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8:00 AM
@Diago I've got a self learner badge just for repeating what Jeff said in the chatroom. Go figure...
 
@YiJiang Lolz. Yeah. That also helps. I think I got enlightened for linking to one of his answers.
 
@AidenBell the last thing I did before changing jobs was one of those - it took literally a year to implement. Change to the users? nothing.
 
Congratulations to everyone on the millionth question on SO :)
And I have more nice answers and englightened badges on SO than you have ;) (as long as we're in bragging mode that is)
 
Well at least we can all say that we contributed to there being a millionth question :)
 
8:13 AM
@MarcGravell - problem is with big reworks, bugs appear and someone will say "nothing has changed, why the bug all of a sudden"
 
Nice F5 button :) A bit worn isn't it? ;)
 
Spot the odd one out
Two weeks, and it's already like that
I blame Stack Overflow
 
they blame you for bandwidth costs too lol
 
@LasseVKarlsen really?
 
I should've specified
I was referring to whoever posted their numbers above
And I meant, I have on SO, you have on Meta
It was only referring to the numbers, I have no idea how many you guys really have :)
Though I know you have a lot, you're up on 150, 160k or what now?
170 in fact
 
8:16 AM
@YiJiang see, in chat you don't need no stinkin' F5
 
[Sitting here wondering if SO Employee -> Rep is equivalent to Microsoft employee -> MVP :)]
 
@Benjol I'm confused? MS -> MVP?
 
Well, an MS employee removes the MVP status
So are you saying that 'cos I work for SO I don't earn rep?
 
@MarcGravell Oh yeah. That stupid rule.
 
@MarcGravell, yeah, all your rep should be wiped out ;)
 
8:17 AM
@MarcGravell Although I am aware of two cases where guys still finished their cycle actually. Under the radar so to speak.
 
@Marc W00t?
 
@Benjol That makes more sense
 
I'm outnumbered by people trying to steal my repz!
@JohntheSeagull W00t W00t?
 
This whole full disclosure thing is sometimes a pain in the backside. I spend the first part of my day validating why certain questions got closed etc.
@MarcGravell Are you still an MVP?
 
@MarcGravell hey, steal, I didn't think of that, how 'bout we share your rep between those present? [vulture-like sniggering]
 
8:20 AM
MVP again - hoorah!
 
@MarcGravell Congrats :) I don't do twitter anymore :P
 
@Benjol sure thing (wipes rep)... now; eeny meeny miney mo! Goes to... #23354. I was surprised too, so I did a recount. Would you believe it? same result!
 
You know there is a lot going on when your browser ask you to restart because it has been open for too long and couldn't update.
 
Happens to me all the time with dailies ;)
actually it's time to upgrade to today's.
 
Yeah. Chrome just decided it needed a restart
@LasseVKarlsen FYI. Chrome V8 just hit the Dev channel, so 7 should be public I assume.
 
8:28 AM
@Diago Ok, cool
 
I don't like it when people use major version numbers for what feels like incremental change.
 
Version numbers are by and large useless usually anyway
Every company or developer has their own system
 
@MarcGravell The only change I can see on Windows is the encryption option for syncing.
 
I agree though, I expect major changes when a new major version is out
But web-applications, as an example, usually don't even have version numbers
 
@MarcGravell I hope however the Mac version fixes the graphics card switching issue. Which is the only reason I will consider going back to Safari.
 
8:32 AM
Unless they're sold as applications
They're usually only affixed with something related to version control, changeset number or id
or build
 
The community really makes it hard to sell a feature request. I must admit I think it is a good thing however, since it means that they do care about the platform. Really also forces you to think carefully about the request, and if you really feel it's worthy, continue pushing for it.
 
I prefer the TeX versioning number system.
@Diago, giving 97% of the userbase a "NUKE MY ACCOUNT AND EVERYTHING I HAVE EVER DONE ON THIS WEBSITE" button really is a bad idea :)
 
@radp I have to admit I am in 2 minds about the SO angle. However I just want to make it clear again all requirements are solely a suggestion. Initially I was thinking 200 reputation.
 
@Diago What are you talking about now? I'm not following? What requirements/suggestions?
 
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Q: Users should be able to close accounts on specific SE sites without developer/moderator intervention

DiagoI am fully aware of the process to close an account, but with the amount of new SE sites popping up under certain circumstances users may want to close or remove their accounts from one or more SE sites. Just because a user is a member of one site does not mean they have to be a member of every s...

@LasseVKarlsen I happened to have a scenario last night where I wanted to have my account removed on a specific SE site, and realized that I needed to mail the team again. It just made sense to have the option to remove my account myself within certain boundaries.
 
8:38 AM
Being able to remove your account is also being a good citizen on the net
 
We already have automatic account deletions so why can't I have an account that I have never, or will never use, removed myself without having to email the time.
 
@LasseVKarlsen O.O?
 
The site I mean, the site should allow users to remove their accounts
I might want to clean up earlier behavior, bad or good
Think of the flak Facebook had when you couldn't really delete your account
 
Yeah, go in, get answer, pull out.
 
I respect that there are users that disagree. But at the same time there are some that do want the ability. Even Facebook and Twitter allows me to delete or suspend my account.
 
8:39 AM
I know, SO/SE is not facebook, not the same type of data, but still
 
I don't like the part where you delete everything you have ever done there @Diago
 
@radp Actually, that is the reason I was thinking of putting some criteria in place, and I was hoping the community will come up with some more, rather then just shooting it down off the bat.
 
Account removal is already provided by the mods
 
But then, it's probably not something that crops up very often, so if I were to choose, I would probably not let the team prioritize such a feature
Since, as you say, you can always email the team
 
@radp I need to rephrase that. I don't think delete is what I meant. Let it be like it is currently, where your userid is normalized.
 
8:40 AM
(joke) just link to some pharm/med spam and wait 24 hours ;p
 
What does it mean that a "userid is normalized"?
 
@LasseVKarlsen Wrong wording. Your UserId is removed from the post. For example.
 
2
Q: Ubuntu and Windows Server 2008 NFS

Background I am trying to configure NFS on my Windows Server 2008 with UNIX Extensions to be able to connect to Ubuntu. However in 2008 you need AD to activate User Profile Mappings. Windows can however connect to a Identity Manager Service to retrieve this information from another machine. Th...

I had my account deleted last night. The question and everything is still there, but unlinked from my account apart from the name stub
@radp That was what I meant with the "delete" part.
 
Ok, but if your name stays behind
What did you actually accomplish?
 
8:42 AM
@radp Also, like in the case of Neil, the dev team does sometimes approve the deletion of content completely.
 
Yes, if it's completely unrelated, incorrect or noisy
 
@radp So his 60k+ answers where noise?
 
I don't know the specifics here, I know that's the common reason for answer deletion.
If Jeff nuked 60k answers off the site then whoa, wtf?
 
@LasseVKarlsen The account is no longer associated to me and it doesn't show up on my account associations etc. In my case I didn't feel I wanted to associate myself with the community and it's standard. Again, the option to do so will always be a personal choice.
@radp I may have the rep amount wrong but yes, Neil's whole account was deleted, but I don't think the content was removed as far as I am aware.
Again. I only meant that the account needs to be "disconnected" from the questions
 
I'm still not sure what the point of deleting an account is, however.
 
8:44 AM
And again. I had hoped the community would suggest and improve the criteria, rather then throw arguments about how the criteria makes no sense.
 
OCD?
@Diago, the +100 rep bonus makes it basically impossible to come up with a rep threshold low enough.
 
@radp You may not understand the point. To me it's important. I don't like having accounts on sites which I never visit, or don't have an interest in.
 
I was thinking 6 or 11 rep.
 
@radp Unless the bonus is the threshold.
@radp But then how do I remove my accounts when I always get a +100 bonus?
 
Indeed, @Diago, hence why I didn't come up with a rep requirement :)
 
8:46 AM
Anyway. I am going to leave the request and see what happens with it.
 
even 101 rep is too much imho
nevermind you had 111 there.
 
@radp The thing is I agree we shouldn't let high rep users just randomly delete accounts. However low rep users shouldn't be an issue. I wanted a threshold which was the maximum rep at which level it can be done by yourself.
@radp Actually I had 170
 
the point I'm making is, low rep users are the issue.
They're the bulk.
They give questions the high rep people can answer.
If there are no questions, you can give no answers.
They don't visit chat or meta or comment
that doesn't mean we can ignore them
 
@radp Seriously. You guys make it sound as if every user on SO is going to leave if this option is made available. Please start living outside of the box. Some users, including myself, prefer to have the option. And also it will take some strain away from the development team who has to do this manually every time.
And one that note I am out of here. I have work to do.
 
later
 
8:53 AM
I suspect it is rarer that you think... most people just walk away if they don't want to use it.
 
Yeah, for example I never used my SF account (even if I'd have loved to answer or ask something over there) but I can still sleep at night...
besides, it's 101 more free rep for Area15 :P
With 30 sites you can have 2,929 free Area51 rep! Bargain!!
 
9:23 AM
btw
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A: Meta Raffle: When Will StackOverflow Reach One Million Questions?

Jon8:59:50 am GMT/BST | Wednesday, October 13, 2010 According to the current stats on the sites, with 3756 questions left and 1.65 questions per minute. 13/10/2010 07:38:34 GMT+1 (BST) (This spreadsheet gives estimate: https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AsLR0NP8wioVdGRmZUhqd0pudG9faDlYdVh...

only answer for today.
 
0
Q: Room owners cannot bookmark conversations

radpI guess the bookmarking feature was supposed to be part of the message admin screen, but it isn't there.

 
yes?
 
bookmarking only has a reputation requirement, nothing else
where do you miss it?
 
I miss it from the room menu in Gaming for the General room
Talk
full transcript
recent highlights
starred posts
bookmarked conversations
create new bookmark
Room owner
statistics & room description
schedule events
control access
manage feeds
message admin
 
> create new bookmark
 
9:35 AM
<_<
Question deleted, sorry.
 
don't worry about it -- I changed that menu a little bit recently
but since bookmarking doesn't do anything to the messages, it's not considered part of the message admin tools
 
0
Q: Proton collider dropdown broken on Meta

PekkaThe new network-wide dropdown is working great for me, with the exception of Meta. Here, it acts as if I were not logged in. I don't see an "Inbox" tab, and I'm not notified of comments made to me on Meta. is this on purpose to spare Meta newbies from the heartbreak of getting informed of all ...

Looks like somebody's mixed up Portal with Red Alert
Also, [collider-dropdown-thingy] as a tag? +1!
 
Thanks, fixed
Oops! Your edit couldn't be submitted because: 'multicollider-superdropdown' exceeds maximum tag length of 25
:/
 
@radp Awww.. come on, can't you just leave it alone for a while?
 
@YiJ restored the tag, enjoy.
However I'm afraid prolonged exposure to incorrect naming is not part of this test.
 
9:46 AM
I hate this thing... it tells me that it timed out, then it didn't timout, and I couldn't even tell that there was a double post until I refreshed
 
10:30 AM
Grrr, every day, every commute, beggars are here
most use the same printed 'flier' claiming how each of the 8 rotating people has two sons and whatnot, but this one didn't think that was enough
and had to use a leucemia scam. That's wrong on so many levels I don't know what's keeping me from calling the police and getting his ass busted.
Probably the fact it wasn't his idea to begin with.
I guess mostly just get beaten if they do not collect enough money.
 
10:47 AM
@radp Glad we are not the only country with this problem
 
11:35 AM
bad idea of the day: if X posts a question A that is closed as a duplicate of B, X should automatically upvote B
probably a bad idea because closed questions can be reopened
 
12:02 PM
@radp That might make sense on Meta if it's a feature request, but not sure if any other use case where it would be.
 
@Diago yes, but it'd be downvoted to hell and back :)
 
12:38 PM
@radp You'd also have to downvote anyone who posted that feature request before.
@Diago Please, that's a human race-wide problem.
When I was in college, the beggars and "homeless" had cell phones.
Were bounty records always listed, or is that new?
Either way, I like.
 
Morning
 
@spoulson Good morning
How is everyone doing today?
 
Everyone is well
AFAIK
Got the latest Car Craft yesterday. Hopefully will have time to read it today.
 
@PopularDemand They're sure not on the timeline
 
@radp Bah, the timeline view. I can't really get on board with anything that you have to type the URL in for.
 
12:49 PM
the timeline view makes the 1k milestone irrelevant...
that's how good it is :P
In other news, balsamiq updated its homepage
as usual, unicorns save the day.
 
My new education path for MSO. Diamond Moderators != Developers.
 
@Diago ?
 
@PopularDemand Fair enough!
@PopularDemand Just being pedantic. Tired of reading that the moderators must do x, y and z when x, y and z is actually for the Development Team to handle. There seems to be a mindset that moderators have god like powers and access to the codebase.
 
1:06 PM
@Diago Yeah, naming is important. Perhaps we should stop using the terms "developer" and "admin." Say "mod" instead. Then current diamond users could be demoted to "demimod."
 
"Superuser" is kind of already taken :)
 
Which would make 10k-ers semidemimods... and 3kers hemisemidemimods.
 
@PopularDemand Point taken. Seems I am full of bad ideas lately.
 
@Diago You didn't get access when you became a mod? Strange.
 
@Diago No, I'm not disagreeing with you.
 
1:08 PM
@rchern Not due to lack of trying. But then your special. So I am not surprised you did :P
 
I just think "demimod" is a fun word.
 
oy
 
3kers: close police
10kers: close mafia
Mods: close dæmons
Devs: close vampires
fify :P
 
@radp You're doing it wrong!
 
1:09 PM
@radp I like the whole Demon / Vampire angle.
Maybe I should put back my old display picture
Except I don't have the long hair anymore.
@balpha Any reason I just got a blank notification bar?
 
it's not like you show your hair in the corrent pic.
 
@Diago probably
 
So is the bounty record new? @Diago? @rchern? @balpha?
 
@Diago what did you do?
 
@balpha I see you're mastering the way of the [status-bydesign] :D
 
1:11 PM
@PopularDemand, say what now?
 
@balpha Nothing. I was merely typing away and the next minute their was a blank notify. Possibly the remind for the event reg?
 
Shows previously offered and unawarded bounties. Was that always there?
 
@PopularDemand I think it is part of the last bounty overhaul.
 
@radp no, just the law of causality: Nothing happens without a reason :)
 
i feel like i've seen that before
 
1:12 PM
I'm surprised that I've never seen it, then.
 
but i'm still a somewhat noob
 
Moving on....
 
visited 106 days, 99 consecutive
oooh
 
yay!
isited 124 days, 107 consecutive
 
I had half a mind to write a feature request for public access to expired bounty information, is all.
But with that in place, I'm guessing it's be [status-already-exists]
 
1:15 PM
those are the best kind though
instant gratification!
 
@rchern Not so.
You still have to go to the specific question the bounty was on to find out about it.
I was thinking more like a list of my old bounties in my profile.
 
Somebody is voting down my answers, without any apparent reason, none stated. And some answers are perfectly fine to the question related. 5 questions have been downvoted and I am not sure why .
 
ah
so post it then?
 
I'm not that great at question searching, but I feel like I would remember if I offered a bounty on a given question.
3 mins ago, by Popular Demand
But with that in place, I'm guessing it's be [status-already-exists]
Loop complete!
 
1:31 PM
Weird, Hans Passant answered my question, then deleted the answer a while later
second time he's done that, maybe I didn't vote it up quick enough...
 
Good Morning, Did I miss 1m over night?
 
@Moshe Yes you did
 
@YiJiang what was it?
 
@Moshe There's a blog post about it
@Moshe There's also a Meta question detailing what is believed to be the correct millionth question
 
@YiJiang links?
 
1:41 PM
@Moshe There's a link to the blog on the bottom of every SO and meta page
 
Right.
Have a good day. I may check in way later.
 
@Benjol That's not too rare for me, I would do it if I noticed that someone else posted a really similar answer 15 seconds sooner, or if I realized that I missed an important detail about the question.
 
@PopularDemand, yeah, I understand that, but it was the only answer, it was useful, I said so in a comment. I was in a hurry to test his idea so didn't vote up right away (I admit I also tend to hold back so my question doesn't drop off 'unanswered' too quick), then it was gone...
hohum. reboot.
 
@Benjol Yeah... it happens.
 
yawn - morin' all
 
1:56 PM
@AidenBell I thought you were in England?
 
I say morning, what I actually mean is "woken up from a snooze"
 
@AidenBell Right then.
 
@PopularDemand - sounds like you would benefit from one ;)
 
@AidenBell I have coffee now.
Can't drink it yet.
 
@AidenBell, do you always have a snooze midday? your activity graph is kind of "M"y. Or is that the bit where you actually do some work? :)
 
1:58 PM
I want to be woken up by the caffeine, not heat damage to my tongue. Otherwise I would've just gotten boiling water.
 
@Benjol - No but last night was quite late and I have some heavy coding to do and was flagging so a quick hour does wonders
and I code best at night
why, I don't know ... a curse
 
Tim
Heh, me too.
 
Jesus! My question is nearly closed on MSO ... people really didn't like that
 
@Tim Hey, thanks again. That really was a great answer.
 
Tim
@PopularDemand No problem. Let me know if I missed anything; I didn't have a test repository to really mess around with, so I wasn't sure if I got every scenario or not.
 
2:04 PM
@AidenBell Based on the comments, it's already been closed a few times. Though those could have all been on SO.
@Tim Eh, you got all the ones I recognize/care about, plus one I hadn't seen before.
 
Tim
Ah, very good then. :P
 
Should I come across a new one, I will unaccept, reverse my vote and leave furious comments.
 
wait, people are still fighting over which question was the 1m?
 
Tim
Seems reasonable to me ;)
@rchern They're just sore that @AidenBell was that awesome, it happens.
 
why is it even questionable.. shouldn't they be able to tell definitively?
 
2:06 PM
I figured when I got up this morning this conversation would be over
 
Jeff's blog states me, there is probably a 1-2 question margin each side
 
@Fosco If any question between 1 and 1,000,000 gets deleted, it'll change.
@MichaelMrozek Seriously.
 
oh good grief.
this is absurd.
 
@MichaelMrozek - You are correct. quietens down
 
We should really move on to more important things. Like trying to get the SO chat password out of rchern
5
 
2:07 PM
@MichaelMrozek True again
 
Or finding a post that says "hi" and starring it several dozen times. The usual
 
@MichaelMrozek True again
 
@rchern This is the point at which you run. And just keep running. Forest Gump style.
 
@MichaelMrozek Just quickly checked in here in between work projects. Glad to see I haven't missed anything out of the ordinary :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException did you miss the t-shirt giveaway last night?
 
2:08 PM
the 1mth question is the 1mth question
 
@AidenBell I saw that right before bed
 
a deleted question is still a question
it is still part of the count
 
@AidenBell Are you serious?
 
@rchern - moving on
 
2:08 PM
</rant>. seriously
 
@PopularDemand aye
 
so how's the weather!
 
Every time I see an SO post on reddit it's a post that was downvoted into the ground. I think reddit has missed the point of sharing SO links
 
those of us who were here when it happened got a t-shirt :) and a million unicorn bill
 
@MichaelMrozek oy
 
2:10 PM
@rchern drab and rainy
):
 
@Fosco Ah. I dropped in, thought it was a pointless chat and left. Oh well.
 
@Fosco What about those of us who were here 30 minutes before and 15 minutes afterwards ;-)
 
I admit I would like a shirt, but it's not like I have anywhere relevant to wear it.
 
in Countdown to 1000000, 9 hours ago, by Aiden Bell
@MichaelMrozek, @Tim hahah did you see @PopularDemand come in then dive right out again
 
@TheUnhandledException, it is working towards that here. cloudy and supposed to rain later
 
2:12 PM
@AidenBell Very nice.
 
@PopularDemand - I spotted you -_-
 
@rchern Next week better be nice, I'm taking the week off. Although you should hope I get lots of rain, that will keep me indoors coding XMPP ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException - Even if it is sunny your doing XMPP stuff
 
LOL
That's what night is for :-)
Or, laptop by the beach :-)
 
I see your/you're mixups more often on SO chat than anywhere else; I'm not sure why
I think we're lagging behind Youtube comments and 4chan threads
 
2:16 PM
crap!
Im usually alright
 
It's not any one person, it just happens all the time. It's probably a chat bug
Feature request: learn us write good
 
Should the person who is posting a question be considered when closing a question. For example a moderator from one site posting a question on another which doesn't feel like it belongs?
 
@MichaelMrozek Ugh, screw this, I'm going to chat.english.stackexchange.com.
@Diago No. It's the same principle as downvoting because of the OP instead of the content.
Even troll OPs sometimes post questions which, with editing, can be useful to have around.
 
OK, back to work for me. Later everyone!
 
Tim
Ah right, work...
 
2:21 PM
@Diago I don't think being a mod on one site makes one automatically aware of the on-topic rules of all the other sites; he probably didn't even check
 
@PopularDemand Cool.
@MichaelMrozek Fair comment.
 
Oh, I didn't realize you were referring to a real question. (@Diago)
That's like the old debate about whether a site A user should have x rep on site B to vote to migrate to site B.
 
@PopularDemand I was trying hard not too :P
 
1 message moved from Regulator Headquarters
 
@TheUnhandledException - no word yet from the fired client.
 
2:27 PM
1 hour ago, by DumbCoder
Somebody is voting down my answers, without any apparent reason, none stated. And some answers are perfectly fine to the question related. 5 questions have been downvoted and I am not sure why .
Just migrated this in from RegHQ but of course it was posted so long ago it didn't really show up.
 
Tim
@PopularDemand Ah, I was wondering about that, heh.
 
So... @Diago @balpha @Marc
 
... waiting ...
 
@balpha Look up. Serial downvote report.
 
Hmmm... my first fortune reading
zhang@zhang-desktop:~$ fortune
    You'll feel much better once you've given up hope.
 
2:37 PM
@PopularDemand nothing irregular in his history -- might have already been invalidated then
 
@balpha Cool. I just wanted to make sure the report was noticed.
@YiJiang Sounds like a fortune -o.
 
Tim
@YiJiang Hopefully you didn't give up hope until after the exam, how did that go?
 
The next one isn't much better
zhang@zhang-desktop:~$ fortune
    Your ignorance cramps my conversation.
I think my computer secretly hates me
 
@YiJiang Or you've only got the -o file and no regular fortunes.
@balpha This chat is too good. My typing is getting worse. I don't have to worry about getting things right when I can just go back and fix them five seconds later.
 
@PopularDemand Huh?
 
2:41 PM
@Diago Don't worry your little head about it, @balpha already fixed it.
 
@PopularDemand Oi. It's to early for you to start insulting. I am still at work :P
 
@Diago Eh, I'll get mine tomorrow, when Marc pings me and I've forgotten that I posted that.
Not to start a pointless discussion, but
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Q: Where can I find people who want to appear intelligent by picking at language?

Erick RobertsonIt's been a long time since I've been made to feel like a jerk. I'd like to answer a question in a straightforward way, but have my answer nit-picked by someone who wants to show off and seem like they know what they're talking about. Ideally, they would find some vocabulary or term that I used...

Oh, who am I kidding, of course I'm trying to start a pointless discussion.
 
@PopularDemand Start the pointless conversation at the comment thread for that question, not here ;)
I was thinking of suggesting him open up a chatroom and post all his codes there so that people can nit-pick at them
 
Tim
Hah, nice.
 
@PopularDemand Hilarious question, actually!..
0
A: Where can I find people who want to appear intelligent by picking at language?

FoscoYes, Stack Overflow has more than enough people who will take the opportunity to point out any possible mis-step you make. You need to be able to roll with the punches. You can get angry, but really what else can you do except move forward? Don't take your ball and go home... Stick around, we ...

> By the way, you started a sentence with a conjunction...
 

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