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5:00 PM
@rchern What does WOB stand for?
 
(;
@YiJiang think real hard about what we were just talking about q:
 
@rchern Oh, right. Excuse me, it's one AM here.
That means I'm not legally responsible for half the stuff coming out of my mouth
 
No excuses!
 
1am? Hardcore.
 
@rchern If I stay up until 3am it'll be 100%
 
5:04 PM
@YiJiang Really? Tell me more about your fascinating legal system!
 
@PopularDemand You want the death penalty for anyone caught with more than 20 grams of heroine part or the homosexuality is illegal part?
Both makes for a very fascinating discussing believe me
 
ummm
what did I miss here @YiJiang?
 
@TheUnhandledException Both are real laws in Singapore. Oh, and no chewing gums too.
 
Those are laws in Singapore
They also severely dislike chewing gum..
Oh, he beat me to it :P
 
@YiJiang Wow...
 
5:10 PM
 
I feel like I should make some great social comment on that, but, I'm coming up empty right now...
 
durians?..
 
For clarification, durians are a very smelly fruit :P
 
But do they sell crabs in vending machines??
 
@TheUnhandledException Erm... no
The durian () is the fruit of several tree species belonging to the genus Durio and the Malvaceae family (although some taxonomists place Durio in a distinct family, Durionaceae). Widely known and revered in southeast Asia as the "king of fruits", the durian is distinctive for its large size, unique odour, and formidable thorn-covered husk. The fruit can grow as large as long and in diameter, and it typically weighs one to three kilograms (2 to 7 lb). Its shape ranges from oblong to round, the colour of its husk green to brown, and its flesh pale yellow to red, depending on t...
Hmm.. The Wikipedia excerpt didn't cover it's exquisite smelliness
 
> ... its odor is best described as pig-shit, turpentine and onions, garnished with a gym sock. It can be smelled from yards away. Despite its great local popularity, the raw fruit is forbidden from some establishments such as hotels, subways and airports, including public transportation in Southeast Asia
 
(crab vending machine)
 
Those things are nasty. They smell like rotten eggs.
 
Why do people eat it, then?
 
@YiJiang Gross. Dare I ask what they taste like?
 
5:13 PM
@TheUnhandledException Hey, Nanjing. That's my hometown.
@TheUnhandledException They taste wonderful if you can get past the smell
 
nose clips?
 
@YiJiang I notice a conspicuous lack of "Fine $xxx" text under "No durians."
 
@YiJiang ...
 
@rchern It's true. :P
 
5:14 PM
@PopularDemand You get thrown out if they smell it. I think.
 
@YiJiang "Fine: your dignity"
 
@PopularDemand Apparently you can't put a price on that
 
@TimStone insert your own priceless/worthless joke here
 
Ahahah
@balpha +1,000,000
 
holy shit that was awesome
 
5:18 PM
An extra +1 because @rchern was the unwitting victim.
 
same here... it was fixed!
 
Hahah :P
 
The magic number in the parameter is obviously her user-id. Just swap that out with someone else's
 
an extra +1 to @balpha because he got paid to write that.
 
That was awesome @balpha!
sadly my break time is over and XMPP commands still don't show any sign of wanting to work
I'm headed back to work now @PopularDemand. You can stop timing me ;-)
Catch everyone later!
 
5:23 PM
@TheUnhandledException See ya!
 
Erm
Victim?
What did I miss while I wasn't here?
 
Hehe
 
|:
 
@rchern :)
 
):
 
5:29 PM
Actually, I don't think live crabs were ever a delicacy in China
 
@rchern copy my next line and run it in the console.. removing it in 20 seconds.
have to reload chat afterwards
 
These are, but they're always cooked, not raw
The Chinese mitten crab, Eriocheir sinensis (also known as the big sluice crab () and Shanghai hairy crab, ) is a medium-sized burrowing crab that is native in the coastal estuaries of eastern Asia from Korea in the north to the Fujian province of China in the south. It has also been introduced to Europe and North America where it is considered an invasive species. Formerly in the family Grapsidae, it is now placed in the Varunidae. Description and ecology This species' distinguishing features are the dense patches of dark hair on its claws. The crab's body is the size of a human palm....
 
@Fosco how do you run it?
 
@BilltheLizard Javascript console.
 
@BilltheLizard In the javascript console of any browser with one.
 
5:31 PM
or prepend javascript: and put it in the location bar
 
Yeah, those vending machines are selling mitten crabs
 
hahaha, figured
 
Those things are expensive
 
Hm, now I'm hungry.
 
@TimStone Here, have a durian :P
 
5:37 PM
Hooray :P
 
oh no, not the durian.
That sounds like a recipe for a new meme.
 
@Troggy You just had to go and use the word "recipe," didn't you?
 
@PopularDemand I know. It just seemed so appropriate for the topic.
 
6:04 PM
Ok, thoughts please. In July I asked this question and several dupes of it were created and closed. In September, this question was asked attempting to bump a dupe that had been missed.
Now the middle question is closed as a dupe of mine, but the latest question lives on and that's where new info is getting posted.
Should something be done to try and clean this up?
 
Well, they are both declined.
 
Well, there's stuff happening with it. Kind of. Look at @waffles answer on the later question and the comments on it.
 
@PopularDemand AndyE in the Javascript room just submitted a patch for WMD
 
> This bug also happens to be a heisenbug, when debugging it if your first breakpoint is too early, stepping through shows that everything is good.
How is that even possible?
 
It just seems...not very clean.
 
6:21 PM
@rchern Merge?
 
Hehe well that's why I was asking for opinions. Not sure if it isn't worth it and just leave alone.
 
6:38 PM
I haven't hit the rep cap on Unix except for the first day; I was just looking through my reputation history, and apparently I made 198 a few days ago. Whoever downvoted me that day will pay
 
ummm errrrr oops?
 
@rchern You still don't even have an account
 
Yes well, there's that minor detail.
 
@MichaelMrozek Not for lack of trying. Good vigilance on deleting rchern's accounts as soon as she creates them, by the way.
 
I can't take credit, it's all scripted
It'll be a shame if my term ends without me suspending rchern at least once
Or annotating her account with "NOT TO BE TRUSTED"
 
6:44 PM
@PopularDemand, it's ok. I just switched my display name to stay hidden from the persecution of @MichaelMrozek
 
@rchern I actually considered that and looked for your openID. If you switched that then I'm foiled
 
oy
 
@MichaelMrozek Wait, you told me you were using sophisticated IP tracking and language pattern processing algori... oh, whoops.
 
@PopularDemand Yeah, the language pattern processing would be extremely sophisticated. if(post.contains("(:")) {print "RCHERN DETECTED";}
 
haha
 
6:46 PM
Well, now that the cat's out of the bag, hint @rchern: it looks for people who use normal-direction smilies and the word "yo" a lot.
 
Her people prefer the term "majority-direction"; "normal-direction" makes them sound a bit... well, mad
 
Right then. Now that I've created an rchern account on Unix, first order of business: downvote @MichaelMrozek
 
I just discovered this:
rchern, St. Louis, MO
101 1
36 days?
 
oO
nooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
Wow, 125? That's high
 
6:51 PM
Why did I think the voting down threshold was below the association bonus?
 
It was definitely lower before; it's 125 on the trilogy now too
:D :
rchern, St. Louis, MO
101
 
Oh, I see. That's how we're going to play this?
 
points at @PopularDemand and cowers
 
@MichaelMrozek Since when are you the cowering type? This is how I'm going to remember you in the future.
 
@rchern scares me
3
 
6:55 PM
@rchern Actually I only did it so I could go into the Unix chat and yell " I am Spartacus! " but I still show up as Popular Demand in the chat.
 
Oh, I wondered what that was about. You were still on your meta profile
 
@MichaelMrozek Same OpenID. Not sure how to show up with an alternate username.
 
Click "change" on your profile
 
@MichaelMrozek Oh, fancy. Nice reputation summary there.
 
7:05 PM
@spoulson Hahahah
 
@PopularDemand, I will admit, I was quite disappointed to see it was your account and not mine. It took away my excuse to mess with his profile on WA. q:
 
@rchern Michael Mrozek hijacked my OpenID and created a Unix SE account I didn't want! Please get revenge on him for me, friendly and noble mod who likes me and not even entirely because we share a common enemy!
 
hehe
 
7:23 PM
@rchern It was 100 before, because on Startups I had a 101 and placed 2 downvotes.. at 99 since then.
status-stealth-nerf
 
step away from the color @rchern
 
taking the label thing a bit far are we?
 
@rchern Ahahah
I like my colour :P
No [status-bydesign]? How will we mark real bugs as things we're pretending aren't issues?
 
I knew I was forgetting one haha
 
Heheh ;)
 
7:29 PM
You need [status-bydesign] and [status-"bydesign"]
 
are you able to assign labels to items?
or do anything with them?
someone that isn't me?
 
Uhh
 
@TimStone yes, you qualify as someone that isn't me. (;
 
How would I if I could?
Whew, thank you for solving that identity crisis for me. ;)
 
 
7:33 PM
@TimStone in the listings, check an item and then click the color swatch arrow to the left of the label. if you're on a specific item, just click the arrow swatch
 
been a while since I updated my stackflair
 
@rchern I'm thinking...no.
 
@Fosco, what do you mean since you updated it? You shouldn't have to update it, it'll update itself! (;
 
I have no where to put mine right now due to extreme laziness, so I have to go regenerate it every now and then so I can see where I stand ;)
Clearly I've been slacking, not even above 5.5K!
 
@rchern I guess I mean looked at, then...
 
7:36 PM
q:
 
I should camp on ServerFault too so I can get Enthusiast, heh.
 
HoLyViEr disappeared huh?
 
@Fosco Disappeared? :P
 
haven't seem him in a long time.. just occured to me when i saw the HoLy theme for stackflair
 
Ah
 
7:42 PM
@Tim no i think not ;)
 
Hm? :P
 
dirty campers ... dirty dirty ... i will knife you in tbe back just like the dirty snipers
 
Hey, I have two answers there, it's more than I have on Gaming :P
 
haha
 
Granted, both answers were on questions migrated from SO, but that's just a technicality. ;)
 
7:45 PM
@Zypher Either you're playing a computer game or the new colocation site for SO's servers is a terrifying place
 
played a bunch of BC2 last night
 
Actually, SF's dotted border around the answers boxes kind of assaults my eyes for some reason.
 
holding out on the new CoD till after next week (camping out in NYC for the week so i won't be able to play)
answers ... what answers whistles
 
"camping out" and "nyc" don't seem to go together.
 
7:47 PM
Also, Meta, SF, and SO all have differently aligned top bars, argh.
 
They do?
 
ok by camping i mean staying in a hotel for a week so i don't ahve to commute from philly
 
@MichaelMrozek The search box is in a slightly different place on each site
 
@Zypher, work or pleasure?
 
little bit o both
 
7:49 PM
SO's is farthest to the right, I think that Meta's is one pixel to the left, and then SF's is several pixels to the left of that.
 
@TimStone Oh yeah. How in the world would you even notice that, it's like two pixels
 
@balpha is gonna be here
so ya know gotta see if i can get the german drunk
 
@Zypher Is he bringing the rovio?
Rovio!
 
I'm very analytical. :P
 
Rovio's already in NYC though.
 
7:49 PM
haha, rovio is already here
and no still no rovio for you :D
 
Oh yeah. In my head it lives with @balpha and he cares for it like a pet
 
@Zypher have you started planning the pranks already?
 
nah i find they work better organically
 
Rovio has resorted to staring at doors all day long, it must be bored.
 
7:50 PM
):
 
@TimStone Staring at doors? Or staring through doors
 
It's also possible that it's sitting around meditating in preparation to unleash its death rays should @rchern's vendor not cooperate.
 
What is...never mind
 
Hahahahah
 
7:52 PM
rofl
 
8:11 PM
Apparently I missed something, LOL
 
@TheUnhandledException Yeah, rchern slipped and told us the rovio password! Finally, I was in the room at the right time for something!
Rovio!
 
Rovio!
 
goes to review the XMPP log where messages last forever regardless of deletes
 
Oh. Um... balpha hacked the XMPP log. Even your local backup copy.
 
8:13 PM
Damn you @balpha! Foiled me again!
 
It was sent using the 666 message, SecretPasswordsFromRchern
@TheUnhandledException You probably filtered it.
 
It's OK, I know her password anyway: oyoyoy123123
 
@PopularDemand I was going to go with Rovio rebelling against its humanoid overlords, but casting balpha as a 1337 h4x0r works too.
 
Argh, why is IE7 so slow?
 
@TheUnhandledException no way in hell
it must be oyoyoy321321
 
8:15 PM
@Popular you have to ask?
 
@Zypher General frustrated outburst, not a real question.
 
ok , i'll go back to my patches then
 
Most common password: 123456
Users FAIL
 
Although I would appreciate a really well-worded answer, now that you mention it.
 
8:17 PM
 
@Zypher CLASSIC XD
 
> (...But I probably missed some, and I’m not even going to talk about the crazy shit that Internet Explorer 8 does to switch between its four — four! — different rendering modes. Here’s a flowchart. Kill it. Kill it with fire.)
(@PopularDemand)
 
Why do you people insist on talking about me when I'm not paying attention.
 
demands that work
Clearly they didn't optimize that part in IE7 ;)
 
@PopularDemand Due to the intricacies of the code used in the layer-3 rendering engine, the objective bytecode compiler system often fails to run the internal garbage collector, resulting in multiple layers of complexity building upon one another until eventual heap fragmentation occurs. During this time a rebuild must occur, and all pointer will actually be invalid, requiring the doubly-linked list to be searched each time, increasing page rendering time by a factor of O(N^3) causing IE7 to be slow.
Upvote please!
;-)
 
8:21 PM
Whoa.
 
@rchern Is there any better time to talk about people behind their backs? ;-)
5 mins ago, by Popular Demand
Although I would appreciate a really well-worded answer, now that you mention it.
 
@TheUnhandledException Yeah, if she was here when it happened, we'd have to ask her to turn around...and that'd just be awkward.
 
Okay, time for a shot in the dark about a bizarre behavior. On IE7, a checkbox I've marked disabled isn't disabled. It's just not in the page source. Everything else looks right, and other browsers show it disabled. Does that sound familiar to anyone?
 
heh
 
@PopularDemand Never said it had to be a * technologically correct* answer :-)
 
8:22 PM
@PopularDemand Er...Wha?
 
How can I <del>retaliate</del><ins>respond</ins> when I'm not here though?
 
The checkbox is generated by the backend, or by client side code?
 
@rchern My point exactly! XD
 
@rchern We clearly haven't expanded the userscript to its absolute limit yet.
 
@TimStone Ugh. Wicket.
But the disabling is taking place purely in the HTML.
 
8:25 PM
@PopularDemand how are you marking it as disabled?
 
@PopularDemand, how about we lock my vendor from hell in a closet with Wicket and forget about them both?
 
@rchern That being said, since the jokes are almost always the same when they're directed at you, precompiling a list of automatic responses seems do-able. ;)
 
hahaha
 
@PopularDemand I don't get how the checkbox doesn't appear in the page source though if that's what was sent to the browser.
So I suspect I misunderstood something.
 
IE won't show content sent via ajax in the page source
just the initial content
Isn't that cool?
 
8:27 PM
Firefox doesn't either
 
Hmm I thought it did.
 
It's why the Web Developer toolbar has a Show Generated Source
 
and the Chromium inspector also can go out of date.
 
@PopularDemand In seriousness, I may be able to help you, how are you marking the checkboxes as disabled?
are you using disabled="disabled" ?
 
$("input").antirussianwebapphackers.really_do_disable()
 
8:34 PM
Thanks for all the help. Turns out the tester was just given an old build.
 
Ah, whew.
 
(Like I needed the additional scare today.)
 
At least that makes sense. :)
 
Yeah, it used to be a Wicket component, and then I realized that instead of being fancy and making the checkbox dynamic, I should just make it a dummy HTML component because any time it's not checked would be an error.
Why write complicated validation code when you can just prevent the user from making the mistake in the first place?
Although I have half a mind to still ask about that on SO because it might come up again in the future in a situation where the minimum level doesn't have to be checked in all valid cases.
The only thing that's holding me back is that the sample code is kinda long.
 
disabled="disabled" doesn't work on IE, I don't think
I think you have to use JavaScript to set the disabled property
 
8:38 PM
@TheUnhandledException It's working just fine on my local build.
 
No, IE 7.0.
 
ok, scratch what I said
Did you view source and does the HTML actually contain disabled="disabled"?
 
@TheUnhandledException Yes and yes.
 
@TheUnhandledException I think that it only doesn't work for <option> in IE.
 
8:40 PM
@PopularDemand Any differences in source generated by local build vs other builds?
@TimStone Yeah I think you're right
I haven't used it in a while
 
5 mins ago, by Popular Demand
Thanks for all the help. Turns out the tester was just given an old build.
;)
 
Oh. Sorry :-)
goes back to his work
 
in Regulator Headquarters, 3 mins ago, by Tim Stone
2
Q: Is using deprecated methods in java is bad programming?

GKI have a situation where I have to use a deprecated method. So I want to know is it bad programming to use deprecated methods? if yes, then why? and how to over come this kind of situations? need help thanks.

 
Ugh, we need an option "Closed as recommendation request."
 
Heh, related in more than one way:
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Q: Wicket or Playframework?

WassimI'm totally new to Java web development and I would like to choose a good Java web framework to learn. I've found some really good echoes regarding the Apache Wicket framework and the Playframework. I decided to go for one of 'em; but I need to choose ;-) So, what to choose and why? Thanks EDI...

 
8:45 PM
Seems like every fourth question in [wicket] and every fifth question in [java] is "Hey guys what's the best way/tool/software to do barchern?"
 
Hahah :P
 
oy
 
Hooray for more interest in Play though.
Also extra hooray for this person reporting something I was too lazy to.
-1 to me for that link not working with the userscript.
 
?
 
@rchern It should take you to the hidden comment.
But it doesn't...So my test scenario wasn't sufficient somehow. :P
 
8:56 PM
ah
it doesn't!
ugh, I want a vacation.
 
It's actually done a bit hackishly anyway, since I just set a timeout for after the new comments are loaded...There should be a better way to do that, hrm.
I want to not keep forgetting to finish stuff, heh.
Then maybe I could plan my vacation :P
 
Mine didn't load the additional comments.
I could do a road trip this weekend, but I want to go somewhere fun. Flying for just the weekend isn't all that fun.
 
I'm trying to go to Hong Kong for New Year's Eve, but I'm not sure what plans my friends have, and the longer I wait, the more expensive the tickets get, argh.
 

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