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12:04 PM
@ManjotSingh: Are you Here
 
@SankarGanesh i was requesting Octavian to give write access to Ziya
 
@ManjotSingh why what happened to ZIya, where to give write access , may be in android room
 
@SankarGanesh actually Octavian suspended many users
i was one among them
i got write access on monday
as he promised me to give write access
i got on monday
 
@ManjotSingh: ok i knew that thenwhat happeneed why blocked from SO
 
then debate started again that he wont be giving any write access to ziya
i was trying to convince octavian
 
12:09 PM
@ManjotSingh why what ziya did , i think ziya may be punished for a week
 
i dont know much about it
i was suspended as you know i was not coming to chat rooms
 
@ManjotSingh ok
 
then balpha came in the evening suspend three of us from stackoverflow
me,Dr.Jackal and wanted
then i came here
 
ok pls dont do mistake, i think balpha will suspend if u did any wrong activited, ok leave it, hereafter be a good man
 
did i disrespect here anyone
 
12:13 PM
I donot know sometimes your words irritating me too.. , but i never give take it as , i simply leave it , i was not able to recall it, if i noted i will tell you,
 
my words irritate you how ?
did i disrespect you ever
 
ok leave the past
 
sure
@SankarGanesh so tell me how to stop audio when app is not running
 
@ManjotSingh first findout so we can recongize the app is stopped , i mean the app is not running
 
@SankarGanesh i had searched but not satisfied with answer
and i lost my rights of asking question on Stackoverflow also
 
12:18 PM
@ManjotSingh oh ok ,
 
@SankarGanesh i mean when app is closed then i shake the phone audio even play
 
@ManjotSingh i have to resarch on this, i will search in my free time and i will tell you
 
sure
 
12:30 PM
@RobinHood hello :)
 
1:18 PM
back again
@Hogan hi how are you?
 
 
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2:21 PM
apparently sleep was a bad idea for me
 
just admit, you haven't looked in your inbox for two weeks just so you can prove to us today that you're a popular guy
 
@ManjotSingh Hiya manjot... in a meeting :(
 
@balpha I've been ignoring my reputation tab on Meta for a few weeks so that I can feel like Jon Skeet. Right now it tells me that I have 617 new reps.
 
@balpha I purposefully pissed off some people yesterday on SO because they had their heads so far up their asses they couldn't breath straight.
I imagine some of those are related. Time to go tab diving.
Also, arguing with a guy on FB about the direction Microsoft is headed with their tablets.
 
2:29 PM
 
@balpha aye.
@PopularDemand no fair augmenting it on purpose
 
@jcolebrand Well, you didn't say that!
 
@PopularDemand ha!
 
@PopularDemand It seems you're in popular demand.
 
I think I actually got it over 200 before the "it's so old we're going to delete it even though you haven't read it" code kicked in.
It's too bad, I was hoping to reach four digits.
Oh, actually, this has been "fixed."
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A: Comment notification grows too large with multiple digits

Jeff AtwoodThere's a certain amount of unavoidable expansion from 1 to 2 digits. Note that we disallow 3 digits here so you will never see more than 99 messages indicated in the global inbox, even if there are hundreds. (I believe there is also a sanity cap on the global inbox anyway, so you can't ever rea...

 
2:34 PM
 
hello :)
 
Asked six hours ago, answered 2, 3 hours ago, accepted 3 hours ago, has a flag. Lovely work, this moderation business.
 
2:51 PM
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Q: Programming Language used to make search engine?

JackHi everyone, I want to know what are the technologies(server-side languages) used to make search engines? I want to go for PHP but heard that it's not good to make search engines.. I'm confused between Python, Java, C++ ... I want master one but heavily confused ! I know that Google's made wit...

Some are just helpless... such lofty goals and yet no capabilities.
 
3:15 PM
Only wise men know that they are fools.
 
@GeorgeMarian and what a fool I am ...
 
And, how!
> Hey! Anyone here? – Jack 1 min ago
ROFL
 
Adonde?
 
That question linked by Fosco.
 
Dear helpful pls I wood lk to fly to the moon not knowing how 2 program it, pls help.
 
3:27 PM
lol
 
Oh, good, typing '. no longer causes the Inspector console to crash my tabs.
And my omnibar no longer sucks. I wonder what they unbroke.
 
@TimStone I see @MichaelMrozek received your payment, but deemed it only enough to downgrade "set you on fire with my mind" to "set your test tools on fire with my mind."
 
It was more of a warning shot. I was going to have my guys break a few fingers, but this seemed easier
 
Hopefully future installments will bring even better things.
 
@MichaelMrozek Your "guys"? People who were unable to pay earlier debts, you mean? You have a whole Ponzi scheme of pain and extortion going on there, don't you?
 
3:36 PM
@PopularDemand {Insert something clever here}
 
@jcolebrand Ha! Hilarious!
 
@PopularDemand I know ;)
 
3:47 PM
I've marked some JUnit tests with the @Ignore annotation, but they're not actually being ignored; anyone have any idea why?
 
@PopularDemand Did you make sure you imported the right annotation?
 
the annotation processing system is ignorant :)
 
@TimStone As far as I know, yes (org.junit.Ignore).
 
How are you running the tests?
 
@TimStone Run As > JUnit Test in MyEclipse.
Ah, it seems to need both @Ignore and @Test, it can't be @Ignore alone.
 
3:54 PM
It runs things that don't have @Test? What's the point of that annotation then?
 
@MichaelMrozek I think only on methods that start with test, for backwards-compatibility.
I think there's also a case where it refuses to ignore things marked with @Ignore, but I don't remember why I ran into that..
 
4:14 PM
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Q: How many disk seeks does it take to write one row on SQLite?

DavidAs far as I understand, there can be one disk-seek per rotation of a harddisk, therefore I am interested to know how many disk seeks are needed for writing a row to an SQLite table, including locking etc. Assume that there are no indexes on the table (not even a primary key). I assume that there ...

needs moar visibility
 
4:33 PM
Anybody around?
 
@Wether Yep.
 
@PopularDemand Hi Popular!
 
Hello. What's up?
 
Perhaps you can help my curiosity
 
I take it back; @Ignore @Test didn't fix the issue. A different error must have prevented JUnit from encountering that method at all, before.
 
4:41 PM
many moons ago I have posted a popular answer. It's quite old now. Today it received a LOT of upvotes. I'm curious about whether it is plain vandalism or it has being linked in some social network. Is there any way to know?
 
@Wether I suppose you could Google for the URL? Leave a comment asking someone? I can't think of any definitive way. Was it edited or otherwise bumped?
 
Google did not help. There are links all around, but all of them are old. Leaving a comment will not help either, as there is a very large comment thread there, so it will remain mostly unread
 
If you're really curious, you could ping a mod to check the incoming traffic logs, but I have no idea if they would indulge you.
 
I thought only devs can do that.
 
Whoops, that's what I meant to say. Too late to edit it now, though.
 
4:52 PM
Mods can check which sites have referred visitors on a given day, so that might be sufficient if the post got enough hits in a short time period
 
I am curious! The answer received 82 votes in less than one day. I don't want to bother anyone, though :)
 
oy I need a haircut
@Wether only on days that have a D in them in English
 
Will someone at SEI give Michael Mrozek a job already?
 
@PopularDemand actually, only a dev can do that.
@PopularDemand and me!
 
@jcolebrand Yes, we established that I made a typing boo-boo.
 
4:59 PM
@PopularDemand yay for reading the transcript topdown ... or is that boo for reading the transcript topdown ... I can never remember
 
Why must you focus only on my errors? I'm not going to accept the perfectly reasonable answer "volume"!
 
@MichaelMrozek I don't think the traffic generated by one answer will be noticeable within the whole lot
 
@Wether Well, a burst of traffic from a single site that doesn't normally link to SO might stand out, but you're probably right
 
@jcolebrand It's yay, but only if you prevent yourself from responding until you're done reading.
 
@PopularDemand I don't do that obviously, so boo
@Wether if it's linked to directly, it could be. Is it possible it was on reddit or hackernews or slashdot or digg or stumbleupon or twitter?
Twitter may well have been the cause for it
 
5:04 PM
@jcolebrand Found links there (in almost all of them), but they are old links
 
@Wether alas, we may never know
 
yep
 
@PopularDemand because if I constantly just congratulated you it would devolve into a shallow copy of this room
 
@jcolebrand [insert your own shallow copy/deep copy joke]
 
@PopularDemand bahahahahahaha, wipes single tear from cheek ... priceless
 
5:29 PM
Let me buy things from the Stack Exchange store with Internet Dollars (AKA Stack Exchange site rep). (@anyoneWhoCanMakeThisHappen)
 
status-good-luck-with-that
 
5:40 PM
sometimes that works
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Q: Programmers Stack Exchange swag for top users

Jeff AtwoodAs a thank you for being awesome, if you are on page 1 or page 2 of … http://programmers.stackexchange.com/users?tab=reputation&filter=all … we'll be sending you a little care package shortly: Programmers Stack Exchange t-shirt in your size Programmers Stack Exchange die-cut...

 
Damn, page 164. Maybe next time
 
sooooooooooooooo close there Mrozek.
 
@wether which one?
 
Those two suggested edits I made were good, but not quite enough
 
930
A: Understanding "randomness"

belisariusJust a clarification Although the previous answers are right whenever you try to spot the randomness of a pseudo-random variable or its multiplication, you should be aware that while Random() is usually uniformly distributed, Random()*Random() is not. Example So, both are "random", but the...

 
5:49 PM
I was a very active user on programmers during beta but then I kinda fizzle out.
 
@MichaelMrozek Ask him to revisit it after you get a policy implemented that gives +2 rep per character changed.
 
@MichaelMrozek, you should probably get busy on AU, you wouldn't want to miss out on that! Only 61 pages to go!
 
 
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6:57 PM
@RebeccaChernoff FYI, there's a new Chrome dev update out that seems to have fixed the issues I was having in the previous version, so it's presumably safe to update again. :P
 
7:35 PM
@TimStone wait, you can choose when to or when not to update chrome dev?
 
By not restarting, sure.
 
Ahhhh
This orange avi is rather disconcerting
and it's mine no less
 
Hello
 
7:50 PM
Aaand that's one project off the list! \O/
 
Yatta!
 
@PopularDemand I'm disappointed; they could've gone for the infinity symbol instead
 
@badpssockpuppet JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THAT JEFF AND THE DEVS DON'T CARE ABOUT THE USERS, NO SIRREE
 
damn, you caught us.
 
@RebeccaChernoff well it was obvious weren't it? ;)
 
8:02 PM
clearly we don't care about you at all!
 
I notice you picked two sites I'm wildly inactive on
 
@RebeccaChernoff Honestly, I'm not sure why you didn't just hand the keys to DevDays to Michael Mrozek and tell him to go nuts.
 
@RebeccaChernoff because I'm active on neither gaming nor programmers?
 
8:12 PM
@jcolebrand Really? What'd it do to piss off the OED people?
> Censure is a procedure for publicly reprimanding a public official for inappropriate behavior.
 
@PopularDemand because kitten was a euphemism, so it was removed from the lyrics for the "clean" version of the song.
 
You missed my point.
 
I'm presuming since the group sang the point on the radio, they were deemed public personalities, ergo co-related to public officials.
 
And sorry, the image of a bunch of linguists yelling at a word, especially "kitten," was too funny to me for me to resist pointing that out.
@jcolebrand Eh, never mind.
 
@PopularDemand oh sure, you say that now :p
 
8:15 PM
@jcolebrand ?
 
@PopularDemand ??
 
@jcolebrand @PopularDemand ???
...
 
"censure" != "censor"
 
not so much @Moshe
@PopularDemand I know
 
raises brow
 
8:25 PM
@TimStone Hey! Put that back down! You break it, you buy it!
 
he was making a point that the article I linked used bad grammar, and I was being silly.
 
@PopularDemand It's OK, it's currently on sale anyway.
 
@jcolebrand Yeah, I... couldn't figure out what was going on on your end of the Intertube.
 
@PopularDemand it was being washed. The bits were all falling on top of each other. It was 'orrible. There was 'umanity everwhere
 
Okay... that's clearly enough Tavern for one day.
 
8:31 PM
@PopularDemand Found it: it was reddit
 
Wait, Reddit linked to a post that was good?
 

It's on Sale Anyway.

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@MichaelMrozek - What's your Urban Terror username?
 
@MichaelMrozek I am not sure about the good part, but it was linked
 
@Moshe I think it's Morasique. I don't play very often
 
@MichaelMrozek The result was 100 upvotes. Lots of people there
 
8:34 PM
@MichaelMrozek - Okay, perhaps we can make up a time at some point. Not for a while though, I won't really be available (and I'm sure you're busy too) for a coupla weeks.
 
Okay, so following on from the discussion yesterday... is this off-topic?
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Q: Alternatives to Crystal Reports

udowhich alternative reporting software applications besides Crystal Reports do you recommend for generating reports from DB sources? please also include some comments regarding strength/weaknesses of the recommended application. Thanks.

 
@PopularDemand spo'lsport
 
@jcolebrand Heh.
 
@PopularDemand that might be on-topic on SO, but on SU it seems off-topic, to me at least
granted, I'm not the most knowledgeable about SU topics
idk, it is about software, and it does not appear to be a shopping rec
 
@jcolebrand How is it not a shopping rec?
It's "list me some products that do X," where X is "stuff Crystal Reports does."
 
8:37 PM
ok, I rethought my position cos this line is irritating me to no end:
> please also include some comments regarding strength/weaknesses of the recommended application.
someone should
 
@jcolebrand Did you notice he briefly came back in one of the last episodes of the season that just finished?
 
@PopularDemand I did not.
 
flagging the flame war
 
@jcolebrand He was in the opening scene (as in, pre-couch gag) in a fighter jet with GLOBEX markings.
 
@Wether adonde?
 
8:41 PM
@jcolebrand I saw a flame war right on my monitor ... wait ... seems an animated gif
 
Thank you reddit i.imgur.com/s53P7.png
 
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Q: Are A51 proposals valid Gaming ads?

MosheAre Community Promotion ads a valid place for Area 51 proposal ads? Here's why I think it would be a valid candidate ad: SE Podcast #6 was all about the gamification of Stack Exchange. Area 51 proposals are games as well Games are valid candidates for Community Promotion ads If 1 and 3 are tr...

 
@jcolebrand Nice story
 
@Moshe Uh, Area 51 proposals already get their own ads...
 
Right, but at what point of the proposal?
 
8:45 PM
Commitment.
 
Ok.
 
"Area 51 proposals are games as well" is a fairly ridiculous argument anyway
 
is measuring ween size on SO a valid argument stance?
Some guy wants to argue database terminology with me :p
however, he does have a stronger history in only databases, where I'm more of a generalist
 
The fact that it's already framed as an argument doesn't bode well ;) What's the disagreement over, anyway?
 
what's the diff between a compound and a composite key
and I quote wikipedia, which I believe to be right in this case.
 
8:54 PM
Well, I know what a compose key on a keyboard is. Let me know when you want me to join the argument
 
@MichaelMrozek No, you don't.
 
Oh. That's good to know then
 
@PopularDemand Haa! got the full story. Someone posted in Reddit, and then an "Influential" twitted the reddit link
 
@Wether What's an "influential"?
 
mistery solved
@PopularDemand I am not a twitter user, but I guess they (or somebody else) classify users by their number of followers
 
9:00 PM
I see. To Wikipedia and/or Google!
 
@PopularDemand This is the guy topsy.com/twitter/eddieawad
 
@jcolebrand (to me, and in looking, a database design book I have) a composite key is a candidate key, consisting of more than one attribute. Since the composite key is a candidate key, the individual attributes cannot be candidate keys. The book doesn't say anything about compound keys, but I'd personally consider them keys formed from combining multiple keys.
 
@eddieawad, Beaverton, Oregon, USA
Oracle developer/DBA and tech geek. Creator of @OraNA and @OracleCommunity
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@TimStone which is what I said. And he disputed that.
a composite key may or may not also contain a simple key
 
Oh, yeah, I'm not sure how that'd be correct.
I can see where there might be room for debate on the compound key, but hrm.
 
@jcolebrand 101 upvotes coming form there. He is definitively "influential"
 
9:05 PM
@Wether I don't disagree there. I only wanted to link to the actual twitter handle, rather than that social media dumping ground that you have there.
@TimStone why not? A composite key may have other keys. A compond key is required to be all keys. A candidate key may not be a key at all. I think the three are quite distinct.
 
@jcolebrand Yep. Thanks. I don't twit, so I am pretty out of my business here
 
@jcolebrand Ah, yes, it seems I disagree with Wikipedia. A composite key cannot have keys in it, because it is a candidate key.
 
except a candidate key is really over a relation, not an entity
 
@Wether The worst thing is that that wasn't even a good question.
 
@PopularDemand was this the randomness question?
 
9:12 PM
@jcolebrand Yep.
 
@PopularDemand It's not bad if you never took a probability class
 
I'm not sure what issue that causes, but yes.
 
@Wether Okay, I communicated poorly. It's an okay question, but it doesn't belong on SO.
 
well stats.SE didn't exist at the time ;)
can we vote to migrate nao?
 
That's no excuse, and I suppose we could but good luck with that.
 
9:16 PM
@PopularDemand I think it should be written as "should I use random()*random() if I need a better random generator in my program". But it was what it was
 
@Wether That would have been slightly better, but there's not much you can do to change the fact that it's ultimately a probability question, not a programming question. The fact that many programming languages happen to have a random() function is incidental.
 
@PopularDemand May be. But I am not a good judge. personally I don't fully agree with the official policy of restricting scope and open narrower sites.
 
@Wether Fair enough.
 
9:48 PM
Never enough votes allowed in a day
 
@Wether Isn't random()/random() more random?
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@Hogan wouldn't that be considered roughly the same as random()*random()
@Hogan also note: stats.stackexchange.com
 
oh oh... I mean random()+random().
how about machine1.random() * machine2.random()
 
@Hogan same difference.
 
@jcolebrand I would think you know me well enough
to @Wether I apologize.
 
9:59 PM
@Hogan I know ;)
 
@Wether I'm joking... ny sarcasm I'm afraid.
 
@Hogan Ok. :)
 
So we're going to get CSS animations before anyone can be bothered to let us scroll tbodies huh? Good job W3C. shakes head
 
actually... machine1 and machine2 could matter if they had different random() algorithms. (ie one is scanning electron noise or some such.)
 
@Hogan Anyway please note that random()/random() could result in NAN, so it is not random at all :)
 
10:02 PM
hmph... I think NAN should be considered random.
@Wether well it would be a random event.
 
@TimStone the way I abuse tbodies, I'm ok with that
 
@Hogan The image of a Random Variable are typically the Real numbers :)
 
I wish tables had a grouping mechanism aside from tbody, to allow for multiple levels of nesting related data structures
 
@jcolebrand Yeah, I'd be down for that as well.
 
For that matter, I wish the ASP.NET controls for WebForms had a better grasp of data displaying than "table"
 
10:05 PM
I'd also like my tables to be able to scroll without having to jump through flaming hoops. :P
 
@TimStone use divs ;)
 
Take even the tabular data out of the tables, eh? What has the world come to? Hahah.
 
I figure at that point it's not really tabular data except in spirit
Here ya go Tim
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Q: How can we display additional spaces using markdown?

jcolebrandhttp://stackoverflow.com/posts/6220514/revisions I tried to make these characters: [var str = "Some \ ] show as having a space at the end without the brackets involved, but was not able to. While that would be doable on var str = "Some \ that syntax, it's hard to indicate there's a space aft...

 
I like my table data to be displayed on chairs not tables.
 
@Hogan I prefer my women to lounge on couches not chairs
... oh, wrong forum eh? Sorry that.
 
10:15 PM
@jcolebrand No.
 
@TimStone a crying shame that is
 
11:08 PM
Anyone see Robinhood?
 
11:28 PM
Or is it Robin Hood?
 
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