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12:06 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Amir
Please let me why you down voted? It is my first question in meta, and may need some help. — Amir 21 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Criggie
Aside - not all of us understand the original question or your answer. This might be better on the mathematics meta site. — Criggie 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Amir
@Criggie thank you! Should I now delete this question from here or can I repost it again there? — Amir 46 secs ago
 
12:26 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
I would delete this here since issues specific to one SE site are off-topic for this global meta site. It's up to you if you want to subsequently repost it on Math Meta. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 59 secs ago
 
12:39 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Andy K
@CaveJohnson Why were there no ads in other communities where I don't have enough reputation? — Andy K 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ben Reiniger
Would coarsening the ratings be enough computational help? Something between ventiles and the logarithmic buckets of the right panel of the leaderboard page maybe? — Ben Reiniger 18 secs ago
 
1:10 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
The version of Safari which you are using is not supported. The current minimum supported version is 17.3. I don't know if that is the reason for the issues you are experiencing, but there are definitely issues with using the sites with older versions of Safari. — Makyen 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cave Johnson
@AndyK Which site? Do you have a link to a question that doesn't have a banner for you? — Cave Johnson 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cave Johnson
I found this question which has an answer from you and where I don't have any reputation: arduino.stackexchange.com/questions/78532/…. On first page load there was no banner ad, but when I refreshed the page, a banner ad showed up. Maybe sometimes the ad provider does not have an ad to show in that space. — Cave Johnson 30 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cave Johnson
In any case, I think it's not unexpected for an ad to show up there if you don't have the privilege to hide it. But it seems to not always show up. — Cave Johnson 50 secs ago
 
1:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by pkamb
Strange. Fixed now after updating to macOS 14.4.1 and Safari 17.4.1. Would not expect that bug in a minor browser version update. — pkamb 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Robotnik
@AndyK RE: "Why were there no ads in other communities" - it's possible that SE aren't running ads on all sites — Robotnik 53 secs ago
 
2:18 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mentalist
Will support be added for .webp, animated .png or other formats? — Mentalist 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by super-starball-ultra
 
2:48 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Karl Knechtel
There is already a check. This is just proposing to use AI for it, in a rather vague way. — Karl Knechtel 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cam
I'm aware of the check, but it seems weak at best. I've messed with it, writing out poor questions, and it always says that my post looks good. Is the algorithm posted somewhere? (To clarify, I'm proposing using AI to augment/strengthen this preexisting check). — Cam 1 min ago
 
3:13 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog
This was already tried on Stack Overflow and failed. — Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog 23 secs ago
 
3:33 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Offbeatmammal
So what will happen when SO becomes a <snark>"virtuous circle"</snark> of Generative AI questions and answers feeding for-profit LLMs? Will there be any value for us humans? I don't care about attribution, I care about getting help, and helping others but the experience already seems to be circling the drain (previously active tags getting no answers and mostly "do my homework" type questions) — Offbeatmammal 56 secs ago
 
4:37 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by PeterJames
Do we really need a reputation league for week and quarter? Which league is generating the most load on the server? — PeterJames 1 min ago
 
5:01 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Meta Andrew T.
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Meta Andrew T.
Also, based on my experience, ads on SE are kind of targeted, so depending on the circumstances, users may see the same ads, different ads, or no ads at all. — Meta Andrew T. 6 secs ago
 
5:36 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Hi tonmoy bhattacharya, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Journeyman Geek 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by super-starball-ultra
note that deleting your account does not result in deletion of your content. — super-starball-ultra 24 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by super-starball-ultra
(concerning migration) ..why would it? — super-starball-ultra 30 secs ago
 
5:54 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by roundabout
@PM2Ring There are good answers already. — roundabout 46 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
The USP of SE sites should be the human vetted curation. If users want an AI hallucinate for them, they can ask Bing. — rene 1 min ago
 
6:30 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by henning
@AMtwo f*ck them. — henning 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by cocomac
Note that a freehand red circle would be preferred over a rectangle — cocomac 55 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NoDataDumpNoContribution
Company and community is caught up in a vicious cycle of bad communication, like a couple shortly before a divorce. — NoDataDumpNoContribution 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Vahid Amiri
This is awful. What are contributors getting out of this? — Vahid Amiri 35 secs ago
 
6:55 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Lundin
What if I can prove that I'm the author of certain content but there is no way to prove that I actively agreed on any Terms of Service? I haven't signed anything or used some means to prove my RL identity to the site, so how can some Terms of Service be legally binding? I can just say that I wasn't informed about them and the network can't prove otherwise. Even if they send out an email or have you click some "I accept" button, that's still not proof that the particular information has reached the intended person. Maybe it was someone else clicking the "I agree" button without my knowledge. — Lundin 23 secs ago
 
7:29 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kromster
@JourneymanGeek "The new system is broadly identical to the new one" - well put xD — Kromster just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by SPArcheon
@user1937198 considering the old attempts at adding a price barrier for companies that want to use the dump to train LLM, I would also assume that they were planning for that option — SPArcheon 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Richard
"a small change". This sounds like a great big change for anyone not in the top few hundred. — Richard 29 secs ago
 
8:15 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shadow Wizard Love Zelda
In couple of years people would look on this "post" in web archive and realize: that is the point of no return, which marks the final end of Stack Exchange. — Shadow Wizard Love Zelda 1 min ago
 
9:02 AM
@MichaelHarvey I suggest posting the bug under the post meta.stackexchange.com/questions/399662/… or wait for eight weeks or more before someone responds on ELL meta. (I believe) The company is short on employees. No doubt someone will take issue with what I've just said. — Mari-Lou A Слава Україні 33 secs ago
 
9:27 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
It is strange that you're logged in on Tex and Physics but not on Math. There shouldn't be barriers between those domains. In case it matters, what OS / Browser are you on? Can you check if the developer console of your browser show any errors? Are you able to logon from a different network? — rene 40 secs ago
 
9:53 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Surya Bhusal
The platform has solely started disrespecting its users values, efforts. It was built by the user who contributed amd took efforts. It was a learners first platform. Now it has became a rubbish, which doesnt safeguards users efforts. — Surya Bhusal 48 secs ago
 
10:03 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by SPArcheon
I think that the OP was probably thinking about this comment about the UK ICO guidance that apparently states that "because SO was responsible for the initial consent, they are also responsible for getting any third partys they sold the data to to delete any personal data on request" — SPArcheon 8 secs ago
 
10:15 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Christian Hujer
Yes, @super-starball-ultra, I'm aware of that, but it's worth pointing it out explicitly. I will update my answer accordingly. Account deletion is not so much about the content but as an expression of the felt frustration. — Christian Hujer 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Islam Hassan
@JourneymanGeek A typo/mistake caused this but I'll still link to this xkcd :D — Islam Hassan 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Joachim
This does not provide an answer to the question. To critique or request clarification from an author, leave a comment below their post. - From ReviewJoachim 38 secs ago
 
10:46 AM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Owens
@Lundin I'm not sure how other jurisdictions view it, but in the US, creating an account constitutes acceptance of the terms. Terms usually have clauses allowing revision, so you're also agreeing to continue to accept the terms as they change. By simply logging in and posting content, you're agreeing to the terms of service. Ignorance by failing to read and understand the terms is not a defense. And with IP logging and SSO, if you're making claims that you posted the posts, it's likely to assert that the same person created an account. These would be seen as very weak arguments. — Thomas Owens 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Thomas Owens
@SPArcheon That would probably be a good question for Law. There's a conflict here between GDPR and the attribution requirements of CC BY-SA. The license terms require that the license holder make the request to remove the attribution information. I'm not even close enough to familiar with UK (or any European law) to know how that would fall out. — Thomas Owens 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Don't put your browser on a too strict diet ;) . Glad you resolved the issue. — rene 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
.... I mean the old system is broadly similar to the new one, and vice versa — Journeyman Geek 45 secs ago
 
 
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12:04 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Tony Lambert
Well it makes sense that you ask a question.... then when non one answers, you find your own answer to the question as yr the one that needs it after all.. — Tony Lambert 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by tripleee
Returning spammer; please flag. — tripleee 19 secs ago
 
12:58 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by AMtwo
@MadScientist If I've learned one thing in recent years, it's that yesterday's promises are not guaranteed to be tomorrow's promises. Data Dump was free forever, then the ceo unilaterally decided to shut it off. Then they pretended it was just temporary and turned it back on when everyone was upset.... And how many times have they "forgotten" to keep Mods in the loop on changes? — AMtwo 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1176409
Can the upvoter explain why did you upvote this post? Are you a spy? — user1176409 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by AMtwo
@W.O. Agreed. I think many folks don't fully understand how the "dual license" works on contributions. — AMtwo 13 secs ago
 
1:26 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Some might say its just another example of genAI being a load of hot air — Journeyman Geek just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by willeM_ Van Onsem
I don't know. Is OpenAI going to produce images of black nazi's and Asian vikings? — willeM_ Van Onsem 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by willeM_ Van Onsem
@VahidAmiri: contributors? Nothing, as usual, the StackOverflow Inc. company will... — willeM_ Van Onsem 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
The math meta might be a better place to ask and I recall you can always ask meta questions about your own posts — Journeyman Geek 10 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Attila Vajda
Nice, thanks @JourneymanGeek, I didn't know that — Attila Vajda 28 secs ago
 
1:49 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Attila Vajda
Why the hell people downvote this question? I don't understand it. You surf the net and just randomly downvote stuff? I don't get it. — Attila Vajda 20 secs ago
 
1:59 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Meta Ellen
OpenAI do not cite sources or compensate the people they have taken their training data from. I don't see how you can even begin to believe they have a "commitment to socially responsible AI." I know I'm shouting into the void but you're outright lying to the community. — Meta Ellen 20 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
I didn't but technically- its about one site and we need a certain degree of negative votes to delete it, so some folks might choose to. MSE's a little serious about cleanups and topicality, occationally much so. It might be a good idea to reask this on math meta (math.meta.stackexchange.com) and delete this one — Journeyman Geek 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Attila Vajda
@JourneymanGeek, I apologize, I didn't mean this for you. I shouldn't bother about downvotes... — Attila Vajda 37 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Rand al&#39;Thor
Could you confirm explicitly that the user lists at xxx.stackexchange.com/users will not be affected at all by this change? At first I assumed that's what you meant by "leagues", and downvoted the post accordingly, but after a more careful reading, it seems you're only talking about the lists that appear at stackexchange.com/leagues, which are checked by far fewer people (I'd almost call them a hidden feature) and therefore would be less of a loss. — Rand al'Thor just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ruffin
Wow! I'm so excited that you were able to integrate all of our feedback in /checks notes less than nine days! That's an amazing turnaround! — ruffin 58 secs ago
 
2:26 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Spevacus
Hi Gengkui Liu, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Spevacus just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
I'd add, we have a GIS site - this definitely is not it. — Journeyman Geek 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by F1Krazy
I see you took the tour over on GIS.SE, which is the correct place to post this. How did you end up asking it here by mistake? Genuine question: this happens so frequently that I welcome any ideas that might mitigate it. — F1Krazy 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Now that you know why it was downvoted, any chance you delete this your self or do we need to use our delete votes? — rene 17 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Journeyman Geek
Hi hyun xu, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Journeyman Geek 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Attila Vajda
@rene please help yourself, have a wonderful day. — Attila Vajda 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Flexo
I for one don't see how a company that burned vast amounts of electricity consuming all of the collective works of humanity with neither consent nor renumeration in order to undermine and pollute the very foundation of knowledge itself, whilst cementing entrenched biases, all in pursuit of short term profits can possibly be described as "socially responsible" or "ethical" with a straight face. — Flexo 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Attila Vajda
Sorry, I have to go now, I still have half an hour of downvoting to do today! 😉❤️ — Attila Vajda 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by henning
@AMtwo consider me nonplussed. — henning 19 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by kevinskio
@rene Actually none of these questions are addressed by that post — kevinskio 36 secs ago
 
3:12 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Flexo
Fwiw I do strongly support SO's mission and get the "we've got bills and devs to pay and they had a cheque book" issue. It's just that this would've been a better and probably more honest rationale than eating the hype train. — Flexo 34 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Maybe not addressed but some of your points are raised in answers on that question. And I think all points you raised are better handled there, as this question is only meant to inform us about changing the URLs in the posts to the new image hosting service. — rene 5 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shawn V. Wilson
Indeed use to a have a feature that made it my favorite site: I could add Comments (to myself) for each job listing. In my case I'd say things like "This is same job as that other post" or "Low paying" or "Apply immediately!" — Shawn V. Wilson 11 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shawn V. Wilson
As I mentioned in another comment, a personal "Comments" field to remind me of what I thought about the post and what I want to do next — Shawn V. Wilson 22 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1176409
note the Terms of service give Stack Overflow license to use your post content, even if they are deleted. — user1176409 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Slate
That's correct, @Rand, it's just stackexchange.com/leagues. — Slate ♦ 16 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
The first and second example won't be changed as none of these posts contain https://​​i.stack.imgur.com/<image ID>.<extension> so those posts will not even be considered for the replace logic. In your last example both images and the code snippets will have the content changed from i.stack.imgur.com to i.sstatic.net. — rene 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
Why is it limited to the US? A quick check of indeed shows that the restriction is on your side, as Indeed has plenty of tech jobs in other countries too — Zoe 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Some turns up at Charcoal, particularly the ones with gibberish-edits or obscenities. — W.O. 14 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@W.O. As long as they've defaced via edit, yes. I guess I'm concerned that some users are deleting without also editing. — NotTheDr01ds 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
For the adblock users that are going to do this faster than SE is going to fix this: The new label can be blocked by blocking .s-badge__new, but that doesn't get rid of the purple highlight, which seems to be defined by classes. The entire link can be nuked by blocking #nav-labs-jobs. — Zoe 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by W.O.
Tough one, I'm not sure either. — W.O. 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Catija
@Nzall That's true of SO and a handful of other sites - I don't think it's network-wide by any means. Sites can set that policy - for now. The question is whether the company will continue to allow users to control that into the future. At this point, there's no direct indication that this partnership will lead to posting of AI content, either automatically or manually. My guess is that the intention is to improve AI search tools to make it easier for users to find answers on SO rather than using off-site tools. If the SO bot is better/more accurate/sourced, people will use it. — Catija 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Shawn V. Wilson
Sasha has said they may expand to other markets at some point. — Shawn V. Wilson 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@W.O. Right - Hopefully. In the meantime, honestly, the question is mostly about getting awareness out there for Mods on sites that aren't as heavily trafficked (but can be just as impacted by this). — NotTheDr01ds 54 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Can't answer for mods on all sites but in mod private places I hang out there is awareness and mod use their tools to address the issues that arise. — rene 29 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mast
"Do Mods have a good way to look for this behavior?" As a user, revert the edit if you can. If they do it again, mod flag for vandalism. That usually does it. If enough reversions happen, an automatic flag is raised. A mod flag where you explain what's happening would be the first way to go, IMO. Speaking as a mod. — Mast 38 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mast
Are all mods aware this is happening? No. I can guarantee you some are not. Luckily, in most situations it's not necessary for all of them to be aware if the mod flags are used correctly. Poking one in your local chat room could help depending on the site/mod as well. — Mast 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@Mast Right - Completely possible for those that are just defaced, but not those that are defaced and/or simply deleted. Those are going to require dedicated Mod search-and-recovery, right? — NotTheDr01ds 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@Mast Again, only works for content that isn't deleted. I can't even flag on some of the sites where I don't have 10k and the user has deleted their content. I guess I can look for Chat on those sites where a Mod might hang out. — NotTheDr01ds 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
When you search “C#” or “C++” in the keyword search field, the search renders to just “C” ... good time to finally learn a real programming language ... — rene 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mast
If sufficient content is self-deleted, an automatic flag will be raised as well. There are dashboards we can look at too. Raising a flag on content of theirs that wasn't deleted can work too. If that all fails and you've tried to contact a local mod in chat and that failed too, I know some mods will take a mod flag on their content to be notified. Make sure to add plenty of context in those cases or people get confused. If that still fails and there's a major problem, find a friendly mod from a different site and ask them for a recommendation. — Mast 27 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by isanae
"Ad blockers currently block the whole site from loading" I swear this means something, but I just can't put my finger on it... — isanae 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mast
If the problem is big enough, mods talk to each other a lot about a lot of different things. We have our tricks. And if that fails too, there's always the option of contacting the team. Defacing content is a license violation and if none of the mods are willing to act on that, there are bigger problems that could warrant poking someone about. — Mast 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
I don't know what cities in my state or surrounding states have tech jobs, that's why i'd use a job search site! why should i need to specify each city one by one? — Kevin B 47 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by francescalus
I understand "minimum" here, but given these issues, I suspect there's been a sneaky redefinition of "viable". — francescalus 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kevin B
@cafce25 that's why it's not the primary focus of the answer, ;) but the fact that we can't search by state means i can't select the city in my state. — Kevin B 18 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by cafce25
"I can't even search by state" is the second bullet in the OP no? — cafce25 1 min ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
@isanae Pretty much all buttons redirect to Indeed's page. Applying also requires an Indeed account. The entire implementation is an advert. Incredibly disappointing to see how hard the implementation was butchered compared to the old SO Jobs — Zoe 1 min ago
 
4:22 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by OpenAI was the last straw
This just takes the cake, doesn't it? Well, I'm out. — OpenAI was the last straw 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
powered by Indeed, is hosted by Jobbio ... are we now doing QA work for another for-profit company? Will Indeed and Jobbio devs participate here as well by sharing and resolving bugs in their technical offering? — rene just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by super-starball-ultra
"I feel like now". the things you're complaining about (licencing, account deletion) have been like that for a long time now... if you want bad, see meta.stackexchange.com/a/394774/997587super-starball-ultra 40 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by user1176409
@super-starball-ultra I haven’t see that before. — user1176409 just now
 
4:38 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Will
@Cerbrus you're relying on a very narrow, useless definition of a "copy". The print head of a photocopier doesn't "have any knowledge" about the origin of what it prints either. The result, in terms of flow of information from the source to output, is a copy. In anthropomorphised terms you might say an LLM doesn't itself copy per se but the training process is capable of memorisation in a form that enables recitation in the output. Humans who implement LLMs which do this are responsible for copying. — Will 15 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Luna
@Mast It is certainly not a license violation, don't be ridiculous. Yes, Stack Exchange technically has a license to the content, and it's against their rules to "deface" it, but not against the Creative Commons license itself. — Luna 23 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
Not worth an answer, but Stack Overflow Jobs is supposed to only be available in the US. Yet, I can load stackoverflow.jobs directly without a VPN, and I'm not US-based. It also loads fully after disabling my ad blockers. There's no jobs outside the US, but this seems like an oversight when the direct link to stackoverflow.jobs is likely to be shared without context elsewhere — Zoe 38 secs ago
 
5:00 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@Luna I'll "squint" and read "license" in this case as "Terms of Service", which it pretty much is. A ToS and licensed-use-of-the-site could be used interchangeably. I truly don't think Mast mean the CC license in that sentence. — NotTheDr01ds 16 secs ago
 
5:31 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Meta Andrew T.
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by wizzwizz4
Attn staff: user1937198 has identified a potential license violation with much weaker preconditions than in the original version of this question. This might not be as hypothetical a situation as I thought. — wizzwizz4 36 secs ago
 
5:46 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@MetaAndrewT. Great info - Thank you! I inferred some of this from Mast's info, but that's much more detailed. — NotTheDr01ds 12 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@MetaAndrewT. Any idea if the deletion triggers cross-site? Or does it only trigger if the user deletes multiple posts on one site? — NotTheDr01ds 9 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Meta Andrew T.
@NotTheDr01ds AFAIK, all auto flags only count on individual sites. I've never seen deletion auto flags on my sites though. — Meta Andrew T. 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@MetaAndrewT. Thanks - And bummer. It probably only helps on higher-volume sites then, and wouldn't trigger for the "one-offs" for this type of situation. — NotTheDr01ds 28 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Meta Andrew T.
While not strictly "made aware", there's also a limit of 5 deletions per day, and 10k "moderator tools" to check recently deleted posts. — Meta Andrew T. 52 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Dmitri
It appears that currently, StackOverflow will not allow us to delete our answers. The Verge reported on this today: theverge.com/2024/5/8/24151906/…Dmitri 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@MetaAndrewT. And unfortunately, while most don't notice, the 10k tools do not show self-deleted content, only content that was deleted by Mods or Community vote. — NotTheDr01ds just now
 
6:29 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by dan1st
@Dmitri This was that way before. You are not allowed to vandalize your posts. — dan1st 19 secs ago
 
6:41 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Hi Dave Koper, welcome to the Stack Exchange Network Meta site! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an expert's answer for the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — rene 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by General Grievance
Note: This is a thinly veiled attempt to circumvent the deletion prevention systems built into the site. There is no actual evidence to support the claims made in this post. — General Grievance 6 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
To support @GeneralGrievance's statement, you can follow the revision history on several of the user's posts on Stack Overflow, Ask Ubuntu, and Super User, to see that they have been deleting and defacing content in protest of this announcement. This is simply a new tactic in that goal. — NotTheDr01ds 40 secs ago
 
7:09 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Flexo
Not a bug, but almost none of the jobs I looked at have salaries listed which makes them mostly look like timewasters — Flexo 43 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Cerbrus
@Will you're nitpicking my terminology. My point is that while it is true that an LLM might output an exact replicate of some source text, it's just as likely to output something completely different for the exact same input, if you try it again. It could change terminology, or even hallucinate good-looking nonsense. But no, it doesn't "recite" training data. It doesn't work with large chunks of text from source to output. It works word-by-word. — Cerbrus 32 secs ago
 
7:36 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Sam Onela
Hi spunkyroe, welcome to Meta! I'm not sure which search brought you here but the problem you describe will not be answered on this specific site. To get an answer from users that have the expertise about the topic of your question you'll have to find and then re-post on the proper site. Check How do I ask a good question and What is on topic on the target site to make sure your post is in good shape. Your question is definitely off-topic on Meta and is better deleted here. — Sam Onela just now
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mokubai
"Socially responsible AI" is just yet another in a long line of buzzword laden excuses for previous bad behaviour. Like the blockchain that went before it, AI has monumental energy use for questionable gains, and is built on the ground of borderline abusing the people who contribute their time and money. The only people who won are those who screwed everyone over before the bubble burst. If it were "socially responsible" it would have paid the artists who contributed before they simply stealing everything they built their houses on. That they're now paying you money changes very little. — Mokubai 47 secs ago
 
7:49 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Mariano Zorrilla
Well... that's a terrible decision. Years making sure to moderate, provide help to devs, etc to get an "AI" to provide questionable responses from the years of free effort we all did here and using those as responses. — Mariano Zorrilla 8 secs ago
 
8:07 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
While it's true that as a user without the ability to see deleted posts it's difficult to raise flags on deleted posts, primarily because the system doesn't show you the post, it is possible for any user with the ability to raise flags on the site to raise an "in need of moderator intervention" flag on deleted posts. It can be done either through the SE API or through SE's internal flagging endpoint. — Makyen 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by VLAZ
That's because Brave has a built-in adblocker. That's already a known issue. — VLAZ 48 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Gantendo
@zcoop98 Because it is a lie... — Gantendo 33 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Troy Gould
Hard to tell from that link. Are you referring to the height/width of an image, or the file size? — Troy Gould ♦ 55 secs ago
 
8:30 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by ps2goat
The AI search was terrible, I doubt this will turn out well. I still had better results with <phrase> site:stackoverflow.com on google. — ps2goat 22 secs ago
 
8:52 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by George Stocker
"We could have a quality job site that we create and vet, or we could make more money by partnering with a shitty job site. Whatever shall we do?" - Stack Overflow Executives — George Stocker 31 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Makyen
Thanks for posting this. I got a good laugh out of the whole post. I particularly liked the ridiculous attempt to limit how it could be used in a court of law. — Makyen 57 secs ago
 
9:08 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by zcoop98
I'm beginning to realize that all I've really done here is accidentally rehash Catija's (better) answer... — zcoop98 55 secs ago
 
9:19 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rgettman
@isanae It means that Stack Overflow Jobs needs an ad blocker blocker. But then users will be able to use an ad block blocker blocker. — rgettman 49 secs ago
 
9:37 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by henning
@BryanKrause with respect for your work, I don't think they should. I haven't licensed content to "Open" AI. — henning 58 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by NotTheDr01ds
@Makyen Well, count one more user that now knows about it, at least - Thanks ;-) — NotTheDr01ds 8 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Bryan Krause
 
10:02 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Indeed has plenty of fake jobs. SE has plenty of profile spammers. That is a match made in heaven ... — rene 50 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Ryan M
10/10 name for a company that only exists in fake job postings, though. — Ryan M 36 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
It is not a new problem. Other Job boards experienced the same issue: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/395931/…rene 38 secs ago
 
10:29 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by rene
Can you link or quote where the partnership violates the license? — rene 36 secs ago
 
10:53 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by bta
@Peter - We don't know whether SE licensed the content under the same CC license or not, that's one of the open questions. They may have re-licensed it under something more company-friendly. That would be technically illegal, but the site's ToS includes mandatory arbitration so we couldn't really do anything about it if they tried. — bta just now
 
11:05 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Will
@Cerbrus depends on the prompt and the training whether it's true that a hallucination is "just as likely" as a recitation. Plenty of LLMs are well enough tuned that the word-by-word probability of completing a recitation if prompted with an explicit request for a particular one is not meaningfully less that 1. That the model has no concept of the extent to which its responses are recitations does not mean that they aren't recitations in the sense of the path between the original text and its appearance in the response. — Will 49 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Zoe
Reaching the deletion limit of 5 also triggers an autoflag. There's only so much we can check though, and obvious vandalism is easier to handle (because searching for "openai" is enough for many of the edits, and the destructive rest get caught by smokey). Deletions are tricker, but not impossible to manage. Not sure how lower-volume sites handle it though — Zoe 39 secs ago
 
11:38 PM
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by CPlus
Another thing I dislike about the tone of AI-content is the lack of certainty. I ask about a particular/obscure optimization on a specific platform and the response I get is 'That may improve the performance on some systems,' followed by generic patterns, nothing tailored to my specific question. — CPlus 42 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Kryomaani
@super-starball-ultra I have seen it. It does not answer any questions posed here. — Kryomaani 35 secs ago
[ Boson light ] New comment posted by Minijack
The fact that there is no way to opt out, or remove your contributions is insane and evil. — Minijack 7 secs ago
 

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