background was procedurally generated from the music
 
I've never managed to go past stage 3 :(
 
Of Go Beryllium?
 
10:47 PM
yeah. In easy mode, the game ends there. In hard mode, my personal best is two seconds from the black hole evaporation.
 
Ne'er tried it, myself
Won't have time for it between getting Sora & Lethal Crisis as well as finally setting up the PS3
 
no problem
 
But I'll definitely look into it
Reminds me of how they changed Every Extend
Every Extend... now THAT was an innovative... game.
I'd like to call it a shoot-em-up, but you don't really shoot
 
Are you still trying to get me onto TVTropes?
If you're stuck and trapped there, wallow by yourself. Don't try to drag the rest of the room in.
 
10:51 PM
I have Every Extend Extra for PSP
 
@tzenes Would a high action platformer be of better interest to you than a shmup?
 
@GraceNote I'm still in one tab... so i'm not no tabsplosion... yet...
 
@Fallen That's when they started doing the music focus, aye.
 
in which context?
 
Didn't really know what it was but saw it for cheap so I picked it up
 
10:52 PM
and i'm out... wow... starting to get immune on the subjects 've already read...
 
Just in general, @tzenes.
 
I'm very into games that have music involvement or have procedurally generated stuff from music
 
That's good, @Fallen
 
Yeah probably
 
The original actually had no form of procedural generation
It was an interesting choice for them to advance like that
 
10:53 PM
I had this game that made bullet hell stages based on the music you played that was fun
 
@tzenes Then if Lethal Crisis is every bit of awesome as it is when I get it, I'll be sure to recommend you give it a try.
...well, gadhexitall
I was totally hoping to write that kind of game myself. I mean, I knew it probably had been done already, but I was hoping still.
I'm still hoping to write a Curtain Fire visualization for media players, though
 
you'll just have to figure out a way to innovate on the concept
 
@GraceNote What's stopping you? :)
 
I guess Audiosurf ninja is some kind of music-tuned bullet hell :D
 
@Arda The fact I had little to run on outside of the whole "made by music" element
All the rest of my innovation is spent on my other projects
 
10:55 PM
@GraceNote hasn't stopped the audiosurf people :P
 
although the real deal would be freeride on ironmode
 
@Arda Yeah, consider that they beat me to it and this was more of an idling interest more than a real goal
 
Audiosurf isn't bullet hell really..
For one there's no bullets
 
But there exists apparently two actual curtain fire games that are procedurally generated by music
Nevermind that technically E(3-4) is more interesting than I could make mine despite not technically being a shmup
 
10:57 PM
Let me see if I can find the game on my other HD and get the name
 
Nite
 
night badp
 
G'nite, @badp
 
night @badp
 
@tzenes I have more interest in different elements for my platforming games than procedural generation
Although I am partially working with a friend who is in fact developing a procedurally generated platformer.
 
10:59 PM
@GraceNote nice typo.
 
Smith's work on the relationship between rhythm and gameplay is worth a read
 
Very interesting paper, though
 
she has one before that one
where she breaks down how the two are interrelated
it was one of the citations for my Thesis
 

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