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7:00 PM
@Shog9 But we loves hir/hem!
 
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Q: Why do programming books use "her" more than "him"

John IsaacksFirst of all, I am not sexist and I really don't care what generic term people use when referring to a fictional person as her or him. However, I do find it interesting that everywhere else the generic person is almost always referred to as "him" but in almost every computer book I read the gener...

^^^ two close votes. And so it begins...
 
Wishful thinking
lol!
 
@Shog9 I was about to agree, until I realized what site it was from.
 
I feel more and more that changing the name from "not programming related" was a bad, bad choice
 
But, wait. Has Pollyanna actually announced an intention quit MSO, or is this just a particularly long break?
 
7:03 PM
How can anything get closed on Programmers except dupes?
 
@PopularDemand Beats me. For all I know, he's here right now. Perhaps under an improbable pseudonym, like "Jin" or "rchern"
He's definitely not in my basement though. So don't even bother looking there.
 
@Shog9 Ah, good to know. By the way, how is them doing down there?
 
I'm having a hard time figuring out how to upvote questions in Programmers, since I've trained myself to never upvote subjective questions in SO.
 
7:23 PM
@LanceRoberts I go with my gut instinct for voting on Programmers questions. It's a more or less a blend of three factors: "do I like this question," "do I find this question to be about an interesting programmer-related topic" and "would this question help me or Joe Generic Programmer's career."
That said, I haven't been terribly excited about many of the questions that have been posted, so I haven't been too active.
There definitely are -- or at least were -- people churning out questions as quickly as they could type, so there's no shortage of content.
 
7:39 PM
@rchern what is the refresh rate of the data for stackflair?
 
And just because this morning I tried to give FF4b6 a try, it's IE9b's turn to make a good impression!
 
I have returned
yey for looooong meetings... not...
@PopularDemand I do check replies and I saw that post
Thank you! That is very enlightening, and very reassuring to know I'm not alone
> It took me another fifteen years to realize that the principle of Fire and Motion is how you get things done in life. You have to move forward a little bit, every day. It doesn't matter if your code is lame and buggy and nobody wants it. If you are moving forward, writing code and fixing bugs constantly, time is on your side.
That I found very meaningful as my team just had that discussion yesterday... and last week, and the week before :-)
Good to know I'm not alone
 
@badp Ooh, was that finally released today?
 
I saw a good review of IE9..
 
It was! Sweet!
 
@TheUnhandledException you're quite welcome. As mentioned earlier, I have just discovered Joel on Software, so all his stuff is fresh in my mind.
 
@PopularDemand I have known about Joel on Software for over a year but have only started paying attention and realizing how excellent it is :-)
 
@Fosco, 24 hours.
 
@rchern ok thank you.
 
Hm... Vista → 7, should I upgrade or clean install?
 
7:59 PM
I always recommend a clean install.
 
@LanceRoberts I do the same as on SO: up-vote stuff I like, down-vote stuff I don't like. But unlike SO, I don't vote to close subjective stuff.
 
vgv8 is back.
Wait, what?
A suspended user just edited a question.
 
I, vgv8, spit on your puny "rules"! Why?
@PopularDemand (do you perhaps mistake the community user for vgv8?)
 
@Shog9 Yes, yes I do.
I checked the revision history and only noted the user, not the date.
 
8:16 PM
2
Q: How many times is SO going to ask if I am human?

JackNShouldn't SO be able to remember that I am human. Do I have to stay human to keep using SO?

Is it Friday in Iceland?
 
Weeks are one day long in Iceland.
 
Holy Intercourse With Excrements Having Batman. IE9 can -- listen up-- PAUSE DOWNLOADS
 
@PeterAjtai More like "one long [Fri]day."
 
It doesn't support SO chat but -- man.
 
8:24 PM
@badp Is that with the ProductivityBooster enabled?
 
@PopularDemand exactly.
 
Listen to the wording folks; we don't have to support it - it should support us ;p
 
@MarcGravell Especially since any developer worth a damn should be in here already! ;-)
 
Jon Skeet
chat user since 2010-07-05
last message 34 days ago
last seen 34 days ago
 
2
Q: Is writing "will upvote..." appropriate?

Oren ASome questions contain sentences like "will upvote everyone that will provide a valid code" or something similar. When hovering over the upvote Icon of an answer, SO defines that it should be pressed for a "useful" answer. I personally think writing sentences like the above imply that the writer ...

@PopularDemand Got a lot of clone site (weask, gooduser) results when I searched for examples for that.
 
8:31 PM
evening
 
@systempuntoout Salut.
 
Hey @systempuntoout
 
@PopularDemand I feel much better now
in The Roach Motel, 4 mins ago, by The Unhandled Exception
Just got a log auto-emailed to me that shows my bugfix code ran, and solved the issue. I am happy
For a bug which has been driving me INSANE for weeks
 
@TheUnhandledException Well done.
 
8:36 PM
Thanks :-)
And it was solved after a few $2 Mash House Reds -- I hereby vote those be served on tap here in the Tavern. Clearly has a positive effect on bugfixing!
 
8:52 PM
doesn't look bad at all
 
Nope
I'd rather look at it in my browser but I guess I didn't post quite enough thousand tweets yet
 
9:13 PM
0
Q: Notification envelope title - Why do you use the term "replies" ?

systempuntooutOk, useless suggestion here. I don't get why notification envelope title talks in term of replies with You have no new replies or You have new replies messages. Since envelope alerts you of various events like new answers or comments (where replies is ok) but also badges or favorites changes (w...

Vote thingadongdong in 2010!
 
bahaha
nitpicking
 
What can I say, @Grace stole that question out from under you.
 
@balpha I don't get it. What's different? Why is there a video with poorly-sugared crepes in it?
 
@sys I upvoted you, but I'm not a fan of "messages"; sounds too much like e-mail.
 
thanks..dunno, notifications?
sounds bad
 
9:18 PM
@PopularDemand You have 9 new thingadongdongs. Check your thingadongdongs.
 
oO
 
awesome
 
@badp I keep clicking on this but it's not doing anything. I want my thingadongdongs!
 
@PopularDemand Let me send you a thingadongdong.
 
@Shog9 "What's different?" -- well, for one thing, it looks like they're trying to make the web UI not suck so much
as for the crepes -- that movie's just a piece of art, you shouldn't question it
or even try to understand
 
9:22 PM
Or is it "thingsadongdong," like Attorneys General?
 
@PopularDemand Here is your thingadongdong. There are many like it, but this one is yours.
 
@balpha It looks the same to me... Same shitty twitty. Is this one of those Google-style deals, where only some users can see it?
 
I don't think they have it rolled out yet
 
status-thingadongdong
 
9:25 PM
@balpha oh.
 
G'bye, yinz all.
 
You leaving @Pop?
103
Q: About your f***ing website.

Jeff AtwoodPresented for your enjoyment-slash-amusement. Email received by team@stackoverflow.com from Name Jesus Christ Almighty, what a f***ing mess of a website. I'm trying to post a question. Just the one, you know, f***ing question. So I sign up for an ID and I'm sent an email that doesn't real...

now I regret it and want to delete it. Any two kind souls want to downvote it for me so I can at least net a bronze badge out of this experience? ;-)
 
/me wonders if "flag as spam" would be funnier...
 
@TheUnhandledException Tsk, I'm going to upvote it so you can get the opposite badge
 
@Mar Probably, but that doesn't help a pal out! ;-)
 
9:28 PM
@TheUnhandledException Tsk, I'm going to upvote it so you can get the opposite badge
0
A: About your f***ing website.

The Unhandled ExceptionOh f***! Some people...

 
@badp HAHA, that works too! :-)
 
or lock it for posterity ;p
 
-1 for all-caps asterisks
 
OK, wait, this is not working right...
 
@balpha Fixed
 
9:30 PM
@balpha wait, WHAT!?!?!?
 
@badp no, those asterisks are still upper-case
 
What exactly is a lowercase asterisk? A bullet point??
@balpha better now? :-)
 
@MarcGravell "OH F★★★"those are uppercase asterisks
2
 
@badp Agreed.
 
-1 for multiple exclamation points
0
A: About your f***ing website.

The Unhandled ExceptionOH F•••!!!! Some people...

 
9:32 PM
LOL
I forsaw upvotes instead of downvotes... I just didn't see a split. I've been foiled again!!!
 
Come up with the next reason @balpha, 2 more edits to CW
 
LOL @badp
> LOL. NO
 
-1 for using three dots instead of the typographically correct ellipsis
 
> You've earned the "Cleanup" badge for About your f***ing website.. See your profile.
 
fixed
 
9:34 PM
/me cheers
 
lol, three identical edits -- meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/64628/revisions
 
-1 for all-caps asterisks
 
0
A: About your f***ing website.

The Unhandled ExceptionOh F***! Some people…

 
5 mins ago, by badp
@MarcGravell "OH F★★★"those are uppercase asterisks
Seems like you are running out of ideas, good sir
 
9:38 PM
oh come on, what does marc know?
 
this is f***ng hysterical :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException -1 for not using unicode smile -1 for starting with lowercase -1 for no end of sentence period
 
This discussion will result into creating EnglishLint
 
9:41 PM
-1 needz moar jquery
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Is there a badge for the funniest revision history? :-)
 
SE sites need a "This question was recently mentioned in a chat room. Don't be surprised by incomprehensible edit wars" notification
 
@balpha ...aaaand fixed.
 
9:44 PM
That's definitely some people.
 
like the answer's original author...? :-)
 
wait, you were expecting multiple hits on #people? -1 for borking the html...
 
@MarcGravell Yeah, "people" is generally considered to be the plural of "person"...
 
@MarcGravell What do you mean borking? It works perfectly on IE5
 
9:47 PM
now ".person :odd" I could understand...
 
Sshhh... we have one of those ourselves @marcgravell
 
Ok, now who's gonna say -1 for IE5... come on, I know someone will...
 
(dupe ids i mean)
 
@MarcGravell Oh. Touché.
 
cards?
 
9:48 PM
I think I remember something like that in the activity graphs for the profile page but am not too sure -- nope.
 
if the room owner is also present, the room info page has two #user-12345
 
nose!
 
that was the one I was thinking of. Simple solution: the owner is no longer allowed into the room.
 
@balpha AHHHH!!! NOOO!!! That means that thˇÏ‡ÁˆÏ◊Áˇ‡‰ÎÏˇÁNO CARRIER
 
0
Q: Are there plans to include pingback functionality in SE 2.0?

BryantThe pingback protocol specifies a method for CMS software to alert another Web site that someone's posted something linking to the other Web site. This might have some value for SE sites -- there's some SEO value, but it's also a great way to automatically increase awareness of SE sites on topic-...

MAXIMISE SEO VALUE!!
 
9:55 PM
OK... WHO ELSE UPVOTED!?!?!
Obviously some even person, I suppose. :-)
 
Okay, removed my downvote. I can live with the answer now.
 
as shared by Jeff over twitter
 
-1 for not using the document-ready function for your jquery
 
so I'm back to zero. I suppose there's balance in nature... or something
 
@MarcGravell Look, I was considering to start tinkering with jQuery, but not in an edit war on meta for a post waiting deletion
 
10:01 PM
> Maybe Prototype.js will invoke more downvote goodness?
 
oh great, you can't install IE9b without overwriting IE8
 
@balpha Virtual Machine!!
@rchern you hate pointless noise, right??
I know @MichaelMrozek does... oh wait, he also has the power to kick me... I mean...
/me said nothing
 
resists temptation to change that into $$('.people :odd').invoke('can_has_downvote','ploz'); .
 
Want to build a Facebook clone? just type jQuery.socialNetwork();
4
 
Oh! @Fosco can help me out!!
I know he will, right buddy? I can has downvotes??
damnit
lol
 
10:06 PM
what?
 
@Fosco to reduce bandwidth, you might want to change that to $.socialNetwork();
 
@Fosco Oh that wasn't you? LOL
Well now I'm at +3/-3, a perfect split, so I don't know what to ask for, LOL
I'm about to give up and just delete the thing already :-)
 
upvotes! Disciplined is harder to get
 
@TheUnhandledException .. do you want an up or down vote on that?
@TheUnhandledException and do you want fries?
 
Yes, I think @badp is right, upvote, please!
And give the fries to @balpha -- he deserves em :-)
 
10:07 PM
done.
 
@balpha it is still IE then...
 
-1 for begging for votes
 
@balpha HEY! I GAVE YOU MY FRIES!!!
 
+5/-4
 
@balpha you're supposed to flag for that
 
10:08 PM
I have a diamond, so my flag would be binding
 
@balpha YES!
 
where's the fun in that?
 
for everyone else, it's pointless, or at best cathartic
 
you party spoiler
 
10:09 PM
I don't want to have to upvote TUE again above 2k!!
 
1
Q: What's a reasonable version of Windows to support for a new .Net application?

Hanno FietzIf I develop a .Net application that's going to run on WinXP and Vista, as well as on a modern Mac or Linux under Mono, what are older versions of Windows where I will have to start thinking carefully if I want to support them? Does Windows 2000 for example run .Net and is it capable of any versi...

^^ will upvote helpful facts
 
Oh it's just a little harmless fun @Shog9 :-)
 
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Q: How do YOU deploy your WSGI application? (and why it is the best way)

Ali ADeploying a WSGI application. There are many ways to skin this cat. I am currently using apache2 with mod-wsgi, but I can see some potential problems with this. So how can it be done? Apache Mod-wsgi (the other mod-wsgi's seem to not be worth it) Pure Python web server eg paste, cherrypy, Spaw...

^^^ will upvote any answer that's not insane
 
@TheUnhandledException so long as people aren't trying to get religious wars on as we build our badge empire here
@Shog9 You want content?
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Q: Increase tag length limit to 30 characters.

badpYou don't have to go exotic and pull games like "Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu" (25) or "むかしむかしあるところにとてつもなく仲の悪いツインテールの姉妹姫様がいらっしゃいましたとさ" (9001); even more common games like "Need for Speed: Most Wanted" (30) or "Spider-man: Shattered Dimensions" (26) just do not fit in 24 characters. When you conside...

Have some freaking content
 
yooou could haaave it alll, my empire of badges, I will let you down, I will give you badgers
 
10:11 PM
LOL
 
heading off -- night all
 
Later @balpha!
 
me too. Night guys
 
seeya @badp
Hey @Dennis -- how goes?
 
Fine and you?
 
10:24 PM
Doing well thanks
 
bigown shows insight:
> Interesting, the same user post about love the reader here (programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/552/…) and got lots of down vote. In this post he earn lots of up vote. People prefer be hated than loved. – bigown 35 mins ago
 
Wait, I can't go from the onebox to the original...?
or is that just a quote?
 
that's just a quote
sadly, can't paste rich text into this
and there's no onebox for comments
 
Ah, OK
makes sense
Was it deleted, because I don't see it... maybe I'm just missing something :-)
I did just spend 10 minutes looking for a javascript bug which turned out to be innerHTML was written as innerHtml, so my missing something is likely
 
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A: What's your least favorite thing about programming?

Mr. CProgrammers All of them. Especially you.

 
10:34 PM
@Shog9 Thanks
 
evening all
 
I was missing something, I was looking at
-9
A: Who is your biggest idol / role model?

Mr. CYou are, baby. Don't you know that you're my hero?

Hey @rchern, how goes?
 
good good
et tu?
 
speaking of love and hate, I'm think "spaghetti casserole" for supper
 
@Shog9 LOL
@rchern bene, gratzie!
 
10:37 PM
@TheUnhandledException it's "gratzie"
 
@Shog9 That was interesting. Who is this "Mr. C", he's prety creepy! ;-)
 
and pronounced like "grahts-yay"
 
I'll give you three guesses, and the first two don't count
 
@Fosco Isn't that what I said? ;-)
@Shog9 I guess: @Fosco, @rchern, and you?
er
I love editing
 
there you go. Of course, you could have just checked related accounts
 
10:39 PM
@Shog9 I did :-)
 
good man
 
I'm not sure I understand the logic @Shog9... Just being provocative or...?
 
huh? what and me?
 
@TheUnhandledException I thought that one was pretty funny.
 
@rchern He asked me to guess who "Mr. C" was on programmers.stackexchange.com, and said the first two guesses didn't count. So I guessed you and @Fosco first because you two were active :-)
@LanceRoberts The "You are baby" answer I did too.
I just didn't get the "What do you hate most about programming" / "programmers", unless it was just facetious provocation...
 
10:43 PM
Stop @'ing me when there's nothing for me to respond to :)
 
Seemed like some hard humor.
 
@LanceRoberts I think probably so.
@Fosco Aye Aye :-)
 
ah ok
i wonder why the sound notification isn't going off
 
@rchern It is for me, and apparently it is for @Fo... er, Fosco
 
iunno
 
10:51 PM
I need to fix one more bug and then I can leave for the day
 
@TheUnhandledException I have no idea why people ask those questions... but fun's fin!
 
@Shog9 Isn't that what that whole SE site was for? ;-)
I liked this answer a lot:
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A: Which programming language do you really hate?

Mr. CVisual Basic (especially the VB6 generation) When folks gripe about the language syntax or features they dislike, there is a tendency for them to jump to a logical extreme, describing examples of use or misuse that make it seem irredeemably dangerous or stupid. Well, VB programmers made that id...

Very well said
 
@TheUnhandledException, I'm on the other end...I want to write new code, just can't decide on the design.
 
@rchern I wish I was there! Maybe after our new product leaves beta :-)
 
Hehe. Well, my program isn't job-related, so that probably helps.
 
10:54 PM
That it does! So does:
8 hours ago, by rchern
I like feature requests better than bugs.
:-)
 
(:
I'm very curious to see how many of the StackFlair's that were generated today get renewed. As in, people are actually using it rather than just checking it out. Hehe.
 
@rchern I'd bet more than 75%!
It's a great little app
 
(I store the timestamp for when the data is downloaded, and then that'll be updated if it is over 24 hours. So if there's anything in there over 24 hours, it isn't being loaded. Easy tracking :P
I cleared the database this morning when I added the image code. I was storing the html string in the database, but now I'm storing the actual data values and building the image/html each time. Kinda had to clear. There were 40 entries when I cleared. There's 11 now.
 

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