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12:16 AM
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A: Close counter overclutters the links on a question

Jarrod DixonThe "votes still needed" denominator will be removed from the close and delete post menu items on the next build (> rev 2013.3.27.896), as it was causing too many layout issues on sites. You can still get this information in each item's tooltip:

 
Em. Thank you @animuson.
 
 
3 hours later…
3:39 AM
So I edited out a poorly named tag from two questions, and now the user that created the tag is ragequitting because of it. He's ragequitting by creating dummy 500 rep bounties on questions I've answered. WTFWTFWTF.
Flags raised on the bounty questions...
 
Who the hell even approved that tag wiki excerpt. Can you re-assign some of those WTF's to that?
 
It's been well proven that people approving edits to anything have no idea what they're doing.
 
4:00 AM
@ThiefMaster that’s true, @Shog9 sure, by the way Thanks for the concern to both of you
 
4:27 AM
Hey, quick question for any more experienced SE users. What does “-10 User was removed” in the reputation tab of a user profile indicate? Is it that a user who upvoted an answer has had their SE account deleted and the upvote rolled back?
 
Yes Dennis that correct
 
@Lucifer Ah ok, thanks. That's what I thought but the mods over at Philosophy.SE weren't sure.
 
okey :)
 
 
11 hours later…
3:48 PM
@TimStone You around?
 
Hmm?
 
Hey, was asking around on TL, and they told me to ask you
 
Uh oh, what did I do? :P
 
I'm trying to get my hands on an unminified version of the chat JS for chrome extension developement
Think it's possible? :P
 
@TimStone unminified SE js source
or at least ungameified
 
3:49 PM
Oh, I don't have that.
 
@TimStone Know who can (should) I ask for?
 
You can ask balpha or Marc, but I dunno how receptive they'd be. I have a pretty strong familiarity with the minified code, but I haven't tried converting it to something more legible.
 
to write a plugin for chrome
 
And now I actually have to run out to lunch, I'll be back around in about an hour.
 
@TimStone Sure, thanks for your help :)
 
3:52 PM
specifically chat source, I missed that before
 
@jcolebrand Thanks, I've spoken to him in a private room :P
 
@MadaraUchiha to whom?
QUIT DOING THAT
More people can get benefit from public discussion
 
Doing what?
 
why don't people understand that? Especially mods.
Keep everything in public as often as possible
This is the most public room on chat.meta
 
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@jcolebrand All better? :P
 
3:54 PM
@MadaraUchiha You rang?
 
@MadaraUchiha mildly :p
 
@DaveRandom @Shog9 we're here
 
You were told in the TL to ask on meta in the Tavern ;-)
 
@MadaraUchiha Good for you. Have a seat, order a drink.
 
Sitting in anticipation
 
3:54 PM
Sadly the Guinness is out on the tap
 
Wat, how is @Shog9's avatar different in here?
 
But we have a lovely Bud Light bwahahahaha </joke>
 
@DaveRandom I was asking about getting an uminified version of the chat JS, speak to @Shog9
 
@DaveRandom because you can set a different avatar on meta.so
 
Oh right yeh this is meta, duhhhhh
 
3:55 PM
@DaveRandom are you aware of the chat userscript atm?
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Q: SE Chat Modifications -- Keyboard navigation and commands for chat

Tim Stone Screenshot Use /command shortcuts to perform common chat tasks: See message history inline: Easily preview replied-to messages: And much, much more... About Legends tell of a prolific Meta Stack Overflow chatter who despised using their mouse above all things. In an effort to keep t...

And you know it has plugin-capacity, right?
 
Yeh but you have to kind of call them explicitly don't you? What I/we have done is a bit more... magic
 
call them explicitly how?
 
like /dostuff
 
They respond to userevents, as it were, in the chat script, but there's lots of magic there too
@DaveRandom not really
I take it then that you're not using the userscript?
 
@DaveRandom it's triggered by patterns in what you type. How is that different from what you want?
 
3:58 PM
It isn't at all. I guess I haven't read TFM hard enough :-P
Although I must admit I kinda enjoy hacking my way through the guts
Is it possible to have it fire a callback on every message submission and just let me manipulate the message text? That's what I need really, I need to write a proper tokenizer that I doubt would be pluggable
 
4:13 PM
@DaveRandom Grab the userscript & play with it a bit. Whether you can write a plugin, or just learn from what the script is doing, you should be able to make it work.
 
4:35 PM
@Shog9 Agreed, will dig into it tonight
 
 
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9:14 PM
figured it was worth at least asking @NickCraver ;-)
And tbfair that was before shog piped up when I tweeted you
 
I have no clue if Ben or Marc care, will ping them
 
?
 
Read up a bit, basically asking about unminified chat JS source
 
the unminified source isn't much more readable than the minified one
to be honest, anything that requires knowledge of the inner workings is bound to break at some point
 
Cool kids write minified code directly anyway.
 
9:21 PM
People can attest to me being generally helpful in this regard, so I'd rather see someone ask me "Any advice on how I should do X" when writing a user script that works deep in chat's guts
 
Who said the chat code was minified?
 
we've had to much breakage to chat through user scripts already
 
@NickCraver whoever asked for code?
I haven't looked lately tbh
@balpha are you saying we're doing things wrong?
Or just that it took off more than anyone expected?
 
who is "we"?
if you mean the chat modifications user script, I remember having to ping tons of people to update the script because it broke, causing random actions on users' behalfs and unexplicable error messages etc.
 
jQuery is great and does all things, like turning users into unwitting server-attack zombies.
...would be the lesson to take away from that.
 
9:32 PM
@DaveRandom @MadaraUchiha See above conversation ^^^
(tl;dr: chat can and does change without warning, so the less you have to depend on obscured implementation details the better. Do not meddle in the affairs of chat devs, for @balpha is subtle and quick to anger. Etc.)
 
Incidentally, the above is technically a reason to not listen to balpha, but I digress. :P
 
@Shog9 I'm serious about this
> People can attest to me being generally helpful in this regard
I've given people all kinds of tips about integrating user scripts for chat and for core
just ask Benjol or Josh (the Socks kind)
 
attests to that
Oh, right...So @NickCraver...
 
@TimStone - what'd I do?
 
Nothing, nothing. I'm just almost done moving and related activities, so I'll probably be getting back to my various side-projects sometime soon and was wondering when (if any time soon) would be good to bug you about SEDE.
 
9:37 PM
anytime when Nick isn't two weeks after or two weeks before a server move. Which means no earlier than 2029 ;)
 
I guess that leaves more time for Discourse commits then :P
 
probably not in the near future, 2 weeks of infrastructure changes coming up, next week is prepping for purge-less CDN, eradication of DBNet prep followed by read-only intent conversion, active-active haproxy management, SSL testing, and probably 10 other things I'm forgetting atm
I get depressed looking at my todo list just before a weekend, thanks jerk!
 
I like to be helpful. ;)
But mmk.
 
o right we're moving chat to NY next week, and elastic search node setup in Oregon
 
:o
 
9:39 PM
wait what?
even I didn't know that
 
FUN FOR EVERYONE
@balpha - SURPRISE!
was gonna tell you monday....
 
because it's more credible then, hmm?
 
Yay, I can come say hello the the chat servers in my backyard!
 
@balpha - not permanently, but for the oregon re-org
we need to do major maintenance out there, as in shut it down, unplug it all, build it back
right now Geoff cries himself to sleep after running yet another cable between cabinets when we add a server
 
back when you killed our trusty web2 and web6, Oregon lost its spirit. So do what you want :)
 
9:43 PM
The hamster casualties numbered in the thousands, you monster.
 
look man, chat obviously needed 7 web servers and 384gb in its DB server
not my fault you got the CPU up to 3% on the old web boxes and we had to upgrade
 
Did I mention that Nick is the only one who regularly works with the Stack Overflow DB locally, because his dev machine is so ridiculously overprovisioned that it could probably replace a google data center?
This man has no sense of perspective.
 
that computer only has 64gb....I'm working on solutions to that situation
 
Reminds me that I've recently converted to all SSDs, one Crucial M4 128 GB system drive with two OCZ Vertex 4 512 GB program/user data/spare drives...but only a puny 16 GB of RAM.
 
OS is on a 840 pro 512gb here....vertex 3 ate it :(
 
9:52 PM
I junctioned my Program Files and Users folders to the D:\ drive because I hate myself, apparently.
 
I assure you you're better off than here, let's just say this thumb drive I just plugged in is drive V
disk manager takes a looooooooong time to load :-/
 
that explains this tweet
Hey Windows, when I've clicked on a drive to go to from my computer, you no longer need to compute the space on the other 15, thanks
 
hehe yeah
past the actual drives dell monitors add another 4 drive letters a piece, but luckily those can be hidden if empty
 
I'm sad I walked away from this conversation now ...
 
Oh hey, here's a teaser:
what is that, you ask?
that's a screenshot of April 1st
 
9:58 PM
ooo what are we doing on April 1st?
 
I don't know how the picture could make things any clearer
3
 
I suspect he's replacing all the sprites with a single green dot and lots of black
@NickCraver all I'm saying is ... 8GB of RAM for my VM on a 5400 RPM drive ...
@balpha I do enable the hacklers of course, so I lump myself in on fault from time to time
 
@jcolebrand - storage here (on laptop now) is IIRC, a 500GB SSD (M4 - DBs), 512GB SSD (840 - OSes), 256GB (Samsung that shipped with the dell - VMs), and another 240GB I can't remember for scratch/debug space...then spinny drives for backup, media, making videos of our source control when bored, etc.
 
But you're on a desktop right?
I'm on a MBP so ...
 
yep
waiting on this year's generation rMBP for an upgrade here
 
10:04 PM
The endgame for me is two SSDs, one of them replacing the superdrive
 
on a very large, heavy, and annoying 17" XPS....only thing that had 16GB back then
the SSDs in the MBPs are getting faster and faster, problem is they'll peg the SATA 3 interface soon
same for desktops, and we haven't had excellent luck with PCIe SSDs, even an intel 910 has bitten it once on us, after 10TB of writes (they're rated for 14 PB)
 
I don't even wanna think about that much data
ugh
 
@NickCraver That's...scary.
 
for our haproxy logs :) roughly ~100m rows a day
 
@balpha So what you're saying is that you're a Time Lord.
 
10:16 PM
I'm a Time Lord.
Also, just hung up a full size subway map in my bedroom.
 
@Moshe good thing it's not life-sized
@Moshe I can't imagine you're a Whovian
 
I totally pictured this:
 
You seem a little too ... not-into-Britishisms
@NickCraver lmao
 
10:42 PM
@balpha You've not broken any of our stuff yet, afaik. Although the way cv-pls works is by observing the DOM so unless something changes radically we'll probably never need to do anything more than change a few CSS selectors. My most recent experiment works by intercepting ajax requests at the jQ level so again you'd have make some pretty radical changes before it would stop working.
/famous last words
 
11:04 PM
Wouldn't the best solution be a nice chat API? That would also be great for people who wanted to create e.g. a mobile app to access chat in a nicer way
 
@ThiefMaster I could get behind that.
Actually @balpha there was something I have been wondering for a while, since you've gone to the trouble of setting up the websocket driven event push, why don't you post messages with it as well? I'm actually quite happy that you don't because it made extending chat easier for what I've just done but it did strike me as odd, seems like 95% of the work has been done...
 
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A: Does the chat system support sending data via WebSockets?

balpha4. No, and who knows what the future brings. As originally created, chat used only XHRs, for both directions. The websockets standard was still a mess back then, so it wasn't even an option. When that situation stabilized, we added websockets as a third way to receive chat events (next to A...

 
11:20 PM
@TimStone Thanks
 

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