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12:36 AM
@animuson Good luck! Is it another security job, or is it IT related?
 
why can't it be both, @jadarnel27? ;)
 
1:13 AM
@AndrewBarber Haha, I suppose it could be!
I can't stand the IT Security people at my work. They are almost as bad as the DBA's.
said Josh, generalizing cruelly
 
@jadarnel27 watch it ! ITS peeps might be monitoring your comms now - your data will go bad shortly before your password gets changed ... "Hello, have a nice day! Your Pals @ The NSA "
 
1:35 AM
@jadarnel27 911 dispatching. Pays over double what I make now...
 
@HowardPautz =P
That's excellent, @animuson. I hope you get it, sir.
 
+14 22:20 removed User was removed -> what is this in my reputation history?
 
@animuson I know a local dispatcher - she loves her job, but says it gets stressful at specific times (as we all can imagine!) July 4th is the worst.
 
@LaszloPapp someone asked for their account to be deleted. Turns out, they cost you a bit of rep at some point in the past.
 
I used to walk by a dispatch office all the time with a sticker in the window that read "Dispatchers tell cops where to go!" I didn't get it for the longest time....
 
1:39 AM
@Shog9: strange, thanks.
 
@animuson I used to talk to the folks at the University of Nebraska at Lincoln quite regularly. I worked for a company whose software they used.
 
@pops LOL the dispatcher I know has a bumper sticker that reads "Bad Cop, now I won't send you to the doughnut shop!"
 
I've sat in at the Sarpy Dispatch on Halloween last year. Their #1 call that night is youngins doing you-know-what out at the cemetery.
 
Hmmm must have been a grave matter...
 
was it discussed before to have a summary about suggested edits on your profile in order to not go to the latest edit and get your track record in there?
 
2:10 AM
hey any one - is there a meta-meta site ? I mean one that discusses all stack sites in general, or is meta.SE the place, or maybe even here. Oh Hi @AnnaLear you just popped in so perhaps you know ?
 
If you just want to discuss the network as a whole, then MSO is also the place (but skip the meta meta tag)
 
@Shog9 copy that --- had thought meta.so was just for s.o. ... thx
 
common point of confusion
no worries
 
I don't worry when I post in chat :-P
 
2:30 AM
Oh. Well then, Worry.
But just a little bit. For the practice.
 
Practice makes perfect.
 
NP, I use the recursive Alfred E. von Neumann algorithm :))
 
I don't believe in algorithms.
 
Nor do I, that's why I don't worry. I just code and let the universe spin...
" what me worry? -> worry -> worry "
 
2:46 AM
I'm glad we're all on the same page here.
We have a web service at work, we'll call it ABWebService. We also have an assembly, with an Object called ABWebServiceInterface.
I just had the very confusing revelation, today, that ABWebServiceInterface has nothing to do with ABWebService.
Which was very confusing for me. And time-consuming.
Because they do similar things.
Just not in exactly the same way.
I kind of figured "ABWebServiceInterface" was...ya know, an interface to make it easier to interact with ABWebService. But it doesn't even call ABWebService!
Okay, I think I'm done now.
 
Anonymous
3:11 AM
@jadarnel27 Hah, I witnessed something similar where a the client component for one of our services slowly grew more and more heavy until it was basically doing most of the work of the backend service itself, but slightly differently. (Not a good thing re: bugs.)
 
@JeremyonVacation Glad to hear I'm not alone =) And for sure - it has lead to some confusing bugs.
 
4:02 AM
> I understand that if I currently have debts serviced by collection agencies, it may result in disqualification.
> A. Yes B. No
> If Yes, please explain:
Seems like you'd want to explain that if you said No
 
4:20 AM
Haha. That is poorly worded.
 
4:37 AM
@Bart: heh, I have been disabled by the system to make suggested edits?
I posted 5-10 s/QT/Qt/ in a series, and seems someone rejected all of them.
and the edit button is disabled.
silly reviewers can block people this way to participate due to their bad behavior?
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Q: Why is the edit button disabled?

Pankaj KainthlaI edited some questions before, but am no longer able to click the edit button. I thought there was a problem with the specific question, but I cannot click it on any question. What's going on? Return to FAQ index

does that mean due to a stupid reviewer I am banned for one week to participate with editing?
 
Is that what the message says when you hover over the button?
 
there is no message; the edit button is just disabled.
I will post about it on meta.
 
Yes, but if you hover over the edit button there should be a tooltip explaining why it's disabled. Are you saying no tooltip appears?
 
4:54 AM
no tooltip at all.
 
5:26 AM
is there a moderator appealing form? Is meta the place for that?
 
5:38 AM
Moderators cannot manually revoke edit bans.
 
ouch
so stupid (or ignorant?) people can punish others without the option of being reverted?
 
6:05 AM
in any case, is there a way to figure out how much time I am suspended for?
 
Sorry if I am asking at the wrong place , what does "User was removed" mean? Got that yesterday, not sure what i did to earn that ...
 
6:54 AM
@Bart: do you know how I can get more information for how long my edit is suspended?
@Bart: the previous discussion only says if you are banned, but it does not define how you can get more information if you are banned.
 
If you've been suspended from editing, that will be for a week iirc @LaszloPapp
What is the "more information" you're looking for?
And you're saying there is no tooltip when hovering over the (disabled) edit link?
 
7:12 AM
correct
well one week no editing strikes me.
due to someone else's fault.
I would rather like to have that one other person suspended for a week from review.
 
There are a couple of issues with your edits though.
QT -> Qt is fine. But don't just edit that if there are other issues. (Or rather, if you plan to make several of them, check for other issues as well)
And editing and thereby bumping something like stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/2908429 is somewhat pointless. The question is off-topic, and your edit does nothing to help that. You're essentially asking people to review something that still doesn't deserve being on the site.
And have a look at stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/2908430 vs stackoverflow.com/posts/18621564/revisions . I'm still not proud of the title, but if you start editing something, don't just fix the one thing you see. That gets stuff rejected.
 
I do not care about the content.
However I care about the current state of the wrong project name and trademark usage.
if you wanna clean up the content, fine go ahead....
but if you do not, the stuff has to be fixed for now, no matter ehwt
 
@LaszloPapp Then wait with editing until you need no reviews
 
I would rather ask those people to be banned.
they are like robo reviewers.
 
Not really. Seeing your last batch of edits, I would have rejected plenty of them as "too minor". Or I would have improved them but selected them to be "not helpful".
 
7:25 AM
I do not see what is wrong with stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/2908429?
the title is fixed.
that is what it meant to do
I am actually getting frustrated
this whole no-automated-qt fix requires a lot of communication, work etc
as opposed to a quick developer fix.
these are all ignorant web people
why on earth do they review Qt changes ??????
 
9 mins ago, by Bart
And editing and thereby bumping something like http://stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/2908429 is somewhat pointless. The question is off-topic, and your edit does nothing to help that. You're essentially asking people to review something that still doesn't deserve being on the site.
 
I will not go to review web stuff, especially if I do not understand why a seamingly small edit happened.
I still do not understand.
the post is there.
so if it is still there, it should not be there wrong
in other words, it is not deleted, and it is there, and it shows wrong project information etc whatsoever.
why do we even bother than documenting how we like to organize the content for the qt tag
again, web people blindly robo reviewing trademark and project issues.
causing other helpful participants being banned.
they truly deserve a ban or rep decrease.
and even if that link was unuseful, ban for a week ffs?
some people truly do not care on this site for quality reviews.
 
Having several edits rejected will do that indeed
 
no no
you mentioned one case which I disagree with
 
I'm not saying your edits are incorrect, but they are incomplete.
 
7:34 AM
but even in that case, no one should be banned due to ignorance.
if there is such a rule on the site.
my edits are complete
they are meant to fix one particular and very important issue which the tagwiki also documents.
it is not meant to do anything more... I do not have time for reviewing long stuff just for the sake of reviewing when I only wanna fix an outstanding issue
anyway, these two days clearly show we need an automated system for this
it wasted way too much time for everyone.
Also, I will give -1 to anyone in the future writing QT
without even reading furher
/me goes doing that
 
You can vote how you see fit. And keep in mind that this is my view. If you disagree with it, feel free to ask for input on Meta.
 
sigh, someone edited my post again and changed what I wanted to say.
/me goes roll it back
so you think I deserve the one week ban?
 
In this particular case I think that's harsh. A shorter suspension would have been better.
And I've gone in to edit those posts where your edits were rejected
 
suspension???
 
edit-ban
 
7:41 AM
for fixing stuff?
are you serious???
 
If you want to edit before review is no longer necessary, please have a look at my edits. I think that if you would have made edits like that, they would not have been rejected.
Otherwise, wait until you no longer need the review.
Yes, I'm serious.
But once again, my view.
 
I will write about it on Meta
and invite Qt people
to face the reality.
this is unbearable
we cannot take care of our product here
 
No problem. Go ahead.
 
and the people behind the project deserve the bans
this is everything, but nice.
well, I will write the post after the dozens of -1
probably I will run out of the daily limit.
perhaps the web guys should maintain the qt tag
if they are that respected, and the qt people should be banned for taking care of the qt tag.
also, this is a guarantee I will be also a harsh with reviews in the future.
even outside my scope.
is there a list of edits I suggested?
 
7:46 AM
thanks.
perhaps mods will ban me because I think they deserve -1
since I have no other option to improve the situation than this.
I need to express it somehow.
I cannot fix them, and they are rejected.
right, daily vote limit reached.
will continue tomorrow. :-)
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Q: Shadow for qml frameless windows

DcowI have frameless main window, created by qml ( ApplicationWindow {..} in my main.qml file) I instantiate qml by QQmlApplicationEngine::load (class introduced in Qt5.1). If I set the Qt.FramelessWindowHint flag, the window is frameless, but loses shadow (in Windows). How to add shadow to my windo...

also, I flagged the comment here for removal
I do not understand how it can be removed.
IMHO, just someone was working hard against my in the review queue when I was making these.
 
I can't see your flag summary
 
how it cannot be removed.
right, basically I wrote this explanation:
"This was an answer to my question which I removed. The issue has now been resolved, so I think this comment can be removed now safely. "
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Q: Shadow for qml frameless windows

DcowI have frameless main window, created by qml ( ApplicationWindow {..} in my main.qml file) I instantiate qml by QQmlApplicationEngine::load (class introduced in Qt5.1). If I set the Qt.FramelessWindowHint flag, the window is frameless, but loses shadow (in Windows). How to add shadow to my windo...

 
That flag was declined?
Normally you can just flag such comments as "obsolete".
 
I cannot imagine any possible scenario where declining that makes sense
it seems there are robo reviewers for rejects, too.
and I had 40 flags accepted out of 41
so my track record for comments was even very good.
I wonder if these situations happen to me only for some reason, also to others at large.
prolly there are threads out there complaining about /clearly/ unrightfully declined reviews.
 
Flukes happen. I've had flag rejected that should not have been.
 
7:54 AM
I guess we cannot know who rejected it unlike edit reviews?
 
Nope
 
maybe some web mods
shouldn't the system bring up reviews in your domain expertise, i.e. based on your tag track record?
 
I am not entirely sure on the mechanisms behind it, but I believe it already tries to do so in some cases. (Though Oded will surely tell me I'm making that up)
 
I think web people do not understand the significance of such renames
because they have not probably met this in the web world.
what I am wondering about is why they do not read upon before acting?
It is so clear that - especially if the reason is clearly provided - is not a spam.
especially when someone's track record is good enough.
I think they feel the urge of making few secs decisions which is against quality.
perhaps moderators should also have audit. :)
 
user234239
Hi @Bart.. it seems I can still stir y'all up in here despite wiping out my MSO and SO accounts
 
7:58 AM
Oh dammit @UV-D...so you can still see all the bad stuff we've said about you?
 
user234239
LOL
 
user234239
I know you worship me @Bart
 
Shrine? What shrine? That's no shrine..... (blows out candles and closes closet)
 
user234239
I KNEW it!
 
user234239
@Bart how was your day?
 
8:05 AM
Just getting started over here.
But there's coffee
And I resolved a bug
 
user234239
a big coffee?
 
user234239
and a bug in your coffee?
 
Meh, coffee here at the office is rather small. And the bugs are unfortunately in my code
I blame others...but it's still my code
 
user234239
use the wheel of blame?
 
I usually just point to the desk across from me
 
user234239
8:13 AM
lol, throw a rubber chicken
 
user234239
have been looking at programming options
 
user234239
asides from Android... looking at c++, qt, etc..
 
Excellent choices sir
 
user234239
I did some reading, looks easy enough
 
Famous last words
 
user234239
8:22 AM
lol true
 
user234239
what I need is something with great docs, can manipulate photo pixel data, not send me to the funny-farm and approachable people to ask if/hen I have problems
 
Qt docs and examples are generally quite good. In a C++ environment it's really your safest bet.
 
@Bart: should I have a popup for hovering over the disabled edit text?
 
It should be a tooltip I think @LaszloPapp.
Never ran into it myself, so I can't confirm.
 
right
 
8:26 AM
Yeah, it's a tooltip.
The Chrome dev Aura update seems to have broken those on Windows though, good times...
 
it does not work for me neither with Firefox, nor Chromium (Linux).
I guess I need to submit a bugreport on Meta.
 
8:54 AM
@UV-D If you clear your cookies you won't be able to log in to chat anymore
 
Btw, if a user decides to have their Meta account deleted, can they ever create a new one?
 
@Bart yep
in fact, if they log in to meta with the same openid, some of the stuff gets reassociated. I think.
 
Okay. So MSO account deletion does not prevent them from asking for support, should they ever need to... (Well, you could always create a different account of course)
 
Yeah
 
9:11 AM
Meta requires a registered account.
:P
 
That's still possible on meta?
 
You didn't see that.
 
See what?
 
Oh, BTW @Bart , those rejected suggested edits - I totally agree with the rejection. I see where he is coming from, but as you said - edits need to be more substantial if one has any hope to get them approved.
 
@Oded @Bart Any tips for reviewing suggested edits on SO? I can't quite tell what to reject and what not to reject
 
9:22 AM
@Manishearth If the edits are code changes or very technical in nature, skip if you are not a subject matter expert.
Tabbing, typos, salutation removals are all OK, so long as there isn't anything else improvement worthy.
 
@Oded ah.
@Oded Half of those I've been "too minor" ing
Should I?
 
@Manishearth Judgement call. If the formatting is significant enough for readability, I approve. If the changes add nothing -> too minor.
You want to show me a couple for my opinion?
 
@Oded yes, if it's not too much trouble :)
 
Not at all. Fire away
 
Oh wait
 
9:29 AM
@Manishearth I take the view that minor is not necessarily too minor. I.e. if it fixes all there is to fix, that's fine
 
I thought you said "you want me to show you a couple?"
I may ping later then, when I have examples. I don't have any right now
@Bart me too. Just wasn't sure what the established one is (I doubt there is one, at least there wasn't one a year ago but that was before review audits)
I'm amazed this didn't get closed
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@Oded with regards to the edits & suspension, yeah, they were almost all too minor. I think I edited at least 6 or 7 of them to show the difference, should he end up asking about it on Meta.
 
@Oded For example, this
He just changed the tabbing style
 
@Manishearth If you look at the rendered output, the edits make the code look much better. It isn't just the tabbing style, but actually having the code left adjusted. That one I am happy with.
 
Ah
Makes sense
 
9:35 AM
Markdown doesn't always tell the whole story ;)
 
I was looking at the rendered output, but the highlighting made things confusing
 
OK. I can only agree that the diff engine isn't perfect...
 
Also, when something is covering only half the screen, rendered output is not accurate either
I'll start opening the originals in new tabs for such edits then :)
@Oded Could you look at the review history of stackoverflow.com/a/18760143/1198729? That seems to be a robo reviewer
 
The only review is yours ?
 
@Oded I don't think I reviewed it
Someone upvoted it
I flagged the question and downvoted the answer, wasn't sure how to review when the answer is the correct answer to a bad question
So I guessed that the upvoter was a robo reviewer
Oh, I did review it. With a downvote though
nvm
 
10:13 AM
@Bart: seems all reviews were disabled, too.
@Manishearth: do not reject, nor accept domain stuff if you are an off guy in the topic like so many people out there.
they cause harm.
@Manishearth: also, feel free to accept important fixes, and do not be a perfectionist.
@Manishearth: incremental updates are just fine.
 
@LaszloPapp No, they are not. The community has settled on that for a long time. Edits should be as complete as possible. Especially when they are suggested edits.
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And reviews are disabled?
 
@Bart: They are fine.
and I will mark them fine whenever I get the rest of the rep needed.
 
Welcome to being part of the problem then.
 
not improving an edit because it is not meant to be for 5000% perfectionist, it is plain silly, and harmful for the quality of the site.
part of the solution IMO
and not be a useless blocker in improving stuff
 
We'll have to agree to disagree
 
10:18 AM
indeed
 
I agree :-)
 
contribution should be inclusive rather than exclusive.
especially since a post can contain different types of issues which are hard to be fixed by the same person, etc.
 
Contribution should still be within the bounds of what the community agreed on. Not just following personal pet-peeves.
 
I'm hard-pressed to believe that you couldn't have made the exact same edits on the Qt posts that I finally made @LaszloPapp.
 
@Bart: I could not care less.
Manishearth: also, just to give some bad examples, some web guys rejected totally irrelevant edits for their domain clearly without any knowledge, or even reading the tag wiki
 
10:21 AM
 
@Manishearth: do not do such things.
@Manishearth: if you think there is something minor, and the person still does it, especially with good track record, leave it with others to review, i.e. skip it.
@Manishearth: I would also suggest if there are recurring issues bring it up for automation on meta.
 
Yeah ... no
Automation is not easy with such things
 
it is actually very easy with certain things.
especially when the web service only needs to call an existing backend.
 
@Oded you're being a bit harsh. All he wanted was for us to smell his cheese. Migrate to the Cooking SE?
 
@Oded: you are missing an important bit.... people may have different opinion than you or the "community" (whatever that means)
 
10:27 AM
@Bart - might be a cultural thing. I find his cheese offensive ;)
@LaszloPapp I think you are missing the point. When you come into a community, you can't just tell people that what they do and have agreed on doing is wrong and expect a warm welcome.
 
several people agreed, several have not, move on...
I am one of those who have not.
 
@LaszloPapp If you want to discuss the validity of your edits or the resulting suspension, by all means take it to Meta. If this is an issue that needs to be addressed, raise it.
 
it is not my way or no way (you are not welcome as you put).
@Bart: we are not discussing suspension here.
@Bart: you seem to be stuck with an old topic.
perhaps that is causing you issues.
the incremental good edit is regardless of any suspension.
 
@LaszloPapp It doesn't matter. If you disagree with the majority of the community, meta post about it explaining your reasons with hopes of swaying them
If that doesn't work, tough luck
 
@Manishearth: again, it is not like my way or your way (i.e. you are unwelcome)
different reviewers will have different preferences.
 
10:32 AM
Sure. With reviewing there is some personal pref
 
after all, they earned the right for judging whether it is useful for the site, or not.
 
However, there are limits
@LaszloPapp Not totally, no
Sometimes I close stuff on Physics even if I disagree with the closing, because it comes from a policy agreed upon by the community
 
Manishearth: ignorant people cannot decide what is good for us or not.
Manishearth: they are not part of the C++/Qt community.
and among those people there are pretty good agreements, I believe.
at least the ones I talked to.
regardless what others wanna force on us. :)
by the name of "community"
no one has shown any evidence yet though. That is another problem for this claim.
 
Put it up on Meta. That's where the community discusses things. That's where the record of past discussions is.
 
Exactly
If you don't like current policy, or feel that it should be tweaked for a particular case, post on Meta
 
10:40 AM
There is no current policy for this as far as I can tell.
 
Alright, then post on meta to find out
 
so I am not even sure what you are talking about. :)
 
On what? What do you want to do?
 
wow, a few people are objecting to something, and when I ask for evidence, then I am told what do I want to do? What are you objecting against then if it is unclear? :p
I would like to get evidence if possible that incremental updates are not okay which are fixing important issues, especially even if the editor does not find more such issues.
the thing which the "community" has decided against...
if it is a decision, I will try to follow, but I am yet to see such a decision. The edit description does not seem to claim this either.
@Bart: re previous topic, how to put it politely on Meta to get fruitful replies?
@Bart: clearly, newcomers should be aware of that there is banning before getting banned.
i.e. preventing rather than handling.
 
10:57 AM
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Q: revisiting too minor edits

FreshPrinceOfSOI feel that all users should be able to suggest edits for simple issues such as spelling, syntax and formatting. However, they should not be rewarded unless multiple issues (including title, tags, etc.) have been addressed as outlined by the definition. The inequality is that users with 2k+ rep...

 
@LaszloPapp I was only talking about your general statement about "the community"
I did not know the specific case
Unless it's the same case you were talking about a couple of days back
 
@Oded: thank,s -1'd
 
@LaszloPapp Usually that does happen, warning then ban
 
however this is not proving the case I had above.
Manishearth: I did not get any warning.
 
@LaszloPapp You were banned for?
 
10:59 AM
Manishaerth: I went through the Qt log, and put up 10+ s/QT/Qt/
did that before, got accepted usually, except 1-2 web guys who kept rejecting those
 
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