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11:00 AM
Oh, suggestion bans
 
who have nothing to do with the topic, and they do not understand why it is not minor.
Manishearth: yes.
 
I thought you were suspended by a mod
 
Manishearth: but it is also review queue ban.
Manishearth: no no
Manishearth: I had a few rejected replacement
Manishearth: by some silly web guys.
who are acting against our qt tag wiki IMHO.
 
The main issue against minor edits is that the time of the reviewers is wasted
It takes at least 3 people to review an edit
Minor edits are discouraged to prevent flooding
 
wasted???
 
11:01 AM
Yep. So make it more substantial than just typo fixing.
 
it is an important issue well defined by our tag wiki
it is not a typo fix.
it is a project name fix
 
If you find a post that has QT, fix it and fix some other things in the same post
 
it is policy fix for the qt tag.
Manishearth: why would I if there is nothing else?
Manishearth: note, this robo rejecting guys are doing regardless if you do other fixes.
 
It is unlikely that someone going to one of these questions will mistake QT for anything but Qt. Just making that change is of little value.
 
Manishearth: I even had these cases when I made all the fixes possible and saw.
@Oded: sigh
@Oded: clearly, you have not bothered to read such posts, nor tagwiki, nor wikipedia, nor our qt guidelines.
@Oded: based on that, I do not consider your opinion weighting much in here.
I respect all your other works, whatsoever.
 
11:03 AM
Yes, sigh. It is your pet-peeve. You don't seem to understand that others don't share your opinions on this.
 
and for sure, I know, many people disagree with you whom I talked to.
 
And, if you want to be allowed to make such edits, meta post
 
they *** do ***
I talked to qt devs even on SO.
what do you think we have put it into the tagwiki, seriously?
 
Being in the wiki doesn't necessarly give it importance
 
Manishearth: once I am back, I will be above 2000
 
11:05 AM
Also, there are two things here
 
Manishearth: I will do it off-the-shelf.
 
"Don't use QT"
And "Fix all the QT"
They are different
 
sigh
yes, if the guideline says do not use swearing words and there are posts happened in crap, we should not fix
or the guideline says, do not ask for downvote reason
but existing ones should not be deleted.
 
@LaszloPapp Did I say that?
 
Note, I suggested the other day to do automated fix
 
11:07 AM
Don't put words in my mouth
We do remove swearwords
 
and whole time wasting discussion, activity, etc whatsoever would not be born
 
@LaszloPapp Where? On meta?
Or on chat?
 
chat, because Oded was hostile to it
so I did not bother to propose further
 
then don't complain about it
 
Manishearth: well, I can guarantee the daily downvote limit for these.
as my only tool in hand.
automated suggestion -> objected to
fixes -> objected to
although that is the least constructive.
but I did not get better options.
 
11:09 AM
Me being against an idea doesn't mean you shouldn't post it on Meta. I am only human and if the community wants it, it wants it.
 
Manishearth: and to be frank, who does not even read the tagwiki well deserve -1
but of course, there should be a more constructive option in our hands ... sadly, we do not.
 
@LaszloPapp There is a constructive option
Post
Meta
On
This is probably the twentieth time we're telling you that
 
Manishearth: this is the twentieth time I am telling you this that I lost my ambition.
perhaps a sign for being less demotivating for new ideas next time?
 
@LaszloPapp Then don't say that there is no constructive option
 
(and no, I am not looking for sympathy, just a not-fully-discouraging feedback, like "you can try, but it does not make any sense, and will probably be downvotes")
 
11:13 AM
Don't complain then.
 
Manishearth: there is none.
 
@LaszloPapp There is one, you just lost the ambition to use it
 
Also, when I went to meta I got -11
that is another very demotivating stuff.
I do not need yet another thread where web experts and other guys will tell me it is a non-important typo, and your policy does not make much sense.
and get -10000000
 
@LaszloPapp I've already told you it's an important typo. And that it indeed needs fixing....along with all the other flaws.
 
@Bart: you were also telling it is "hard to implement" etc etc.
which I took as an objection to it.
 
11:17 AM
What? The automatic QT -> Qt tool you were talking about?
 
(which I indicated to disagree with based on that I am also writing a web service at the moment for similar checks)
@Bart: yes
@Bart: that would be the topic for the post on meta.
 
I don't recall stating it being difficult to implement. Only that you'll have to realize it's never going to be a one-scenario tool. And that I can see problems where context is involved. Or code blocks, etc. But I'm not nearly qualified enough to discuss implementation difficulty on the SO/SE side of things. And I don't think I'm far off when I say that such a tool would not have priority, if it is going to be considered at all
 
@Bart: all the rest causing ban, a lot of communication overhead, extra work, etc are just side effects and arguments for getting the tool implemented.
 
It is a non-important typo :)
 
The stance will probably be: make complete edits or suggest complete edits
Don't make me slap you @ThiefMaster.
 
11:20 AM
yes, so continue the ban, extra work, communication overhead, etc
 
Except certain people who are also of no value to any SE site (I'm talking about those who fail to understand the basic principles of Q&A sites and programming) everyone will usually see from the context if something is about Qt or QuickTime (and do that many people abbreviate QuickTime with QT anyway?)
 
because we all enjoy it so much ...
 
@LaszloPapp nobody is forcing you to edit. All we ask is, if you do, make your edits substantial and complete, especially when they are still suggested edits.
 
the current workflow is only good for some careless web guys to go towards badges.
I am damn reading this site.
and helping many users.
if I see, it burns my eyes out ....
if you wanna tell me stop helping people, and move away, put it so.
(and again I am not the only one... talked to the person who put the tag wiki in there who happens to be my buddy from the Qt community)
 
If you don't want to make substantial and complete edits, yes...stop.
 
11:24 AM
Yes, sir.
 
I really don't understand the disdain towards web developers. And you complain about elitism?
 
because clearly you have not bothered to understand the issue.
yet, you seem to have very strong opinion.
 
@LaszloPapp Me is one thing. But you keep talking about "web guys". Not just me.
 
@LaszloPapp you have taken the stance that your edits should not have been rejected. Based on that, and the reviewer's backgrounds, you seem to have come to the conclusion that there's a problem with web developers. Let me tell you this. I'm primarily active in C++ C#, a frequent user of Qt, and I would have rejected most of them.
 
1 min ago, by Oded
I really don't understand the disdain towards web developers. And you complain about elitism?
 
11:27 AM
@Bart: you said the opposite last time. Your opinion is changing every day.
@Oded: please read back.
@Oded: I wrote it a few times the things why I mention web guys in here.
@Bart: you said for several rejects, you would not have rejected.
@Bart: and in fact, you reapplied without mods.
 
No, not really. I have always said (and will always say) that QT -> Qt is a valid edit. If that is all there is wrong with a post, only editing that is fair enough.
However, I urge you to look at the various edits I've made this morning
On the posts for which your edits were rejected
 
as I wrote gazillion times, even "only QT fixes" were rejected.
 
And I have told you that that exact situation should not have been rejected
 
it is not really about today
let me repeat: it is about web guys who have nothing to do with Qt.
 
Mistaken rejections happen unfortunately
 
11:29 AM
yet they think they have enough skills to review such a change.
 
But that does not excuse you from making too minor suggested edits
 
it is not a mistake
it is a mistake of many.
@Bart: I will happily act differently above 2000 rep
feel free to go through my answers and give a downvote to prevent reaching that ASAP
 
If you would have made the exact edits that I have made this morning, I would be surprised if they were rejected.
 
yada-yada
 
Oh come on, grow up. If you think we bother downvoting you out of some form of spite, you're talking to the wrong group of people.
 
11:31 AM
that was more like a joke
i.e. you cannot do anything me disagreeing.
and interpreting too minor differently than you
not to mention, you have just said above it is an important change.
which inherently is against "too minor"
sorry, I forgot to put smiley.
by modulo community and moderator approval
 
11:44 AM
@Bart: I think it is you who should bring it to meta.
if you are this strong about your position
s/QT/Qt/ should be disallowed explicitly by the rules regardless what the tagwiki writes.
that way, perhaps you could reach your goal ... somewhat.
 
I have already clarified my point of view regarding edits and the "too minor" qualification in answers to various questions on the topic.
 
it is your view.
it is not a community decision
as a few people claimed here before....
that was a false alarm.
 
And it has generally received a significant number of upvotes
 
what?
I do not see any vote about s/QT/Qt/ forbidden
you should bring it to meta if you wanna reach that.
otherwise do not argue about minor
 
Why would I raise that?
 
11:46 AM
then stop telling people they should not approve such things.
they may have a different opinion about too minor, you know?
(especially to Qt devs ;)
 
I think that should provide you with plenty of material from my side, and a general idea of how the community appreciates that view. If you feel anything needs to be addressed, you raise the issue on Meta. I see no need for me to do this.
 
then please stop telling to people what is minor
(especially if you know well they have different opinion for their valid reason)
and respect their position.
 
I absolutely won't.
And I will evaluate accordingly
After discussing this on plenty of occasions with the community
Reaching a consensus based on several viewpoints, considering a wide range of scenarios.
 
having looked at your edits a bit, some of the stuff around the QT change is IMHO useless, i.e. non-important
 
Show me an example
 
11:52 AM
I will. remind me tonight.
I need to get back to work. This is getting long.
(not that I will be happy to discuss what is minor to you, and what is minor to others)
 
Meh, just raise it on Meta if you think there's a problem that needs addressing.
 
no, thanks.
-100000s do not motivate me to go there.
with issues.
and personal insults, etc
 
/me wondering if /me should be insulted by talk about "web guys"
 
To quote another user: "yada-yada"
 
user image
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11:57 AM
Not really @Oded. You're a "Web Sir".... entirely different category.
 
^^^^ Web guy
 
Just finding it funny that someone who finds (and complains about) insults (real or imaginary) everywhere is happy to be derogatory to a whole group.
@TimPost - if only you could reorder chat transcripts...
 
Feature request: paste that image whenever someone says "web guy"
 
Where is picBot when you need him?
 
Who needs a Bot when you have cyberskull?
 
12:05 PM
Nice try bot.
 
@Oded why can't we have him here? :D
needs moar Jay
 
Say hello to cyberskull
 
@cyberskull needz moar managers
No love.
 
 
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1:36 PM
@Bart: stackoverflow.com/questions/18341177/… flag decliend for the downvote reason asking.
seems like more reviewers decline that than approve....
 
How and why did you flag it?
 
"I have been told by moderators asking for the downvote reason should be avoided, and marked by us for deletion. Hence, doing so."
stackoverflow.com/questions/18754057/… -> here the comment was flagged as it was an answer to my question, but since the issue got solved after the discussion, I removed my comments, and flagged that one for removal.
that got declined as well.
I wonder if moderators are against me or what? :D
 
So you use custom flag reasons?
 
always, yes.
otherwise I cannot explain.
 
I'd go for "obsolete" or "too chatty" or the like
 
1:39 PM
I would have thought that would have more chance for decline....
and the context would not be necessarily clear.
anyway, there seems to be an issue in here ongoing.
acceptance/rejection does not happen as moderators wish.
 
Comment flags are a bit tricky in any case. I have less success with those than regular flags.
Then again, I usually use the standard options, which are not necessarily handled by mods
If the community can handle it, let them handle it.
 
seems mods do not like me disagreeing with stuff
 
I would have not yet flagged the downvote explanation request.
 
but if I write something like that, mods jump on me almost in no time.
seems I got some special attention.
 
If it's still around after some time, sure. But it's a polite request.
 
1:42 PM
so were mine
anyways, mods clearly do not like me.
 
@LaszloPapp Comment flags are anonymous by the way
 
I doubt mods have any particular like or dislike for you
Are they still @ThiefMaster?
I thought that had changed?
 
unfortunately yes.. it was only changed for spam/offensive post flags
 
Ah. I knew something had happened somewhere ...
 
ThiefMaster: then they are simply unreasonable.
once I hear something, I act accordingly, and I get a declined flag.
well, for me, it seems unreasonable.
especially a left-over reply to an already deleted question, and solved issue.
(with a quite clear explanation about it)
 
 
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2:53 PM
Question: I was thinking of trying to close this question, but I can't find a close reason for "user didn't read error message". I also failed to find a discussion about this on meta. Should I just leave it alone?
 
Off-topic -> Questions asking for code must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved.
@Hasturkun ^^^^
Not reading the error message constitutes lack of understanding
 
Okay, fair enough.
Thanks
 
3:11 PM
is anyone aware of a BB SO client?
 
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Q: StackBerry application for BlackBerry

Michael B.Screenshot / Code Snippet About I created this app because I always wanted to create an open source application. But I never had an idea on what to do. So I used my skill in BlackBerry development to build an app with the API provided by StackOverflow. License It's licensed under GNU Genera...

 
StackBerry - that should be a proper cereal.
 
> You should have received a prompt that your LAN password will expire in -41165 days.
I think I'm off that day.
 
I meant BB10
the newest OS which is in use these days.
 
Nothing official - anything out there would be read only
 
3:21 PM
topstackflow I have, but it is quite feature poor.
I cannot even log in.
cannot go back to a previous page, etc.
 
The mobile version is functional, so if there is a decent browser app
 
that is not integrated with the native account system, notification, etc.
also, it is inherently browser, not a dedicated app, so have additional functionalities.
 
This guy is worse than Panama.
Or possibly is Panama.
Neal? Are you in there Neal?
 
Looking for a man @jadarnel27? A plan perhaps?
 
And a canal
 
3:36 PM
No hat?
 
@Bart and @TimPost are on the right track here.
I think we lost @Oded =P
(though it's more likely that I just don't get the joke haha)
 
Not really. The man, plan and all that. Though I lost track with Panama:
 
Don't make me explain it to you @Oded
 
@Bart I miss Neil too.
Oh. Brown.
 
nods Brown indeed.
 
3:48 PM
Where's Neil?
I know where Waldo is...
 
That is a nice hat.
 
Did someone say br0wn?
Who is this Neil person and what are you talking about canals for.
I sure do miss amanaP
:P
 
Yeah, whatever happened to that pleasant fellow? He always provided such pleasant discussions. And such useful, well-thought-out Meta contributions.
 
Perhaps we should have another election.
 
3:54 PM
Although it certainly feels like he's been here recently.
Hahaha, yes @Bart. I think that is the solution.
 
> I am having a same issue. Can anyone help with this please?
 
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Q: Isn't everything on meta too localized?

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM ACan we please remove the too localized reason from meta? Related: Change the text of "too localized" in the meta close reasons It seems that mostly everything on meta is related to one time or another and can technically beclosed as localed (along with this question as well) For example: This...

 
 
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6:42 PM
@jadarnel27 I know what you mean.
 
 
1 hour later…
Anonymous
7:44 PM
@jadarnel27 His profile still claims "In the Tavern.... Not quitting just yet....". It's a lie!
 
7:54 PM
are people supposed to get a warning before getting banned for edit?
 
@LaszloPapp No, although that has been suggested
 
shog9: thanks, but it is not entirely the same.
I mean a prior warning for banning like the review audit.
I do not mean to get notifications about all the rejected suggested edits.
"Account is not allowed to suggest edits" -> I have that tooltip now. Will that go away once I reach rep 2000?
or it will only expire?
 
@LaszloPapp The edit ban expires after 7 days. But reaching 2,000 reputation in the meantime would let you continue editing since you don't need the approval system anymore. You just wouldn't be able to suggest edits on tag wikis until the ban expired.
 
Someone broke pro forma comments again >.<
 
8:10 PM
animuson: so there is a different edit button for direct edit?
animuson: or the edit button would not be disabled anymore?
 
 
3 hours later…
10:45 PM
the edit button will simply show an inline editor once you have the necessary rep to edit directly
but i'm already telling you this: please do not start fixing typos in questions. editing a question bumps it and we really don't need tons of old questions bumped to the front page just because of a minor typo fix
 
11:15 PM
@JeremyonVacation Dirty liar!
 
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