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12:47 AM
@shog9 Regarding your comment - is it supposed to preclude asking questions like the ones I mentioned?
As it is, I find it a bit of a confusing close reason anyway. :( Just because of this:
> Questions asking for code must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem
 
@JonathanHobbs "do my job" / "do my homework" questions? Yes.
 
"Of course I understand my problem: I need to do XYZ in this language I know almost nothing about. I just don't understand anything about how to solve it, that's why I'm here!"
@Shog9 ok, phew.
But the "minimal understanding of the problem" bit is... weird.
 
the types of questions I observed being closed (with the old reasons) tended to look more like this:
I've been given this spec:
<spec goes here>
Please implement it for me.
Except often less polite, and missing the spec.
IOW, someone posting their homework in verbatim
homework slash a job they'd been given
I'm actually less concerned about the example given in SoftwareMonkey's post, simply because he didn't ask for code.
But yeah; I think it's tripping folks up because they assume "minimal understanding" means something other than what it says. I did a little straw-poll in a mod chatroom the other day, and the common interpretation was, "asker is being lazy"
 
@Shog9 ... dang, now I wish I could revisit it. It's been deleted though.
@Shog9 "Minimal understanding" is really unclear though.
Anyone who can ask a question could say they have a minimal understanding. They understood enough to ask the question. Even if they know absolutely nothing else, that is still minimal.
 
@JonathanHobbs ack; I hate it when people do that.
really makes meta discussions irritating when the subject isn't visible to all discussing it.
Undeleted and locked.
 
12:55 AM
@Shog9 Thanks. You're right, they didn't ask for code. This is the sort of thing I'd expect to see on a forum, actually.
 
@JonathanHobbs doesn't say they must have a minimal understanding, says they have to demonstrate it.
 
@Shog9 well, yeah, but you demonstrate it by asking it. Minimal means "barely adequate", etc. I'd say a newbie who has no idea about how to do AJAX, asking: "how on earth can I make this ajax request", could count as having a "barely adequate" understanding of their problem by virtue of understanding what an AJAX request is. It could still be closed as just being a simple request for code with nothing added though.
 
@JonathanHobbs I'm not happy with the wording; I want to say something like,
> Questions asking for code must show that the asker has put enough thought into the problem to understand and make use of an expert answer.
 
@Shog9 that is a step forward o:
 
is it?
 
12:58 AM
What's the intent of that close reason? Just stopping "code pls" questions?
 
gotta admit, I'm a bit snow-blind by now
@JonathanHobbs yes
literally, folks who don't know what to do with the code they're given, and tend to make a nuisance of themselves as a result.
 
Could just be blunt:
> Questions should not just request code and leave it at that. We expect askers to demonstrate that they've invested time solving the problem themselves by showing what has been attempted, and by clearly stating why it didn't work - and that they are not just outsourcing their work to StackOverflow users.
 
that's close, but not quite what I'm getting at
so... If I go to my co-worker and say, "Hey, I need to sort strings in a dropdown list according to how often they've been used recently - I know you've done this sort of thing before, wanna show me how?"
I'll probably get it.
But if I say, "I've been assigned the task of implementing a MRU list for our options page - but I really want to catch up on episodes of Breaking Bad instead; please write it for me (here's the spec document)"
That ain't gonna go over so well.
And this is what I've observed on SO (obviously with a slightly different context and phrasing)
 
That makes sense (and I'd totally close that as just being too broad)
Should it be closed as too broad?
 
1:11 AM
@Shog9 Oh, wait. I didn't realise what MRU meant. <_> I guess it isn't.
 
heh, sorry
 
I don't see the difference between those two questions other than one is: "I need to do a MRU list. How can I do this?" and the other is "I need to do a MRU list. Do this for me".
so maybe people just don't want askers to be jerks and deputise their work, and want them to be active learners rather than people who just don't want to spend time doing stuff.
 
@JonathanHobbs it's subtle. That's the problem. The distinction I'm drawing is that the former implies I know how to create and populate a dropdown, store and retrieve the options that will apply in it, etc. - all I'm really after is a routine that sorts a list of value pairs by one of the values.
 
@Shog9 The "What have you tried?" thing really is something I've noticed. Entirely depending on the people who see your question first, you'll either be downvoted with comments like "What have you tried?" or you'll be upvoted and get answers (actually, in the other case you'll get answers too)
 
I could be even more specific about that, but then you're getting into X/Y territory where I'm making some assumptions as to the ideal implementation based on how I think the sort is going to work - since I know other folks have done this already, I'd prefer to defer to their experience in the matter.
There's a sweet spot that allows fairly challenging questions from folks who know what they're doing and are looking for answers from peers, but sets a seemingly higher bar for folks who don't know what they're doing, or at least seem to indicate otherwise in how they're asking.
 
1:15 AM
@Shog9 And the being a troubleshooting tool thing is, I think, a reason why rep is strangely hard to obtain in SO compared to other SE sites I've used: there is almost always very little value in actually reading other peoples' questions. The problem is highly specific to their strange situation, and the answers aren't much use for learning very often, just solutions to their problem. Contrast to RPG.SE and Boardgames.SE where most topics are fascinating resources for learning.
@Shog9 it really is subtle :(
 
@JonathanHobbs Right. I might actually want to sit down and write a few lines to sort an MRU list, just to keep me in practice. It's a simple enough task, but one you see folks getting wrong regularly enough to know there's a small opportunity for error. Should the asker be shut down, my opportunity squelched, just because the asker didn't dump a bunch of worthless / irrelevant code into the question?
Ironically, by trying to hammer down "lazy askers", we can end up creating a situation where the safest questions to answer are so specific to the asker's implementation that they're difficult for anyone else to re-use.
 
Hrm, how did this question slip past the radar?
 
@Doorknob the code was well indented
@Shog9 I... think the "What have you tried?" thing should maybe be done away with. Really.
Some of the time I see it, it's on a question where the user says: "I'm trying to do this but it didn't work [and no detail about how]. How do I do this?"
Sometimes however it's just on a pretty good question that didn't provide some code.
In the former case though, a better question is to just ask them in what way what they did didn't work.
But SO users appear to have a lot of different and contrasting ideologies jostling about, so it's hard to know what the best practice is.
 
1:43 AM
@JonathanHobbs yeah.
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Q: "What have you tried" epidemic

Frankston Ralphington III"What have you tried?" comments are good. Usually. ChrisF's take on the matter The Establishment's take on the matter Statistics The usage of "what you tried" is growing (v2) In Q1 of 2012 - 0.0134 such comments per question (~1.33%) In Q2 of 2012 - 0.0167 such comments per question (~1...

 
 
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3:46 AM
Hi, strange, I failed at an audit question apparently when I put "No action needed" in there, and I seem to have been banned for seven days for that only failure. I cannot recall any other. Is this supposed to work like this? Also, I think the question was a border line. I think it was still OK, and I did read it. Probably half of the people would say this, and the other half that. Is it OK to propose removing bogus audit questions on meta?
it is silly that personally different opinions for a question can lead to seven days bans for a person who otherwise might do great job (not referring to me, but in general!). I think the audit questions should be way more straight-forward to decide what to do as opposed to personal opinion about border lines.
 
@LaszloPapp But that is a terrible question. I don't know how it could be considered border-line.
 
I think it is a fairly valid question
and it is quite common, eventually.
he wanted to get a reference implementation for an algorithm, and he provided all the input needed for that.
so I fail to see why it is not valid. If I had seen the question, and known the answer, I would have even replied to be honest.
(I just asked a few friends using SO, and they have the same opinion fwiw)
anyway, I will be back to contributing to SO in 7 days. I do not feel like being around, when I am limited about basic contributing option due to a differing opinion about a silly audit task.
 
The worst part of the question is it asks for examples, which pretty much opens the door for anyone to post anything.
 
actually, most of the OPs ask for example how to do something because they do not know.
That is perfectly fine and valid.
Anyway, I am clearly not a person who wanted to get a badge, and I read it carefully, and then considered it. My personal opinion still stands alongside a few friends, at least.
if it is worth giving seven days ban, then let it be. I will withdraw my contribution for seven days.
(fwiw, I would have even downvoted the close proposal of the thread)
but different opinion should not lead to ban at all.
audit questions should way more straight-forward, and not based on personal opinion, but technical facts.
 
4:03 AM
That question is not at all a specific programming problem. It's broad and lacking in any understanding of what they're doing. That's probably about as straight-forward as you can get as far as audits go without just throwing out some spam from Sumer...
 
asking for a Java reference implementation about a specific algorithm?
That are several thousands of those around if not more.
answered, upvoted, and all that. I am very sorry to see there are such audit questions which may lead to ban for significant contributors, but with slightly different opinion in certain cases than the "banning team".
 
"Binary search algorithm" is not anywhere near specific. There are multiple types of binary search algorithms.
 
I think you are not making any sense.
He has a perfect understanding what he would like to get and he even wrote that.
He would like to get a reference implementation. That is, any is fine.
I honestly fail to see how this one out of the many can be considered bad ** universally **, and lead to valued contributors banned.
I mean, it is not about whether "stfuf" is correctly spelled, i.e. factual. It is based heavily on personal opinions, and an audit question should stay away from that.
and his intention seems quite clear to me, and it makes perfect sense, and as I said, I am not the only established user on SO who would think the same.
in fact, many newcomers look for binary search algorithm implementations to see some reference, and this thread would have been invaluable resource for that.
is meta the right place to propose removing/replacing audit questions which I personally think silly?
 
Hello. I was curious, as I am eligible for the generalist badge, why it wasn't awarded to me when the script ran? The generalist list shows that one was awarded only 56 minutes ago, and I have had the credit for it for two passes now.
 
Yes, there is a tag, filled with questionable audits which are much closer to the border-line than your example.
 
4:12 AM
If this does not happen, I will stop reviewing stuff.
since I could be banned anytime based ** purely ** on personal opinion, not factual stuff.
 
Review audits, however, are automatically selected based on a private algorithm.
That question had a score of -5, was closed, and was even deleted. Seems like a good audit candidate.
 
Yeah, because there are only 5 users, right?
it would have been -4 btw
if it is not yet deleted.
I would have upvoted it as I find it valuable.
and for that matter, my friends would have upvoted it, too, maybe.
again, I will stop reviewing stuff in the future, it is pointless.
ban can be easily reached based purely on personal opinion which can differ a lot.
and audit questions seem to have potentially gone far from the factual judgement at times.
 
@TravisJ How did you determine that you were eligible for the badge?
 
not to mention, there are several hundred of examples with reopening in such scenarios.
 
4:16 AM
@TravisJ It appears you have misplaced some tags.
 
@jadarnel27 I think he highlighted the ones that are supposedly eligible.
 
Please let me know when audit questions are meant to be more factual than anything that is -5/closed.
 
@jadarnel27 - By removing the td element it caused the table to appear to render in a bad order. You can look for yourself though stackoverflow.com/users/1026459/travis-j?tab=tags
 
then I will continue reviewing and help the site to work better.
it is unhealthy when personal opinions lead to ban valued contributors.
 
@animuson - That is correct
 
4:17 AM
@TravisJ You need a score of 15 or more in 20 of the top 40 tags.I only count 15 there. I thinkyou transferred the 15 onto the second requirement.
 
haha
You are correct, thanks for the clarification.
 
and even more: one such a situation should not lead to ban, i.e. algorithm is broken IMHO.
 
@TravisJ If you're interested, the Stinking Badges page tracks the Generalist badge.
 
Was there a discussion before about fixing the banning algorithm?
i.e. has someone proposed not to ban people for one personal disagreement with the ban machine?
 
There were two other failed audits within the last month: 1 2 - It does seem weird that three over a 30-day period would trigger it though.
 
4:24 AM
I should post on Meta asking why all of the Stack Overflow policies and algorithms are completely broken, and appear to be designed to inconvenience me personally.
Because that's really starting to get on my nerves.
 
Definitely a feature @jadarnel27
 
@jadarnel27: perhaps, this site is not for you if everything bothers you here.
@animuson: the second is pretty odd as it talks about dinosaurus......
I wonder how I ended up accepting that..... That is clearly a mistake. I do not even understand how that happened.
as for the first, I was lenient, maybe.
at any rate, this is too strict, and IMO harmful for the site to ban to due to personal tastes.
(it is not like you are banned in a community, irc, etc when you have a different opinion and you raise it)
since disagreements simply happen.
as for 2), that was factual, I agree about that.
but looking for a reference implementation of an algorithm in Java with all the details provided for the questions, etc, is simply not factually bad thread.
 
@Bart That's hurtful.
I actually forgot that this was already asked on Meta.
Maybe I should bounty it.
 
Really @jadarnel27? Link
 
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4:31 AM
/me is submitting a kind request to remove that audit question, or at least replacing with one that actually makes sense from factual pov.
 
Seriously, @Bart.
 
And they close that as not constructive?
 
@Bart I know. I'm gonna go rant about this in that other room.
 
@jadarnel27 If only a fifth user who is now a diamond would have voted to close that question...
 
@animuson Haha, right? That question has some serious bling.
 
4:34 AM
/me downvoted that thread, and agrees with making no any sense, and is rightfully closed
 
Oh come on, it clearly states what the problems are with the site, and provides ideas of how they can be addressed. I would consider reopening this.
I'm surprised the community moderators didn't pick up on that one yet.
 
of course you can always cast your reopen vote.
 
I mean, even @jadarnel27's excellent answer had to be posted as a comment there. That's a waste
 
I worked hard on that.
That's it, I'm going to stop contributing here.
 
@Bart: if you like the thread, why not reopen cast? That is what it is for.
 
4:43 AM
I've been using Stack Overflow for a month and a half, and I know exactly how it should work.
And I'm mad about it working wrong!
Wrongly...
 
I kinda see where you're coming from now. I mean, even the character limit works against you there.
 
Incorrectly.
 
One word would have said it all
 
That's true. Speaking of which.
...brown.
 
hopefully that silly thread is also added for audit.
 
4:46 AM
 
Haha, awesome.
 
@jadarnel27 Brown will be serving you tomorrow.
 
That creeps me out. Primarily because I don't know what you mean.
But I am also intrigued.
I would like for brown to serve me.
Or deserve me.
 
Think of it like you just saw the piece of paper out of a fortune cookie.
 
It makes me think I'm going to get a package from UPS.
 
4:55 AM
....in bed?
 
Hahahaha
That or I'm gonna get pooped on.
Like my fiance. Or presumably @TimStone has been pooped on by now.
He's been a dad for several days now.
 
Ok I don't think I want to know about that.
I should go to bed. Have my aptitude test in the morning. Plus the hour drive to get to the aptitude test.
 
good night
 
5:11 AM
br0wn
I come here to see @jadarnel27 acting strangely and I'm an hour late. Stupid lack of daylight savings time here.
 
5:29 AM
Some people have to work tomorrow.
Some people are squirrel-handed. Gregor is a weird name.
At least that's what they say.
And I don't mean something weird by "they".
I mean that light floating over my bed that disappears when a blink really fast for a while.
You know. "They".
I'm gonna watch that video about the sound that a fox makes 14 or 15 more times and then go to sleep.
See ya nator, mootinator.
 
An ancient mystery.
 
5:53 AM
is there a way to see who approved or rejected a tag wiki edit?
 
Anonymous
6:19 AM
@LaszloPapp Yes. Find the suggestion in the "activity" tab of your profile, and click on the "suggested edit" link. In the case of your most recent suggested edit, that would take you here.
 
Anonymous
(That doesn't include the wiki body itself, so you'd need to go to your profile and find that suggestion as well if you were interested.)
 
ok, thanks!
 
6:37 AM
No room is as active as ELU chat room I guess! :P
 
 
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8:04 AM
@Bart: about?
I was wondering if it made sense to create a "qtcore" tag on SO similarly to other module tags, like qtnetwork, qtsql, qtgui, etc.. and probably the existing class tags. The drawback of new tags as I see, we already have many qt tags around due to the class tags, and there is an upper limit for tags which is I believe 5 (?). What do you think about this?
 
8:29 AM
I'd say that's thinning things out too far @LaszloPapp.
 
@Bart: well, actually it is meant to be the other direction.
instead of many class tags, create one container, and redirect those to the container.
i.e. generating less tags for the future
(that is in addition to the consistency, for sure)
I think QThread, QList, etc class tags are a bit weird.
 
Ah, like that. I misunderstood. Hmm. On the one hand I don't see the direct need for a qtablewidget tag. On the other hand, that's where the issue most likely is. Grouping that under its module might not be all that intuitive if you don't have a somewhat in-depth knowledge of Qt.
 
right, you object to both ideas even they are the opposites.. :)
btw, QTableWidget has nothing to do with QtCore.
 
QtGui
 
yes, which is not QtCore
 
8:39 AM
Sure.
 
so, I think QThread, QList, etc are too fine-grained for no real gain.
IMO, class tags are weird in general... I am not sure if it happens to other frameworks, like boost, java sun stuff, etc.
 
Then again, we do have tags such as stdvector
 
well, that is common
although I am not sure what the use of it is.
a problem can relate to several classes.... so adding a zoo of class tags is noisy IMO
as opposed to adding 1-2 module tags.
 
Perhaps propose it. I'm not immediately opposed to it. Not sure how much work it would be and how clear that is for other users.
 
propose it means?
I mean, I can create it off-hand if I wish? :)
 
8:43 AM
Make it a discussion on Meta
 
You mean, opening a discussion about it on meta what other interested people think?
 
Yeah, state your case. If there is consensus in the end, you won't be on your own to do the re-tagging and associated cleanups
Or people might come up with valid reasons why it's not a good idea.
 
were there such discussions in the past about tag reformulation?
 
Minor specific ones.
Let me have a look
 
ok, thanks.
just to get some taste
I have read several questions over the past weeks, and a couple of issues are related to at least 2-3 classes, and it is getting a zoo to keep tracking each of them.
 
8:47 AM
I believe general consensus usually is that we don't necessarily need to keep the number of tags low if they add something of value ...... where "something of value" is of course up for debate
 
well, qtcore is orthogonal
 
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Qwerty BobWhat is the stance over class-specific tags in questions? Clearly — for example — it would be best to have cocoa (an API/Framework) than nsarray (a class defined within). The real question is, should class-specific tags be removed? APIs have hundreds of class names. Considering many Framework &...

 
you can have class tags if you wish.
and seeing all the qt core tags is useful to me.
since I am mostly interested in core isues
issues
that answer seems to agree about qtcore if you ask my interpretation.
 
It's addition would be fine I think. But if I understood correctly, you would also like to get rid of some of the more class-specific ones?
 
left a comment thre
there*
Yes, that was my idea initially.
if others like class tags, I am fine with keeping them around, although I will not maintain it.
as I have been doing it.
it will be easier for me to maintain a module tag.
Regardless, I will open a thread on meta later this weekend, just in case, thanks. Provided, I do not forget stuff as I usually do. :/
 
8:53 AM
If you do forget, I might open it and get all the glory. ;)
 
$(brown)
4
 
seems it is hard to get flags reviewed when we mark questions as dup.
 
@LaszloPapp Hello
 
I have had 5 pending, for a while. :)
@Shyam: hi
 
@LaszloPapp Whats up?
 
9:06 AM
Shyam: should I know you? :)
 
@LaszloPapp No :)
 
ok, I need to cycle now, sorry. Laters.
 
Means ?
@LaszloPapp
 
That he's leaving @Shyam.
 
ok
 
9:32 AM
yeah, back.
@Bart: is there a way to automate the qtcore addition somehow?
there are 20k qt questions.
I believe at least 1/10 is related to qtcore.
or 1/20
and it would take a lot of time to retag manually.
is it possible to automate it the way that I specify the qtcore classes
and qtcore is added automatically for those class tags.
i.e. "parent/child" tag relation between tags.
and of course, it is also important not to cause disruption, i.e. questions do not get bumped.
 
Not that I know of. It would be a manual process.
 
@LaszloPapp Welcome Back :)
 
thanks. :)
@Bart: ok, thanks.
@Bart: sounds like a FR. Has anyone asked for that before?
 
Don't know
And I'm not entirely sure on the bumping reasons regarding the addition of a tag
It might not get bumped, but someone would have to confirm/deny that
 
@LaszloPapp Ok bye Bro :)
 
9:40 AM
Bye.
@Bart: ok, maybe @Oded?
 
You rang?
2
 
@Oded: are the questions bumped for adding a tag?
 
I believe so.
When clearing out old bugs on Meta, I will normally just update tags - the front page ends up with my name all over ;)
 
ok, thanks.
@Oded: did you plan to add parent/child relationship support for tags?
 
Me personally, no.
As far as I know, we don't have plans to do so. Do you have a related Meta thread?
 
9:45 AM
Do note that @Oded merely clears tags to get his name on the front page. He does not actually resolve bugs.
meta.stackoverflow.com/search?q=tag+hierarchy @LaszloPapp Couple of good reads on that.
 
@Bart True enough. I introduce bugs.
 
@Bart: ok, thanks.
 
Hey, if nobody would do that, there would be nothing to resolve. You're quite the asset @Oded. :)
 
I know, I know. There is a reason why we don't have unit tests.
 
Ha. The only reason I just integrated TestFlight into our apps is to spy on our testers. It's not as if I'm going to do some actual testing....
 
9:52 AM
is there any reason why a date count down was not added for the ban display when going to the "review" page.
it always writes 7 days.
@Bart: which tags should I put into my qtcore meta question apart from "tags", maybe "discussions"?
@Oded: ok, so it is ethically not bad to do retagging for good even if it bumps questions.
 
Retagging for retaggings sake isn't really a great thing - not just because it bumps, but because most questions have bigger issues. If it is small scale and for a good reason, sure.
 
how can questions having issues cause issues with bumping?
 
Huh? If a question needs retagging due to bad tags, sure, retag it (but also see if there are other improvements).
I am, however, against mass-retagging just because.
 
obviously, it is not "just because"
otherwise people would not bother at all.
well, about perfectionism, I do not care, ok.
perfection is the enemy of good
 
10:08 AM
My point being - it needs to be a good reason and not just because one person has an issue they feel they must fix.
 
Which is why it's always smart to get some Meta consensus. Then there is something you can point at if the consensus is "yes, let's do this".
 
sigh
why is this hostility again, again, and again
obviously, when I have an issue, it is not just "me".
if someone would like to make significant improvements which has an impact on many users, it is not just about that person.
@Bart: I do not think that is an authoritive consensus
 
Hostility? There was nothing personal in what I said. Please don't take it as such.
 
@Bart: it is not like the majority using stackoverflow bothers to go to meta.
 
It's as authoritative as you can get.
 
10:13 AM
@Bart: yes, but that is not enough.
@Bart: in fact, if you start doing it, regardless the previous "consensus", it may get full of downvotes. :-)
and you get a different consensus. :p
 
But the point I (or we) are trying to make is that indeed it's not just you. So get some support from others to fall back on.
 
What he said ^^^
 
 
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12:50 PM
Hi
 
Hello
 
@Oded While searching for some info I came across a few very old SO threads (one even as old as 2008). In those threads, I found some answers which were not really answers.
Question is should I still flag them for removal (or) should I leave it as such because they are so old?
 
Absolutely flag them. But be careful - only flag them as not an answer if they are: 1. questions. 2. me toos.
 
Ok. Thanks @Oded
 
If they look like answers, the flag may very well be declined. In that case, downvote and flag as low quality or even use "Other" and explain.
 
12:53 PM
Thank you :)
 
no problem
 
@Bart: mind proof-reading the meta post before sending? I do not wanna make any silly mistakes that your experience can filter out.
 
1:22 PM
Sorry about that @LaszloPapp. Reads like a fair enough discussion.
 
1:35 PM
ok, thanks.
how often is the Research Assistant badge progress recalculated by the way? Is that also updated in the same bunch when the tag scores i.e. 3 am?
It writes 2 wiki edits, but I have three accepted.
if so, what else is updated at 3 am?
 
Different badges run at different intervals. Some are multiple times per day. Some or not even on a daily basis afaik. Don't know what the details are for them specifically.
I knew we talked about that recently. Read from here down: chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/1546353#1546353
 
2:44 PM
I should really start getting more sleep.
 
Me too.
I should also really turn my phone ringer on so I don't miss calls I've been waiting for.
 
Dammit, will you guys please stop waking me up while I'm at work?
 
@jadarnel27 Sleep. Ahah. Ahahah. AHAHAHA.
 
wheels Tim off to the loony bin
Haha, that was a bit insensitive to complain about sleep. I didn't see you standing there.
It's like when I complain about work to my fiance.
 
Nah, I actually get not-particularly-less sleep than I always have. :P
 
2:50 PM
You've been preparing for this for years!
=)
 
How old is the little one?
 
24 days old now
@jadarnel27 Exactly!
 
Maybe I shouldn't start getting more sleep then.
 
I don't remember those times with my kids. Loss of memory due to exhaustion
 
I am getting married soon (in exactly one month).
 
2:56 PM
IIRC - waking up every 2-3 hours for feeds. Or just trying to figure out why the !"@$%^& they are crying.
 
Heheh, yeah, he was pretty good last night...about four hours or so between waking up. And he usually only cries when he's hungry, so that's not too bad.
@jadarnel27 \o/
Apparently one of my coworkers got married last weekend, but I forgot because I haven't been in the office in...a long time.
Probably going on five weeks now, whoops...
 
Yeah. First, the memory goes...
 
"Exactly one month" is kind of an odd thing to say, now that I think of it.
 
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