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12:28 AM
@Moshe I was whining about the article @mootinator linked criticizing JavaScript; its only example (labeled "Fucking JavaScript") was almost certainly compiled CoffeeScript, not actual hand-written JavaScript. =P
 
Anonymous
Specifically, typeof x === 'undefined' is only necessary if you don't know if the variable x exists at all; the CoffeeScript compiler sometimes needs to do this because it can't know about variables doesn't see, but it's rarely necessary in hand-written code. If we can assume x exists (regardless of whether its been assigned), the line simplifies to if (x == null), but that may be insufficiently hideous to use in condemning JavaScript.
 
12:51 AM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA It has been undeleted.
 
1:28 AM
@SantaFosco thank you.
 
 
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2:33 AM
Oh yay, Firefox 11 is in the repo now.
 
Anonymous
2:58 AM
Unless I am mistaken, Stack Exchange is taking advantage of the same cookie behaviour in Safari that Google and Facebook took some heat for using.
 
Anonymous
    // Oh noes, some idiot browser is jacking with cookies
    //   Try *really* hard to get them to accept a cookie.
    var dynamicXSRF = function () {
        $('#xsrf-recovery')[0].submit();
    };

    return {
        // Some browsers (read: Safari) do really dumb things with cookies in iframes
        //    So we have to load the XSRF companion cookie dynamically like, technically making them less secure
        //    but screw it.
        checkXSRF: function () {
            $(
 
Anonymous
They're using it to handle "third-party" sites that are actually their own, rather than questionable tracking activities.
 
@JeremyBanks That should be minified, too. :/
 
Anonymous
@TimStone Hmm... OpenID.SE's resources all seem to be non-minified and non-CDNed, like meta's.
 
Anonymous
3:03 AM
I guess it's pretty low-traffic. :P
 
Well, Meta's resources are non-minified (except the realtime code before it got bundled). The non-CDNing makes sense, though.
But yeah, that looks like the technique that was used.
 
3:38 AM
Which Apple store would I go to? 5th ave or soho or west side?
Assuming I'm up in time tomorrow?
 
#ReallyExtremelyFirstWorldProblems
 
4:06 AM
@mootinator uthr?
 
Yes?
 
I'm nearly done with my 1.5 year old synagogue app projec and I want to ensure new iPad compatibility.
But you're totally right.
See, most people are waking up at 8 am. I'm usually in synagogue then. So I'd have to be up early and not even on the way to the store then.
#itsTooLateToWhineProperly.
 
I'm a few subway stops from several stores, but I'm not sure if work takes precedence.
Well, considering who pays for the device...
 
Hmm.
 
4:13 AM
Does anyone have any idea if they clear the 5th ave store out?
I'm wondering how that works. If they're always open... What of I schedule a genius bar appointment for 7:45... And then cancel at 7:59
But I'll be in store. Haha!
Kidding. Odds are I get one on sat night if they're left. Otherwise I'll wait.
Seems the radio spot did somerhing (read that as "some herring") for sales, but not much - still too early to tell for sure though.
 
I'm a little spoiled by my 3.9% interest credit card.
 
You can buy my apps, except as far as I know, you aren't Jewish so theyd be mostly useles for you.
Seriously, that dude is ignoring me on twitter.
#midnightrage
 
lol
 
Jus remembered that i meant to apply for that apple internship.
Need to make an Xcode project that compiles into an app about me.
Also have a client project. and schoolwork. And synagogue app. And two or three updates. And life.
 
My battery is about to die
 
4:25 AM
Ugh. #timeToSleepEvenThouhhWeAllKnowIWont
Night then
 
I have to either sleep or otherwise move soon =)
Night.
 
@jcole @drach we miss you in this room.
 
 
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6:08 AM
iPad!
6 hours.
 
 
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10:04 AM
stackoverflow.com/questions/890361/… astroturfing fail: "I didn't try it" ... "give us a review"
 
 
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12:26 PM
I see between 10 and 20 unupvotes What happened? A user deleted their account?
 
@Szabolcs Either that or vote fraud. Though I think vote fraud reversal displays differently
Actually, I'm not sure if either of those will result in what you see, but those are the only two events which would cause a massive withdrawal of votes
 
Vote fraud is unlikely, I haven't been active on SO recently.
 
Vote fraud would be another user constantly upvoting your post, has nothing to your own activity
 
I know.
I just didn't get many upvotes recently, so it's unlikely.
 
Well, the exact algorithm is unknown, so it's possible time isn't taken into account
 
12:33 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ It does. Nick was also working on user deletion displaying differently too, I thought, but I'm unsure about the status on that.
 
I kinda wish there's a detailed consolidated post about how the new reputation tab will display each event
 
But not for me, I need to go get ready for work.
 
1:00 PM
@SantaFosco thank you :-)
Hi all ^_^
@Shog9 you there?
Hey @YiJiangsProble
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Q: Close vote seeding in PHP chat

stevetherI don't mean to point fingers or cast blame on an individual, but I've noticed that PHP chat has a lot of cv-pls requests on questions that I believe are valid, to varying degrees. See here While I am all for cleaning up questions that don't belong, are off topic, etc, I worry that this cv-pls ...

 
1:17 PM
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Q: Would like ability to "favorite" an answer

JimI have found in several cases that while the question itself is not particularly interesting, one of the provided answers contains fantastic information that I would consider 'favoriting'. In some of these cases it is not even the accepted answer that I would wish to favorite. I think a really...

Not sure why they decided to migrate when an obvious duplicate already exists
 
2:01 PM
Hunting a new iPad. Be wewy qwiuet. Sssh....
 
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A: Close vote seeding in PHP chat

Shog9I support this wholeheartedly - one of the down-sides of the vote-to-close system has always been that questions often don't get closed or re-opened quickly enough. I used IRC for this purpose before chat.SE launched, and chat.SE, with oneboxing and transcript features, is even better suited. T...

 
Lix
Does the other user get a notificaion when you "start a new room with this user"?
@Moshe - http://chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/rooms/483/room-for-lix-and-moshe
 
2:17 PM
@Shog9 So you support not having the in chat? :-D
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA how did you get that from my answer?
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA there was a spam flag against one of those chat messages this morning, but the question it linked to was terrible
 
@Shog9 eh?
Now im confused.
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA The title is "close vote seeding in PHP chat" and my answer starts with "I support this wholeheartedly".
(and then continues on to explain why, what should be done to prevent abuse, etc)
 
@Shog9 Did you read the OP?
 
2:21 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA yes
 
I changed the title to fit with the OP...
 
@Shog9 perhaps "I support this use of chat" would make your position clearer?
 
@awoodland ...
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Well that's annoying
 
@Shog9 Well obviously that shows you only read the title to the OP and not the actual OP...
 
you realize this wasn't a [feature-request], right?
He's observed something, brought it up for discussion, identified his concerns and misgivings with it, etc...
 
2:24 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Well obviously you only read the first line of the answer and not the actual content
 
Yes I do realize it.
 
Not everything on Meta needs to be a frickin' battleground
 
And u agreed apparently
 
FFS...
 
which I assumed meant that u agreed that the cv-pls stuff is getting out of hand
 
2:25 PM
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A: Close vote seeding in PHP chat getting out of hand?

Shog9I support the use of chat to coordinate close-voting wholeheartedly - one of the down-sides of the vote-to-close system has always been that questions often don't get closed or re-opened quickly enough. I used IRC for this purpose before chat.SE launched, and chat.SE, with oneboxing and transcrip...

better?
 
@mootinator haha no i ddnt
 
3:06 PM
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Q: How to appeal to undelete an answer deleted by moderator?

user121196 Possible Duplicate: Need a better recourse against frivolous moderator action Is there somewhere to complain about offensive moderator behaviour? How can someone make an appeal to un-delete an answer that was deleted by a moderator? There should at least be an appeal/vote process,...

Mods are crazy. (And by that, I mean "read the mods' answers to that post.")
 
Who's this Tim Post person and why are they leaving a real answer to that particular question.
 
Huh, why are there flags from Feb 1 still waiting in SO's flag queue?
 
They fell behind the sorting machines and were forgotten?
 
Anyone know if the status of this question is still status-declined?
 
3:21 PM
The thing is, the question is already closed as dupe
 
303
Q: Should I be able to cancel my up-vote on a comment?

fretjeLike mentioned on uservoice: For something that can be done so easily by accident, there should be the ability to undo mistakes. I know that I have clicked several times on a comment up-vote without actually wanting to. I would suggest being able to cancel the up-vote (maybe only for a...

I found it because I accidently upvoted a comment I disagree with while trying to get the perma-link for the comment, because I'm used to clicking the arrow on the upper-left of a chat message to get a perma-link to chat messages
 
@Rachel Well, the official tag is still present. That business about deferred is just the author talking, not the team.
 
@Rachel The permalink is the timestamp, in case you still haven't figured it out yet
 
303 MSO users disagree.
 
@YiJiangsProble Thanks, I did know that but I forgot since I am used to clicking arrows on chat messages for perma-links
 
3:24 PM
Yeah... well, Jeff veto'd it. I would like to see it to, actually.
 
@PopularDemand Since the status-declined tag was added so long ago, could we re-consider it?
 
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Q: A new name for Gaming Stack Exchange?

David FullertonIn the past 3 months, Gaming has grown to be one of the largest sites in the Stack Exchange network. Skyrim boosted it into the big leagues in November, and now Mass Effect 3 is showing that that wasn’t a lucky, once-in-a-lifetime event but something that can be repeated. Those events were main...

 
@Rachel Hey, I'm with you, I upvoted it years ago. I have no influence though, official or otherwise.
(Actually, I upvoted so long ago that when I just clicked the upvote button to find out how long it's been, it let me undo the vote.)
 
Check out the comments on this answer. I think I offended someone =/
Oh. And hello and good morning and junkandstuff
 
I DO NOT CARE
 
3:30 PM
Haha. I flagged as NAA and it got declined.
Do you all think I was out of line with any of that? (comment, downvote, or flag?)
 
@jadarnel27 I generally hold off on downvoting answers like that
 
NAA is my most frequently declined flag.
 
Un. Freakin'. Believable.
If I had my way, such a lack of common courtesy would be a bannable offense.
 
I still don't think this is a real answer, FWIW: stackoverflow.com/a/8570561/486620
 
@YiJiangsProble_ Perhaps I should have a waited to see if he responded or updated his answer before DVing
 
3:32 PM
@mootinator That is... cryptic at best.
 
@jadarnel27 I'd just ignore it. You've already pointed out it's a bad answer, but if you downvote working code you'll just drive away users. It's not like he's going to get any points for something like that because it's only really useful to the OP, who has already accepted another answer
 
Unless I can see that the answer is wrong - and not just low quality (that is, without explanation other than code)
 
If the OP could figure it out by "thinking about it," he wouldn't have had to resort to SO in the first place.
 
@PopularDemand Indeed! Also, when I first read that, I thought you said "barnable offense". Which I interpreted various ways before realizing my error.
 
I wouldn't downvote either, though, assuming the code really does work.
 
3:35 PM
Everything aside from 'head is pass by value' is superfluous. And that alone only explains anything if you understand the concept. Which you probably don't if you're asking the question.
 
@Rachel That's a valid concern. My downvote was a bit hasty.
 
Now I need to find a way to work the phrase "barnacle offense" into a Tavern conversation.
 
I'll upvote your comment pointing out it's a bad way to answer a question though :)
 
You caught a wild iPad.
 
Thanks for your feedback folks =) I think I shall revise my flag-comment-downvote policy for "not an answer"s.
 
3:37 PM
@Moshe You know that Ask Different is giving out iPads?
 
@mootinator I'll throw in a new flag, maybe a different mod will handle it.
 
Twitter schedule for March 16: AM - Pictures of Apple Store Lineups, PM - Links to Youtube iPad (3) Unboxing Videos
Sheesh. Everquest won't just die will it.
 
there's a bunch of orphaned tag wiki edits in the edit queue with no buttons showing on them
 
mm...think you're supposed to harass waffles if that happens.
 
freehand red circles in progress :)
 
3:46 PM
@awoodland Quite a few, actually
Isn't there suppose to be some sort of automated system to handle this?
 
I thought so...
 
Argh, why can't I find the post? |:
I wish I could search in my comments..
 
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Q: How do you approve/reject an orphaned suggested edit with no buttons?

animusonI was browsing the suggested edits queue and ran across a suggestion that had no buttons. It's a wiki edit for a tag which appears to no longer exist. It also doesn't appear to be formatted the same as other tag wiki edits. Normally it would say "orphan tag wiki" but this just says "orphan wik...

 
You can always page through them with your hand on Ctrl+F.
 
3:48 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ Yes. I think they call that system "5k-ers with nothing better to do" =)
 
@awoodland Yeah, that one!
 
@jadarnel27 You wish. As the screenshot shows, there's nothing users can do with these
 
@YiJiangsProble_ Oh. Disregard, then. I'm (more) insane (than usual).
How were my eyes not immediately drawn to those freehand circles?
 
Which is why this is so weird - why show these to people who can't do anything about them?
 
@YiJ really?
 
3:51 PM
stackoverflow.com/suggested-edits/221795 <- wouldn't be appropriate without tag sponsorship right?
 
@YiJiangsProble_ You can do something about them. Get out your pointy stick and go dev-poking!
 
The domain name is so silly
 
@YiJiangsProble_ I read that as far as "then" before assuming it probably wasn't english
 
@YiJiangsProble_ That button at the bottom looks awful.
It's like two buttons on top of each other (in IE9, at least)
 
I forgot to account for something in my twitter schedule.
 
3:54 PM
@jadarnel27 Well, the format is the same as me3missions.com, but the Apple one looks rushed out
@jadarnel27 IE9 on an Apple site? :P
 
independentsources.com/2006/07/12/worst-company-urls never noticed that about expertsexchange.com before
 
@YiJiangsProble_ I was a little confused by the criteria at first, heh.
 
@awoodland Really? It's been a running gag on Meta for quite a while now
 
@YiJiangsProble_ Haha, blasphemy!
 
3:55 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ went right over my head every time apparently
 
@mootinator iPad 2012! It's like the brilliant naming scheme they use for Office, Autodesk and Cities XL :D
 
IE9 actually restored my faith in IE as a browser. I mean, I still only use Chrome on my personal computer. But I frequently use IE at work now.
 
it pretty much had to with all those new kids on the block
 
I still get a surprising amount of joy from ripping a tab out of a browser window. It feels like I'm doing something that shouldn't be possible.
 
You know, after the initial excitement of Gaming actually getting a name, the new name seems pretty underwhelming
So, ladies and gentlemen, I present to you our alternative
in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 min ago, by Ullallulloo
@YiJiang Gaming! Answers
 
4:00 PM
Not enough Z in the new name.
 
@mootinator Gaming! AnswerZ
 
YES!
Sex sells. Try Gamgasm
 
@mootinator that's got to be a trademark already
 
Pardon me; Gamgazm
 
although I don't want to search for it at work...
 
4:03 PM
True.
 
@awoodland I'm going to take one for the team and actually search for it.
 
There's a gamegasm wordpress site, not much else.
 
Disappointingly tame
Come on Rule 34!
 
:903868 even though you deleted that I can still see it what it was a reply to
 
@awoodland I've noticed that before. It's a bit odd.
 
4:08 PM
Hmm, it still does even after refreshing
 
but after refreshing my attempt at forcing it to reply to the deleted post turned into a number instead of displaying as an @
 
Where's that SE blog post where they decided mostly against giving each and every SE 2.0 site a unique, hard to understand name and domain name?
nvm found it
 
@RebeccaChernoff ^
 
That's a snazzy up-arrow you've got there @TimStone
 
I like shiny things
 
4:24 PM
@TimStone I [character not found] Unicode
 
:D
 
heh
 
I think you're doing that wrong @YiJiangsProble =P
 
It's Friday and we're lazy, shhh.
 
4:30 PM
Hahaha
 
5:22 PM
EEEEEEEEK
whistles
 
Ma'am, I'm going to have to cite you for eeking without a complaint.
 
I don't have a complaint. I'm just pre-emptively eeeeeeeek'ing because I know what just got deployed. >_<
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So this is like that old Homeland Security color system? "We're raising the alert level to 'EEEEEEEEK'; have fun guessing what that means for you."
 
5:48 PM
@PopularDemand The doomsday EEEEEK is set at three seconds to midnight.
 
someone will figure it out
eventually
(:
 
6:04 PM
hey all
Why was I suspended?
I just noticed that I was
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I blame the php room.
 
@mootinator No i mean on meta. It just said I am suspended for another 15 minutes, then I refreshed the page and it was back to normal,
twas kinda weird..
 
Oh riiight.
Stop being so offensive.
 
oy. i ddnt do anything today on meta aside from adding a bounty
 
An offensive bounty.
 
6:09 PM
Haha but only Mods can suspend me
which mod was offended?
 
do you have an email on your profile? then you got an email when you were suspended.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Which email does it go to? I use two different openids
 
I didn't say openid. I said email.
There's only 1 email field.
 
@RebeccaChernoff is there any way you could find out what the reason is? I can't access gmail in my office.... :-(
@RebeccaChernoff I just checked my email on my iPod, i got nothing from SO
I am unsuspended right now, but I would like to know what I did to get suspended in the 1st place...
Nada... @RebeccaChernoff
Ideas anyone?
 
6:21 PM
@RebeccaChernoff Thats old. That is not in reference to today.
 
well, that's your only suspension.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Odd.
 
Caching caching caching!
Gotta cache 'em all!
 
Haha caching from days ago? lol
 
3 mins ago, by jadarnel27
Caching caching caching!
 
6:33 PM
@jadarnel27 Oy...
 
@RebeccaChernoff Could you quiet down please, some of us are trying to work!
 
@TimStone EEEEEEEEK!
 
@TimStone I call shenanigans. Name these people who are supposedly trying to work.
 
Uh erm ah eh...
 
one person figured out the eek, but not in here (;
 
6:39 PM
It's "Take your daughter to work week" for me.
a.k.a. Feverish/tired toddler snuggling w/me at the home office week.
I'm incredibly lucky she isn't very scream/whiny.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Wait, there's an actual EEEK? I thought it was just Friday and you were excited.
 
Dang, Tim, it's like you don't even check the starred list.
 
I thought excited was OY...
 
@PopularDemand Oddly, I didn't. Carry on, everyone.
 
Or is that annoyed, I'm so confused.
 
6:45 PM
@PopularDemand deployed subliminal messaging to get people to vote Rebecca for new CEO?
 
If new functionality was deployed, someone should totally have updated the list of recent feature changes. coughs
 
There have been two recent status- changes on the main page, but that's too obvious....
 
GERONIMO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I don't think there's a way of doing what I want to.
unless...
 
@TimStone that'd be no fun! q:
 
7:00 PM
@RebeccaChernoff You are moving way down my list of favorite SE employees by not sharing the news ;-)
I'm not sure if you're aware, but it's a pretty big deal to be my favorite SE employee. Just ask around!
 
this particular feature is more fun if it's a surprise when you see it (:
 
It's not this voting stuff is it? |:
 
Rovio!
Awwwwww.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Oh, it is that, isn't it?
 
"|:" o:
 
7:07 PM
@TimStone What voting stuff?
Stop making think on a Friday @RebeccaChernoff!
=)
 
The site will now automatically update post scores, it looks like.
It also does this fade-in, fade-out animation when you vote.
Anyway, not very EEEK worthy. :P
 
@TimStone Haha indeed.
 
I assume that's what she's referring to, anyway.
I'll now resume working.
 
Ohhhhh. I see what you're saying now. I am slow.
 
pfft
it's totally EEEEEEEEK worthy
DON'T TAKE AWAY MY EEEEEEEEK
 
7:16 PM
I really like the auto-updating scores thing. Very very cool.
 
Lix
If everything starts auto-updating then I really hope comment auto-updates will come soon :)
 
@RebeccaChernoff Pssh
 
Hmm... everything still looks the same to me.
Why was I excluded from this build?!
 
I'm pretty sure it's not on SO, just the others. I know I haven't seen it anywhere on SO today. Haven't been anywhere other than Meta, so I haven't seen it either.
 
7:31 PM
In other news, why can't I find a post on SO that's good or bad enough to be worthy of voting?
 
@PopularDemand It doesn't work in IE.
I had to open up Chrome to see it. On Meta.
 
← Firefox user
 
only meta
 
← Chrome Dev User ^_^
 
@TimStone Where and how does it look like? Because obviously, like most other things this new update also doesn't seem to work in Singapore
 
7:47 PM
@YiJiangsProble_ On meta, if you vote on a question or answer, the score number fades in and out when it changes.
 
On the actual post? Not seeing that, even with Chrome
 
@YiJiangsProble_ I almost asked if you'd cleared your cache already. Then I looked at your tags on SO and changed my mind =P
@YiJiangsProble_ I'm using Chrome 17 if that makes a difference.
 
Look, as awesome as I am, I can't drive that much traffic to Apple.Se
 
w00t Chrome 19!
 
8:10 PM
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Q: Who is in charge of putting the ads on Stack Overflow?

JonH This is not the first time I've noticed this but does anyone at SO look at the ads they put up? The "F" in From barely shows up since it goes in real well with the kitchen granite! Last time I checked "Work" wasn't a sentence, so why does it end in a period? "From home" isn't a sentence eithe...

Clearly, we've already fixed all of the Big Issues at Meta. Congrats, everyone!
 
follows links in that question.
finds the comment *Working from home with a child in the house is simply impossible if you're any kind of responsible parent.*
hangs his head in shame.
 
8:31 PM
I haz LTE.
iShmad LTE
 
9:08 PM
Hi all
 
9:21 PM
hey guys, if I have a subjective question to ask (What's your favorite X?) where should I ask it now?
these used to be in community wiki
but that's ... gone?
 
"What's your favorite..." questions are not allowed on any site on the network.
 
community wiki used to be used by some people as an excuse to ask such questions
which is the main reason question can't be created as community wiki anymore
 
argh, so how would I ask a question where I want to know what tools are available?
to solve a problem
knowing ahead of time that there are several and the choice is somewhat subjective?
 
Ask in the related chat room
 
:/
 
9:23 PM
"I have problem X, what tool can I use to solve it?" doesn't sound like "What's your favorite...?" to me
 
It's more like 'I want to do Y in X, what tool should I choose?'... seems like it'll be closed for subjective
 
Most likely...
 
so it's a legitimate question about software development that I can't ask on any SE site
 
At least if you asked it on SO. I'm not familiar with how other sites handle these types of questions
 
i don't think it'll be relevant to Programmers.SE
 
9:26 PM
You can always try, right? At least you'll get some answers (maybe) before it gets closed (if it does)...
 
hmm, yeah, but I'll lose rep. not happy with that.
well, you're right, only one way to find out
stackoverflow.com/questions/2214227/… <-- very similar question, not closed, so I'll probably be OK
 
At 5,000 rep, you should know by now that just because an old question isn't closed doesn't mean a new one won't be.
 
apparently I have fear of rejection :D
 
 
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10:51 PM
I have to go put blue dye in my beer so it has time to diffuse before happy hour. Good call random notification.
 
11:10 PM
Time check~!
Okay, I'm doing this again!
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Q: Why doesn't the Stack Exchange store support PayPal?

Hannes NiederhausenI just bought two mugs in the Stack Exchange Shop. It would have been nice to be able to pay with PayPal. Is there a reason it is not supported? Credit card companies charge a fee for using the card for international payment, PayPal does not; that's why I'd prefer PayPal.

 

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