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12:01 AM
@rchern: They rolled out global flair too!
The inhumanity!
 
12:12 AM
status-indifferent
 
status-you-sure-care-dont-you
status-why-are-we-talking-in-tags
 
i know
 
Does your flair support transparency by any chance?
 
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Q: Which has higher performance java or javascript?

vlad003Since now javascript gets compiled to machine code by browsers. I was wondering which programming language gets better performance between java and javascript. I'm thinking of writing a 3d browser FPS or MMO and am trying to decide between the two. Also what are thoughts on compatibility? I...

 
> Since now javascript gets compiled to machine code by browsers.
Wait... what?
 
12:18 AM
Funniest comment I've seen in a while ==> "which has higher performance snowmobile or scuba tank?"
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Lol.
I'm voting for the snowmobile, personally.
 
good choice
 
I'm upvoting every comment for the question.
 
12:40 AM
la la la
errors you can't reproduce locally totally suck.
 
Well, they wouldn't really be any fun otherwise!
 
hrmph
 
1:26 AM
@PopularDemand No, not here
@GeorgeEdison NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
/me crys
But, whatever, @rchern I still like your black theme better :-)
 
I know.
It's so lame.
@The: You can customize the color on mine too.
 
lol
 
@GeorgeEdison Yes, I know... but rchern's has a special place in my heart because I'm 50% of the user base :-)
 
:D
 
Hey, anyone here want to see the ultimate Flash demo?
 
1:28 AM
Actually yours is more powerful @George
 
It's breathtaking.
 
@GeorgeEdison Yes please!
 
for now, maybe :P
 
I'm working late, need a pickmeup
 
1:29 AM
WHat is this and why does it want access to my camera?
:-)
 
It allows you to control the map with your head.
 
In order to do that, it needs to see your head.
 
Ok that's pretty neat
 
Did you try it?
 
1:30 AM
@AndyEshead! ARE YOU PAYING ATTENTION???
 
@GeorgeEdison Trying to determine how to undo my denying it access to my camera, lol
 
Just close the tab and reload it.
Worked for me.
 
Or right click
wow, that's cool
 
I know. It's pretty good for Flash.
 
1:32 AM
not 100% accurate but I was sitting to close I suppose
 
You want to get your head in the rectangle.
 
Or my goatee confused it XD
yeah my head was far too large LOL
I need to sit farther away for better results
 
@rchern: What did you think?
 
about?
 
The page I just showed you!
 
1:34 AM
i haven't looked q:
 
You should then.
It's pretty awesome.
 
@TheUnhandledException Right-click, Settings, icon of screen with eye on it, Allow.
 
@Hello71 Yeah, got it. Thanks!
 
@TheUnhandledException Inexplicably, after I closed FF, took some quick notes in Notepad and reopened FF, my bookmarks and settings are back!
 
@PopularDemand Notepad to the rescue!
 
1:47 AM
@TheUnhandledException Apparently!
Well, gift horses and all that. I have plenty of other problems to worry about.
 
LOL
I know that feling
 
In particular... anyone know how to get rid of blowflies?
(Actually I have solved 41.67% of this problem already through the liberal use of physical violence... but it's worth complaining about.)
Right then, time to slink away and do some more good old-fashioned work!
 
LOL
Sorry @PopularDemand getting help with a server issue and trying to catch up on work at the same time
blowflies?
Calliphoridae (commonly known as blow-flies, carrion flies, bluebottles, greenbottles, or cluster flies, some of which are occasionally accorded family status (e.g., Bengaliidae, Helicoboscidae, Polleniidae, Rhiniidae). The name blow-fly comes from an older English term for meat that had eggs laid on it, which was said to be fly blown. The first known association of the term "blow" with flies appears in the plays of William Shakespeare: Love's Labour's Lost, The Tempest, and Antony and Cleopatra. Description Characteristics Calliphoridae adults are commonly shiny with metallic col...
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2:29 AM
@TheUnhandledException Good to know we've done such a good job promoting the Unix beta :)
And sorry for disappearing for several hours, but I see you discovered that 20 > 3 all on your own
 
HAHA
I was not thinking straight, clearly :-)
 
excuses excuses
 
what I meant to test was to make sure 20 > 100 was false
that is, I was comparing integers and not strings
@MichaelMrozek As far as promoting the new SE sites, I feel very much in the dark about which ones exist
 
@rchern I swear I checked such a list the other day and it was much smaller!
But oh well :-)
 
2:32 AM
But you already know about Unix, so now there's little reason to ever check again
 
the last new one was created 5 days ago
 
@MichaelMrozek haha, true
I'm not sure I understand the need for unix.se, was SuperUser being mean to you guys?
or did you just want it more targeted?
 
SU is almost laughably general, which is why I never checked it; its scope is too wide
There was actually a good blog post recently about the ideal scope of SE sites
Blog links aren't one-boxed? For shame
 
@MichaelMrozek I know
@MichaelMrozek HAHA I actually bookmarked this to read later
I saw taco and Newton North High School and didn't read the rest yet :-)
 
Well, Taco is the important part
 
2:37 AM
He has a bucket!
I'll read this blog post, and the comment thread, before arguing the split of SU/SF/Ubuntu/Unix/Linux/Apple/etc again
 
To quote my favorite part:
> we don’t want another Unix/Ubuntu incident
 
which means you'll never hear me argue that split for a few years, judging from all the comments, haha
@MichaelMrozek I should not have taken 2 months off from SOFU
or at least, the 2 months I decided to take off, LOL
 
Indeed. Your poor consecutive days counter must be in tears
 
(July/August)
@MichaelMrozek No, what made me cry was i had a script written to get me consecutive days!
 
Oh, you're one of those people
 
2:40 AM
The new login system broke it, lol
 
@MichaelMrozek YES
/me is the guy who posted on meta asking for /me support, then subsequently wrote it
 
high-fives Kevin for sabotaging TheUnhandledException's cheating
 
LOL
Well all I had to do was log in again. Script is happy again :-)
It really wasn't that hard... bookmark a page on each site and place into a folder SOFU/1
bookmark any other page and put into SOFU/2
echo 'tell application "Safari" to close every window'|osascript
sleep 5
find /Josh\ Files/SOFU/1/ -name "*.webloc" -exec open {} \;
sleep 60
echo 'tell application "Safari" to close every window'|osascript
sleep 5
find /Josh\ Files/SOFU/2/ -name "*.webloc" -exec open {} \;
For like 4 or 5 months it was just one set of bookmarks, then they added the "consecutive days" counter and it was always 1
 
What madness is this osascript? Shell scripts in English?
 
2:45 AM
you need 2 pages apparently for it to be a consecutive day
LOL
AppleScript
Controls Mac OS X applications
I very, very, very rarely use is
actually had to use it for a client a month ago:
repeat with pdfFileRecord in the filesWithAnInvalidType of the listOfPdfsToSend
		set theFileInfo to info for (alias of the pdfFileRecord)
		if the extension of pdfFileRecord is not "pdf" then
			set userReply to display dialog "File \"" & filename of pdfFileRecord & "\" does not have a name ending in \".pdf\". This file cannot be processed. Would you like to automaticaly rename this file to \"" & the filename of pdfFileRecord & ".pdf\"?" buttons {"No, quit now", "No, skip file", "Yes"} default button 3
That's just a sample. It's so funny
     if the listOfPdfsForThisOrderId is false then
			set the listOfPdfsForThisOrderId to createListOfPdfsToSendByOrderId given orderId:(orderId of the pdfFileRecord)
			copy the listOfPdfsForThisOrderId to the end of the filesByOrderId of the listOfPdfsToSend
			set the listOfPdfsForThisOrderId to (a reference to the last item of the filesByOrderId of the listOfPdfsToSend)
		end if
@MichaelMrozek reminds me of HyperTalk, which I last used when I was 10, LOL
 
It's anti-APL
 
isn't it though?
 
For anyone who hasn't seen this (every time I watch it I want to try and learn APL, and then I don't):
 
The final expression for doing one generation is:
You should write the same in AppleScript and we'll compare :)
 
2:52 AM
HAHA
It would be 10,000 times that -- and would take me a few months
Well if I'm going to take you up on that challenge @Michael I'll need my rest...
Actually, I need my rest even if I decide not to.
So, I'm off to bed now!
Have a good rest of the night @Michael, @rchern and anyone else still awake! :-)
 
 
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4:02 AM
@MichaelMrozek that's pretty fascinating... seeing if I can get an 'educational' license of Dyalog. /wink
 
 
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7:59 AM
Wow, how long has that upload button been there? That's convenient
Oh, this should be fun:
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Q: Adding discipline to programmers.stackexchange.com

Jeff AtwoodLargely through inaction on our part, http://programmers.stackexchange.com has become a bit of a ... strange and undisciplined place. We aim to fix this! Our goal is to remove the bottom 15-20% of the "worst" programmers.se questions and disallow them as not constructive subjective questions. R...

I was always kind of operating under the assumption that they finally just caved and said "fine, if you guys can't stop yourselves from posting this stuff, we're going to at least collect it on one site the rest of us can pretend doesn't exist". Which I think most of programmers.SE embraced, although this post did surprisingly well
 
That site always struck me as bit of an odd one
History is doomed to repeat itself anyway
In particular, search for the LTAND2 part, "We Are Reintroducing Wizardly Fiat"
 
8:51 AM
What Programmers.se is missing is a friend function, and a wall, then it'd be just like facebook.
 
9:16 AM
@MichaelMrozek new today; but limited (at the moment) to 1k users
 
What kind of upload button, and where?
 
reload
 
I guess the one in the link image display
I was wrong, kinda
 
I don't have 1K rep on meta though
 
screenshot for the rescue
 
9:19 AM
 
Aha, nice
imgur-service here as well?
 
meh, @badp's was better
 
@AndyEshead you used imgur :)
 
@badp er... so you kinda missed the point of an image upload feature, eh?
 
I don't like the feature
 
9:20 AM
@AndyEshead see, that is how it is done
 
I have Dropbox exactly for uploading images :) it's also objectively more convenient
 
You should get a deal with TechSmith now and bundle SnagIt for StackExchange-users over 10K or something
 
@marc, Out of curiosity, why does upload gray out when other buttons fade away?
 
Perhaps you can't upload while uploading, so it is disabled as well?
 
just be be curious
@LasseVKarlsen actually, we disable it when you have text entered. Either text or image upload.
 
9:22 AM
okay. :D
 
(I would have done a screen grab, but I have the constant debug/health-monitoring in that area... it would only add more confusion - "what does nil 2148 mean?")
 
2148 null-references, and you're programming in Delphi?
 
damn, he's onto us. We wrote an Object Pascal VM in javascript, and we run the client through that
 
I KNEW IT!
 
it means 2148 still aren't using chat enhancing wifi enabling StackOverflow Internet Services pills
 
9:25 AM
You know, restoring TeamCity backups isn't all the fun it is hyped up to be
 
The pills send an heartbeat back to Marc
so 2148 people have NULL as their last heartbeat.
 
depends; did you take the red pill or the blue pill?
 
Probably visited Programmers.se first
I took both, figured it couldn't hurt
 
this one was grey and had an unicorn beveled on it
 
So now I'm in a permanent semi-state, somewhat virtual, somewhat alive
 
9:26 AM
 
Oooh, you got the unicorn pill
they say that's the best one
Did you get to meet Tony?
aka The One
 
no, no, that's only for 200k users.
 
Ah
So that's why there can be only one
 
@Marc is getting there though, only roughly 33k to go.
 
reminds me; I must try to catch up with Jon; don't think I've seen him since ¿January?
 
9:29 AM
> seen 12 mins ago
> 6m answered How to get the referred string of an Action<string> delegate?
 
no, the real world; and I was wrong - it was April
 
oh, right, that jimmicky thing where you have to dress up your avatar and stuff
blech
 
indeed; especially if you work from home, that starts to get harder ;p
 
@MarcGravell that looks like a carton of pizza
it's always time for pizza!
 
@MarcGravell That explains the quality of a lot of the questions on Stack Overflow
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A: get querystring with jQuery

Herduin Rivera AlzateHay un plugin en la galeria de jquery

Anyone know what language this is?
I flagged it for moderator attention but i'm curious about what it says
Ahh, obviously it's spanish (I meant spanish) "There is a jQuery gallery plugin"
 
9:40 AM
*Spanish
 
Translated.
Not like it's going to be much better for him
 
yeah, it's still completely irrelevant to the question.
Actually, with your translation it looks more relevant. Still useless though :-)
 
and now it magically vanished into unicorn sweat
 
10:00 AM
Deleted by @MarcGravell
 
10:24 AM
sheesh! blame me why don't you :(
btw, I lowered the rep for upload; @Lasse now has the button (yay!)
 
@MarcGravell: I didn't say which Marc Gravell :p oh wait, I did. So take some responsibility!
@MarcGravell what's the new rep requirement?
 
100
'cos then I took nothing away...
 
Cool. Is there a rep requirement for uploading images on the main sites?
 
in Image uploader, 3 hours ago, by waffles
not at the moment ... but we probably should
 
yeah I think that would be a good idea, sooner rather than later (ie, when loads of NSFW posts appear all at once)
 
10:29 AM
well, the problem there is... they can still do that using any other image upload host
 
true. Isn't there a rep requirement for posting images in the first place?
 
I probably should know the answer to that... but I don't
 
@AndyEshead yes, and a rep requirement for more than one link per answer.
 
@badp thought so
 
It's all lower than 101 but I don't know how much lower
I know I don't have it with 11 rep on mathoverflow.com :)
hmm, I could just add a picture and a 2nd link with 11 rep
but the question had been made CW in the meantime.
Dunno if it made any difference back then.
 
10:53 AM
null
wow, did I actually just paste that?
null
 
ruh roh.
 
that is "cancel" on upload in IE
better fix that, I guess
 
One thing I don't get about the new image dialogs is
If I have an URL for an image, why do I want it to be uploaded to imgur?
 
actually, I was thinking about that
 
I've been using ^L to insert images for a while now.
 
10:57 AM
esp re:
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Q: Uploading images via web

Tom GullenI uploaded an image from the web today, from http://imgur.com/. However SO takes the image and reuploads it to http://imgur.com/, if the image from web is from http://imgur.com/ then it doesn't need to bother wasting space and bandwith hosting duplicates of the image.

because while that might make sense for the Q&A, I'm thinking maybe chat is time-specific enough that we use the direct link
if the link dies.... meh.
Thoughts?
 
I think it's delusional to think imgur will be around forever anyway :)
 
That is one to take up with waffles and Jeff ;p
but seriously; thoughts - lose the "from the web" in chat?
 
I don't see the loss.
actually I don't see the gain either.
 
(null bug now fixed, btw)
 
If you have a picture URL and you just want to post it you can merely paste it in
whereas on SO it was useful because it did all the markdown for you.
so I guess there's no harm in keeping it...
LOL
563958 views | 78.93 GB bandwidth before I linked it to you :)
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Q: Global notification finally there?

Tobias KienzlerIs this a global or local notification? edit since the inbox is the same at other SE sites, it seems finally global :)

Victory dance!
 
11:12 AM
@badp Verrrry nice :)
 
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Q: Weekly rankings repeated on SE weekly user leagues.

C. RossThe weekly rankings are being repeated on SE weekly user leagues, mainly on smaller sites. For example Bryant is 1-8 on Role-playing Games, and Martín Marconcini is 1-8 on Apple. The same thing seems to be happening monthly, and only on the smaller sites. Thanks to ExTSR for reporting this one.

 
 
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12:30 PM
Morning
 
afternoon :-)
 
Merry 24th
 
I live on a very special Timezone where it's chrismas every day :p
 
it's payday! w00
 
12:38 PM
@HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL is that on Christmas Island? :)
 
@HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL Is that some kind of crazy stimulus package?
 
it's my secret :p
 
Can you imagine our economy if everyone could afford to give gifts every day?
 
You'd have to work harder just to avoid being a social castout
 
12:43 PM
gahhhhh this work proxy sucks, I can't answer any SQL questions due to some kind of injection filter that bombs on any post data with lots of quotes.
 
@Fosco: didn't recognize you with your new avatar
I think I've more or less got my jQuery input event plugin done.
 
you mean you have....code that... works???
5
wants
 
@AndyEshead Awesome.. I am looking forward to it, plan on using it in a current side project :)
 
@rchern: "works" is such a strong word. I prefer to say "behaves as expected(-ish)"
 
I'd go for that too.
 
12:56 PM
@Fosco: It uses the native event implementation where available, falls back to propertychange for IE and for others it attaches to keypress, focus, paste, cut and drop. If you want to check it out, I've been using a fiddle to work with - jsfiddle.net/ecy56
 
oo, comments :)
 
Good morning everyone
 
Hey there
 
morning, at least.
 
It's Friday! It's also National Punctuation Day!!!!
National Punctuation Day is a celebration of punctuation that occurs in September. Founded by Jeff Rubin in 2004, National Punctuation Day simply promotes the correct usage of punctuation. Rubin encourages appreciators of correct punctuation and spelling to send in pictures of errors spotted in every day life. Attention generated National Punctuation Day has been recognized nationally in the media and by celebrations by people of all ages. A few of these notable events are listed below: *FontFeed credits National Punctuation Day with the revival of the interrobang. *StudioSTL of St. ...
@Fosco has a new Gravatar!
 
1:00 PM
oy
 
Lookin' good Mr. Fosco
 
It's a bad picture of me, or at least it looks bad when scaled down that small...
 
@rchern I believe you mean, "oy!".
@Fosco 15px by 15px isn't very forgiving :-)
@rchern Where's @mmyers when we need him, right? :-)
 
(:
 
@Fosco new Gravatar plus a new website, it's a big day! ;-)
> Fosco That is my first name.
 
1:03 PM
new website?
ah yes
 
Really? I just assumed it was a screen name
That's a cool first name
 
new website?
 
hehe (:
 
Hmm not sure what license to use
 
1:04 PM
Like so many others in here, I decided to start a blog... haven't posted anything yet, though.
 
ok, i need some brainstoming help. on a windows 2k3 server, i can convert a stream of bytes (that are pngs, jpgs, gifs) into an Image object. Trying to convert a stream of a .ico into an Image object fails though. I know the stream is good - if I just write the stream of the .ico to the Response and set the content type, the .ico displays fine.
 
Wow, there are actually people here!
 
Everything works locally and on another server.
 
Thats the problem with chat (or maybe its just because I'm in the Aus timezone)
 
I'm out of ideas right now >_>
hi @Casebash
 
1:07 PM
@rchern What provies this Image object? Did it understand .ico format on the other host you're on, but not this new host?
@Casebash Hey there
 
@rchern can you use an Icon object instead? :)
 
hi everyone
 
@rchern that is to say, is Image a buiultin construct of the language, or 3rdparty software?
 
doesn't matter whether i read in from a file or download via url
Icon, Bitmap, Image...i've tried it all
 
1:08 PM
icon files have a lot more data than just a single image
 
Image.FromStream(ms), new Icon(ms), new Bitmap(ms) etc. I've tried the ImageConverter class too
 
@rchern Rats, I was about to say @Fosco was onto something
 
all ways work locally
 
@Fos: do you mean they have multiple images?
 
@rchern Different software version locally?
 
1:09 PM
nothing works for a .ico on this server
 
what's the error for new Icon(ms) ?
 
@rchern I could probably write and host a PHP wrapper which allows you to feed it a .ico and it returns a PNG
 
@Casebash yes an Ico file can have many different sized versions
 
error is always the same. "Parameter not valid" (the stream of bytes is the parameter)
.net versions are the same
 
@rchern you're using MemoryStream and not Stream?
 
1:11 PM
underlying yes, though I did try declaring my variable as MS, S, and var
lol
 
hmm nm, thought there was a difference but you should be able to pass a MemoryStream object to something that wants a Stream.
@rchern are you suuuuure it's a proper image file? :)
 
If I clear the response, set the content type, binary write the byte array, and end the response, the favicon shows just fine
 
well browsers are pretty accomodating
 
if i loop through and read the stream byte by byte outputting each byte on a new line and save that as a file, diff says no differences between my local instance and the server
 
have you tried with a different icon file?
 
1:16 PM
yup
i tried a few different favicons. se, google, etc
 
how about....
Image myImage = new Image();
myImage.FromStream(ms);
or
 
Image is abstract, but Image myImage = Image.FromStream(ms) is what I'd been using originally
 
Image myImage = Icon.FromStream(ms).ToBitmap();
 
tried that too
|:
 
interesting.
 
1:19 PM
@rchern No chance of accessing ImageMagick on this server huh?
 
i give up.
 
gotta head in to work, bbl sigh
 
seeya around @rchern
Going AFK for a bit, you all misbehave in my absence you hear?
 
1:35 PM
cya in a bit @TheUnhandled
 
1:51 PM
ooooh we get to misbehave?
 
im misbehaving with my money right now... buying ReSharper 5.1
 
nice
 

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