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7:28 AM
Morning all!
 
Mornin'
 
hi
 
Hope you've had better luck with your commute today
 
Nope train is 7 minutes late, whoch means ill be having a short lunch.
 
hey, @badp, if you got a sec, could you re-run my IE8 test with page 3 instead of page 2?

An IE8 Test

If you have IE8, please run a quick test
 
7:35 AM
Sure
 
Meh, only one of my messages got through.
Anyway how are you both?
 
You guys getting up is a sign I should probably be asleep right now
 
Yup :)
 
Morning
 
7:59 AM
Ok DEVENV.EXE with ReSharper 5.1.1 installed, 1.8GB working set, without, 180MB
Bye bye, think this is the final nail in the coffin
 
8:30 AM
try refactor pro / code rush instead?
 
Gooood morning
 
8:44 AM
@Ikke morning :D
 
9:00 AM
@Sekhat Yeah, I have licenses for that as well, I keep switching back and forth, but this was the final straw. I often need to have multiple Visual Studio environments up and running, and close to 2GB used per instance is just not usable
Of course, today DevExpress can't verify my license, seems their server is giving me error messages, so I had to install the Trial version, but it'll do, better than ReSharper right now anyway
 
9:15 AM
What's wrong with this link?
http://api.gaming.stackexchange.com/1.0/users/id/23/reputation
I always fail at constructing those links.
 
oh, right :D
 
seems to be up and down a lot today...
#stackoverflow seems hugely sluggish today, and I've received two "Offline" notices. Is everyone else seeing the same thing?
@jonskeet - I bet this is #redis related, turning it off for SO. Let us know if the problem persists.
@kevinmontrose Wow! @jonskeet can turn off caching mechanisms by pure will power. ;-) #jonskeetfacts
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Now is the time to answer questions on SO
 
9:31 AM
'Scuse my ignorance, but what's Redis for?
 
caching
 
jquery.com also seems unusually slow
is there a way in Javascript to inspect what "objects" are there in the global namespace?
I'm looking for the JS equivalent of Python's dir() :/
 
for (var s in window) console.log(s)
 
for(var o in window) console.log(o)
d'oh!
 
that's quite a busy namespace. :)
 
9:39 AM
that'll drown you in inbuilt functions too, of course. And won't expose anything nicely scoped inside a function...
 
Actually I was looking for the inbuilt functions mainly
I guess I can inspect functions with dir()?
at least, `dir($)`seems to work with Chrome's inspector.
 
#redis is back on for #stackoverflow. Let me know if you see anything... weird.
 
so, codinghorror spolsky kevinmontrose balpha... who am I missing?
 
Missing for what?
 
wonders if there is window.codinghorror, window.spolsky, window.kevinmontrose, ... or was there a subject change in there somewhere?
 
9:54 AM
Yeah, I think I suffer from attenction defic OH LOOK AN UNICORN
 
SQUIRREL!
 
Youtube needs a #t=[x]m[x]s-[x]m[x]s so you can just link people to the relevant bit :)
 
youtube has that
and Marc used it
 
including the ability to say where to stop playing?
 
ahh
nope, sorry
you may laugh at me now
 
10:05 AM
figured :)
 
10:23 AM
talking of Youtube, here is something to amuse you (even better if you know Czech or Polish):
 
so XMLHttpRequest doesn't like fetching data from api.gaming.stackexchange.com if the browser is open on gaming.stackexchange.com
 
10:47 AM
The disapproving silence seems to suggest the obviousness of the above statement...
 
11:04 AM
that or we're out to lunch :)
 
or we're still trying to understand Czech/Polish songs...
 
wds
It is confusing cause the rules are different for cookies
 
or can be different, depending on the path/domain set for the cookie.
 
wds
Okay, I don't know them all that well. I figured gaming.s.c always sees all cookies from api.gaming.s.c
 
okay, so is there another method that isn't as safety paranoid? :)
Alright alright this is going into StackOverflow/StackApi territory.
 
11:20 AM
@badp the SE API supports JSONP
http://api.gaming.stackexchange.com/1.0/users/23/reputation?jsonp=alert
 
Thanks for the food for thought. Now I'll get some food for the body.
 
 
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12:59 PM
@wds (and don't get me even started on the rules for wookies! Man, that's a blatant case of racism if ever I saw one)
 
wds
@Piskvor Positive discrimination though... Let the wookie win
I think I found a hibernate bug
aaah
I think I figured it out, just gonna have to move the owning side of a ManyToMany
 
wds
1:29 PM
grmbl, an entire workday worth in figuring out there's a bug in ManyToMany processing
 
1:48 PM
side-question, off the top of your head, can anyone here remember what the attribute name is that I can apply to a user-control property in .NET to avoid it being persisted? ie. not added to the .designer.cs file?
 
2s, I've got that
somewhere...
something like this [DesignerSerializationVisibility(DesignerSerializationVisibility.Hidden)]
 
Yep, that's it, thanks
 
→ 51 messages moved to Chat feedback
 
2:36 PM
StackExchange Moderation 101
 
2:50 PM
@badp that picture is obscene, it depicts a guy waiting at reception only to find the fiery headed receptionist giving oral pleasure to someone else
 
by, um, licking legs?
I mean, okay, if it rocks your boat who am I to comment.
 
wds
lol
 
Any MVC+NHibernate peoples here? I could use some guidance :O
 
3:24 PM
@badp Let's submit that to meta as an optional link on the close messages. Actually, I should bookmark it for the next, why was my question closed? meta post.
 
 
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5:01 PM
Has Joel actually ever come in here?
 
5:11 PM
Aug 18 at 13:27, by Joel Spolsky
No Agenda podcast = 15 minutes of talking about people who sent in money, followed by, well, I don't know what it's followed by, I never get that far
 
well, at leasts he's been in here once
 
not quite -- he's been busier in the moderator room, which you don't see
unless you do, in which case I have to fix a security hole ;)
 
I don't, but well, what I don't see doesn't exist right? :P
 
Grr.. Now I want to be a moderator..
I've wanted to be a mod for awhile now..
 
5:15 PM
There are so many sites starting now
Becoming a mod is "easier" than ever!
 
but they aren't mods in here..
 
They still get access to room 1.
 
the moderator room here is for all SE mods
so prove yourself worthy, @Chacha102 :)
 
How?
 
Be good at the nondescript features a good mod needs!
 
5:18 PM
Maybe a "Tavern Owner" Area 51 proposal?
you'd be da man!
 
5:31 PM
@balpha He's been in the moderator room?
@Chacha102 Moderator for SU perhaps?
 
@Diago yep -- click badp's link
 
This Tavern is a ripoff!!!! No alcohol. (pout)
Damn I am beginning to hate this netbook
@balpha I think I want to be a fly on the wall if he and Jeff is in there at the same time.. Could be interesting
 
5:45 PM
@Diago No, it's over there. Help yourself.
@Diago Why?
 
@PopularDemand Ahhh... Finally..... Everyone keeps teasing me today
@PopularDemand Why netbook or fly on the wall?
 
@Diago Netbook. (C'mon, mouseover feature!)
 
I'm developping something a different approach to do AJAX with PHP and I wanted to havea bit of feedback before making any kind of release
Here's a demo page :
It's all in french, but there isn't much text
 
@PopularDemand The keyboard and touchpad is too close together. So it keeps closing the tab for chat whenever I try and type
And it takes me 20 minutes to get back since the screen is so small
I can't wait for my new machine. Really Really can't. This netbook is going to the recycle bin
 
@Diago Understood.
:159430 So how's the weather there?
 
5:52 PM
And facepalm!
Wrong Damn Room
@PopularDemand Sunny and warm actually? How's it there?
 
@Diago The same. Of course, I'm here at work doing labor on Labor Day, so it doesn't matter to me.
(Trying to bank hours for a possible vacation coming up... we'll see.)
 
I am so jealous
Everyone I know in the US is offline due to the damn holiday
 
@Diago ... of me being at work?
Something to amuse you for five minutes on the off chance you haven't already seen it, then: Chacha made it official!
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Q: Naming the Tavern

Chacha102I think Popular Demand put it best: It's a well-known fact that all the best taverns follow a specific naming convention. "The Brass Lantern," "The Prancing Pony," "The Drunken Clam," "The Mended Drum,"... they're all "The [Descriptor] [Noun]." Unfortunately, the tavern we're in isn't so bles...

 
@PopularDemand No, I am sad about that. Jealous of the holiday
 
@PopularDemand It's linked in the room description
 
5:55 PM
@Diago Ah. Very good.
 
@Diago Hope it's going to be a nice desktop
 
@Diago do you follow the room description?
 
@PopularDemand At times. Happy hour however falls into my sleeping time
 
@Diago It's not like they have drink specials anyways. Happy hour in name only.
 
@badp My new toy:
15" i7 goodness. In a solid casing.
@PopularDemand Ah. So I don't miss much. Althought my drinking habit seems to be somehow linked to the chat system being live
 
5:59 PM
@Diago Hardly a netbook.
 
@PopularDemand But it will look nice next to the 13" MacBook I already own which is going to be the new netbook
That is replacing my desktop.
So I won't own any more non Apple machines.
 
@PopularDemand You really went through that naming thread and downvoted every post that didn't follow the particular convention you came up with?
 
@MichaelMrozek Only the two that were there at the time.
 
@PopularDemand BTW: I already voted
 
I'm tired of laptops and their overheating problems :/
 
6:03 PM
Can we make an option that you're notified about your name being mentioned w/o the @?
 
@Chacha102 But then how will we talk about people behind their backs in plain sight?
 
I guess that would mean a lot more parsing..
 
Also it just occurred to me that polls are killing my chances at ever earning Electorate... unless CW posts are exempt from that tally, I don't remember.
 
@badp I have never had a notebook overheat. Desktops however. Different story
 
@Diago Really? I've never heard of an overheating desktop.
 
6:05 PM
@PopularDemand I have had a few. 2 x Quads and 1 x GPU in under 3 weeks
 
It could be my poor laptop choice, but all of my two laptops both suffered of gfx-related overheating.
I'm keeping this one closed, upside down with an external keyboard and monitor so it doesn't shut off in the middle of anything <.<
 
@badp Mine does get hot, but not unbearably, overheating hot.
 
This laptop, since day 1, has idled at 70 °C
happily approaching 100°C under load
It could be me, but I am tired of laptops and was planning to go desktop + netbook.
Just exactly the opposite of what you're doing :D
 
I have been happy with my MacBook. Which is why I decided to make the move
After 3 years I still get 4 hours on the original battery
It just doesn't want to die
Nor do I want it to.
 
I could never own a MacBook. I'd forget to put the screen protection thing on day two.
"holy shit it's this late already close close close close close close ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun"
 
6:12 PM
What screen protection?
 
@badp Huh?
 
That dark grey plastic-y sheet you should put between keyboard and monitor when you close the laptop.
 
@Diago That is impressive. How is it for development?
 
My macbook wakes up from sleep in 2 seconds. And sleeps in 1
@PopularDemand Awesome, I get about 3 hours with Parallels running.
@badp I have never used it. I took off day one and never needed it
 
Oh, cool. All local macbook owners use it so I figured it must had something to do with their displays.
 
6:14 PM
@PopularDemand Did a tech ed video for windows mobile using the VM one year, it performed better then the actual windows machine next to it.
 
Maybe I should convert, the next time I need a machine (which shouldn't be soon, as my ThinkPad is only about a year old and is still great).
 
@PopularDemand and then put Ubuntu on it :D
 
@badp Some people have strange ways.
@PopularDemand Be 100% sure you want to switch. It was a difficult choice, but I was happy with the results, but it's not for everyone
 
Hm, I just realized I've never lived in a place that's not near an Apple store, pretty much ever since they invented Apple stores.
 
(although after I've seen Ubuntu in action on a macbook I've realized it's not really the greatest choice; there just are not enough buttons there)
 
6:16 PM
@badp Apples run best with MacOSX. I have proven this a few times at work. And they rock at VM's if your willing to work with them.
 
It'd be horrible if that wasn't the case @Diago
 
True. However I am careful suggesting Mac's to people, unless they are open to learning new. It took me 3 months to move over fully, and I haven't regretted the move. But I know of people who did. Like my wife :P
 
How many downvotes is it before a question is kept off the front page?
 
@MichaelMrozek 5 normally, 9 on Meta, I think.
 
6:21 PM
Thanks
 
4 on SO/SE/Trilogy 8 on Meta
 
I asked Grace Note that a few days ago, gotta find it.
 
Well now I'm confused :)
 
@MichaelMrozek We have succeeded!
 
Jeff posted it in a comment in this last week on a question on MSO
 
6:22 PM
@Diago Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw that comment, but I no longer remember what it said or where it was
 
@Diago Good enough for me.
 
Oh, you mean Jeff posted that it's 4/8?
 
You mean you have to screw up twice as badly to get shunned by meta?
 
@Chacha102 Yeah
@MichaelMrozek Yeah
 
@Chacha102 It's much easier to "screw up" on meta :)
 
6:23 PM
@PopularDemand Cool!
 
@Diago Great. Thanks
 
@Chacha102 More like "we're giving you some extra padding because Meta will attack you twice as hard."
 
Can you search comments?
 
@Diago No :(. You can on Google sort of, I was doing that yesterday, but it's obviously a bit imprecise
 
@MichaelMrozek Darn. Sorry. I really wanted to give you the MSO question where Jeff mentions it. Can't find it now
 
6:30 PM
@Diago Well, I'm going to repeat it on meta.unix, and blame you if it turns out to be wrong, so it's a win for me either way
 
Yeah. Blame the SU mod that's not even registered on the site
 
@MichaelMrozek That's the spirit!
 
@Diago Well, clearly you should fix that. unix.SE -- it's like SU but better
I'm tempted to put that in the FAQ
 
@MichaelMrozek Found it
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A: SE 2.0's meta's front page should not hide questions with very low score

Jeff AtwoodThe threshold is higher on meta, I think it's -8 or so compared to -4 on the parent site. Are you recommending that as the standard for all metas? I think I could support that. edit: setting this to a global value of -8 for all metas.

 
@Diago Awesome, thanks. I take back the SU insults
 
6:33 PM
@MichaelMrozek Actually I am on Ubuntu already because of this stupid netbook
And I am too lazy to load Windows 7 back on
 
@Diago ... can I have it?
And unrelatedly, learning to use MS Visio from scratch is going to be harder than I thought.
 
@PopularDemand Sure. Are you covering the shipping costs?
(Although I would not wish this netbook on my worse enemy. So I am not sure about someone I remotely like)
 
@Diago I can't tell if you're serious or merely playing along.
 
@PopularDemand Based on my last comment, I was actually being semi serious. But honestly, it would be cheaper for you to by one locally.
 
Woo hoo, I'm "remotely liked"! New high score!
 
6:37 PM
Lolz
I was thinking saying liked might be pushing it :P
 
I'm just a little sad that I don't have 7 anymore. But as I keep telling people, I've never had any trouble with Vista.
 
When Jeff was giving away his dell, I worked out that shipping costs was the value of a new entry level netbook here.
@PopularDemand Why did you give up Windows 7?
The prize for the most laziest SO user goes too
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Q: Make se.com an alias for stackexchange.com

NavariumI think it would be good to have se.com as a shortcut for Stack Exchange sites. For example: cooking.se.com english.se.com math.se.com

More specifically
> @David Hedlund no I don't own the domain, I just think that stackexchange it's kinda long – Navarium
 
@Diago My girlfriend's laptop got virused... I think I got it clean, but I'm never really comfortable with a computer after an infection. (Pro tip: never loan your computer to people who are trustworthy but not tech-savvy.)
So I formatted the laptop and clean-installed my copy of 7 that I never got around to putting on my own machine.
So it's not as though I had it on my computer and downgraded to Vista, if that's the impression I gave.
Anyways, the point is, even though I don't feel like I need 7, I'm slightly saddened to not have the option anymore.
 
What are you using, @PopularDemand?
 
@PopularDemand Actually mail me. Let's discuss this offline
 
6:43 PM
@badp Factory-installed Vista.
 
Vista wasn't quite as bad as people said. Seven is better however imho.
 
Lolz. I have the Windows 7 Phone Emulator installed for Dev. So Windows 7 Updates decide that I need the Zune software installed
Hillarious
 
@Diago O.O
 
@badp I've already asked this in the chat once but it wasn't really helpful because people kept discussing the pros and cons by referring to features of 7 that I've never seen or used.
 
Meet Win-Up, Win-Down, Win-Left, Win-Right
For me it is enough
I don't care about Aero or Flip3D etc., I've been using Seven without compositing for a while now
(Turned it on yesterday without noticing performance differences however. Will turn back off when I resume commuting)
 
6:45 PM
@badp For a second there, I thought you said "without composting."
 
Anyway, what killer feature did you expect? A package manager, perhaps? :)
 
@PopularDemand Is your profile email one you actually check?
 
@Diago Yes, it's a spambox, but I get a useful restaurant coupon occasionally.
@Diago Are you sure about that? I feel like it is a fairly valuable thing.
 
@PopularDemand It's never going to get used
Yes, No
@badp We did get a room :)
 
@Diago If that was a kick, I'll have to make a feature request about it :)
 
6:52 PM
@badp Gah , you're still here?
 
@PopularDemand Cool. Sent me an email from a working addy and I'll organise one tomorrow (GMT+2). It will be a retail one
@badp Were you typing when I kicked you?
 
@Diago Will double-check; thanks in advance.
 
@Diago can't quite recall
 
I'm going to make a room called the Trash Bin. That way we can migrate unwanted questions into it..
For instance, I could migrate all those (removed) messages into it..
&rarr; 1 message moved to The Trash Bin
 
@Chacha102 This is unacceptable.
 
6:56 PM
I meant messages, but the edit timer ran out
 
If you don't rename it to "The recycling center" or some other suitable environmentally-friendly thing immediately, I will be forced to protest with the most strongly worded language.
 
I renamed it to:

The Trash Heap

Where unwanted messages are migrated to.
 
How often does garbage collection run?
 
Twice a Day
 
[50 other obvious Java jokes here]
Aaah, glad I got those out of my system.
 
6:58 PM
Now I have someplace to migrate all of Popular's messages to
 
@Chacha102 I knew it!
Ugh, why didn't I take that UML class in college that everyone said was an easy A?
 
UML?
 
@PopularDemand No problem. Just don't make me hound you.
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7:16 PM
Somebody highlight me please
 
@MichaelMrozek Highlighted!
 
Thanks :)
 
@MichaelMrozek Need some more
@MichaelMrozek Always happy to oblige
 
@MichaelMrozek No problem... but you owe me big for that.
Big.
 
@MichaelMrozek oh dear, world of mention hurt now...
@MichaelMrozek and replies. Except, the other way around
 
7:19 PM
@MichaelMrozek See you asked for it.
@MichaelMrozek Except you forgot to tell us when to stop
 
Indeed -_-
 
@PopularDemand Do I owe you big?
That's it. In future I refuse to join a site that does not support markdown
And at least remembers your formatting when editing.
 
@Diago No, I haven't done anything for you.
 
Damn... I mean Yay!!!!
 
But, ugh, I keep getting reminded of these car dealership commercials from when I was a kid.
 
7:25 PM
@PopularDemand Can I come back now?
 
"Don't drive a car without the Sheehy Mark Down on it!" or some such. And video of a guy -- last name Down, first name Mark, of course -- sitting on the car.
@badp Gah , you left?
 
Yeah, for dinner
 
Stop ninjaing us!
 
What you have to do to get privacy these days. It's ridiculous. You would swear the Internet is open to everyone or something stupid,
 
 
7:32 PM
What tag(s) should go on a "where can I ask a question about X?" post on Meta?
 
@badp Freakishly I actually knew what that meant. Since it is still in my time :(
 
stackexchange-2.0? area51?
 
[anywhere-but-here] [yahoo-answers]
 
Not A51, it's a question, not a site proposal.
 
[plz-to-send-teh-answerz]
 
7:35 PM
Hey Chacha, I think it's time for the peanut gallery to be cut off. How many have they had, anyways?
 
@PopularDemand NOOO I haven't even started yet
Everyone keeps talking. So I don't get time to even get a drink.
And I've been here since like 7am this morning
 
Is there a quick way to see what a tag is a synonym of?
 
@Diago You had a 1.5 hours window between 15:24 and 17:01 UTC!!
 
@badp What time is it now?
 
@PopularDemand Go to /tags/foo and it'll redirect you to /questions/tagged/bar if [foo] -> [bar]
 
7:37 PM
19:37 UTC.
 
@MichaelMrozek Yeah, that's what I did, but when I'm tagging a question and it just comes up [whatever (s)] I wish there was a quick ref of some kind.
 
Somebody was saying on meta instead of (s) it should say (master-tag), which is a decent idea I think
 
@badp I was driving then. And trying to keep the wife occupied so I could come to the Tavern
 
@PopularDemand There's /tags/synonyms, naturally, but that gets a little unwieldy
 
status-this-is-going-to-lead-to-some-creative-tags
 
7:40 PM
@Diago You drove here? I thought the Information Superhighway was just one of those metaphorical jobbers!
 
That's why I hang out in here; the drive to Chat feedback just isn't worth it
 
@PopularDemand I was lucky. @Shog9 had to walk here.
 
@Diago Uphill, in the snow, both ways, shoeless, and under the snow is broken glass? No wonder he's so bitter!
 
@PopularDemand Yeah. Explains a lot. At least I had aircon and four wheel drive.
 
@Diago We should pool our resources and get him a bicycle or something. There's no shortage of places for him to park it.
 
7:44 PM
@PopularDemand Brilliant idea, I also think @Shog9 has earned it after all this time. I am sure others would chip in too
status-be-back-in-a-bit
 
But as pleasant as I'm sure the drive is, you should try watersliding in through the "series of tubes" entrance. Much more fun.
@Shog9, do you prefer road or mountain?
 
mountain, of course
with that green sticky stuff in the tires to compensate for all the thorns and glass
 
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