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6:02 PM
OMG am I the only dev who understands that some operations may take time to complete? Am I the only dev who understands async operations?
ffs
 
Hm, I wonder if I should have posted my SSN like that, though. Maybe I should have e-mailed him directly.
@drachenstern You obviously don't believe that this is true, or you wouldn't be complaining in here (you'd assume that we wouldn't get it).
 
@PopularDemand too true, just wanted to vent
I figure everyone in this room knows what async ops are
 
@drachenstern What are async ops?
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ops that aren't synched
 
what does async mean?
is there an MSync? or an FSync?
I want to YSync something..
does that mean putting y after every charcater?
Iy aymy wyryiytyiynygy iyny yysynycy!y
 
6:07 PM
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Q: Bring back the 'oldest' sort order for answers

Lance RobertsPlease bring back the oldest sort order for answers, I think we can deal with four different types of sort order. It's helpful if you don't want to have to tool-tip every post to see which got posted first, so that you can upvote the oldest answer when answers duplicate each other.

 
Oldest as default sort??
 
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A: Bring back the 'oldest' sort order for answers

Tyler ChachaYou think you can handle the 4 sort orders? You can't handle the 4th sort order!!!

status-win
 
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status-fail
 
status-rchern-fails
 
Untrue!
 
6:11 PM
status-true
 
status-you-cant-handle-the-truth
:P
 
No, I've just realized the waste that this convo is and am moving on. q:
 
@RebeccaChernoff that's becuse you should've replied, [status-niw]
you just get your star and you're done with it
 
@Chacha, I gave you an upvote for that.
@RebeccaChernoff I don't care if oldest is the default sort, I like the random sort. I just want the option.
 
6:17 PM
@radp NIW?
 
Why do we keep falling into these weird [status-conversation] situations?
I say we remove the status tag from chat.
Or place a limit on how often a user can use it.
 
status-declined
 
status-declined-again
 
status-status
status-status-status
 
6:31 PM
I haven't worked out for like a month or two .. but my muscles haven't gotten smaller..
 
status-i-will-spam-you-then-until-you-change-your-mind
status-that-tag-was-too-long
 
pulls up /help to see if there's an /ignore (;
 
status-as-was-that
 
@Moshe You know I added flagging to the userscript? :P
 
@TimStone - oh?
:-)
 
6:32 PM
GAH
How do I get rid of /help..
 
/help
?
 
it goes away by itself
 
it just stays there..
 
where?
 
But I want it to go away NOW!!!!
 
6:33 PM
What userscript?
 
move the mouse outside of it
 
I'm confused.
@RebeccaChernoff - this your keyboard shortcut script?
 
I guess maybe we could bind esc to it
@Moshe aye.
 
Well, the chat one, not the one for the sites that I'm working on.
 
6:34 PM
Where do I get it?
 
elsewhere
 
@TylerChachac- heh. Really.
@RebeccaChernoff - What's the link to it?
 
@RebeccaChernoff I was going to add that the other day but it involved more than copy+paste, so I didn't get around to it yet. :P
@TylerChacha Yeah, I found that kind of annoying myself..
 
@TylerChacha - Who did those icons? You?
@TylerChacha - when the mouse hovers on a button, the text should be darkened, otherwise it is too hard to read.
 
hmmÇ
What are you talking about
 
@TylerChacha - In Triton.
Who did the logos?
 
I did the Logos, the buttons I got from an icon set
 
And the hover text should be inverted so it's better contrasted on the background on mouse over.
 
The logo really isn't anything interesting
just a font
I'll look into that
 
@RebeccaChernoff - Any way to run it with Safari?
 
6:44 PM
There I fixed it in Dev
I'll push changes to 102content.com/triton/dev later today
 
ok
 
Basically 102content.com/triton/dev is nightly builds, 102content.com/triton is point releases
They both run off the same data store though, so you can switch between easily
 
Why does 102content.com/triton/dev show "Currently undefined ad undefined"?
I can't reproduce the problem, but it did that twice.
 
ah
That is when you download stuff
 
@Moshe Absolutely no frigging clue.
 
6:47 PM
It gives you a progress bar... kind of
 
Does Safari support scripts? lol
 
@RebeccaChernoff - I guess there's SU to find out.
 
It says How many files you've downloaded out of how many total. That will get cleaned up soon
 
Ah, ok
@RebeccaChernoff - Googled, for future reference, you need to install SIMBL and then GreaseKit, then you can run GreaseMonkey scripts. I haven't verified this, but that's the gist of my Googling.
 
Well, then yes, it should work.
Give it a shot. (:
 
6:51 PM
And, if it breaks horribly, blame one of the other developers.
 
Okay, installed SIMBL and GreaseKit, restarting safari and then we'll take it from there,
Cool
It prompted me to install.
What can this script do @RebeccaChernoff?
/help
 
@Moshe You need to reload the page for the script to work.
 
ok
cool
We are in business.
It works!
 
could also look at the readme on github (:
 
@RebeccaChernoff - could.
 
6:55 PM
q:
 
What does /clips do?
 
Hello
 
@TylerChacha Hi.
 
Ooooo! New people to test 102content.com/triton!
Muy Bien!
 
@RebeccaChernoff, @TimStone Does psudo onebox require the other users to have the script installed? (I assume, yes.)
 
6:58 PM
no
 
only works with vimeo right now
 
oh, meh
ok
cool
Is there an oy easter egg in it?
And does it only work in chat, or can it work on SO also?
/oy
 
WTB oy easter egg
 
@TylerChacha oy
@TylerChacha oy
 
8:12 PM
@TylerChacha Very neat! seems like a web-based OneNote.
 
Personal*cough*Google*cough*Wave ;)
 
cough*OneNote*cough :)
 
cough Triton cough
 
@TylerChacha "Currently at 28 of 28" does not get pushed down, hovers over/under(?) the posts.
and... 28 of 28 what?..
 
@GeorgeMarian @Fosco @TimStone, you guys need to see your doctors about those coughs. I'm ignoring you until you do; I am not trying to pick up whatever viruses you've got.
 
8:20 PM
lol
 
@PopularDemand I actually have seen a doctor about my coughing, but we weren't able to figure out the cause. :P
 
8:42 PM
@TimStone My Dean went to the doctor for a hoarse voice and he was told "Shut up" by the doctor.
(removed hiccup)
 
lol
I take it he's a yeller?
 
That seems..a little unprofessional, heh. :P
 
@GeorgeMarian - No, he talks often, it's a small religious school. He's involved. Gives a daily class to a small group as well as a couple of weekly ones for the whole school.
@TimStone - I didn't mean that literally. The Dean was going around joking "everyone tells me to shut up, why do I need to pay a doctor to tell me the same?".
 
Ah, heh
 
Hmm...when I taught, I had to talk a lot. It was actually painful at first.
Water, lots and lots of water.
 
8:46 PM
Interesting point.
I keep a case of water bottles in my dorm room actually. Good stuff.
Anyone care to explain CRUD development?
I saw an ad on the SO sidebar for a project called Yii.
It mentioned that acronym.
 
wonders when his sarcasm detector broke ... :(
 
@drachenstern - better?
/sarcastically @drachenstern - It didn't break.
heh.
Move that to The Bad Joke Room.
Where's @TylerChacha when you need him?
 
9:22 PM
@GeorgeMarian Day9 always remarks how he drinks tons whenever he 'casts or commentates games, you usually see him drinking at least 3 things.
 
Heh. The throat dries out quite readily when you have to project. It's one thing if you're just speaking in a conversation, quite another if you're presenting.
 
hates going to get a bite to eat and not being around when he's mentioned in a post ;)
 
clearly, just as with sleep, you should not eat.
 
If only I could combine chat with NFS on my Xbox...
 
@TimStone You can move the Xbox...
 
9:34 PM
@RebeccaChernoff or leave town as I did this weekend.
 
Hehe. It is going to be nice to go home for Christmas and be able to enjoy and hang out instead of getting in late Christmas Eve and leaving early Sunday due to work.
 
I'm so looking forward to a few weeks off.
 
9:49 PM
Currently, that would require a bit of effort. (Messy regions of my room cropped out for your viewing pleasure)
 
I was thinking I'd play some Civ 5 over Christmas vacation, anyone tried it out yet?
 
Not I. Not that that means much.
 
@LanceRoberts Yes. I haven't, personally, but it seems to have a lot of question-share on Gaming SE.
 
@TimStone Aww, no fun. How can we make fun of you then?
 
I had to eventually uninstall Civ 4 because I spent too much time on it. So I'm sure I'll have to on Civ 5 also, but I'll get some play in.
 
9:51 PM
@TimStone you call those FHCs?
@LanceRoberts I try to avoid lifesucking leachs. I also shy from sparkly vampires.
 
@LanceRoberts Not yet, but thanks for reminding me that I'm too broke to buy it. ;)
 
@GeorgeMarian Probably via the various other ways I've made an ass of myself in chat. :P
@drachenstern I was just impressed that my letters came out reasonable, on account of me being left-handed.
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@TimStone Ha. That's so lacking in the area of instant gratification. ;)
 
@GeorgeMarian Not that it will, in any way, make you feel better, but I bought Civ IV a while back and never opened the damn thing.
 
@GeorgeMarian I'm counting on getting it for Christmas (though if i don't then I'll pony up for it).
 
9:54 PM
Not sure how that happened, but I saw it the other day and went "Oh...hm."
 
Christmas has bee put on hold. shakes fist at politicians
Not that I'm crying about it. Something about being an immigrant has thickened my skin nicely. :)
 
@GeorgeMarian I really don't anticipate running out of ways...
Oh, you already replied. Catch-up fail.
 
Fair enough.
He provides plenty of fodder.
 
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Q: Asp.net web page visible in xml format in view page source but looks user friendly on browser?

csharper2020Hello everyone.. Please look at this sample link address: (weather.gov) http://140.90.113.200/xml/current_obs/KLAX.xml if you view page source in browser, you can see that it shows data in XML format (usng xsl.?). I need to implement a simple web page like that. I think that web site uses X...

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@RebeccaChernoff :p
 
9:58 PM
(:
 
> The problem with the new hundred-dollar bills has remained largely hidden from public view, despite a press release issued by the Federal Reserve on Oct. 1 that announced "a delay in the issue date" of the new bills and cited "a problem with sporadic creasing of the paper."
Translation: "We forgot to report on it, so let's blame them."
Or something, I'm struggling to understand the point they're trying to make there, heh.
 
problems in bills nobody has = not very exciting news
 
Apparently there are 6.6 billion $100 bills in circulation, which "wear out quickly."
Clearly I hang out with the wrong group of friends, then.
 
@TimStone My $100 bills I carry around don't wear out that quickly, being kept in stacks of 100 and all.
 
Oy, the line about me procrastinating got 6 stars? I think I'm gonna have to propose a limit on the number of stars just so y'all stop starring the stupid stuff I say.
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10:04 PM
@NickT I assume you keep them padded with stacks of $50 too, for safe keeping?
 
@TimStone Yeah, easier to make it rain with $50s or $20s.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I thought there was a prize for starring the most rchern posts? I feel used.
 
@RebeccaChernoff We were all just excited that we taught you well, being professional procrastinators ourselves.
 
Isn't that the mission of SO? Procrastination?
 
10:07 PM
@NickT No no no ... i swear .. now what was i supposed to be doing?
 
Hello
 
sitting in on a meeting by phone, listening to my coworker say dumb things, biting my tongue ...
 
99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 98 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
Also, I think the problem is that my coworker is doing something dumb and that he's causing the whole problem that's requiring 8 heads to stop working for an hour or two
 
98 bottles of beer on the wall, 98 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 97 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
10:13 PM
@drachenstern You should ask Jeff if he's ported his Punch-Opera-Users-through-the-Internet technology to the telephone system yet.
 
@drachenstern People seem to have forgotten the actual purpose of meetings; to resolve things that require small amounts of input from everybody. Not to a) preach to people, or b) let 2-3 people have an argument.
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97 bottles of beer on the wall, 97 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 96 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
anyone going to continue thatÇ
 
Dude at my old company was complaining to me how their weekly stand-up update meeting lasts almost the entire morning.
96 bottles of beer on the wall, 96 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 95 bottles of beer on the wall.
The update meeting for all of engineering, so that's like a dozen people
 
10:16 PM
94 bottles of beer on the wall, 94 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 93 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
@Moshe Totally not edited
 
?
 
GAH. Why doesn't the edit link have an id on it?
grumbles
 
@RebeccaChernoff Wha?
 
the links in the post-menu on posts
 
10:18 PM
@NickT Apparently he had a few too many of those passed-around beers.
@RebeccaChernoff Oh, I thought you were talking about in here, heh.
 
@TimStone definitely.
 
93 bottles of beer on the wall, 93 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 92 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
for i in {92..0};do echo "$i bottles of beer on the wall, $i bottles of beer, take one down passit around, $((i-1)) bottles of beer on the wall";done
 
that will say 0 bottles of beer on the wall, 0 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, -1 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
status-procrastination-fail
 
10:21 PM
@TylerChacha your point?
 
no 0 bottles of beer!
this is a Tavern dangit!!!
 
There's an alcohol-providing reputation to uphold!
 
@TylerChacha 92 bottles of beer on the wall, 92 bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around, 91 bottles of beer on the wall.
 
on the wall yes, but now i'm drinking one outta the fridge which by my logic is -1 bottles of beer on the wall
 
You can't have negative bottles
What, do they make you sober?
 
10:22 PM
no no no
well ... ask me after 99 bottles of beer
 
@Zypher Hm, yes...this does raise the question of why beer would be kept on the wall anyway. That seems like a terrible storage place.
 
@Tim i agree
 
@TimStone- No, sounds to me like a wall in a tavern or pub should have a wall lined up with kegs, "on the wall".
 
Passing around beer? That is weird.
 
I'm skeptical of this. :P
 
10:24 PM
You sound like you're taking "on the wall" to mean "on top of the wall", like a thin row of bricks.
 
@Moshe Or mugs, like clubs in some breweries.
 
@NickT - That too.
@Rejoicerejoicekbdisback - Why? I don't drink (too young) but people pass around all sorts of strange things.
 
@Moshe Like toys
 
@Rejoicerejoicekbdisback Passing it around to take it off the wall and into the fridge. Duh.
 
@NickT - I wasn't asking for examples :-)
 
10:26 PM
The beers were put near the wall, close to the AC unit and far away from the server racks, obviously
 
no no ... they should be in the cold isle not far away from the racks
 
How many U tall is a beer bottle?
6?
 
Gah...stupid allergies. I feel all "floaty" today.
 
@NickT Enterprise beer bottles are 2 high.
 
This conversation has kind of dissolved, so I think I'll go wash dishes now. :P
 
wonders what message @TimStone removed that had her name in it.
anybody wanna do an alpha test of the keyboard shortcuts script?
 
Why not? At worst it'll force me to upvote all of rchern's posts.
 
@RebeccaChernoff - Feature Request: It should recognize specific help requests.
as in /help /star
or /help star
 
@Moshe I thought she was talking about the main site shortcuts
 
@RebeccaChernoff - Github link please? I want to re-read the readme
@radp isn't that a single script?
 
@radp - btw, I'm on Safari which doesn't run user scripts...
 
there's um, no ? help overlay yet, so...yeah >_<
 
@RebeccaChernoff j/k works... what are the other keys?
 
@Moshe create an issue on github
 
Unless you use SIMBL and GreaseKit. :-)
@RebeccaChernoff - Oh for the main site.. I was talking about chat.
 
10:38 PM
oh, wow, you had to set the style manually for the highlighting?
 
@RebeccaChernoff - The answer watcher is not recognized by GreaseKit. Won't let me install it.
 
Poor you :(
 
in The SO Tavern (General) on Stack Overflow Chat, 4 mins ago, by drachenstern
ok I have a crazy weird problem ... I need help at least getting it explained properly enough so I can make an SO post (or SF?)
 
@RebeccaChernoff O and E don't seem to work yet
 
10:51 PM
hmm, will look.
 
"sister" is a weird name for "meta"
 
yeah, but I thought a single keyboard to switch between parent/meta would be good. Open to suggestions - this is by no means final.
(and the code is still pretty much a mess)
 
@drachenstern The funny part is, I had a similar problem, and I never managed to create a working solution within the context of using the web service we were using. There is some sort of filter mechanism where you can get the raw stream and make changes to it...but it was a convoluted process and I'm not sure if it's a) applicable to your situation b) a reasonable solution to the problem
 
@RebeccaChernoff Sure, but GM (go meta) isn't bound yet :)
 
@radp and if I'm on the meta site? GM to switch to parent doesn't make sense.
 
10:53 PM
Are there keyboard commands for things like reply?
 
@TimStone I'm actually 3/4 leaning that way right now, if only because I know I can always hack the stream right there. But I'm 1/4 sure I can do the same thing with a 30 second web.config fix
The problem is finding said magical flag
 
Anyways, need to run an errand. Will read any feedback in a bit.
 
@RebeccaChernoff Oh, nothing... Actually no, I just misinterpreted what you were saying about the edit link and auto-corrected myself.
 
6 mins ago, by Rebecca Chernoff
user image
 
@drachenstern In our case the problem was that the service was sending invalid XML (it contained illegal characters), which was why I was going down that route. Unfortunately I'm not versed enough in the relevant .NET technologies to know if there's a better solution in your case.
 
10:56 PM
@RebeccaChernoff Colors need more contrast IMHO :P
 
Oooh, My rep was audited.
Am I the only one?
I got this audit link next to my rep now on the home page.
 
@Moshe That's the userscript.
 
@Moshe I gots nothing ;)
 
Oh, cool
I forgot, I restarted my browser.
Cool.
What other goodies does the userscript have?
 
ok, wtf?
what are the "subjective" title modifiers?
 
10:58 PM
huh?
 
Why does SO "Ask a question" think this is "subjective and likely to be closed"? How best can an incorrect XML header be modified on the fly in IIS before being parsed by a WCF class?
 
@drachenstern Use of the word "best"
 
@drachenstern Use of the word "best"
 
I figured as much, stupid "subjective" modifiers
 
Now to the uninformed, that'll look like an awesome coincidence. :D
 
11:00 PM
lmao
 
@drachenstern At least you noticed. I regularly see people complain when a question containing the word "best" is closed as subjective
 
@drachenstern Gotta stay away from those opinions. ;P
 
@TimStone I agree with what you just said
 
@ChrisF Yeah, I see that a lot as well, it's really frustrating sometimes.
 
@ChrisF yeah I'm just trying to prevent the bullish mods rushing to close because of a stupid title word
 
11:02 PM
I'm going to vote to close regardless, so.
;)
 
@TimStone Well given that people also click through the "answer your own question" and "add another answer" dialogs it's hardly surprising they miss the subjective banner.
@drachenstern You might be OK with that title, but it can't hurt to rewrite without the "b" word.
 
@ChrisF That's certainly true. It just amazes me how people get all offended by the resulting close though, when it was entirely their own fault. Well, amazes me in some sense; clearly it's not surprising given we're on the internet.
 
Too bad it wasn't python, then you could use "pythonic" which is shorthand for "best way in Python"
Is the issue with the B-word that people are just supposed to answer with methods that work and the best is upvoted the most?
 
Actually I'm amazed at how civilised SO has remained. I've given up on other sites after much less use because of the repetitive bickering and noob baiting.
@NickT Nicely put
 
@NickT agree with @ChrisF
 
11:06 PM
@drachenstern I think the question works fine just taking the 'best' out.
 
@LanceRoberts Yeah, I'm going to take it out
 
@drachenstern "Glad to be of service". I don't know the answer to your question though ;)
 
I suppose that's true, SO is really quite tame compared to many similar sites. In fact, I believe that the worst spat I've seen was between two 10K+ users in some comments, which a mod flag took care of fairly quickly.
 
@ChrisF Regarding civilized discussion; I fear that it may be untenable in this SE site. If the mods are too heavy-handed it may kill the mood.
 
Im back
 
11:11 PM
@ChrisF nobody seems to that's online atm ;)
 
Ok, ready to see the new Triton stuff?
 
@NickT Not a site I intend to visit ;) Simply because life's too short to argue about the unknowable. (I'm on the atheist side of agnostic)
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As is custom to the programmers code handbook, I'll take your silence as a yes
 
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Q: How can an incorrect XML header be modified on the fly in IIS before being parsed by an WCF class?

drachensternI have a client submitting a web-request (POST) of XML data to a server. The head of the XML reads <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-16"?> but the data is truly utf-8. We are trying to intercept the existing stream (and everybody involved realizes this, we're trying to put in a store-and-fo...

Thanks for the pity upvote, whoever you were ;)
 
Regular: 102content.com/triton/dev Lazy: 102content.com/triton/dev/nocache.php - Biggest change is a change in the documents menu UI
 
11:18 PM
@drachenstern It's a good question - I'm tempted to up-vote myself.
 
@TylerChacha I tend to do the lazy thing for people myself, gives them a "hey thanks" kind of feeling so they feel a little ... gentler ? towards your product, and maybe a tad more forgiving if things don't quite work
 
So, what ya think?
 
@TylerChacha I'm liking it
 
Right now the update times are wrong
they will change to 'Updated 5 min ago' and such
 
11:38 PM
My password sucks, every time I type it fast I get it wrong
 
Sounds like it is your typing that sucks.
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