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8:00 PM
Not to be Bill Clinton about it, but 'easy to understand code' is highly subjective.
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Read that, and see 15 people talk about reading code and writing readable code
Frances Allen: Pioneer in optimizing compilers, first woman to win the Turing Award (2006) and first female IBM fellow
Joe Armstrong: Inventor of Erlang
Joshua Bloch: Author of the Java collections framework, now at Google
Bernie Cosell: One of the main software guys behind the original ARPANET IMPs and a master debugger
Douglas Crockford: JSON founder, JavaScript architect at Yahoo!
L. Peter Deutsch: Author of Ghostscript, implementer of Smalltalk-80 at Xerox PARC and Lisp 1.5 on PDP-1
Brendan Eich: Inventor of JavaScript, CTO of the Mozilla Corporation
 
Argh, copy failed (again!)
 
@DanGrossman I may have to buy that book... Thanks Dan.
 
@Josh you seem to have bad luck with computers the past few days
 
@DanGrossman s/days/years/g
:-)
On the upside, this means I can safely reboot my laptop now...
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Q: Suspending my laptop breaks ethernet over firewire, are there commands which can fix it?

JoshAs mentioned in this question I am using a firewire cable to provide a private network between my laptop and my desktop, because it makes using the screen sharing program synergy much nicer than using WIFI. However when I leave my office for the day and I suspend my laptop, when I return the nex...

BRB
 
Sorry, but I have actual coding to do... :)
 
lol
 
heh.
 
Oh, what was the quote...
 
Fosco, where in PA do you live?
 
8:09 PM
@DanGrossman Northeast.
 
> If you haven't got the time to do it right, when will you find the time to do it over? -- Jeffrey J Mayer
 
 
Anyone ever used Google App Engine?
 
@Fosco: Where NE? Near the NJ border?
 
Ah, it's nice to have a reliable mouse and keyboard again :-D
 
8:11 PM
@ircmaxell Wilkes-barre / Scranton Area.
 
Ahh, My brother lives up in that general area (he manages a hotel in Scranton)
 
The Radisson?
 
I don't think so. They just got bought out. I think it's a Marriott now or something like that
 
ah
 
8:12 PM
I'm in central Jersey myself (about 2 hours from you)
 
1 hour ago, by Tyler Chacha
Now we just need @drachenstern to convert..
 
@DanGrossman Your skill in using Google Maps has increased! (36)
 
@TylerChacha why the hell would I do that?
 
I'm a bit closer :}
 
@TylerChacha :p
 
8:14 PM
 
Well if there's ever an SO meet-up, I'd probably attend...
Like Barney Stinson, I would definitely suit up for the occasion.
 
@Fosco Same here!
 
I would wear a t-shirt bearing the name of some other hip tech conference.
 
@RebeccaChernoff chould get right on that, being the new community helper and all
 
@Josh josh.gitlin.name doesn't resolve? :(
 
8:17 PM
@DanGrossman Oh, no!
That's on the server I have been trying to move
thanks for the heads up @Dan
I'm confused because other names on that server resolve...
 
I must have deleted that DNS zone by mistake somehow!
 
Oh god, Diamond-Suited-Up
 
Anybody happen to know a character that's illegal in a majority of filesystems, cross-platform?
 
@DanGrossman: You're in Philadelphia (or just ouside by the looks)?
 
8:26 PM
@MichaelMrozek is / ?
 
@Michael: 0x00
 
@ircmaxell Good call!
 
yeah, just north of it, montgomery county
 
I'd prefer a printable character, but I might use 0x00 if it comes to that. Isn't / legal on Windows?
 
@MichaelMrozek I think it might be, good point, sorry
 
8:27 PM
/ is legal in both windows and linux
 
Not for file or folder names
 
@MichaelMrozek isn't a colon illegal in most filesystems?
 
But used as a separator
 
My other brother lives down in that area (roughly, not sure, want to say Newtown, etc)
 
@drachenstern Not Linux (ext3), I just tried
 
8:27 PM
@drachenstern it is illegal on Mac OS
 
@Josh damn, forgot that one
 
You won't find many... Actually, I may be wrong, / looks invalid: old.nabble.com/…
 
@drachenstern no, I'm saying it is illegal
 
stupid artificial limitations of Microsoft drive naming because they didn't want to figure out how to do posix mapping and make it easy for average users to comprehend ... I know that they do allow for nested mounting under folders, which is the sad part
 
8:28 PM
@DanGrossman Beat me to it!
 
Interesting:
 
@Josh I thought it was a path separator, hence it would be illegal
 
> The only illegal character for file and folder names in Mac OS X is the colon “:”
 
@Dan you related to a Ryan Grossman?
 
@drachenstern Right, it was under OS 9 so, it's illegal
 
8:29 PM
@Zypher no
Windows Services for UNIX (SFU) or Subsystem for UNIX-based Applications (SUA) is a software package produced by Microsoft which provides a Unix subsystem and other parts of a full Unix environment on Windows NT and some of its immediate successor operating-systems. The subsystem included, called Interix, was acquired by Microsoft in 1999 from US-based Softway Systems as part of an asset acquisition.. These are available free from Microsoft as a download (in the case of SFU) or as part of the Windows OS distribution (in the case of SUA). Like the Microsoft POSIX subsystem in Windows NT ...
 
@ircmaxell Seriously? Wow
 
Wierd coincidence then, went to tech w/ a kid by that name from the same area :)
 
what about >..< is that legal in any system? It seems we all associate that with navigate upwards
Additionally >.<
 
OSX doesn't allow files that being with a . (really? but that's according to that page)
 
@ircmaxell I should think it would merely hide them (that being the traditional Unix userland consideration)
 
8:31 PM
@DanGrossman something with my name server is seriously %^@!#) up...
 
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Q: What are all the illegal characters in the XFS filesystem?

gunsCould someone provide (or point me to a list) of all the illegal characters in the XFS filesystem? I'm writing an app that needs to sanitize filenames. EDIT: Okay, so POSIX filesystems should allow all characters except the NUL character, forward slash, and the '.' and '..' filenames are reserv...

read the answers and commentary?
 
@drachenstern: Yeah, I know that's Unix convention, but that article said it's illegal (could be quite wrong)
 
@ircmaxell I highly doubt it's illegal, but I'm not on a mac so can't test it
 
looking through my DNS I don't see how josh.gitlin.name was ever working
 
@drachenstern: agreed
 
8:33 PM
@drachenstern I forget, you might only be able to do it through the terminal..
 
@Josh hosts?
 
try now @DanGrossman
 
@Josh maybe it wasn't ;)
 
@TimStone I would believe that to be a viable consideration.
 
@CodingGorilla it was, I'm sure of it
 
8:33 PM
why does my brain only want to pull out the word "consideration"? ffs
 
This is what I get for trying to migrate everything off a failing server
 
@TimStone could you please scream "I HAVE A FIX FOR THIS" when you, well, have a fix for something? This is the second time that after fixing an issue when going through dupes to find everything to tag [status-completed], I find an answer by you that had already debugged the issue
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A: Incomplete pages when browsing questions and answers in my profile

Tim StoneEdit: I misidentified the problem originally, as it actually appears to be a result of the activity page updates. Simple steps to reproduce it are as follows: Visit Kev's profile Click the page "2" link under his list of answers Visit one of the answers that appears Press the browser's Back but...

 
hahah
 
@balpha Blame Marc! ;)
 
@balpha LOL
 
8:35 PM
; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> josh.gitlin.name
;; global options:  printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NXDOMAIN, id: 33021
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;josh.gitlin.name.              IN      A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
gitlin.name.            3381    IN      SOA     ns3.smart-safe-secure.com. josh.digitalfruition.com. 2010041202 86400 7200 3600000 86400
 
But next time I'll try to be more vocal. :P
 
; <<>> DiG 9.3.3rc2 <<>> josh.gitlin.name
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 5388
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 2, ADDITIONAL: 2

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;josh.gitlin.name. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
josh.gitlin.name. 14400 IN A 72.52.239.254

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
gitlin.name. 86400 IN NS ns3.smart-safe-secure.com.
gitlin.name. 86400 IN NS ns4.smart-safe-secure.com.
weird
 
wtf, I didn't even think josh.digitalfruition.com existed...
@ircmaxell josh.gitlin.name. 14400 IN A 72.52.239.254 is correct
Damn you The Main Monkey Business!!!!
 
So why does it fail for one, and not the other?
 
it could be that the server it's on is just failing?
 
8:37 PM
Mine is a local caching authoritative Bind implementation
so it's not like it's running off of OpenDNS or anything
 
the name server is currently under a load of 12.5 and all it's doing is a handful of email accounts and BIND
 
REALLY?
DOS?
 
yeah, I'm in the process of moving everything off to a replacement
 
I see bind at top of top on one of my servers pretty often
 
this server has been acting really f-ed up for a year
 
8:39 PM
Well, I guess that's why I switched to DNSMadeEasy
 
@DanGrossman oh, there's no rationalle for the load in top
This server is just... slow. Messed up or something
 
I pay about $80 per year, and have never had 1 failed query (that I found out about at least)
 
Sad Panda:
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Q: My answer down-voted because it had just (recently) become out of date

PandaWoodIs there any recourse to being down-voted when your answer is valid, correct, previously voted-up but just now becomes out of date because, for example, some ruby gem has been updated and completely changed? Seems immoral to start voting down because of changes made over time. How can every answ...

sniff
 
Sad Panda is Sad
 
8:41 PM
seems named is the highest CPU user of that server most of the time
I wish Amazon's DNS service was cheaper
 
#4 for me. (Perl, MySQLd, Lighttpd are above it)
 
I spend too much on hosting already, I should stop trying to find new services to buy
 
I don't ($180 per year)
sorry
 
I spend around $1000/month plus $3600 per year in pre-payments to amazon :(
 
$1600 per year
And that includes 2 colocated servers (dual dual-core xeon, 4gb ram each, 147 gb SCSI Raid 1), hosting and DNS
 
8:46 PM
@balpha thanks for the reps (: hehe
 
@DanGrossman $1000 / month?! What are you hosting, an MMO?
 
Wow.
 
just some websites
 
@Fosco has a new Gravatar!
 
I just got a nice quad core 4gb ram colocated server with 6TB bandwidth for 110/mo.
 
8:47 PM
1 softlayer server, 2 linode VPS, 2 Amazon EC2 medium instances, 1 Amazon RDS large MultiAZ instance, 1 amazon elastic load balancer, IO and bandwidth charges...
 
@Josh Suited up :P with my Jack Bauer shades.
 
@Fosco: What kind of processor?
 
@ircmaxell i7
 
I pay $250/month just for disk IO charges at amazon :x
 
eih, better off with a Xeon or Opteron. Desktop grade hardware just doesn't cut it as a server (when you take into account the entire box, Mobo, PS, etc)
 
8:49 PM
power supply on my softlayer server failed just a month or two ago
 
@ircmaxell For what I'm going to use it for, it will more than handle things for a long time.
 
fair enough
 
@ircmaxell My last dedicated boxes were Celerons and they did an incredible job.. multi-year uptimes with 20+ sites hosted and never slowed down.
 
but I've just been burned more than once. I stick to IBM hardware exclusively now. I've had one failure with one, and the server kept running (I lost a CPU voltage regulator. It kept running downgrading the server to a single CPU)
Meaning it didn't turn off when it lost the CPU.
@Fosco: What kind of traffic levels?
 
@ircmaxell Nothing too crazy, but I don't have any data to back that up.
 
8:51 PM
fair enough.
 
Woohoo public beta
 
@DanGrossman I didn't realize you were a big deal... What is it that you do exactly? :)
 
In my experience and testing it would take on the order of like 10 or 20 Core2Duo dual cores to equal one Xeon in terms of speed/efficiency/reliability
 
Spending too much on hosting doesn't make me a big deal :p
 
LOL
 
8:52 PM
@ircmaxell Tell that to Google, I think they would disagree.
 
@Fosco: They are a lot larger scale than 1 or 2 servers.
that's how Amazon does it. They have tons of comodity hardware. That way, when one box fails, it means very little to the hive
 
@Fosco most of the servers are for w3counter.com in one way or another
tracking every page view to 40,000 websites in realtime is like being slashdotted a thousand times over all day every day
 
@DanGrossman Awio, is that your own business?
 
@DanGrossman See, you are a big deal.
 
8:54 PM
why, nobody's ever heard of awio :p
 
And I'm not just talking about the CPU, I'm also talking about the difference between a commodity computer (mobo, ram, etc) and a server. Don't forget that most servers have a built-in TCP networking processor to ease the server load (as one example)...
 
That's great... I like your site design too.
 
w3counter's getting a new design in the near future
 
Not bad at all @Dan (w3counter that is)...
 
8:56 PM
@DanGrossman purdy.
 
Not bad...
 
@DanGrossman I may be signing up for your services when my next site is ready!
 
cool. :) it's free
 
What frontend technology are you using (HTTP deamon I'm assuming)
 
which is funny since it costs so much to run.
 
8:57 PM
... free?.. why?
 
the website's just apache & php
 
Symfony PHP
 
who pays for web stats? google analytics exists.
 
Apache? Really? With that kind of traffic level?
 
@ircmaxell are you kidding? Apache is a beast!
 
8:57 PM
ok... load on this server is down a lot now. @Dan, can you resolve now?
 
yeah, but I wrote a node.js server to handle the "real-time dashboard" thingy i'm making
apache couldn't handle that
 
It's a beast, but it's also slow as crap
 
@Josh yeah it resolves now
Non-authoritative answer:
Name:   josh.gitlin.name
Address: 72.52.239.254
 
@DanGrossman Awesome, thanks!
Hopefully I will have transitioned off this servr in a few more hours
 
@ircmaxell You're quite the snob :) What do you prefer instead?
 
8:59 PM
I am? :-P
 
If I knew how to translate the apache features I use to something else faster I would
 
I use lighttpd. But I advocate any event-driven server...
What features do you use?
 

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