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9:00 AM
Now improved with idiot linkage :)
 
9:19 AM
Hi! :)
what happened with my SO and SU account? :O
 
@Nyuszika7H what do you mean?
 
it's suspended... ok, see you in Jan 18 :(
if anyone wants to talk with me, add me in Skype: nyuszika7h
 
@Nyuszika7H I imagine because you are under 13 years old as per the legal
 
yeah, I've read that mod message
 
@Nyuszika7H ...seriously?
 
9:24 AM
@tombull89 yes
 
O.o I had no idea a) there was an age limit and b) you were that young (if you are, that is)
 
@Nyuszika7H, what caused them to take your age seriously?
 
@Benjol maybe because Benny (he's 12, too) was suspended some days before...
I've got Asperger's syndrome... yeah, I know that it's hard to understand to everyone who don't have the same syndrome...
 
benny was doing quite well too.
 
His profile says he's 13...
 
9:27 AM
@Benjol hmm
 
Did you get a mail from anyone explaining why you were suspended?
 
ouchie...
 
I have suspended this account in accordance with site terms and conditions. Please see this answer.

Marc Gravell Stack Overflow Moderator
yes, this is linked in the message
 
I don't think the 'date of birth' field can be trusted. I know two 40+ year olds that are age '9' on SO to help make their activity anonymous.
 
yeah
 
9:29 AM
@TimPost And a few that were simply trying to see how low that field will accept
 
@Nyuszika7H :( so suspended on the main sites but not meta or chat?
 
@TimPost, that's why I asked the question.
And it does say "No one under the age of 13 may provide any personal information to or on Stack Exchange "
@Nyuszika7H, did you have non-anonymous info on your account?
 
@Benjol nope
@tombull89 suspended on SO, not on MSO, and I can't chat on chat.SE
 
There has to be a big FAT div on the profile edit page saying "MAKE THIS ACCURATE"
 
I hate COPPA :/
 
9:31 AM
COPPA is an epic fail.
 
yes
 
weird, I thought it would be all-or-nothing.
when's you're birthday? (if you are indeed 12)
 
@tombull89 Jan 18
 
@Nyuszika7H Ouch, that's a long time to wait...
 
@Benjol yeah :/ :( but in the case if anyone sees me having 1 rep on MSO (=suspended), feel free to add me to Skype :)
 
9:33 AM
are you really 12 ?
 
@Nyuszika7H Does the link in your profile point you your skype ID?
 
@TimPost nope
 
wtf, suspended?
 
@Pekka yep :/
@Reno yes, I have Asperger's syndrome
 
@Nyuszika7H I can't circumvent the intent of the action taken. However, third party links are not in our control.
 
9:34 AM
Of course, you know that it's dangerous being on StackOverflow - you risk being groomed...
 
@TimPost it's just a pastebin link, results of running jsLint on jQuery 1.5.1
 
groomed for answering programming questions for free. Like the rest of us :)
 
@Benjol hahaha!
@Nyuszika7H that stinks. Hmm. I'd go and protest but it's probably a legal thing
 
@Pekka Yup, the lawyers woke up, and won...
 
hmmmmm
 
9:36 AM
it's because of COPPA :S I was banned from Kongregate, too, because of this
 
It is a legal thing.
 
@TimPost well, the question still is to what extent you have to enforce it
There is a ton of "I'm 8 years old" users on SO
 
What I don't get is the extract that Jeff quotes - why do they need to add the bit about not including personal information if prior to that they've excluded sub 13?
 
And @Nyuszika7H had no personal info on his profile
 
@Pekka I have to enforce it. There is no ambiguity. Under 13, we can't accept you.
I don't LIKE It, however.
@Pekka It's not just that
 
9:37 AM
@TimPost, does that mean that technically he shouldn't be here either (and won't be for much longer?)
 
@TimPost yeah I see
 
Let's say 'pedo bear' arrived at SO
 
@TimPost I'd say "lawyer bear" is the more realistic danger ;)
 
That wont stop whiz kids really, all they have to do is age++;
 
@TimPost He'd get bored real quick...
 
9:38 AM
I think what Reno just said has a lot of merit cough
Some whiz kids might even register a new account sayingthey're 13!
Just sayin'
 
@Pekka, too late for Nyu if he wants to keep his account and hard-earned reps
 
Anyway, gotta run!
 
@TimPost You just can't enter values of birth date "younger" than 13 years anymore.
 
@Benjol I honestly don't know. I'm community elected and I really wish I could at least have a heads up when this kind of stuff happens. I'm looking for the same answers you are at this point.
 
@Benjol nah, he'll earn them again )
Later!
 
9:40 AM
@TimPost Yeah, it's a bummer being non-official spokesman without any preparation!
 
@Pekka Again, you just can't claim being younger than 13 anymore :)
 
@Nyuszika7H I guess you could try getting your parents to mail Jeff directly. Not sure if that would make a difference though...
 
I guess forcing people to lie is an acceptable legal solution? :P
 
I'm going to raise this as soon as I have all of the information. I'm so sorry for my lack of answers.
 
@Benjol Dunno, he got suspended exactly because the team wanted to avoid handling COPPA stuff.
 
9:42 AM
wait... isn't COPPA an US law? and I live in Hungary...
 
@Nyuszika7H change your age on meta :P
 
@Reno you think that would change anything? :/
 
@Nyuszika7H SO is located in US, so that doesn't help
@Reno Benny suddenly turned 13 moments after being banned. He still is suspended.
 
@Nyuszika7H At this point, probably not...
 
@badpssockpuppet How? I'm suspended on SO and I can't edit my profile...
 
9:44 AM
well i hate getting banned, at least you wont be removed from meta
 
@Reno Who says he won't?
Benny is
 
oh :(
 
I guess - from the end of his suspension period - Benny was banned from meta, then 3 mins later from SO...
see you at Jan 18 :( I don't know how longer I'll be there (on MSO chat)...
 
When i grew up there was no SO around :) you dont need SO to program @Nyuszika7H
 
on a Hungarian site, they state that one must be at least 13 years old... but not because of COPPA, that's an US law. though I'm registered on that site since 3 years :P
 
9:49 AM
create new account > earn rep > on birthday, ask for account merge?
 
Protip: if you're going to violate a site's rules, don't state that openly :P
 
@tombull89 thanks, now another thing I can't do :(
 
We should use the word grounded instead of banned :P
 
@Nyuszika7H well it would have been picked up on fairly quickly, same IP, same activity times.
 
well, my IP is dynamic
 
9:56 AM
@Nyuszika7H, I hate to say this, but ... before deciding to do any of these 'underhand' tricks, do ask your parents. At least that way you've got some backup if it does backfire.
 
I've raised the issue, that's all I can do.
For the record, I think the way this was handled sucks.
 
@Benjol hmm I don't know, as I've said I'm Hungarian, and my parents are Hungarian, too... and they don't know much English.
 
@Nyuszika7H, but they know what the internet is, and what a forum is? I don't mean that you need to get them to write emails to Jeff, just that it would be good to get them 'on board' for whatever you plan.
And anther thing - failing all else, fax a birth certificate to Jeff, at least that way they can unblock you on your birthday, and no later.
thinks - if I got banned, I might actually get more work done...
 
I'm confused :/
 
@TimPost Jeff's people skills sometimes... bemuse me. They should let Robert handle this kind of situation.
@TimPost, maybe, just maybe, Jeff assumed that @Nyu/@Benny were actually adults who'd just entered rubbish for d.o.b, and that's why he didn't waste much (any) time on niceties
 
10:02 AM
@Benjol That a bit unlikely, given that Benny literally did sign some of his posts with something along the lines of 'Benny, age 12'
 
@Benjol what?
 
@YiJiang I know :( I was attempting benefit of the doubt.
@Nyuszika7H What, what? (which bit wasn't clear?)
 
@YiJiang I've added you on Skype
@Benjol neither bit was clear :D
 
@Nyuszika7H Eh, I don't use Skype
 
@YiJiang Really? I've found someone with exactly the same name as you... and s/he lives in Singapore, just as you! :D
 
10:05 AM
Uh, I might have an account, but I don't use Skype and I don't have it installed currently
 
147 users on SO with age less than 13... though that info is almost a month old (data.SE)
 
@Nyuszika7H Check to see how many are banned/suspended
That's your birthday right?
 
@Benjol right (This account is temporarily suspended. The suspension period ends on Jan 18 '12 at 8:37)
@Benjol I can only check for 1 rep... 39 users.
 
Rather ironic that in order to ostensibly protect your personal information, SO is unwittingly disclosing it!
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Not all 39 users are suspended... example: stackoverflow.com/users/239776
 
10:11 AM
@Nyuszika7H, last seen in July '10, not really worth the effort
and 1 rep is not really useful, as 'grounding' appears to be something new
 
and Data.SE's info is almost a month old
 
Ether is 10...
 
@Benjol and member for 2 years, 3 months
 
@Benjol > I'm currently a senior platform developer doing "enterprisey" Perl for a major mobile content provider. Not too shabby for a tortoiseshell tabby!
 
@Benjol And rides motorbikes...
 
10:14 AM
Ahem...
user image
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Sums up the problem nicely
 
@YiJiang until they use Mumble that is!
@Nyuszika7H I think they're only targeting actually active enough users
 
@badpssockpuppet So... Ether is not active?
 
@Nyuszika7H Ether is not actually under 13. Or hiding very well.
 
This graph is like the new SO Careers logo! :D
 
@Nyuszika7H What's the graph about?
 
10:22 AM
@LoïcWolff I don't know
is sad ):
I was aware of that when I've seen Benny's question :(
 
If I want to count the number of words in all files in a certain subdirectory, a command like this should work, right?
 
out for breakfast, then, I'll come back there... if I can.
 
cat doc/en/*/* | wc
 
flush | wc
 
10:44 AM
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Q: How can I select links that lead to urls ending with "/foo-bar"?

badpI want to style some tags on SE with custom colors based on their tag, using CSS only. This shouldn't be too hard, for: <a href="/questions/tagged/foo-bar" class="post-tag" title="" rel="tag">foo-bar</a> ...should be easily matchable with a selector such as: a.post-tag[href$=/foo...

 
@badpssockpuppet The attribute end with selector?
 
Yeah, except the slash gets in the way
 
You can escape it, can't you?
 
Yeah, and it doesn't work.
/ escaped is \5c right?
 
Okay, let me play around with it
 
10:46 AM
@badp, don't you need quotes around the url search string?
 
hmm
 
Oh well brb lunch
 
@badpssockpuppet Have you tried escaping the hyphen? (\-)
 
Dammit, display driver crashed
@Benjol It's optional
Yeah, but the quotes work. Dammit, BC got it before me
 
@YiJiang ok, didn't know that. It might possibly help in this case, though?
 
10:50 AM
@badpssockpuppet or \\
 
@Benjol It does, BoltClock answered it
 
Hehe, I'm a jquery expert, I just don't know it!
 
sooo long time :( almost a year
 
@Benjol Eh, that's CSS3 selector
 
10:54 AM
@YiJiang yeah well, anyway :)
 
Google translate recursion... o_o
 
I have to go now... I'll come back in 1 hour... if I can.
 
user image
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Apparently the Russians have their own Chuck Norris jokes
 
@Nyuszika7H Bye, see you later or... much later :(
 
Okay, GTranslate is fscked up right now... it's doing that for every site
raises eyebrows How in the world did Google Translate get my Chinese name correct? That is not possible, no... puts on tin foil hat No way... Google know where I live! runs
 
11:36 AM
@YiJiang erhm, ironically I could do with some jquery selector help :)
 
@Benjol Go ahead
 
Given <ul><li><input type="radio"/><span/></li>.... </ul>how can I get all the spans for the inputs which aren't checked?
What I'm not sure about is how to use something in a selector to define a parent, whilst not actually selecting the thing (the input in this case)
 
input:radio:not(:checked) + span?
 
the thing is, the span is adjacent, not inside the input... does that make a difference?
 
+ is the adjacent sibling selector, whaddya think? ;)
 
11:40 AM
ahaha
ok, trying that now :)
that was the missing link
 
Or if that doesn't work, ~ is the general sibling selector
 
I'll play with that a bit, and jsfiddle it if I can't get it working
@YiJiang, also, what's the jquery equivalent of alert? I mean, when you're testing a selector to see what it selects, what do you stick at the end to find out what you've got?
 
.length to check if it selected anything, or just console.log the resultant object. If you have FireQuery installed this will be very simple
 
@YiJiang works, thank you muchly: jsfiddle.net/mTW4w
not sure I like the effect, visually speaking...
 
Uh, why are you doing this anyway?
Anyway, make the span or whatever display: block, then use slideDown and up
 
11:54 AM
@YiJiang, TomWij did a version of my comments thingy with > 6 comments, in which case there's not enough room to display them all. His version allows you to show/hide. I thought it would be better to at least show the contents for the currently selected comment...
that said, it's horribly ugly
undo
 
Well, did you try my suggestion there?
 
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Q: How can I delete my post on Stack Overflow?

I cannot delete my own post on Stack Overflow. When I try, I get the following error message: Sorry, this question cannot be deleted: too many existing answers, or upvoted/accepted answers (click on this box to dismiss).

 
@YiJiang, yup, it was ugly too, sorry...
 
the guy doesn't even have a name
 
less ugly, but still ugly...
 
11:57 AM
@LoïcWolff Migrated post, no account on MSO I guess?
 
Very old too
 
@YiJiang Usually, when that happens, the name is greyed and unclickable
 
His account was deleted after a while (he didn't create an account on MSO, so after a while the association was deleted I guess)
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Q: Please merge [as400] and [iseries] into [ibm-i] on SO

Software MonkeyIBM's marketing department went seriously astray with renaming the platform every other week. Can we merge these tags into ibm-i and alias the three together (since IBM-i is the current brand name, while AS/400 is the brand most widely used and recognized by programmers for this platform) on S...

Why does this question keep getting poked by community?
 
@YiJiang cause it's not [status-whatever], I think
 
@LoïcWolff Well, I know why it isn't being poked (no upvoted answer) but I'm a little surprised that nothing has been done (or maybe something has, I dunno)
 
12:14 PM
 
Hi!
@YiJiang Yi Jiang -> 易其骯 -> Yi its dirty :D
 
@Nyuszika7H That is not how its suppose to go >_<
易其骯 could mean 'Yi is very dirty' by the way
 
If I use simplified Chinese: Yi Jiang -> 易其肮 -> Changes of the dirty
 
The two are exactly the same, dunno why GTranslate would think otherwise
 
Wow, closed and locked in 11 minutes...
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Q: Why can't you roll out new features the way everybody else does?

sbiSo the new combined user/rep display got everybody confused, with the question asking to get back the old envelope amassing >100rep just in the first eight hours. This is but one side of a problem that has many facets. There's been numerous questions by confused users asking about new features wh...

I missed that one.
 
12:21 PM
302
Q: Eeeek! What happened to my envelope?

Marti Update: StackExchange™ SuperCollider MicroDashboard™ now available! See picture below. The envelope is gone from next to my name!   How am I supposed to check where those recent points came from? I don't remember the link to that page! Edit: just to summarize the ways that the reputati...

Oh my, now it has 302 upvotes!
 
@Nyuszika7H And the user asking has a reputation of 666. I think that's a sign
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Q: My question has been migrated and I need help

LevidadHello, I asked a question in Stack Overflow and it has been migrated to programmers.stackexchange. I pretty much think my question fits well right here in stack overflow, but that's for another discussion. When I tryed to comment the answer I had just received for my question, I found out I cou...

 
I'm curious, is the 'My question was migrated but I don't have an account on the site it was migrated to' question frequent enough for a post?
 
What the fuck?
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A: Five accounts seem to be lost, gone. Where have they disappeared?

Jeff Atwoodhttp://stackoverflow.com/legal Subject to the terms and conditions of this Agreement, Stack Exchange may offer to provide the Services, as described more fully on the Network, and which are selected by Subscriber, solely for Subscriber’s own use, and not for the use or benefit of any third pa...

 
@Pekka So you haven't seen that?
 
12:33 PM
@Pekka We were talking about this earlier
 
No advance notice, and not even a "sorry, but we have to do this for legal reasons"
 
blame COPPA!
 
@YiJiang yeah I saw
 
@Nyuszika7H that's not even my point. It's the way Jeff puts stuff like this
It's as if he doesn't give a shit about his users really
 
12:34 PM
@Pekka I know.
 
I hate PR people, it's actually one of the professions I hate most. But I'm beginning to think SO needs to hire some
 
Subscriber is at least 13 years of age Subscriber? What?! I didn't subscribe to SO's RSS feed :P
 
I really respect and admire Jeff, but .....
 
@YiJiang Cool
I will look at it soon
 
@YiJiang what's new? I see now
 
12:36 PM
@YiJiang, you beat me on that answer... but to answer your question, it's the first time I've seen one like that. But you may be right
 
@Nyuszika7H Mobile version - I tried to create something nice for small screen devices
Resize your browser window to see the effect
 
@YiJiang I have a tip for the eval section:
 
@Benjol What do you mean 'one like that'?
 
function notifyUser(message) {
    eval('alert("' + message + '");');
}
 
@YiJiang first time I've seen someone asking a question about their question being migrated (but you may be right about putting it in the FAQ).
 
12:38 PM
> notifyUser('"); console.warn("eval is EVIL!');
/!\ eval is EVIL!
 
@Benjol That question you've answered about low rep users commenting, I think its a dupe
 
@YiJiang An example like this would be nice.
 
@YiJiang quite possibly. I'm not much of a dupe hunter I'm afraid
 
@Benjol Fairly sure it has been asked a couple of times before, what about everyone else
@Nyuszika7H Eh? I don't see how that might be an useful example
 
@Pekka As I said earlier, that's the kind of thing they should let Robert handle (or Rebecca or Dori, come to think of it)
 
12:40 PM
@YiJiang without eval, this is not possible. I think this shows that eval is evil
 
@Benjol yeah
 
The Children's Online Privacy Protection Act of 1998 (COPPA) is a United States federal law, located at (). The act, effective April 21, 2000, applies to the online collection of personal information by persons or entities under U.S. jurisdiction from children under 13 years of age. It details what a website operator must include in a privacy policy, when and how to seek verifiable consent from a parent or guardian, and what responsibilities an operator has to protect children's privacy and safety online including restrictions on the marketing to those under 13. While children under 13 ...
 
located at () <-- onebox bug
Hmm, found a bug on SO. After I get the Suspended users cannot vote error, the vote counter resets to 0 until the next refresh.
 
@Benjol The first, exact dupe I think
 
12:46 PM
@YiJiang, ok, you go first :)
 
@Nyuszika7H Working in a school this isn't the first time I've come up on COPPA (students on facebook, that sort of thing). Depending how with-it your parents are you could get them to e-mail the SO team to sort things out for you.
 
@tombull89 I've already said that they don't know much English :/
 
@Nyuszika7H oops, sorry. Missed that.
I wish you all the best in getting this sorted out.
 
@tombull89 Is there a sort of a form letter which they can sign or something?
 
@Nyuszika7H It may be too optimistic, but, ask the SO team if parental approval would be enough. explain it to your parent, write it yourself, and ask them to sign it
 
12:57 PM
sigh
 
"While children under 13 can legally give out personal information with their parents' permission, many websites altogether disallow underage children from using their services due to the amount of paperwork involved"
...plausible.
the language barrier will make things tricky.
 
And I didn't even gave out any personal information...
 
@Nyuszika7H Isn't your email a form of personal information?
 
"In addition, an operator must notify a parent that it wishes to collect personal information from the child; that the parent's consent is required for the collection, use and disclosure of the information; and how the parent can provide consent"
 
1:00 PM
@YiJiang Is was it visible on my profile?!
 
@YiJiang under COPPA it is
 
Mods can still see it...[email]
 
Eh, no, but SO isn't allowed to collect it, public or not
 
It's a weird one, as unlike facebook, you're not publishing personal information on SE/SO.
 
COPPA is very confusing. Why couldn't I give out my own e-mail? It's not like a telephone number or an address... at least not in the real world, I think.
 
1:03 PM
@Nyuszika7H You seem to be pushing back on suggestions that your parents should get involved... or am I interpreting too much?
 
@YiJiang Don't know. Most parents aren't fussed about letting their kids on facebook, so we just educate them of the dangers and do our best to block facebook and proxy sites.
 
@Benjol My parents don't know much English and AFAIK they don't even know about this COPPA thingy... since we live in Hungary.
 
@Nyuszika7H, if they're relatively internet savvy, it shouldn't be that hard to explain to them. Reassure me, they do at least have some idea of what you're doing on the computer all day? :)
woops, I'm asking a minor personal questions here, are they gonna come and arrest me?
 
ask SO to e-mail you what they [SO] need to know (in plain english) then translate it into hungarian for them? Then translate their response back into english, send it to SO...and hope?
 
@Benjol yes, they have some idea... I'm programming, playing games and chatting... but I think that's all.
 
1:09 PM
Threaten to sue SO for revealing your birthday :)
 
lol
 
I think SO have got better things to spend their venture capital on than lawsuites and Federal Trade Commission rulings...
 
@tombull89 VC?
 
@Nyuszika7H venture capital
 
SO is become some sorta soap opera :P
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1:10 PM
venture capital - the money they were given for the startup
 
in exchange for partial ownership of the startup
 
is spinning the Wheel of Blame
It's Jeff's fault! :P
 
It's The 'Chern! Run, @Nyuszika7H, run!
 
@LoïcWolff what?
 
@Nyuszika7H, Rebecca just turned up, stick on your false mustache :)
 
1:16 PM
runs
 
huerm,,mrm, morning @RebeccaChernoff, nice day eh? :)
 
whistles nothing to see here.
 
I hear there was an earthquake in Japan.. fascinating don't you think?
 
The is a warning issued just after an earthquake in Japan is detected. The warnings are issued mainly by the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA), and they issue tips on how to react to the warnings. Introduction JMA has two Earthquake Early Warning schemes. One is for advanced users, and the other is for the general public. If strong tremors are expected, an Earthquake Early Warning for the general public is provided via TV and radio broadcasts. The Earthquake Early Warning is set up to enable people to mitigate damage from an earthquake: people may protect themselves at home, at the of...
Quick, change all avatars to unicornatars and hide names!
 
Pity the rescue workers and others searching for survivors. When I see photos like these, I just think "where do you start?"
 
1:38 PM
@HoLyVieR That's not your unicorn! Unicornify gives you a different one!
 
@Nyuszika7H ya, I know I entered random character to get a custom one :p
 
I hate floats
 
@ircmaxell Meh, most of the time when people say they they just don't understand it
 
Oh, I understand it. I just can't see a clean way around my problem short of using arbitrary precision math...
 
I missed something? Nickelodeon suddenly turned to 16:9. Though the logo is stretched, so I guess only the program is 16:9.
 
1:41 PM
I'm implementing a base-converter to convert from and to arbitrary bases...
 
@ircmaxell Well? Don't keep me waiting!
 
        for ($i = 0; $i < $length; $i++) {
            $seed += ($multiplier * (isset($fromSeed[$string[$i]]) ? $fromSeed[$string[$i]] : 0));
            $multiplier *= $fromBase;
            while ($seed > $toBase) {
                $result = $toSeed[$seed % $toBase] . $result;
                $seed = floor($seed / $toBase);
                $multiplier /= $toBase;
            }
        }
$multiplier starts at 1, and $seed starts at 0
 
@ircmaxell wait, there is a *= in PHP? why not in JS?
 
so basically, I'm walking from least significant bit to most significant bit
So each time I add in the value from the current bit, I need to adjust it by a multiplier
 
@Nyuszika7H Sure there is; there's one in JavaScript too. There's also /= and %=
 
1:43 PM
But since I may reduce the value of $seed by division, I'd need to divide the multiplier by the $toBase figure as well
Now, floats are introducing error on each iteration
the easy way around that would be to build the integer first, and then convert it. But I need to handle big strings in here (256 characters +, so that would be a number with max of 2 ^ 8 ^ 256)...
 
@YiJiang Not working for me.
> 1 *= 2
ReferenceError: Invalid left-hand side in assignment
 
There's no way in hell I could store that in an int or even an arbitrary precision number...
@Nyuszika7H: you can't assign to a literal. Try using a variable on the left side
 
>>> var a = 12; a *= 3; a;
36
>>> var a = 12; a /= 3; a;
4
>>> var a = 12; a %= 7; a;
5
 
@ircmaxell oh, right
 
I'm really starting to get lost as to how I can implement this in an arbitrary manner while still maintaining reversibility and correctness
 
1:51 PM
Looks like a qn for SO to me. In any case I can't help... sorry...
 
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Since I know floor isn't distributive... floor($a + $b) !== floor($a) + floor($b)
 
@ircmaxell, either that or you break out your copy of the Art of Programming :)
 
lol
 

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