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4:00 PM
Well, to quote myself from the last time a voting debate came up:
Feb 23 at 4:34, by Michael Mrozek
My voting pattern shifted somewhat; the only thing I can do is say "this post is good", "this post is bad", or "meh"; there's no way to say "this post is **badass**", so I started upvoting less and saving upvotes for really good posts
I just realized "this" doesn't work. I hate the mini-markdown parser
Er....apparently now it does?
 
@MichaelMrozek Hmmm? helloworld
 
@MichaelMrozek Now even this works. There was some changes.
 
Ah, they updated the minimarkdown parser with the one they rolled out on SE proper
 
It's a *test*…
 
4:01 PM
@MichaelMrozek \o/
 
Hmm, doesn't work well with special Unicode chars.
\o/
 |
/ \
 
Feb 23 at 20:25, by balpha
meeeooww
Feb 23 at 20:25, by balpha
(oh yes, bold and italic together works now)
 
@Nyuszika7H We should definitely post that a fourth time :P
And then there's the two people who sent it to me on IRC, and the two RSS feeds that linked to it. Who knew so many people were interested in watching Windows install -- I got my fill of that ten years ago
 
Here's my take on voting:
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Q: What does voting mean and why is it important?

Rebecca ChernoffNow that we have graduated out of beta status, the rep requirement levels have bumped up to that of a normal site. This is expected, and a good thing. However, our users' rep levels are not high enough to self-police the community without moderator action. The root of this is caused by a low l...

 
4:09 PM
My "recommended me a datacenter" room was deleted. I thought chat was an acceptible place to ask for reccomendations but I was apparently wrong
 
Hello there
Ah @TheRenamedException, I suppose you didn't had time for the userscript, or forgot, so I will renew my request for you or any interested here.
 
@TheRenamedException who deleted it?
 
@Eldros it's been a less-than-stellar morning here
in The Comms Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 14 mins ago, by Chopper3
maybe a bit localised, and a shopping queston really
 
@TheRenamedException Not blaming you, and you are surely not the only person able to do something like that
 
@TheRenamedException Weird... was it on chat.SE?
 
4:13 PM
@badpssockpuppet yes, apparently he tought it was off topic
 
@badpssockpuppet He's a SF mod isn't he?
 
@TheRenamedException I can undelete it for you then
 
no it's OK
 
So really when you say "it was deleted", you meant "one person didn't like it so I deleted it"?
 
I just was surprised when he complained, that's all
 
4:14 PM
While I have no interest in personally participating in @TheRenamedException's room, I do think it should be undeleted.
 
@RebeccaChernoff heh, sorry, I'm not in a great mood. What I mean is, I created it and was chastised by a mod, so I told them they could undelete it if they felt it was a mistake
I'll stop complaining now
 
@TheRenamedException this applies to things on the sites. While some rules apply in both (profanity etc), I don't see how people can think all rules do. No subjectivity here guys silence forever
 
If we can have a room dedicated to choosing your new gravatar, and a room whose sole purpose is to farm stars, we can probably have a shopping recommendation room
 
I always thought that chat was a perfectly okay place for recommendation and bad subjective stuff
 
4:17 PM
@Nyuszika7H So that's where Super Mario Bros. secret rooms come from!
 
Seriously?
how many times is that now you've posted that star room?
 
@ircmaxell I've never seen it before.
 
@PopularDemand Then you haven't been in here very long
 
@RebeccaChernoff et all, sorry, I feel like I'm handling this badly. I should not be in chat in such a mood, LOL
Please ignore me, I don't want to make trouble for anyone
 
@balpha Huh... which room did you post that in?
 
4:19 PM
@TheRenamedException I don't; tell the mod to deal with it and undelete it. Chat rooms have never needed to follow the same rules as questions
 
Chopper3's been very helpful to me before
 
@YiJiang this one
 
@YiJiang This one? There's a link
 
I see nothing wrong with the room. I'd undelete it if you asked me to. shrugs
 
otherwise it would say "in XYZ"
 
4:20 PM
@MichaelMrozek Ah, yes. Same room = no room name
 
So here it is for those interested:
yesterday, by Eldros
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Q: Sorting related accounts by reputation

EldrosMore and more sites are coming into the SE family. As such, when going into the accounts tab of some users, there is sometimes quite a big number of associated accounts. Until now, they are displayed in a random "arbitrary" order, but it could be useful to be able to sort them by reputation, to s...

yesterday, by Eldros
That's the feature for which I would like a userscript by the way
I would have pinged StackApps but last time I checked, there weren't a lot of activity here.
 
Ugh I wish that was in core, not a userscript.
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@RebeccaChernoff so do I
 
I used to think they were in the order you associated, and cleared my associations so I could manually associate them in the order I wanted, and then the order fell apart again and I was sad
 
But I'll do with what is available
 
4:23 PM
I just got a crazy idea - use Dropbox to sync my Thunderbird profile across all the computers I work on
The only problem with the idea: somehow I had accumulated 1.1gb of stuff in my profile.
 
@PopularDemand: fair enough. I've seen it at least 5 times today already
 
I'm not sure why it's that big - even Firefox 4.0's profile folder is only .5 gb, and most of it is only cache data
I have... uh, 244mb of mail in my Trash folder
 
How does the SE staff handle feature request? Those with the most votes get the most attention, amiright?
 
Ah, found the 'compact folders' option
Still 600+ mb of mail
Wow, that's... more mail than I'd thought I'd got
 

Room owner message stars bug

Feb 11 at 12:19, 5 minutes total – 7 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Feb 11 at 12:26 by Yi Jiang

I can't see that option either in my rooms, only on the sidebar (starred messages).
 
4:30 PM
@Nyuszika7H Yes, that is correct, and apparently [status-bydesign]
 
@YiJiang :/
 
I missed the sidebar menu option, which is why I was so confused
 
Now undoing all stars in that Star Room :)
Badges can't be un-awarded, right?
 
@Nyuszika7H Depends on the type, but generally they can't
 
4:34 PM
in Star Room on Stack Overflow Chat, 1 hour ago, by Greg
Someone needs to find something more constructive to do with their time
 
Example: in a room, a message gets starred 10 times, and its poster gets the Talkative badge. Does s/he keep it even if I cancel its stars?
I wonder, is there a way to quickly clear all stars?
 
This is impressively close to "what's the most efficient method to cheat our way to a Talkative badge and then cover up the evidence?"
 
@balpha Could you please delete this room?
 
with pleasure
 
So going now.
 
4:38 PM
@balpha (:
 
See you around people.
 
I love surveys.
"On a scale from 1 to 10, 1 being awesome 10 being simply orgasmic, how good of a job would you say the government is doing?"
 
Hm, how did you access same-domain iframes again?
 
@badpssockpuppet just like any other dom element
 
@mootinator I don't think you're supposed to love surveys quite that much.
 
4:44 PM
I'm sure @GeorgeEdison mentioned yesterday that it's legal to, so I tried to insert a iframe in a page; "$('iframe').children()" gives []
 
.contents() is the magic word
 
@PopularDemand :O
 
I see.
Hm, I guess jQuery won't like that.
 
(at least that's what I've been using, and it works)
 
although $($("iframe").contents()).find("whatever") works, so it's not too bad.
 
4:46 PM
@Eldros that'd be a general way of looking at it. I'm not sure I've seen a feature request for that - is there one?
 
@badpssockpuppet $('#iframe').contents().find('whatever') works too
 
@mootinator Even if I thought it was good, I don't think I'd ever even think of describing it as orgasmic :-P
 
@ircmaxell I was satirizing the lack of any negative options in a lot of market research surveys.
 
+----------------------------------------+
| The Tavern Survey: Meta Stack Overflow |
| +------------------------------------+ |
| | 1. What's your favorite drink?     | |
| | +--------------------------------+ | |
| | | Beer                           | | |
| | | Vodka                          | | |
| | | Water                          | | |
| | | Tea                            | | |
| | | Coffee                         | | |
| | | Other (please specify)         | | |
| | +--------------------------------+ | |
 
@mootinator I know
 
4:53 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann Hi! Your name is really long.
 
@Nyuszika7H you don't have to type all of it though ;-P
and hi
 
@balpha Please remove this room too, it was for testing, and it's no longer needed.
 
@mootinator "balpha: great moderator, or the greatest moderator?"
 
@PopularDemand both
 
@balpha and this room too please
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4:56 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann LOL
 
nice try :)
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann agree 100% q:
 
@balpha And this user please
 
@RebeccaChernoff Heretic!
 
5:00 PM
pfft
 
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Q: One can revoke access from itself in chat rooms

Nyuszika7HOnce I've accidently selected no special access for myself in a room I was owner of, and it worked. This should definitely be fixed to prevent future accidents. Or is this a feature?

 
Dammit. I'm out of votes on MSO >_<
 
@Nyuszika7H Multiple personalities: supported!
@RebeccaChernoff Stop spending so much time on balpha's Apr 1 question, then. Can't you just will yourself some more votes, anyways?
 
@PopularDemand lol. I find myself voting for questions more than answers on MSO.
 
How do you manage that?
Has there even been enough new MSO content today to give all the votes to? :P
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5:03 PM
?
 
She can multi-upvote the same question... it's a mod feature
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@KlausByskovHoffmann Ah, of course! I'm ashamed I didn't think of that.
 
Oh, nice! 2 upvotes in 2 mins!
 
@RebeccaChernoff Can't you also will yourself Electorate?
 
hmm
wonder how close I am to that
 
5:06 PM
!kitten givebadge Electorate RebeccaChernoff
 
@RebeccaChernoff Well, you have DB access. Pull the raw data and feed it to Wolfram Alpha.
 
@Nyuszika7H you scared me - I thought that thing was in here.
 
@RebeccaChernoff (:
 
@PopularDemand ...Using this special, non-data-sniffing proxy we've set up, of course.
 
@Nyuszika7H write a user script that can do that and I'll sticker you big time ;-P
 
5:10 PM
@TimStone I like that nobody complained about Wolfram Alpha not knowing how to perform such an esoteric calculation.
 
@PopularDemand I thought maybe they integrated jQuery.
 
Coding Kitten, Kitten valley.
116 1 5
 
Oh I'm well aware.
 
@Nyuszika7H I don't "get" that user. Is it your sockpuppet? Some Internet joke I don't know about? Why is it so special that you keep mentioning it?
 
@PopularDemand No, it's a chatbot made by Ivo Wetzel.
 
5:15 PM
@Nyuszika7H Ah.
 
grumbl
 
5:36 PM
@badpssockpuppet What are you hrming?
 
@PopularDemand I take it you don't goto the SO javascript room often
 
@TheRenamedException You're welcome
 
Nippon: Game of the Year edition
 
5:54 PM
dude
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@badpssockpuppet that was you? Thank you!
 
and lunch
 
DEADBEEF
 
6:15 PM
@drachenstern - Bug Noted. Thanks for those bug reports.
I'm actually using integers. I should be using LongLong though...
 
6:32 PM
3 +1's away from Convention
 
@ircmaxell ...
 
6:48 PM
1001 +1's away from the unregistered-users gold badge
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann what?
 
ya?
Yay!
 
0
Q: Was I not seen talking?

Klaus Byskov HoffmannThis is just a minor logical error, but still. It could be fixed by outputting seen as min(seen, talked) I assume.

 
Sup meta
 
7:07 PM
Wow, 2 developers gone in a week... 3 more left till I'm alone...
 
@ircmaxell are you not being nice to your colleagues?
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann No, it's our managing director who's not being nice
 
@ircmaxell ouch :-(
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann should be tagged: [did-i-stutter]
 
7:10 PM
yeah, he's actually been good to me, which is odd
then again, I do have both more experience and far more responsibility than any of the other developers... So that could explain it
 
@ircmaxell well, the best resources are usually the last to be let off when the budget is tightening
@Shog9 :-)
 
@ircmaxell No, you're next if you keep up chatting instead of working. :P
 
Well, they cut our QC department all together (1 person, but still, no more QC)
 
best in terms of performance/cost that is
 
@Moshe: I have permission to be here
 
7:13 PM
@ircmaxell Really? Cool.
 
it's called continuing education
 
@ircmaxell heh
 
obviously this is a bit of a stretch
 
Anyone know a good two way encryption for MySQL?
 
but it's similar to 20% time at google. I arranged a system where I can spend my down time doing whatever I want as long as it makes me better at what I do...
(conferences, open source participation, etc)
 
7:15 PM
participating on SO is a great way to learn, even if you are one that answers a lot questions
 
Well, as they say, the best way to learn is to teach. I do learn something every day I'm on here
 
I, for example, have a php bronze badge but have never written a line of php code (well except for those lines in my answers obviously)
 
Yay! My Xoom is at home! now, how to leave work early... :-D
 
@ircmaxell Yay!
 
2:30 more... (well, I do have some comp time, so I'll leave at 4:30)
 
7:21 PM
are there any good apps for xoom?
 
Does anyone here know about two way PHP encryption?
@KlausByskovHoffmann According to Steve Jobs, there are about 100 of em
 
@Moshe Do you mean encrypting php code, or php support for two way encryption?
 
@mootinator Encrypting data in a DB and then reading it later
php support for two way encryption
 
@Moshe heh...
 
@Moshe What sort of data...
 
7:25 PM
@Shog9 Er, why?
:-)
 
@Moshe you can use openssl
 
Cause if it's credit cards we can tell you not to bother :P
 
with an assymetric key pair
 
@mootinator Why not bother?
 
@Moshe PCIDSS certification is difficult.
 
7:26 PM
We can also tell you not to bother if it's passwords
 
@mootinator I am not looking for certification.
Not worth encrypting?
 
but mostly, I just want to link to a bunch of SO questions
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Q: 2-way encryption in PHP - need some guidance

EmmySI'm working on my first secure shopping site. We're not storing credit card data, so that's not a problem. However, we do have a transaction key and API login key for our payment gateway (authorize.net) that I'd prefer to keep in a database, rather than hard-coding into my php. I don't know that ...

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Q: An interesting Encryption Problem

CrimsonHi Guys, I have an interesting encryption problem at hand. I do not know if it can be solved but here goes: A database is to contain sensitive user information. As such, the user information must be encrypted (two way encryption). The user has a login / password and these may be used in the two...

 
@Moshe Okay, most people are scared off by the: "What do merchants have at risk if credit card information is breached? Fines up to $500,000 per incident."
 
@mootinator I did push the PCI standard here as the reason they have to stop emailing things
 
Aha.
 
7:32 PM
So I offered to set up a DB
I want to do this right, if possible.
 
Well then, progress :)
 
I'm slightly concerned that the person in charge of grading my programming assignments can't write a grading script that handles floats correctly: sprunge.us/TEPd
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We could always come steal some credit card information, maybe that'd persuade them...
 
@Moshe: what are you trying to encrypt? CC data?
 
@TimStone Er, don't
@ircmaxell Yea
 
7:34 PM
@MichaelMrozek and you should be
 
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Q: PHP 2-way encryption: I need to store passwords that can be retrieved

gAMBOOKaI am creating an application that will store passwords, which the user can retrieve and see. The passwords are for a hardware device, so checking against hashes are out of the question. What I need to know is: How do I encrypt and decrypt a password in PHP? What is the safest algorithm to enc...

 
The numbers are stored, billed and then trashed
 
Well, here's what I would do:
I would have a site specific key that stored outside of PHP (store it in an environmental variable or some such
And I would have a per-record key that's randomly generated on insert (and stored with the encrypted data)
 
@ircmaxell Like a salt?
@ircmaxell I don't understand
 
Then, take a hmac of the site key with the record key. Append that to the site key and the record key and use that long key as the actual encryption key
 
7:36 PM
Are all mods on meta inside people ?
 
Similar to a salt...
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann hang on serious convo here, hang on
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann ...I hope not, that sounds a bit dirty.
 
@TimStone haha
 
@ircmaxell Hrm... How complicated is that.
 
7:37 PM
The point is that they would need to steal both keys to get access
 
dammit... Would someone else reject this so I can edit it properly? Shoulda clicked improve...
 
Well, in pseudo code:
 
@ircmaxell (Psuedo code first) Then how do I decrypt?
 
use mcrypt
 
@Shog9 Ah, I was too late.
@KlausByskovHoffmann What did you mean though, like SOIS employees?
 
7:38 PM
Ok, so in pseudo:
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann I rather suspect random is a great outdoorsman, but have no proof.
 
@irc Can we move this to PHP room? I missed you there before.
 
@TimPost yes, like people that have access to the source code.
 
sure
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann oh. Then no. Most of them are just mods on other sites.
AFAIK, Kyle is a mod because he ran a SO message board prior to Meta's introduction, and Joel is a mod because he was a mod on UserVoice
 
7:40 PM
Ok, so if I post a feature-request, for example, and some mod with a 40k rep answers saying, yeah, that is a great idea. That should definitely be implemented, then in reality I have no idea if that was just the ramblings of a mad man or if it will eventually be implemented?
succintly implying that mods are mad men... i know... sry
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann Well, no... But only because the only mod with >= 40k rep on Meta is Jeff, who owns the site.
 
yeah I know who Jeff is, 40K was a bad number then.
 
OTOH, if I tell you that some feature is a great idea and should definitely be implemented, you can pretty much guarantee it won't be... But, I'm not a Meta mod.
 
So what is the process that determines which requests/bugs get implemented and which do not? Is it even public?
 
If a [feature-request] has the [status-planned] tag, there's a decent chance it'll be implemented at some point.
 
7:45 PM
@Shog9 ok, I see. And that's about it? No timelines or the like?
 
No.
Best way to get something implemented? Sweet-talk @waffles into doing it.
mmm... sweet waffles...
Thanks, Klaus - now I'm all hungry.
 
So we can't know if they are working on new "big" features either? I mean if they are not fixing bugs/implementing requests/making the site look horrible on iPad we are just left in the dark
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann It's 1/4th part good idea, 1/4th part practical to implement, and 1/2 Jeff.random()
 
@Shog9 hehe... go eat some waffles then. You have my permission and may be excused. But only for that
 
FWIW:
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Q: Allow the community to influence development of SO features explicitly

tvanfossonAlong the same lines as the recent moderator votes, I'd like to see the SO team put up signficant new features or changes for votes before implementing them. The votes and comments would serve as feedback to the planned features. This feedback would be used in conjunction with the team's intern...

@KlausByskovHoffmann You'll know if they talk about it. Which they do. Sometimes. But not always, and not always on Meta.
 
7:48 PM
@TimStone hehe, yeah, I guess that's how software development usually is... a good thing that Jeff's randomness is better than most bosses'
 
When all else fails, you can always bribe @RebeccaChernoff with cookies.
 
or Moshe with stickers... but only for scripts ;-)
 
I also accept cookies. But you get nothing in return
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann Nippon: Game of the Year Edition (Actually, I want a t-shirt too.)
 
@MichaelMrozek Is the Town Hall being absurdly early tomorrow your doing by the way?
 
7:51 PM
/status coding
 
@MichaelMrozek I have one for localhost you can have: path: / name: psid content: BuOzQo9MfK. It will log you right into my sandbox project
 
@TimStone I have no control over these things, that's all @RebeccaChernoff
 
@Moshe is that something you work on?
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann The status userscript? No that's @TheRenamedException.
 
@MichaelMrozek Well, surely someone's schedule is to blame. I have a hard time she willingly made it that early unless there was no other available time slot. :P
 
7:53 PM
@Moshe, no, the Nippon thing that you keep posting
 
@TimStone Oh. My schedule wasn't great this week, so that's probably part of the problem. That certainly wasn't the only available time I had, but she had to organize around 7 schedules
 
I'll stick with blaming you then, since I haven't looked at who the other candidates are.
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann Oh yea itunes.com/apps/nippon
 
Is it just me or was there never a result posted of the moderator election? I mean there was a big info bar asking me to vote (twice) but there was no * in your face* info about who got elected.
for SO
 
@MichaelMrozek Sounds like your fault for not eliminating more of the competition by now.
 
7:55 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann There was a blog post.
@PopularDemand He should have broken a few more knee caps, surely.
 
@TimStone weird... why would they assume that everyone reads the blog? They didn't post the vote links on the blog.
 
Well, the results are available on the site itself too. I guess it's assumed that if you voted, you cared, and if you cared, you knew where to look. Whether that's adequate enough, eh shrugs
 
I cared enough to vote, but not enough to look for the results, obviously :-)
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann For reference: the results
 
I know it only compares so-so but when the president of the united states is elected, the only place you can read about it is not on thewhitehouse.gov. It's in your face :-)
@TimStone thanks
 
8:01 PM
@KlausByskovHoffmann Yeah, but "US President" isn't as important as "SO Moderator." They know people will be interested enough to look up the mod results themselves. You're the exception that proves the rule.
 
@PopularDemand that's what I meant when saying that it only compares so-so
 
@KlausByskovHoffmann That's... quite the high opinion about SO.
 
@PopularDemand I think it's safe to say that most people here have high opinions of SO
 
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A: What is it like to be a high-rep user?

Jon BWhat is this "Stackoverflow" you're talking about? Is that some kind of sister site to Meta?

 
8:17 PM
(In a police officer's voice) Evening gentlemen, there have been reports of Flags. Have you noticed anything unusual?
 
3
Q: How can we improve commenting on the Stack Exchange network?

Popular DemandThe problem Over the past few weeks, I've been thinking on-and-off that there are too many useless comments on SE sites and that people have gotten too attached to commenting. Many comments I see fall into one of these categories: requests for clarifications or updates responses to the above r...

oh you
 
@Shog9 As you know, I have never been one to listen to you.
Except on the topic of carrot cake. Yum.
 
Ah, I need to make more of that. Just bought another bag of carrots...
Also bought a bag of frozen blueberries. Blueberry pie! And... blueberry waffles...
 
If you never got around to the apple ketchup, it was delicious.
 
Haven't yet, but haven't forgotten - just waiting for the right mood.
(I'm thinking... Grilled porkchops!)
 
8:26 PM
@Shog9 I did oven-baked porkchops. It worked pretty well. Turned into a glaze-like coating in there.
 
Jin
greetings
 
@Jin Hello, there.
 
Jin
yay launch date
i'm gonna treat myself pho after this
 
@Jin Ooh. It's loaded up and waiting for another CTRL+F5.
 
Jin
time for my "congrats on the launch and bombard me with css bugs plz" post...
 
8:34 PM
What's launching today?
 
Jin
Home Improvement. should make @ChrisF happy
 
@Jin one less sketchy favicon!
 
Jin
@RebeccaChernoff yeah. it will be a screwy favicon though
 
@Jin Ah, nice :)
 
8:37 PM
@Jin Very nice, looks good.
 
@Jin Yay! Ah, but I'm not 10K yet :(
 
It is definitely a nice one. Looks kinda like you reversed the color scheme for Sketchy, though.
Awesome badges.
 
@Jin Oh, wow... I'd forgotten all about that site. Congrats to all involved!
 
Jin
@PopularDemand i almost went with a full blueprint bg... but after physics, i'll never do another dark theme :)
 
@Jin: don't listen to the haters. Physics is The Best Theme.
 
Jin
8:39 PM
@Shog9 well, dark theme is tricky and risky..
 
@jin Very nice
 
Jin
i respect the users. after all they're the ones who actually frequent the site. not me.
 
@Jin Yeah, and most users like light themes, I know. That's why Ars Technica sucked for several years, because most users got their way. But screw 'em, I like the dark.
 
@Jin Time to propose Dark Colors SE....
 
@Jin I saw all of the complaints about "white on black" and then went "....That's definitely dark grey."
 
8:42 PM
@All: help me think of more useless comments to post on Pops' question.
 
@Shog9 Purely useless? Useless and witty? Useless and snarky? Give us some parameters here.
 
@PopularDemand No.
Use mine as templates, if you must
 
Hi! :)
 
disappointed in the lack of misguided tavern creativity, leaves for peanutbutter-and-jam sandwich
 
8:58 PM
Most people suck.
 
@Jin aww.
That sounds like design by commitee.
 

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