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12:12 AM
@mootinator You've won the dictionary
 
Hmm...it may just be pragmatic.
 
\o/
@GeorgeMarian A very practical word.
 
@mootinator Ironically, practical is the word that kept coming to mind and ultimately led me to it.
 
Uh-oh. Wife is home. And I haven't started cooking anything :O
 
My First Bacon is upside-down. ):
 
12:15 AM
@mootinator Hot pockets to the rescue! ;)
 
He wanted to greet you respectfully.
 
@RebeccaChernoff One of our cats will do that sometimes. I wonder if he's thinking "tripppy...."
 
One of your cats turns a My First Bacon upside-down?
(;
talented cat!
 
lol
I just realized something. If my noisy neighbors piss me off, I can always place my guitar amp against the wall that forms part of the hallway and just let 'er rip. :D
I sure wish I had my bass and bass amp; 150 watts of house shaking goodness.
 
12:35 AM
Hah, that would be interesting
Hmm, pizza needs to deliver itself faster. shakes fist
 
"Oh, I'm sorry was the noise bothering you? Funny how that is..."
Now, if I was a power cord, where would I be?
Lucky for them in my haste/laziness I grabbed the power cord from the amp to use for my computer, instead of digging out one of the ones I know I have in a box somewhere.
 
1:27 AM
The Game is a mental game where the objective is to avoid thinking about The Game itself. Thinking about The Game constitutes a loss, which, according to the rules of The Game, must be announced each time it occurs. It is impossible to win most versions of The Game; players can only attempt to avoid losing for as long as they possibly can. The Game has been variously described as pointless and infuriating, or as challenging and fun to play. Gameplay Rules There are three commonly reported rules to The Game: # Everyone in the world is playing The Game. (Sometimes narrowed to: "Everyb...
@GeorgeMarian there you go
 
Oh, in that case I was a shoe-in until just now. I'm royally effed from here on out. ;)
 
lol
Damn I love being able to make a change on five lines of code and have it affect the entire code-base
positively. a positive affect
 
Heh, I was gonna say that's easy enough to do, but you may not like the outcome.
 
Well I was hoping it wasn't going to be a lot of work to get this done. Fortunately it was five lines :D
I'm so much a slacker too, so I'm not gonna do my commits till in the morning so it doesn't show how late I was here goofing off :\
 
@jcolebrand That's always a good feeling.
@jcolebrand lol
 
2:20 AM
Evening.
That was interesting.
 
Met a former neighbor en route. Never spoke to him before (except once when he yelled at me for using the elevator instead of the stairs.) Now, he's all friendly. We spoke routers and ISPs. He works for Verizon.
Time to start lobbying my parents for FIOS.
In other news, I recently began rewriting my main app project from scratch. So many constants and enums...
Is it bad design to use constants all over the place?
 
@Moshe As opposed to what?
If you have large number of them that are a nightmare to manage, you may want to rethink the design. Maybe there's a simpler approach or something.
Otherwise, I don't think so. Look at PHP, it's swimming in constants.
 
2:38 AM
are you talking magic numbers or named constants?
for instance:
const int BAR_HEIGHT 3;

int x; x = BAR_HEIGHT;
that's considered acceptable
 
3:07 AM
I have about 30 constants in one file...
I have an enum with 44 values...
 
@Moshe so?
You didn't really answer my question
 
3:28 AM
@jcolebrand Okay, what do you mean by named constants vs magic numbers?
 
I just gave you an example
maybe I wasn't clear.
That was a named constant
a magic number would be int x; x=3;
so long as bar_height has meaning and is consistently applied, it's a named constant
 
@jcolebrand Ah, yea, then I'm using named constants.
Basically labeling things to make code more clear.
(Also has the added benefit of IDE autocomplete for longer snippets of constant code.)
 
I finished implementing my "corporate localization" stuff. Kinda disappointed MS didn't really anticipate that sort of thing.
 
@Moshe then that's sane.
 
Not missing a word, used the wrong one =)
 
3:31 AM
@mootinator Ok, just checking.
@jcolebrand Alright, thanks. Debugging some sunrise code. I think it's a regression...
 
I hate when my brain skips. my brain skips.
 
Aaaaargh! Seems like regression, but I can't remember what the original bug was...
 
Hello all
I really love Google+
 
@Chacha102 That's because you don't have me on it.
 
@mootinator You should add me
 
3:47 AM
should
 
I have decided that neither Robert Scoble nor Chris Prillo are actually interesting....
 
Heh
 
However, Chris is less interesting than Scoble, so only he gets the boot right now..
 
I like following Matthew Inman
 
I gotta say, one of the reasons I'm following the girl who created Google+ is because she is attractive...
That's not weird .. right?
 
3:54 AM
Nevar.
Ooo there are a lot of people on Google+ since last I used it.
 
@mootinator You should add me on Google+
 
@Chacha102 I'm not sure how to add someone by e-mail.
shameful admission
 
Just search for Tyler Carter
Or Tyler Chacha
 
Aha.
I started a hangout with my SE circle so I can hang out while I hang out.
:P
 
4:13 AM
insert appropriate yo dawg joke
 
Yo dawg.
 
yo
 
Yo-Yo Ma?
 
I herd you leik cello?
 
imma no leik chello
 
4:37 AM
Night!
 
@mootinator g'night
Is it just me, or does it seem like this question is a continuation of something?
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Q: Rebate vs Discount

ScaleOvenStoveI have many more details on this one, but this is the question in a basic form..This debate could be expanded on: what makes more sense? a. giving buyers a discount on pricing based on everything they would buy. (I suppose they could potentially buy more?) b. raising the price on items but gi...

 
@mootinator 'night
 
4:57 AM
Hmm... checks userscript to-do list
 
ha!
work Tim, work
 
Yeah, work on userscripts.
 
5:11 AM
Speaking of which, I know there's some work I should be doing. However, I feel like a turd warmed over.
 
Erm, @RebeccaChernoff?
 
Erm, @TimStone?
 
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Q: Anonymous (author?) field when answering questions, on one site, with Chrome + SE Modifications script.

OddthinkingI'm noticing a new anonymous field, which I suspect should be hidden. It appears when answering a question. Inspecting the field reveals it is an "author" field. Where does it happen: Me on meta.skeptics. I am mod, running Chrome on Windows One non-mod on meta.skeptics, running Chrome. One mod...

Somehow that's our doing? :/
Any chance you could take a look and see what that element is?
Oh, I guess it's clear enough in the screenshot.
Although I don't see where we'd be doing that, so. O_o
 
stop bother @RebeccaChernoff she is doing important things
 
:o
 
5:20 AM
Oh, sorry @TimStone. Apparently I need to get back to yelling at @Zypher.
 
Well, that is more important.
Although this is the second non-bug reported related to the script, someone is going to get in trouble. :P
 
2 floggings, 4 lashing, 8 beating, 16 insults, 32 burning
 
@Zypher wait, we can do floggings now?
 
absolutly
 
Argh, I always click "Comment and close" on Github when I just want Comment.
 
5:51 AM
Is there any discount on the purchase in stackoverflow store for high reputation users?
 
There isn't, no.
@TimStone Oh good, it seems that this wasn't our fault anyway.
 
6:25 AM
tsk tsk tsk How many changes did I make to this project w/o a commit. Sheesh.
 
@TimStone sweet
 
Well, by our fault I really meant my fault, since it might still be your (collective) fault. :p
Is the base Sketchy CSS supposed to be non-minified, do you know?
 
status-dunno
why?
 
6:31 AM
I just thought it was kind of weird.
That author field lives inside of .edit-block, and there's a definition for .edit-block { display: none; } in that CSS, thought maybe there was some sort of temporary CSS issue.
I also couldn't find anywhere in the JavaScript where that field is referenced, so I'm not sure what it's used for.
 
6:59 AM
Phew...finally! Now that's some commitment. About an hour's worth of commits at that.
Note to self: don't ever forget the commits!
 
@TimStone, answered.
 
@GeorgeMarian Wow, heh. I'm terrible at committing myself, although I blame that in part on Subversion being annoying.
@RebeccaChernoff Awesome. :)
 
I've said it before and i'll say it again: git add -i rocks!
Although, having to manually edit hunks can be difficult.
 
I wonder if the OP will remove the reference from the title before we get all that bad press ;)
 
do it yourself (:
 
7:03 AM
@TimStone I tend to get in the zone and forget the commits myself. That said, I'm not quite sure happened here. Those were a lot of changes.
Oh, yeah! I remember now. Most of those edits I made on my host, since I needed to be able to send email.
Ok, I guess that's not so bad then. Chalk it up to occupational hazard.
 
I'll give it a few minutes first. Laziness and what not.
 
Though, I guess that's one more reason to look into configuring my dev server so I can send email.
 
@GeorgeMarian Nah, could be much worse.
 
I'd still use my host for UAT, but that can just a be deploy step.
Any idea on how one would go about configuring an internal server to relay email through one's ISP?
I only have the vaguest idea of where to start.
I guess "email relay configuration" may be a good search phrase. heh
 
Hmm, my brain is a bit dead at the moment, but if you ask me again tomorrow I might have some ideas. Although I'm sure there's answers on a SE site or two that might be able to get you started sooner than that.
 
7:08 AM
Yeah, I'm sure this has been solved before. I'm just not quite sure what search terms to use.
Hmm...I like the multiple edit thing, but I kind of wish it was ctrl+up for previous messages.
ponders try to go to sleep, or get down to some actual work
 
@GeorgeMarian Shh, don't give them more ideas on how to break the script. ;)
 
Man, all that comitting wore me out.
 
@TimStone LOL
 
@GeorgeMarian Depending on exactly what you want, maybe this is in the ballpark?
 
7:13 AM
Hey, @Tim, sorry for the wrong attribution. If it is any consolation, I woke up to a text this morning that suggested the config changes I made to a server last night may have stopped the application working. 40 minutes panicking and looking at logs before I could categorically point the finger at an upstream supplier and relax. So I know the feeling, and I feel bad for giving it to you!
 
Hahah, don't worry about it. Digging into bugs (whether in code I'm involved in or not) is kind of a hobby of mine ;)
 
@TimStone That's an interesting possibility. Though, I just need to handle external email addresses. So, for example, Redmine can send emails for various events. That said, handling local email addresses does sound intriguing.
 
Ah
 
Man insomnia sure sucks. I know of one solution that would not involve pharmaceuticals. Alas, our legislative system is full of too much FUD.
 
Heh.I've been having a hard time sleeping too. I blame work stress, and a lack of beer.
 
7:24 AM
Hmm...alcohol may be another approach, but still not as effective and it could incur some undesirable side effects.
Alright, I think coding at this point would be horribly inefficient and full of frustration. I think I'm going to try the sleep thing.
g'night folks
 
G'night, see ya later.
 
Just a quick question, when I edit a question with the new inline editing, change the question title and save (I have edit privileges), shouldn't the <title> of the page be changed accordingly?
In other word, is it worth a feature-request/bug?
 
It's probably no more pedantic than what I posted earlier, so seems reasonable to me. Not sure if everyone will agree, though.
Although Chrome does have issues updating tab text, so that might be a point against it being worth implementing.
 
@t
@timStone
@TimStone hi timstone
h r u?
oh sorry , how are you>
 
Hello. I'm alright, how are you?
 
7:32 AM
@TimStone fine , did u remember me?
 
Sure
 
@TimStone iam quite busy with my office work for 1 month... that made me not even access this world
 
Ah, that doesn't sound like too much fun. I must go now though, time to try and sleep.
 
@TimStone oh.. no problem man... carryon
 
@TimStone 'night
 
7:36 AM
G'night
 
@TimStone good night sweat dreams :)
 
@Damodar sweet*
 
@Sathya thanks for correcting :)
oh my last access this site is jun 28th.....
 
8:06 AM
@TimStone It's magic!
In computer terminology, a honeypot is a trap set to detect, deflect, or in some manner counteract attempts at unauthorized use of information systems. Generally it consists of a computer, data, or a network site that appears to be part of a network, but is actually isolated and monitored, and which seems to contain information or a resource of value to attackers. Function A honeypot is valuable as a surveillance and early-warning tool. While it is often a computer, a honeypot can take other forms, such as files or data records, or even unused IP address space. A honeypot that masquera...
 
Wow, I left my speakers on surprisingly loud. Whoops.
Ahh :P
 
8:34 AM
Morning.
 
Hi @OctavianDamiean!
 
 
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9:52 AM
seems that SO is broken
error on any question open
 
@abatishchev ok for me
But I got a similar pb on security last day.
 
one of the servers is hitting our favorite ASP.NET bug; it's probably the server you're getting
Marc is restarting it at this very moment
 
@balpha which bug would that be?
 
annd?
 
@balpha I am not being able to login in chat.SE
 
Try to logout from the related SE site and log back again
 
Ah, yes. Media Temple. The only web host which requires me to hit refresh twice to actually see the changes.
 
10:44 AM
Sathya, Thanks
Vaibhav Jani, Ahamadabad, India
125 7
Why chat room name is different?
 
how do you mean, different?
 
Showing VaibhavAnilkumarJani here not Vaibhav Jani
 
@VaibhavAnilkumarJani if you edited it just now, it'll take some time for it to reflect
 
@Mvy works now
 
 
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12:33 PM
I found this amusing, in a sad sort of way: Apple Now Has More Cash Than The U.S. Government
 
Although the key was that Apple collects more money than it spends, that is hilarious...particularly as a non-US citizen...
Does anyone else begin to automatically start typing a t after s due to the stack related terminology around here? (tiredness likely)
 
heh
No, but a while ago I would add a random 'g' to the end of words.
 
@GeorgeMarian I'm doing some programming remotely and regularly you type much faster than it appears on the remote machine...so I guess you type ahead of yourself...
stupid psychology!
 
heh
Where is this remote machine? On the moon? ;)
 
@GeorgeMarian funny story...
 
12:48 PM
 
@YiJiang lol!
 
@davidsleeps Time to upgrade the tubes.
 
@GeorgeMarian slowly on its way: nbnco.com.au
@GeorgeMarian will be dead if i hold my breathe though...
 
12:53 PM
@GeorgeMarian I guess there goal is for Australia to be one giant happy LAN party...
 
For some reason and old Yahoo commercial just came to mind. IIRC, guys buys a bunch of pillows and lays them outside of his trailer to cushion the landing of something. (I don't recall what.) I'm not sure if this is the case, but for some reason I thought that was the Australian outback. :)
And with that, I bid you farewell. I'm going to try that thing called sleep again.
 
@GeorgeMarian enjoy! ads for yahoo...hilarious!
 
1:07 PM
I seem to have lost a mysterious 15 reputation without being able to see what it is.. which is odd, since I just did a re-calc yesterday.
 
1:20 PM
@Fosco you likely would have had one of your accepted answers "unaccepted"
 
That would explain it.. and I guess there's no way to show it since the link is no longer there...
 
 
1 hour later…
2:24 PM
When methods disappear... When projects stop building... It's time... to call in...
{Superhero}!!
</movieannouncervoice>
 
2:45 PM
Happy Sys Admin Day!
 
3:20 PM
Hey, is this where all the wizards live?
 
hm. Possible
 
3:59 PM
\O/ Fixed some bugs.
 
I approve of insect sterilization.
@TimStone, you around by any chance?
 
4:23 PM
@mmyers Yep, what's up?
 
@TimStone I'm doing some JavaScripty things. How do I trigger a function to run any time a chat message is posted or a user enters the room?
I'm just replacing "www.gravatar.com" with its IP address to work around a not-too-bright proxy filter, which is fine on the regular sites but doesn't work so well in chat.
 
Currently we're using livequery to monitor when messages are added to the chat list, but I suppose the more direct way in this case is to hook into the AJAX response event.
Lemme think what that might look like.
 
I tried copying some of the livequery usage from github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/blob/master/…, but it didn't trigger the function (I of course used the time-honored method of debugging - alert('Hi!')).
Wait, that's weird.
 
:o
 
Take 9, action.
It is triggering, it's just not running the replaceGravs function. Or is it?
It is not.
This is what I've got right now (minus the inject() and livequery() functions which I stole from the chat mods script):
inject(livequery, replaceGravs, function($) {
	$("#chat .message").livequery(function () { replaceGravs($); });
	$("#chat .message:not(.pending):not(.posted)").livequery(function () { replaceGravs($); });
});

function replaceGravs($) {
	$('img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function() {
		this.src = this.src.replace(/www.gravatar.com/, "72.233.61.125");
	});
}

jQuery(document).ready(replaceGravs(jQuery));
Probably a five-second fix for someone who knows their stuff, but I have no idea.
 
4:37 PM
Hmm
 
Have I mentioned that I'm much more comfortable with compilers than with browsers?
 
Your last function there should be inside your function ($) { }
 
Which one?
replaceGravs()?
 
jQuery(document).ready(replaceGravs(jQuery)); should go right above $("#chat .message") (and then you should remove the $("#chat .message") line)
 
Why is that?
It didn't work, but I'd like to follow your reasoning.
 
4:43 PM
You might also need to change jQuery to $, I'm not sure.
Well, the jQuery(document) bit has to be called after the script is injected into the page.
 
That part was working already.
 
So you need to put it inside of one of the functions that is, otherwise it's stuck in the userscript sandbox.
Really?
 
It already replaces all gravatars that are present when it's run, but chat messages are loaded separately.
 
Oh, well in that case I'm just trying to make myself look like an ass I guess. :P
 
I've never written more than six lines of JavaScript at a time before.
 
4:45 PM
Alright, let's figure out why it isn't changing new images first, and then there are some performance concerns that are probably worth addressing afterward.
So you said that the livequery handlers are triggered, but their call to replaceGravs isn't working quite right?
 
I added an alert() after the replaceGravs call and it didn't fire. I removed the replaceGravs and left the alert and it did fire.
 
Oooh.
Heh
Try this:
    inject(livequery, function($) {
        $("#chat .message").livequery(function () { replaceGravs($); });
        $("#chat .message:not(.pending):not(.posted)").livequery(function () { replaceGravs($); });

        function replaceGravs($) {
            $('img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function() {
                this.src = this.src.replace(/www.gravatar.com/, "72.233.61.125");
            });
        }

        jQuery(document).ready(replaceGravs(jQuery));
    });
..
 
What's the difference?
 
I was getting reference errors in the Inspector Console because your livequery handlers couldn't see the replaceGravs function, since it was in the userscript sandbox.
Which browser are you using, by the way?
 
Hey, wait. Something just happened.
That looks like what I had except without the replaceGravs argument to inject(), and now it works!
Chromium 14 nightly from probably three weeks ago.
You're right, it is kind of slow on the replacement.
 
4:58 PM
Ah, alright :)
Yeah, the problem is that right now, you're scanning the entirety of images in the document each time a new message is posted.
So, you might want to do this instead:
 
I was hoping that scanning was quicker than replacing, since it's only going to be replacing one or two at a time after the first batch.
 
function replaceGravs() { // We don't need the $ parameter anymore
    $(this).closest('.monologue').find('.avatar img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function () {
        this.src = this.src.replace(/www.gravatar.com/, "72.233.61.125");
    });
}
(then we'll need to handle the gravatars in the sidebar separately)
But, since you know you're listening for each message, you can operate on each monologue on a case-by-case basis, searching for and potentially updating only one gravatar per message.
This should even work on the initial load, because the messages you see originally are pulled as a separate activity after the page loads.
(so as far as livequery is concerned there's no difference between that and someone posting a new message)
 
I made it into a separate function:
inject(livequery, function($) {
	$("#chat .message").livequery(function () { replaceGravsLive(); });
	$("#chat .message:not(.pending):not(.posted)").livequery(function () { replaceGravsLive(); });

	function replaceGravsLive() {
		$(this).closest('.monologue').find('.avatar img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function () {
			this.src = this.src.replace(/www.gravatar.com/, "72.233.61.125");
		});
	}

	function replaceGravs() {
		$('img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function() {
Didn't work. Did I break it?
 
Hmm
Seems to have worked for me.
 
Also, just getting the avatar for the most recent chat message isn't sufficient. The avatars in the present users list seem to refresh whenever they move to the front of the list.
Although that's easy enough to fix.
 
5:14 PM
Alright, lemme get caffeine so I stop messing you up even more, heh. Sorry about that.
 
I added this to replaceGravsLive():
$('#present-users').find('.avatar img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function () {
	this.src = this.src.replace(/www.gravatar.com/, "72.233.61.125");
});
It is running correctly.
 
Oh...
OK, I think I know why there are issues with what I suggested. One sec.
 
5:39 PM
@mmyers The problem was I wasn't being meddling enough :)
Try this:
inject(function($) {
    window._gravatarUrl = window.gravatarUrl;
    window.gravatarUrl = function (c, d, b) {
        return fix(window._gravatarUrl(c, d, b));
    }

    $(document).ready(function () {
        $('#present-users').find('img[src^="http://www.gravatar.com/avatar/"]').each(function () {
            this.src = fix(this.src);
        });
    });

    function fix(url) {
        return url.replace(/www\.gravatar\.com/, "72.233.61.125")
    }
});
 
What are you two doing? Working out how to use an alternate gravatar site besides gravatar.com?
 
Instead of trying to monitor everything yourself, it's easier just to hijack balpha's functions and return your fixed URL >:)
 
@TimStone You... You killed... What have you done with all my code?
Will this work only on chat?
 
whistles innocently
Yeah, you'd need to use the image scanning method on the main site.
 
OK, testing now.
Excellent. Beyond excellent. It even fixes gravatars in the user profile popup.
 
5:44 PM
I think it'll even work for the gravatars as they fly into the room.
 
@jcolebrand His work has an issue with gravatar.com, but only the host, not the IP. :P
 
@TimStone it should. Yes.
@TimStone ahhhhhhhh
@Moshe this is not a surprise
 
This is incredibly lame.
 
@TimStone Mmm... it appears not, unless Shog9 has turned into a white block today.
 
5:49 PM
He has.
(shh, no one tell him)
 
But I've got a bookmarklet I can click to fix everything.
 
Apple requires a DUNS to sell apps outside of the App Store as an Enterprise. Meh.
 
We should ask him. @Shog9 have you turned into a block of painfully brilliant sunlight pouring in through the window?
@Moshe again, things which are not surprising
most Enterprise shops won't even talk to you as a vendor without a DUNS
 
@jcolebrand That's not surprising, but it looks like D&B can be a bit shady.
(Based on what I've seen online.)
 
meh, it's a credit bureau, what're you gonna do?
 
5:51 PM
I need to get in and out with a DUNS while not paying any hidden fees? Not gonna happen?
 
@mmyers Hmm, once it was in the sidebar though, did it fix itself?
 
No, oddly.
I should have inspected the element before I refreshed the page and ruined everything.
 
Interesting. I have the correct URL right now, but since gravatar.com works for me I don't know if it was correct when he was flying in.
 
Want to jump out and back in?
 
Sure
Let's hope the room doesn't implode
 
5:54 PM
I'll hold it open.
 
Any luck?
 
Missed the actual falling bit, but it did show up fine once it was in the list.
 
@TimStone I'd just edit the hosts file to kill gravatar.com (;
 
I'll try leaving now.
 
5:56 PM
@RebeccaChernoff I imagine if his work is blocking gravatar that's a non-option :p
 
I meant for you. For testing.
 
Oh. Stop talking logic!
 
My own falling animation looks fine, so I don't know what was the deal with Shog's.
I can't edit the hosts file anyway.
 
Maybe your company just filters him personally, by default.
 
@mmyers I didn't mean for you to.
 
5:58 PM
@TimStone A wise move, no doubt.
 
nods
 
@RebeccaChernoff I know. But if you had, Tim would have been right.
 
@RebeccaChernoff I don't know what this is, but it looks scary.
 
Tim being right could likely be catastrophic for the world.
lol, someone linked me to it
 
Hey!
 
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