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12:00 AM
Yes, Don't know, No
 
only in other tabs.
 
@alex You don't see it in this room, but you do in the lobby and other rooms?
 
nope, only other rooms, as activity indicator, try refreshing your browser.
 
Activity indicator? I mean more of a giant blue square with an ominous number in it.
 
screenshot it
 
12:03 AM
anyhub.
 
I don't see any square
 
@alexanderpas :D
 
Next to the room name in the upper right?
 
Aye.
 
Nay, I only see a blank space. Would it be a mod thing?
 
12:05 AM
@ArdaXi I forked and severely improved the linux script...
 
Nope, not a mod thing
 
@alexanderpas I know. I told Charlie, he RTd it for you :)
 
I only have a diamond on Gaming, anyway.
 
we can see that:
 
I did not realize my profile said that here.
 
12:08 AM
@ArdaXi okay... that will be added in the script.
 
It appears to be a custom field
 
@alexanderpas By the way, the whole API is going to be redone soon.
To be a little more RESTful, sans DELETE and PUT for they are headaches
 
Hee~ I can change it.
 
Huh, to what?
 
@GraceNote Where? Where?
 
12:10 AM
Just check your own chat profile
 
found it
 
There's an editable section
 
how's this look on me?
 
...lol
 
snrk
 
12:11 AM
 
You could be a mass debater!
 
Hm.. better.
Simplicity is key.
 
That's... not congruency... is it?
 
@GraceNote Whu?
 
I can't remember if the symbol for congruency is 3 lines or 2 lines and a wavy.
 
12:13 AM
3 equal lines afaik
Ξ = Xi
 
Oh, that's supposed to be Xi
 
Yes :)
 
I always saw it written with more like a [ | ] on its side, than | | |
 
Xi is 2 wide lines with a thin line in between
 
12:15 AM
 
anyway, that's literally just the unicode value for Xi
it's going to look however your font renders it
I could also use ξ but I'm not called Arda xi
 
@ArdaXi or Arda 11
 
Don't you mean 60? :P
 
Despite your name I never really paid heed to the fact it might be a Xi, is all
 
Oh huh, yeah, same
 
12:17 AM
The middle is smaller when I look in Gaming, but not as much here
 
found the difference between the equivalence ≡ and Xi Ξ :)
 
Didn't realize at all that it was supposed to be the Greek letter
 
Yep, I have now
 
I didn't realise Xi was a Greek letter when I picked it
 
Thanks, @Arda
 
12:18 AM
I just liked it as a fictional surname
 
If you pronounce it right, it's got a cool impact to it as a name.
 
You mean Greek or English? :)
 
Greek
X has no "right" pronunciation in English! No one can ever agree!
 
Ah, okay :)
It sounds ordinary to me in Greek since that's how I've always pronounced it (Dutch)
@GraceNote General consensus has been /ˈzaɪ/
 
Well, it's got a similar zing that a name like Mordecai has
 
12:21 AM
:)
 
Bloodwing goes zing! Sort of.
 
I just zing'ed
 
For some reason people think Arda is Turkish though..
As well as female. I should've picked a better username.
 
There's no such thing as girls on the internet
 
12:23 AM
I know right
@alexanderpas My real name is a female maiden in that universe I believe
 
Hah, I knew someone would point out that Arda
 
...really?
 
In J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy legendarium, Arien is the maiden whom the Valar chose from among the Maiar to guide the vessel of the Sun.
 
G.I.R.L. Guy In Real Life (as the meme goes... sadly...)
 
I always remember that because that was the name of our scifi/fantasy/anime theme house in college
 
12:24 AM
Oh! Arwen?
Ah, close
 
No, Arien
Of course my version has a diæresis
 
@alexander that is a terrible mem
 
I know of a girl named Éowyn
 
Welcome back, @tzenes
 
Were her parents big Tolkien fans?
 
12:26 AM
Got that MMT question ready? I've had my answer prepped.
 
Thak you grace. How have you been?
Sec let me log into my computer
 
@FallenAngelEyes yes, they certainly are.
 
I am confused as to how you can chat with us before even logging in. It must be some Zerg thing.
 
My name is Frisian though
 
Ipad
 
12:27 AM
More like Ipod... or PSEUDOPOD
2
 
API chat.
 
dun dun dunnnn
 
Chat on this thing is different. No editing or reply or flag
 
@tzenes No mouseover huh
 
Can't do the up trick for editing?
 
12:29 AM
Up trick?
 
Pressing the up key
 
@FallenAngelEyes no, dun dun!
 
It's like the Konami Code, except completely not
 
12:30 AM
If you press the Up arrow key within 5 minutes of posting an item on chat, it will let you edit your previous message.
 
it's an iPad no up key
 
Not even on the popup keyboard?
 
Oh yeah, virtual keyboard has no arrow keys
 
I don't see one
 
Oh
Huu
Well, then, yeah, I guess you can't edit at all
 
12:32 AM
save for jailbreaking and adding arrowkeys to the virtual keyboard
 
Why is it called "jailbreaking", anyway?
 
Because Apple has erected a very sophisticated jail for the OS, and the act of jailbreaking breaks the device out of it
 
Walled garden = jail, getting out = jailbreaking.
 
Ooh, I see. Creative.
 
used to refer to apple forbidding all 3rd party apps, now it refers to apple forbidding most.
 
12:34 AM
To both o' ye's
Wee, the mass hammer <Immoral Husband> is in my possession~
 
I'm tagging this mmt
 
I can't even imagine what you'd try for tagging the whole game name, @tzenes
 
Can I use utf-16 for tags?
 
the kanjis?
 
There are only 6 kanji in the entire title, @Arda
 
12:37 AM
@GraceNote that fits then
 
the rest is hiragana
 
oh
 
むかしむかしあるところにとてつもなく仲の悪いツインテールの姉妹姫様がいらっしゃいましたとさ is well more than 24 characters
 
right
 
and katakana
 
12:37 AM
My Japanese isn't too good.
as in, it's almost non-existent
 
On the box and the title screen, it takes up four lines
 
I'd have to abbreviate
 
how is japanese abbreviated?
 
In this case? MMT
 
I took 2 semesters of Japanese but I've forgotten a lot of it from disuse
 
12:38 AM
M ukashi M ukashi aru T okoro [...]
 
hmm, through transliteration? does that work in japan?
 
Wait i can float on spores?!?
 
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Q: How do I get past a Cliff

tzenesSo I'm at a cliff in the 5 or 6th screen of Mukashi Mukashi Arutokoro ni Totetsumonaku Naka no Warui Twintail no Shimai Himesama ga Irasshaimashitatosa, and I can't figure out a way past it. I've provided a screenshot: I've tried standing on top of the pollen from the mushrooms but that is to...

 
If you pick them up, yes, @tzenes, you'll float
And yeah, you can stand on them even while they're being spewed out
 
Holy shit
 
12:39 AM
the transliteration is still really long
 
Also didn't know about charging
 
Ooh, yeah, that's the most important thing
Anything you can pick up, charge up by holding down the throw button
 
I need to experiment
 
This will produce different effects. The tutorials in the first room (which you probably couldn't read) tell you that Blue sends you flying upwards, while Red sends you flying forwards
 
@Gaming Mukashi Mukashi Arutokoro ni Totetsumonaku Naka no Warui Twintail no Shimai Himesama ga Irasshaimashitatosa should really be written in cursive...
 
12:41 AM
Ah. That's useful
 
And yes, this game is awesome. I hope you are able to see Stage 3 in the trial.
 
I nearly beat that witch 5% left
 
...well that explains why I kept getting "Something is killed" messages
There was a hostile mass monster in a room filled with non-hostile mercenaries. Hilarity ensues as the mass monsters win.
 
I just realized I don't have to be on my ipad anymore
 
12:59 AM
According to google conversion, the apple I just picked weighs 322lb.
 
How much did you put in?
 
23 stone
I don't recall if the ADOM stone weighs as much as the British one, though
 
evening folks
 
Evenin', @Sathya
 
British stone are 13lb
Hi sathya
 
1:02 AM
hi @GraceNote & @tzenes how goes things
 
Alright
 
Not too bad. I left my immoral husband in a formerly monster infested dank sewer.
 
Writing to a blag
 
Which one, @tzenes?
 
@GraceNote o_0
 
1:04 AM
Gamingse.wordpress.com
 
Ah, writing another post
What about, this time?
 
Im unsatisfied with the first one. So this one is going to be more starcraft related
 
oo first post is on Sacrifice
 
Ah, I see
Oh, awesome, someone who knows Sacrifice
 
Greatest game of all time
 
1:05 AM
I was drooling all over the game
I never got to play the full game :'(
was never released in India
 
Steam?
 
Internet == very expensive till couple years ago
good 'net connections are still expensive
I used to play the demo. It came on a "special" Computer Gaming World
magazine
(CGW was a quarterly special)
 
That's how i found unit about it
Don't know which magazine but definitely a demo disc
 
amazing game, as you said
 
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Q: How do I block an attack in Plain Sight?

Juan ManuelI saw that the secondary mouse button is mapped to block and that there are power ups that let you recover faster after being blocked. However, pressing the secondary mouse button does nothing; is blocking a purchasable upgrade? Can it be done only in specific times? How do I block in Plain Sig...

 
1:09 AM
think it was one of the first games to make use of Geforce 256's Hardware T&L
 
What is Juan doing posting questions but not showing up here? Wargh, he's been out a whole week
 
he's been on Steam..
 
That would require me to do something crazy, like have a Steam account
 
@grace you don't have a steam accnt ?
 
Nope
 
1:12 AM
Steam is a scam
 
@GraceNote It's not crazy, I've answered a question about that
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A: Can I trust "Steam"-powered games? Any unwanted behavior installed with Steam?

Arda XiYes, you can trust it. It is non-intrusive and all it does (at minimum) is manage your games and patches for you. Anything else is optional. It doesn't install anything but the software you need (like DirectX) and the games and patches. Nothing you don't want, unless you don't want the game you'...

 
they have all these great old games on there for very low price, and I purchase them all, but then never play them
 
It's not a matter of trust, actually
I just don't care for (thus far) 100% of the games I've seen on it.
 
@GraceNote You can add non-Steam games? :)
meh, tell alexander that
IIRC he has like €1000 worth of steamgames
 
1:14 AM
hey, did you guys know about: smartergamer.com
 
I've seen it once
 
Yes, @tzenes. They were mentioned once or twice during the private beta
 
@tzenes wasn't aware of that
 
@Arda But since I don't need Steam for these non-Steam games, I'm far too lazy to bother getting an account.
 
I'm really excited about that piece of DLC, @Sathya
 
1:15 AM
@GraceNote Fair enough.
 
well its a ghost town like most of SE 1.0
 
@FallenAngelEyes yeah.
 
I'm unusual like that. Preordered games for both the 360 and the PS3 well before getting either console, but won't bother with Steam.
 
I've only been on steam for like 2 years, signed up for Audiosurf
 
@FallenAngelEyes heh, same here!
 
1:16 AM
@FallenAngelEyes Heh, I signed up for CS 1.6
 
... and a tarantula just downed a bottle of booze and vomited. Wonderful.
 
I'm way too long on steam, and it only get's longer...
 
I didn't really have any interest in it before that
...then I got sucked in...
 
I've had one since '05 I think
 
1:16 AM
Jon Skeet is on smarter gamer :D
 
That sounds like actually more incentive for me not to get Steam. I'm far behind on my gaming as is
 
I still prefer buying boxed games for large purchases
 
I've been on steam since the beginning but I've only ever really played a handful of games: CS, Portal, HL2, Sacrifice
 
Borderlands and L4D I received as gifts from people
 
@Sathya :O
 
1:17 AM
And just to catch up with gaming, I have had over a year's worth of recorded shows to catch up with.
 
@Sathya Why don't we have Jon Skeet.
 
you can buy steam games boxed.
 
@ArdaXi we have @tzenes
 
Only some will let you add the key, a very limited number
 
@FallenAngelEyes I thought it was most ?
 
1:18 AM
@Sathya He's good, but he's not Jon Skeet
@FallenAngelEyes Just all boxed Steam games
If they don't they're not a Steam game, they're just a game distributed using Steam
 
Yeah, I don't mean Steam games, I mean games distributed through the platform
 
ah, right
 
for example, Supreme Commander 2, The Orange Box (includes HL2 portal and our beloved hat game.)
 
so big titles like Fallout, Mass Effect and Dragon Age I buy boxed
 
I really want to get Orange Box for my 360
 
1:19 AM
@alexanderpas And TF2 :)
 
I think it would be fun
 
Steam is viable for me, as I keep travelling often
 
Should be really cheap now, tzenes
 
I need to get a new laptop though
 
@ArdaXi did I forget our beloved hat game?
 
1:20 AM
my current one is running out of steam
 
@alexanderpas No, just TF2 :)
 
Oh ho ho, @Sathya
 
heh @GraceNote :D
 
Yeah, a friend of mine in the army uses Steam a lot, as it's ideal for him
 
Steam removes the CD check, properly; unlike UBI!
 
1:23 AM
@alexanderpas It still included Ubisofts horrible, horrible DRM
 
@ArdaXi thank ubisoft for that.
 
Same goes for EA
 
@ArdaXi thank EA for that.
 
Anyway, it's getting way too late. Good night.
 
good night @ArdaXi
 
1:25 AM
G'nite, @Arda
 
yeah 03:25 is late ;)
 
I'm stepping out as well. take care
 
G'nite, @Sathya
 
1:37 AM
I am not happy with this question: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/6262
oh, and bye Sathya
 
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Q: Hidden Starcraft 2 features

ripper234What less known tricks/features/tactics exist on Starcraft 2? One such example which I learned from this answer is that you can chrono-boost your Warp Gates to reduce their cooldown. Another is when summoning MULEs, if you summon it directly to a mineral patch it will start mining.

 
it is certainly just a repository of tricks
and its undefined as to what differentiates this subset from the set of all tricks
 
It's a very broad repository of tricks
But no one is voting to close, it seems
 
well there are two votes
but that includes mine
 
I don't know how I saw 0 but I totally saw 0 earlier
 
1:40 AM
well someone may have added theirs after I linked it here
 
Yeah, I forgot to vote on it earlier
 
I suppose I'd be more forgiving if we didn't already have this: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/4043/…
 
and heading to bed as well, g'night GSE
 
night fallen
 
Changelog, to me, makes sense. It's no different than our only BlazBlue question
"What's an awesome feature you just found out about" not so much. That is horribly subjective. A plague that I don't want to see starting on Gaming. We already had to deal with the Hidden Gems. We're NOT having Hidden Features
 
1:44 AM
well I like it because its well defined. I know exactly what's in SC2 and I can show its not in SC1
but what does "hidden" mean?
 
Exactly
 
1:55 AM
any graphic artists here?
 
Technically yes
Not in a professional capacity, though
 
I want a diagram which has 3 words with arrows pointing between them
and I found out I am not a graphic artist
do you think you could help me out?
 
used the programmers way? graphviz!
 
Not in anything useful. I don't have anything better than MSPaint on the R-9DH
 
yeah, that's what I was trying to do too
@alexanderpas I'm not sure that really produces what I want
I want it to kind of look like this: peakacupuncture.com/pics/5e-circle.lgicons.gif
but with 3 words instead of 5
 
1:59 AM
certainly possible with graphviz!
 
Triangle inscribed in a circle
Sounds pretty easy
What are the 3 words?
 
Army, Economy, Technology
but the arrows have to point both ways
 
So, a bidirectional triangle?
 
yeah!
 
Actually, a circle would look cooler
 
2:02 AM
Either way, the reality is anything I draw looks terrible
and I just want to make it look pretty for the blog post
 
Do you have any cool symbology you can use for the 3 words?
 
I suppose I could use sprites from starcraft
 
I'll give you a simple template, then. Quick and basic. Will probably still look like fishtail.
 
ok, I'll play around with it.
and thanks
 
One fishtail, coming up.
Technically, a better start would be to determine what symbols/words you want to use
Then draw a circle big enough to fit all of them. Put them at roughly the points you want, erase the parts of the circle that would be overlapped, and finally add some fancy triangles
 
2:13 AM
oh the words were: Army, Economy, Technology
I thought I mentioned that, sorry
doesn't matter I can work with this
 
You did, but I didn't know if you wanted to have like fancy siege tanks, minerals, or ... whatever tech would be represented by
 
daaaaaaad, moooooom, is game-rec dead yeeeeeeet?
 
If I actually knew the buildings, I'd say one of those. Templar Archives? Do we still get those?
 
yeah
 
Templar Archives are pretty techy looking. Or they used to. And they're like the second latest building in SC1
 
2:17 AM
They're still unreasonably late, but I think fusion cores are the only later ones in SC2
nope, just as late
 
Still techy looking?
 
Even techier! But also even more Goriya than before
Are there still separate Archons for High/Dark? In fact, I don't hear much spoken about Archons at all
 
no
Archons pretty much suck
 
I don't recall them being too hot in SC1 either
What with Scouts and Reavers covering the majority of needs.
 
2:24 AM
Blizzard said they're essentially a trashbin for templar who have run out of energy
 
Never thought about that kind of utility
Is energy no longer recoverable? Or simply unreasonable in the heat of battle?
 
the latter
 
in SC1 they had nice micro because they hovered, and their splash was powerful vs things like muta. Also people used to use them to soak siege damage
in SC2 they have the same damage/hp even though everything else does more damage, their splash is less, and their movement is worse
 
True, that's the only aerial splash that Protoss got
 
2:26 AM
well that and storm was the only air splash protoss had
 
What about Reavers?
 
in SC2 they have Colossus
 
Practically my favorite unit back then. I still aspire to make the ultimate Reaver cosplay
 
sadly reavers are gone
I kind of liked them, but I think pathing was the impetus there
 
I know. I am sad.
Well, it opens up more opportunities for me to switch over to siege tank play
 
2:28 AM
 
Siege tanks are OP
@alexanderpas that looks gross
 
unoptimized.
 
One thing you'll come to learn, @tzenes, is that nothing excites me as much as powerful long ranged artillery
So while I personally find the Protoss cooler than Terran, just for siege tanks and knowing how to properly use them, I'd probably end up as the latter.
 
digraph G {
  { rank = sink; Army; Economy }
  Army:se -> Economy:sw [dir=both];
  Economy:ne -> Technology:e [dir=both];
  Technology:w -> Army:nw [dir=both];
}
this is the sourcecode of that image.
2
 
@GraceNote Play with colossus a little, you may reconsider
upgraded they're 9 range
 
2:31 AM
Hm, they play like that? I may have to
Siege tanks do have that whole "tank" thing going, though.
 
Siege tanks feel like artillery
Colossus feel like support
Reavers too
 
That's an interesting way to put it
 

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