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4:00 AM
@jadarnel27 We have that exact question, or something incredibly close, and I think all questions of that format usually get closed because they are phrased poorly. Give me a sec.
 
Haha, nice. I'm not sure I could phrase mine very well either =)
 
Boom!, not even closed.
 
@Joe Make it document.write(everythingIwantwithUnicorns) and you've got yourself a deal. :P
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Joe
@hichris123 lol, true
 
I'm guessing that is similar to your situation, right? Basically, "I'm not doing what I thought I was hired to do, and I want to let my boss know so that she can give me non-boring work. How do I do this diplomatically?"
 
4:02 AM
I just really enjoy coding. Solving problems. I don't enjoy reading vendor docs for our users, entering to tickets for the vendor to solve problems for me, coordinating software updates, etc.
@jmac Reading it now.
 
^ Here goes nothing.
 
Anyone an SQL whizz here? I know I always ask, and I know the answer is always no, but I want to check anyhow.
 
@jadarnel27 So you've turned into kinda HR with the inbetween for the software & other stuff?
@jmac Kinda...
Depends what the question is. :P
 
@jmac I'm pretty good with SQL as well. I'd be glad to help if I can.
 
I want to create a query the matches the first post of a user being in a certain set of questions. Basically, you can find the first post by a user using Min(Id) on their posts, but how do I figure out if that's also in the subset of questions?
 
4:04 AM
@jmac This is excellent stuff.
 
Here is a query I'd use as a base, and this is to respond to this comment from ben is backwards:
You call-out community moderation burnout here... which is the only reason I can think of for not advertising your site in this manner. What would be interesting to know is how many users, on average, stuck around and continued to be a contributing member of the community after arriving in this fashion. It could be that the number of new users you gain is more than worth the extra bit of moderation for a few days. — ben is uǝq backwards 15 hours ago
 
Hmm, interesting question. So what would be the subset of questions?
 
@jadarnel27 Actually, the answers on that question seem pretty bad to me personally. But generally speaking you want to talk to your boss and let them know the situation, but not be too firm unless you have another job lined up. Often when you get stuck doing some chore you get a label attached to you meaning you will end up doing it for an extended time even if your description changes.
@hichris123 any question Id or answer with a parentId of 3492, 7617, 18119 on The Workplace
 
Joe
@jmac @jadarnel27 So much of that depends on the relationship between you and your boss. Is your boss someone you talk to all the time, and have a friendly relationship or even a mentor relationship with? Or is it someone who just approves your time and periodically makes sure you aren't goofing off?
 
If they had a good relationship, the boss would know that jadarnel is not brown with the situation, and would be working actively to fix it rather than him having to ask us.
 
4:08 AM
@jmac So like the first post of the user is on that question/is that question? Ooh, I think I know how to do that.
 
@hichris123 Yeah, I am horrible at combining tables, it is truly my super-weakness. That and dates.
 
Joe
@jmac Not necessarily. I know lots of people who are really not good at confrontations, even with people they are friendly with, so they don't talk about things like that
 
Be right back.
 
@Joe I disagree. Good bosses know when you're unhappy. They just may not know how unhappy. But then again, there are very few good bosses out there.
 
Joe
Good boss != friendly person. :)
I am lucky right now to have both, of course, but it's not always true.
But who knows.
 
4:11 AM
I work in Japan. HR is probably equivalent to the US in the 1960's or 1970's. It is awesome.
 
Joe
Either way, if it was at least a somewhat friendly relationship, I'd be up front about it.
What was HR like in the 60s/70s?
i'm not old enough to understand the comparison (and don't have AMC, if it's a Mad Men comparison)
 
@jadarnel27 eh? It's... honest fun IMO. But I forgive you anyway ;)
 
It involves managing people as a piece of equipment rather than as an investment. Seniority over merit. Strict hierarchies. Strict rules. etc.
 
@jmac Yeah, I just sort of noticed that the gist of the answer was "talk to your boss about it." Which seems like a good idea, in general. We don't really...ever talk. So it's not something that comes up as an option in my mind.
 
Joe
Anyway, my suggestion for @jadarnel27 is to tell your boss exactly your situation, but be positive and solution-seeking; ie, instead of "I'm mad you have me doing support and want to leave", be more like "It seems like I'm not doing much coding anymore, and I'm a pretty good developer; can we discuss how we get me into something I'm a better fit for?"
 
4:15 AM
@jmac Haha, "not brown with the situation" - well said!
@Undo =)
 
Joe
@jmac Sounds fun... My company has some of that, unfortunately; not in IT, but in other areas. Sigh.
 
If you talk to your boss, just be careful about phrasing as Joe said. I would say something like, "Hey boss, I was wondering what you planned to have me do in the next year. As you know, I have a lot of experience with .NET, but am currently working on doing coordination with vendors. While I understand that vendors are important to our company, I'd personally like to improve my skills in .NET if there is an opportunity."
and then let them talk. And listen. And if it's a bad answer, you start looking for other work (arguing with bosses is a rookie mistake that never ends well).
@hichris123 I am stalled on this query. This is what I have, but I am getting silly numbers of errors:
SELECT OwnerUserId as [User Link], Min(Id) As [FirstPost], Min(ParentId) as [Question]
FROM Posts
WHERE FirstPost in (3492,7617,18119) or Question in (3492,7617,18119)
GROUP BY OwnerUserId
 
I'm finally finished! jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/103
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> Invalid column name 'FirstPost'. Invalid column name 'FirstPost'. Invalid column name 'FirstPost'. Invalid column name 'Question'. Invalid column name 'Question'. Invalid column name 'Question'.
 
This takes everyone's user pic and name from this room and auto adds it
To the wheel of blame!
 
4:19 AM
jadarnel + undo = brown? That sort of adding?
Why would you want to blame us?
Correction: Why would you want to blame Undo?
 
I return.
 
@ManofSnow Wheel of blame says Man of Snow is to blame for this.
 
Joe
@jmac I don't completely follow what you're trying to do with that query
 
Come on, I just made in ~10 minutes (had to do my research for cross-domain policy) :P Something noone else thought of making
 
@Joe I want a quick userlink for every user whose first post was one of those questions, or one of those answers. In response to this comment from ben is backwards
@ManofSnow It is clever and awesome actually. It's a great idea and way cooler than anything I could build!
 
4:23 AM
SELECT OwnerUserId as [User Link], Min(Id) As [FirstPost], Min(ParentId) as [Question]
FROM Posts
HAVING MIN(Id) in (3492,7617,18119) or Min(ParentId) in (3492,7617,18119)
GROUP BY OwnerUserId
Try that @jmac.
 
@jmac Thanks :)
 
Sorry, I'm on tablet.
 
@hichris123 Incorrect syntax near the keyword 'GROUP'.
 
I need to @YiJang, apparently
@YiJang Take a look at this! jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/103
 
@ManofSnow I haven't gotten blamed for anything yet.
 
4:24 AM
:P
Oh hi, hichris
 
Joe
group goes before having
 
I think I'll make the randomness more random
 
Joe
select from ... group by ... having ...
 
With the random.org api
 
@Joe is right, just flip them.
 
4:26 AM
You guys are awesome -- thank you!
 
@jmac Welcome, the HAVING clause in SQL is weird. :P
So what is this tracking?
 
Basically, hot questions are a big problem for small communities. Shog and others are under the impression that the temporary burdens on the community are made up for by the long-term benefits of more eyes on the site. I don't agree.
So what I'm trying to do is look at the users who joined via those hot questions, and see how productive they became as users.
 
@Joe Thanks! I really appreciate the advice. Especially the "solution-seeking" bit.
@jmac Heh, right. I certainly don't want to start arguing with him. That makes sense.
 
@jmac Ah, very interesting.
 
Don't get me wrong, it really is a great place to work. I just don't like what I've been doing there lately.
 
4:32 AM
@ManofSnow Awesome! i.imgur.com/VJ4FsBV.png
 
@jadarnel27 Yeah, what was the phrase, "all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
 
@jmac Good point! I should not rationalize so much.
 
haha
 
You're having a lot of fun with that, aren't you?
I need to blame you. :P
 
However, there are a lot of good things about the job, and I feel like I can't just throw those out (great pay, flexible schedule, low-stress, etc), @jmac.
 
@jadarnel27 Rationalizing is fine. Sometimes comfort is more important than advancement. But if you're unhappy due to the content of the work, no amount of free beer on Fridays will cure your angst about the job. That's why I suggest talking to your boss, hearing them out, and if it isn't what you hoped for, start looking. When you do find a job you can be a bit more assertive about what you want because you have the leverage of something else lined up.
 
@hichris123 Yep. It's like Wheel of Blam++
 
@jmac Very well written out meta post about the hot question.
 
I guess I finally get a chemistry account..
 
@JanDvorak we need those little election stickers: I've flagged!
 
4:36 AM
@hichris123 Yeah, but the follow-up stuff is rough. I had to do all the previous analysis in Excel because I just am not good enough at SQL. I do so much of this data stuff by hand, and it really frustrates me.
 
@jmac "But if you're unhappy due to the content of the work, no amount of free beer on Fridays will cure your angst about the job" - epic.
 
@Undo Heh, true.
 
That's exactly how I feel. No matter how much I think through all the positives, I still dread going there in the mornings.
 
@jmac If you ever need any help, ask me. I'm not quite sure how to do graphs in SQL, but I can learn.
 
Joe
@jadarnel27 If you are otherwise happy then that gives you a great basis for starting the conversation.
 
4:38 AM
Morning
 
Morning
(Evening here, but whatever)
 
@Joe Right. I definitely wouldn't be going into the conversation with all negative things to say.
 
Joe
"I love working here, it's an amazing place, but I need to work in development to further my career. Can you help me figure out how to have the best of both worlds?"
with some specifics of why it's an amazing place
 
@Undo Almost morning here (12 AM).
 
@hichris123 There are handy graphs in the data explorer, so no need to do much with that. I just find Excel far far easier because I am very quick at it.
 
4:39 AM
1 more spam flag needed on that Chen question.
 
@Manof What's that call to whateverorigin.org? CORS magic?
 
@jadarnel27 Yeah, the company I left before Japan was the same way. Free beer on Fridays. Good pay. Low stress. But I hated the work. So I came to Japan.
 
@Joe "to further my career" - that's the other downside to this place. Old technology, for the most part. I end up doing a lot of reading on new tech, and coding on my home computer, just so I can stay up-to-date.
 
@jmac Still, I'm home all tomorrow (yay for school closing!) so I can help whenever you need any.
 
4:42 AM
Gone.
 
@jmac I like it. Sounds like a good choice for you, in the end.
 
@hichris123 Really do appreciate the help -- it's stellar. I am picking up more and more as I go along, and am very happy to have someone hold my hand along the way. I need to look both ways before applying a WHERE clause.
 
@jmac No problem.
 
@jadarnel27 Debatable. We'll see what it does to my future career. Everyone in the US is given a title, but in Japan everything is strictly age-based. Regardless of what I actually do (manage people), my title will read as, "Overseas Peon" or whatever.
Ideally whatever company I end up working for will understand that titles are given out to everyone because they are free (but raises aren't), and will actually regard skills higher than title, but there are plenty of companies that won't too I'm sure.
 
@jmac Haha, wow. That's interesting! It's hard to imagine such an environment, from this side of the ocean. Where everything is age-based (although one could argue, in large corporations at least, that titles are age-related or age-skewed).
 
4:49 AM
Age-skewed is fine (experience does, contrary to what many young people believe, have plenty of benefits), it's the concept that you are in a strict hierarchy where you will be promoted after someone one year older than you, regardless of individual merit.
(or competence, or responsibility)
 
@Undo To hack through the cross-origin policy :)
 
@jmac Yeah, that just sounds...frustrating.
And counter-productive.
 
@YiJang jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/104 This doesn't just get everyone in the chat, it also gets a random fraction from random.org , which provides for real randomness
 
I'd explain the entire reasoning to you, but it basically has to do with lifetime employment and the fact that a bulk of the members of many Japanese companies have never worked anywhere else and therefore believe that the way it's been done is the reason for the success lacking anything else to compare it to.
 
jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/104 ← The gods provided this to us themselves
 
4:52 AM
The attitude tends to be, "We are a successful company because we have done things this way. Before you point out that keeping track of data in excel spreadsheets that are not machine-readable and are updated manually by coloring cells is a horrible idea, you need to try it first."
 
@ɥʇǝS Lol :D
 
@jmac Hahaha, yikes! That is rough. It also distinctly reminds me of a conversation I had with the web operations team the other day.
"Our load balancers have always been configured like this. Why would we change it now?"
 
Should unclear questions that were incorrectly closed as duplicates reopened?
 
The thing is that this is Excel -- an application that has been around for over a decade -- and here are these people, in 2014, who use it as a pretty grid to color and type in easily because it is a natural table. And these people actually manage data, by hand, with excel sheets that include tons of manual inputs, and don't even have the first idea that this could be wrong.
I mean, load balancers, those sound complicated. Excel? Not complicated. One time I used an =IF(condition,true,false) statement in a sheet, and I had, no joke, 3 people come up and ask how I did such a magical thing.
 
@jmac LOL! That is nuts. Utterly nuts.
I guess load balancers are complicated. I don't know much about them. But ours are configured in an odd way, I think. I wish there was someone in here who does know a lot about them.
 
5:03 AM
My coworker was about to spend about $3,000 to animate the earth spinning in a powerpoint presentation. I did it in 15 minutes (NASA images are free to use and they have a spinning earth movie you can embed)
 
Me and two of my coworkers, visiting the same app at the same time, can all get routed to the same web server (in the group of four). Which makes sense, sometimes. However. Tomorrow, if we go back, we'll still get routed to that same web server (no matter how busy or not busy the servers are). It's like the web server assignments are really sticky, for some reason. I just don't know if that's normal.
 
that's a good thing, otherwise you lose sessions
 
Joe
@jmac I read an article the other day about how some people at MS were amazed at how they had written Excel (back in the 90s) and people just used it as a layout tool, basically (like making schedules and such)
 
@JanDvorak For days, weeks? That session explanation only makes sense to me on a much shorter scale.
 
Joe
but that this was why Excel beat out the otherwise superior Lotus product - Lotus was better at functions/math/accounting but worse at page layout
 
5:09 AM
Bye guys, new CSS: jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/105
 
@jadarnel27 the session explanation makes sense for as long as the session persists.
 
Nobody in Japan uses word. Everyone uses Excel for layout work because it's in a grid.
Which is absurdly frustrating because Excel has so many bugs related to printing, especially of shapes.
 
Joe
@ManofSnow What's the seed? I got the same person 3 times out of 3...
and then when I loaded /105 I got a different person, but then the same person from there after
so it seems to not re-initialize the random number stream
 
@JanDvorak Are you familiar with load balancers? I wasn't sure how they dealt with sessions, to be honest.
 
@jadarnel27 I'm not, but this seems like the correct solution
 
5:16 AM
So I'll have to defer. I admit, it makes sense to have the assignments be as sticky as the session length requires.
 
Google App Engine offloads sessions to the database
 
I know that our app does not have sessions that long. But these are shared web servers, so maybe they have it set to some kind of maximum, to accommodate everyone.
 
another solution would be if the loadbalancer moved session data between servers, but this might end up messy.
especially for servers where session data isn't the only state
 
Joe
Apparently it varies
source ip, cookies, and 'attribute hashing'
 
Look at @Joe, actually doing research rather than speculating.
 
Joe
5:19 AM
are common according to that
lol
 
Joe
I have work I need to finish
 
What a jerk.
=P
 
Joe
so
i'm just procrastinating :P
if you like one of your servers better than another
you can always edit your hosts file
to bypass the load balancer :)
I had to that for one project where our F5 load balancer was screwing things up
I was loading data to a sharepoint for like two days straight
and the load balancer wasn't sticky enough
by the way, protip: don't load so much data to sharepoint that it takes days to load
it doesn't like it very much
 
@Joe Yikes. There's got to be a better way to do that haha.
 
Joe
5:23 AM
Nope
writing out a few hundred thousand web pages
each of which has a couple of graphs and some tables
(and constructing said graphs and tables)
 
Oh. Right. Well carry on then.
When you said "loading data to SharePoint," I was thinking of something else.
We pretty much just use SharePoint as a documentation repository. If I ever need to pull down a bunch of files, or upload a bunch, I just use Windows Explorer to drag and drop.
 
Joe
Actually, that's what we were using...
a (somewhat modified) document repository
but the backend there is SQL
ie, I was writing to a mapped drive that was mapped to the repository
but each time I write a file, Sharepoint is doing some SQL wizardry to get it in there
which takes... some time
sigh
 
That is an awesome term. "SQL wizardry"
 
This answer to one of my questions is serious SQL wizardry.
 
I can't look at it directly lest it blind me with its magic. The siren's call of a well-written query. I hear it still.
 
5:40 AM
I've also done some fun things with SQL myself. Like when I learned that almost 40 percent of my rep is from accepts.
 
Joe
I don't know that I understand how that is 'random'
looks like 'arbitrary' (as in it picks 5 without really caring about which 5)
 
Did I say random somewhere? I did not mean to.
 
@jadarnel27 Mine is 41% right now. Peas of a pod you and I Jadarnel Brown.
 
Joe
but maybe I don't understand it
well, in your comment to the answer you use the word
but perhaps you meant random=unexpected?
I'm not an expert in CTEs so I wasn't sure
 
@Joe Oh. order by newid() makes it kind of random. That's all I was saying.
In the sense that you'll probably get new results each time.
@jmac Haha, I suppose we are. You can be honorarily brown, if you'd like.
 
5:45 AM
@jadarnel27 Knights of the Brown Table?
 
Jon Skeet and I have almost the same percentage (his is also 39.1%).
@jmac Well yeah. Why wouldn't we be?
I would have expected Skeets' to be higher, considering most of his non-capped rep is from accepts.
 
I think for April Fool's day, the devs should put +500 bounties on all of the #2 rep guy's answers expiring that day so that Jon Skeet is momentarily dethroned.
 
Heck, make Jon Skeet the bounty-starter on all those, and it would be more than just momentary =P
3
 
Yes! This would be a tremendous idea!
 
Haha, the next guy has 20k answers. Jon does not have the 10 million rep to pay all those bounties.
 
5:51 AM
643k to 493k, so we need 75k rep swap, on 150 questions with 500 rep if I can count zeroes properly.
86 answers with over 50 rep. So if we just give 500 bounties from Skeet to Darin on those 86, it would swap 'em.
No, no it wouldn't. Can't do math.
 
I'm not good at arithmetic, so I'm not even going to try.
 
Shirky's "A Group Is It's Own Worst Enemy" is a great read if you haven't read it before.
 
6:20 AM
3 hours ago, by jadarnel27
I have to finish one more page of this website, and then I can go to my bed, where my wife is waiting for me patiently (so patiently that she is most definitely asleep).
My wife just came out asking why I wasn't there yet. I'm definitely blaming @jmac for distracting me.
 
forget your website. Go forth and multiply.
 
Jan makes a good point.
 
Anyone think this is fairly priced? ebay.com/itm/171229420871
I just pulled a number out of my rear because I couldn't remember how much I paid for them.
 
I think it will get higher
 
It's not an auction. It's a Buy It Now price. I hate auctions.
 
6:47 AM
@jadarnel27 The Wheel of Blame says it's Pops' fault. Not mine.
 
 
1 hour later…
8:09 AM
@animuson Personally, I think that's a little expensive. Although I'm possibly making mistakes in my conversions to GBP. But in my eyes, things depreciate a lot once they're not new.
Amazon is selling it brand new for $70 on blue-ray.
Although that's a UK edition, I suppose.
 
That version comes in crappy packaging (no original cases) and higher compression rates for the video and audio. That's the fools' blu-ray bundle.
 
Ok, bad example :-)
Anyway, time will tell. Hopefully you've priced it right then.
 
Heh I'll wait a couple weeks and knock off $10 if it doesn't sell. :P
 
Note to self: Comment IDs can coincide with answer IDs. Don't blame the SEDE data. Blame your ability to read the documentation.
 
9:14 AM
after-mid-morning
 
9:26 AM
OK... new wave of spam
 
flagged
 
@Bart It will be soon :-)
 
:)
 
9:30 AM
#2 and #3 flagged
 
Oh, husband wife disputes are back
 
Do they ever stop?
 
I know you know, this is for tracking purposes :-)
 
On math a user edited that spam question...gaining +2 rep...
 
temporarily
 
9:41 AM
all rise..
be seated.
 
Freaking hell. -9. Some sites really need to be told how to handle spam
 
-12 could be six flags and six downvotes. -9 is acceptable. -12 is bad.
aaand gone
 
can we track down these spammers and shove their spam fair ad square up their hard drive?
 
Maybe we could ask @TimPost for their IP address, then start looking for vulnerabilities.
@Bart what's your intention with that fork? Just curious
 
Again? That astrodementy spam again?
 
9:48 AM
That was me dropping my notepad on the keyboard @JanDvorak.
 
suuuure
 
@SPArchaeologist yep. He seems to be testing new sites as well
 
I have no intention to do anything with it, other than use it
 
@Bart where is my 1st class plane ticket to Disney Land?
 
.... what?
 
9:51 AM
@JanDvorak - now he is starting to give me the nerve.
 
lol
just seeing if you're awake
 
atlas, the number seems to be always the same.
 
@SPArchaeologist magento got flooded because he didn't get removed quick enough
 
Anyway, telco time. Cya.
 
My milk is frozen...
I don't approve of this
 
9:53 AM
@JanDvorak - is there any way to do a global search on all sites? suppose that if that feature exists, it is mod only.
 
@SPArchaeologist google
 
First 10k account reached :D
 
@SPArchaeologist site:*.stackexchange.com
 
@JanDvorak - oooooook, I was looking for something outside google... but you are right, it should be enough
google.it/…:*.‌​stackexchange.com+9694850756
yep, seems most have been removed
 
Is it just me, or are there 10 recommend deletions on this answer?
 
9:59 AM
now there's eleven
gosh that question needs vaporisation
might be worth a meta question
 
flagged both
 
@JanDvorak . I am angry now. He is deliberately avoiding SharePoint. I need useful flag too ;_;
 
flagged as well
 
maybe he knows that any sharepoint dev must already have a degree in black magic & vodoo?
 
10:45 AM
Do we notice that the username on that profile is the same everytime?
 
got it!
 
@SPArchaeologist wait until the olympics start, then you'll have plenty of sports spam to clean up there
come to think of it, I haven't seen Jaya for a long time.
 
I have just created a new account on biology...
 
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A: Cannot retrieve data from controller

Milind Anantwarwhat is wrong in using $("#name").val() $.ajax({ url:"http://localhost:3000/shirts/show", type:"GET", dataType:"json", data:$("#name").val() });

this just reminds again how harmful to beg for downvote reasons.... Useless comment discussion for no real gain... just noise.
/me hates indians who cannot type a single sentence without the crazy 'u', 'r', 'y' and etc stupid abbreviations.
 
10:58 AM
Is that #10 @JanDvorak?
 

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