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9:02 PM
I have an itch to travel hehe.
 
@TimStone At least your problem is merely financial. I'm getting increasingly worried that my company won't let me leave.
(Which is mostly my fault because of my contract, but that doesn't make me any less frustrated.)
 
@PopularDemand Well, I guess that's actually a larger concern for me anyway. Not that I couldn't leave, but with the work we have lined up it might not be beneficial for me to based on what will be waiting for me when I get back.
 
Hehehe. With my trip to Israel over the summer it was a damn good thing I asked for that vacation over a year in advance. If I had asked off just a couple months before the trip there's no way they'd let me leave the week of the pilot rollout.
 
@rchern Assuming you really are in St. Louis, there must be plenty of places that are road trippable in a weekend.
 
@PopularDemand Yeah, I can imagine. They seem to work you to the bone over there.
 
9:04 PM
I had a friend who went to law school at Wash U whose hobby is traffic engineering, I can ask him for suggestions, if you like.
 
Ah, fail on my part.
 
@TimStone Meh, it just seems that way to you because I'm still relatively inexperienced.
The hours are long, but I'm not exactly curing cancer, here.
 
@PopularDemand If you need to, there's a jQuery plugin for that.
 
Don't worry about that, we've already got that jQuery plugin
Dammit
:P
Still, the work environment doesn't seem very encouraging from the way you've described it. I'm sure you have some bias given you're the one doing the work, but that doesn't mean it's a walk in the park either. :P
So, turns out that my mistake in the userscript was both an off by one error and a missing period.
Go figure.
 
@TimStone I actually really like this company, and I'm not just saying that because I'm still at work right now. I just don't talk about the good parts, because I don't need help with the good parts.
 
9:09 PM
That's fair enough. Also, good that you do really like them.
Ahh, there we go.
 
Just to chime in, I think I speak for a lot of us when I say, these are very difficult times
I think the nature of the economy at this point in time demands that companies require more out of their employees than in the past...
I know I feel overworked at times, and it seems from what I hear others say that I'm not alone...
 
@PopularDemand I am really in St. Louis hehe. Did you think I put in a fake location to fool @MichaelMrozek?
I think the team here could double in size and we'd have enough work for all of us.
 
@rchern Not necessarily even just Mrozek. I put fake info in all kinds of places.
For example, I am not actually 76 years old, or whatever it is my profile says I am.
 
hehe, you aren't?!
 
I think the number varies from site to site and they're all fake.
 
9:16 PM
Fake info is the best. One time I convinced this whole room of people from MSO that me and this sockpuppet "from St. Louis" were different people. It was hysterical
 
|:
 
@MichaelMrozek It'd be really funny if you had a rivalry with this hypothetical other person. Perhaps based on Stack Exchange site of choice.
 
I don't understand you Github
shakes fist
 
@rchern I know my team here could double and we'd have enough work for everyone. The issue is capital, sadly...
I would love to hire some new talent...
 
@TimStone, comments loaded, but it did not scroll to the comment
 
9:22 PM
I'm going to blame your interwebs.
 
Also, yes, I did just handle that pull request in under a minute.
q:
 
And then we need to find a better solution.
w00t :P
			// Again, not ideal...
			setTimeout(function() {
				var comment;

				if ((comment = $(commentID[0])).length) {
					$(document).scrollTop(comment.offset().top);
					comment.css({ 'background-color': $('<span class="newuser" />').css('background-color') })
						.animate({ 'background-color': $('#question').css('background-color') }, 2000, 'linear');
				}
			}, 500);
..
You'll note the major flaw here. :P
Is there a way to hook into the response handler so I don't have to hope that the comments load within half a second?
 
Hmm
I think so
 
@rchern In a worst case scenario I can just replace their method, but. :P
 
If not, I wonder if we could utilize .livequery()
 
9:31 PM
Yeah, probably. That's what I was thinking of doing originally, but since this script didn't have that dependency I was trying to work with out-of-the-box approaches first for good measure.
 
Ah right, good stuff. I'll see what I can do to fix that up in a little bit then, thanks. :)
 
Hm, for some reason my JavaScript code thought that 7.99935 rounded to 2 digits becomes 7.10...
 
@TheUnhandledException You should definitely post on SO asking why javascript is bad at floating-point math
 
Be sure to mention those exact numbers so it can't be closed as a dupe.
 
9:44 PM
haha
To be more precise it was code from Baron Schwartz, a number formatting library
Math.round(n*100)/100) worked
 
not enough jQuery I fear. ):
 
Can jQuery do math?!/?11/111??
(insert obligatory fishnipples image here)
 
I'm not sure which was a bigger crime against programming, the ID-data thing or that. :P
 
That is so great @Tim :-)
+1 for do not, under any circumstances, do this.
 
Yeah, I felt it important that no one ever attempt to actually do that, even though you could. :P
 
9:51 PM
I can see the ServerFault questions now...
"I used this excellent mod_rewrite code from Time Stone. Now why is my server load at 123?"
 
Now you know why I don't hang out there that much ;)
 
@TimStone, you really like writing code that nobody should ever use, don't you? (;
 
Error: Uncaught TimStone
 
@rchern My excuse is that I write such good code for work that I need to express all of the bad habits in a different venue.
...With the possible exception of what I'm rewriting now, ugh. This is ugly looking, heh.
 
heh
 
9:54 PM
...I just found out I'm using r3 of the number formatting library from 2003. Current version is r13. There's my problem!
 
Whoops :P
 
well I don't know for sure that this bug is fixed in r13 but I hope it is
 
@AidenBell I'm elusive like that. ;)
 
Mysterious
Like the night
 
@TheUnhandledException Heh, I was going to comment on how speedy they were releasing 121 new versions in the last couple of minutes, but you corrected it, heheh.
Of course.
 
9:57 PM
throw new TimStone() segfaults in all languages
Mysteriously, all compilers recognise the syntax
 
I suspect that's why Eclipse thinks that my name is a spelling mistake, it wants to avoid the trouble that's caused by associating code with me.
 
@TimStone I don't know where that 4 came from. Pesky fours always sne4king into my chat messages!
 
Heheh
 
@AidenBell Maybe @Tim needs to lose weight? Easier to toss him around then
 
Finally, the motivation I need to start my daily workout sessions again!
 
10:00 PM
@TheUnhandledException - I was going to crack a mean joke about lightweight processes vs heavyweight processes ... self censorship is lame.
 
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 53 secs ago, by user503513
@drachenster How do I find YiJiang? I'm kind of new to stackoverflow
Ahahahah
 
lmao
Why do iframes always feel dirty?
 
@AidenBell Because you've been trained to think that frames are terrible vestiges of the late 90s that break everything around them?
 
@PopularDemand - Yep
I know it is wrong ... but typing <iframe> just makes ..... doesn't feel right
 
10:10 PM
@AidenBell Seconded, heh. :P
 
I shall abstract the iframe, for quick replacement incase it gets too much for me :P
 
iframes are fun!
 
My cactus looks sad
 
10:28 PM
@AidenBell The transition between your last two messages is great.
 
@TimStone - Im following the instructions, but it still looks off
Plants are non-deterministic
 
do I have 20? I think I do I think I do
so why do I feel like a freshman by just logging into this server? anyone else ever feel like that?
 
nope
 
@drachenstern explain?
@AidenBell What kinds of Cacti?
Are you over-watering them?
 
@TheUnhandledException seems like the meta crowd tend to be a little more savvy, a little more knowledgeable, or at least that's my impression from thumbing through the SO versus meta.SO posts
 
10:35 PM
We just like others to think of us like that :-D
 
@TheUnhandledException Optunia Vulgaris, not overwatering as far as I am aware, but the top "ears" look wrinkled and droopy
@drachenstern - Yes you are right, we are a cut above :P
 
@AidenBell Do we have a gardening.stackexchange.com site??
 
@TheUnhandledException - Hmmmm
 
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 3 mins ago, by david
bloody ell, have you tried doing alert(document.getElementById("ismForm")); to make sure it's actually getting the reference?
 
dowehavea.stackexchange.com
 
10:36 PM
@drachenstern I have found, the key to being "in" with meta is forcing your way in :-) Spend more time here and you'll get accustomed to the culture
 
@TheUnhandledException I had a feeling it was the case, hence I opened my window to it
 
A Q&A site for all users of stackexchange sites that can't be arsed to Google for information anymore
 
@TheUnhandledException And then subsequently go insane.
 
MSO chat has become by far my favorite chat, and meta my favorite SE site, LOL
 
10:37 PM
also figured I would give @rchern a chance to thrash me properly about the head and shoulders for summoning her from the ether for nothing :p (poorly attempted MYTH Inc reference)
 
@drachenstern - Don't listen to @TheUnhandledException he is know round here as "dufus"
 
@TimStone subsequently? I went insane years before finding StackOverflow :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException - only joshin'
 
@AidenBell I wear the title with pride
:-D
 
@TheUnhandledException Ah, in that case. :P
 
10:38 PM
Anyway, this cactus issue ...
 
Any ideas?
 
I will ask my friend and business partner, he has a ton of cacti and they grow like weeds
He's a real green thumb, I, on the other hand, can't keep things alive very well :-)
All I know off the top of my head is don't over water and adjust sunlight gradually
believe it or not, some cacti can get sunburned. But, that doesn't sound like your issue
And, we should have a gardening site!!
 
WTH? Area51 links don't onebox? BALPHA!!!!!
Where is that twit? ;-)
 
10:42 PM
I think that the answer to this was "No API!"
Or something :P
 
@TimStone Pffft. That translates to "Laaaaaame" ;-)
If xkcd links can be oneboxed...
 
@AidenBell those leaves look fine from here
 
Yeah, same here
 
Ah cool.
I'm doing it right then :P
 
10:45 PM
But what do I know? I am the village idiot after all :-)
 
Thanks guys
 
Sure. I'll sent the pic to my friend and ask his opinion also @Aiden. How tall is the plant?
 
2.5ft
ish
The top middle leaf looks droopy
and they are more wrinkly is the main issue than the others
But sure it is nothing :) @TheUnhandledException - Thanks though, an expert opinion would be good
 
@AidenBell I know where to find you when I get an answer :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException - Indeed
Isn't the chat great!
 
10:48 PM
hear , hear!
 
The amount of time I thought ... "SO is great, but I want to send people pictures of my cactus"
4
 
It's a great way to get to know the members of the community
 
Yup. Im fed up with SO proper.
The whole thing feels fragmented and all over the place question wise
half the time i'm like "does this belong on programmers?"
 
half the time I'm like "did you read the damned documentation before you even typed a line of code to know what you WANTED to do?"
 
haha
I know how you two feel. I haven't answered many questions recently because all my free time goes to SO chat instead, but I try to be patient when I do answer
 
10:51 PM
I havn't posted an answer for 10 days ... not because I don't want to, but I hate looking through the crap in all tags before I even find something exciting to answer.
 
I've been trying to earn rep on Unix and Gaming
199 on Gaming, haha, FAIL
 
@AidenBell and when I do find something that's genuinely not-crap, it already has like 8 upanswers
I'm answering fringe questions nowadays
but the new homepage does make it easier to find stuff I know about +1
 
199, Dirty. I wanted to go for the Unix one (never used anything else) ... but I dunno, meh
The whole Ubuntu thing made me apathetic
Hmmm iframe communication ... to HTML5 or not to HTML5 ... that is the question.
 
To support IE or not to... that is the question @Aiden ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException nothing below 8
 
10:56 PM
@TheUnhandledException - Not, I can force agent in this case
 
My choice is ... Firefox or Chrome nightlies only ... and I will check the User agent mwahahha
 
@AidenBell I once built this crazy bridge which allowed tow JavaScript apps on two different domains to communicate, relied upon creating lots of iFrames. It was a horrendous mess
it worked, kinda, but it was uuuuuugly!
 
@TheUnhandledException - Well my iframes are same origin, but thinking HTML5 messaging sets me up for the future
 
@AidenBell Good thinking
 
11:01 PM
God damn, the jProbe people are persistent
> With the end of the year quickly approaching, wanted to see if you have any money left in this year’s budget? At one time you had expressed an interest in our software. If it makes sense for you business and you have the budget, this is a great time to get a great deal on our software.
 
so what's the feeling in meta about title edits on SO for users with +1000 rep?
 
As far as?
 
@drachenstern - I think 'durpa durpa durp'
 
Splitting Date and Time in ASP.NET MVC to IValueProvider does not contain a definition for TryGetValue
the second one illustrates his problem
the first one illustrates the problem he was trying to solve that caused the actual problem
 
@MarcGravell - To HTML5 or not to HTML5?
Also, I can force user agent.
 
11:05 PM
@drachenstern sorry, I'm not following
 
@TheUnhandledException his title is CRAP
it says nothing about his problem
"Hansleman blog recommends method that doesn't exist" would be better
 
0
Q: Splitting Date and Time in ASP.NET MVC

Mike WillsIn my application, I am trying to split the Date and Time from and DateTime field so I can put a jQuery date picker on the date. I found Hanselman's code for splitting the DateTime, however I get a compile error on bindingContext.ValueProvider.TryGetValue(modelName, out valueResult);. The error I...

(for reference purposes)
 
@TimStone sorry, I should've, I didn't think it was REALLY necessary, my apologies
you should've just poked me for the ob, I would've ... eventually
 
@drachenstern - Suggest a better title? One involving some keywordage
 
Hahah. :P
I figured it might be a little more clear with some context.
 
11:08 PM
@TimStone - I have a confession .... I'm starting to actually like C#
 
Uh oh
Hahah
Just like that would have been a lot less worrying to me had it had the latter part for context when I read it ;)
I'm actually fairly fond of C# myself, we use it for a few of the things that we work on. It's a very...verbose language though, heh.
Though that's probably a terrible word for it.
Feature-ful, not wordy.
 
TBH, anything after PHP's type-insanity is welcome
Now, if I can find faith in mod_mono i'm all go
Because i'm not installing windows.
 
If I ever look at that compiler code again, it'll be too soon.
 
What mono?
 
PHP
 
11:13 PM
Tell me about it
'compiler'
'interpreter'
 
You saw my recent answer after I dove into that mess right?
 
'Bison strapped directly to grim C plumbing'
@TimStone - nope?
 
Heheh, indeed.
4
A: Why don't PHP attributes allow functions?

Tim StoneThe compiler code suggests that this is by design, though I don't know what the official reasoning behind that is. I'm also not sure how much effort it would take to reliably implement this functionality, but there are definitely some limitations in the way that things are currently done. Though...

The OP wanted to know why you can't specify the return values of methods to instance variables, but you can specify static values.
 
My EYES MY EYES! The HORROR!
Where is the AST?!?!
 
Hahah
 
11:16 PM
Oh hang on, it has one
Last time I looked, the AST sort or collided with direct calls for all sorts of weirdness
TBH I would be surprised if that was a feature, just PHP's refactor-by-committee style development.
 
I like the part where it pushes an opcode onto the stack so that the compiler can then remove the opcode once it's done its dirty work.
Maybe I missed something there, but it seems to me like a terrible way to keep state. :P
 
lol ... why are they generating opcodes for classes and sort of fudging the dynamic-ness of array creation?
Also, Pekka totally missed the point
If his justification is true then public $foo=array(); also makes no sense
as the syntax suggests the LHS is executed
so +1 for @TimStone 's deconstruction and ripping of PHP
 
I've done a lot with PHP, but if you look at the big picture...it really is hard to ignore the obvious holes. :/
 
@TimStone - I think that PHP's greatest attribute is its accessibility. But it isn't a serious language.
I mean array_key_exists()
though, extract() is cool
 
Heh, reminds me of this question the other day
Nov 7 at 0:46, by Tim Stone
2
Q: php: accessing a value from a returned associative array

mistabellI have a function getStatus() that returns an associative array. Right now I'm accessing a value with two commands: $a = $user->getStatus(); $a = $a['keyName']; doSomething($a); Is there a way to rephrase that into one command like: doSomething($user->getStatus()['keyName']);

 
11:23 PM
beautiful stuff
 
Sorry, meant the actual question, heh. :P
But yeah, to one-line it, you'd have to do something as ugly as that.
 
array_map( $callback, $array, ...) then array_reduce( $array, $callback)
come on!
 
@AidenBell Excuse me?
Not a serious language...?
 
Oh here we go
 
11:25 PM
ding ding
 
Hahah
 
I'm too busy to get into a PHP argument :-)
 
Good ol' Python versus PHP grudge match. ;)
 
So I'll let it go this time
 
@TheUnhandledException - It's ok bud, not an argument, me and @TimStone are just stating some facts anyway. Nothing to see.
 
11:26 PM
;-)
@AidenBell HAHAHA. Ok. I've moved on :-D
 
:P :D
 
Moved on back to my serious PHP code ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException the fact remains, that I code most in PHP
at the moment. Things WILL change.
 
And I manage a SaaS product written in PHP, JavaScript, and Ruby
Which I am quite proud of :-)
 
.... sorry .... Ruby?
can of worms opening
 
11:27 PM
A little bit of ruby for the backend scripts to check quotas, do backups, etc
 
Like a little bit of cancer, that's ok then
lmao ... just playing.
 
And handle XMPP for the chat, oh, wait, sorry wrong project
I got confused there for a moment
@AidenBell I'd take a little bit of cancer rather than code in VB any day! ;-)
 
@TheUnhandledException - Dim NowYoureTalking
 
@rchern, thanks for the comment on the flair post, I tried to leave you a comment, but lost a few minutes of my life from the rate-limiting, and gave up.
 
LOL. Want to be really scared? My PHP app writes and executes it's own new PHP code. How's that for cancer @Aiden? :-)
 
11:31 PM
@TheUnhandledException - That's acceptable. I wrote some Python to write my PHP for me.
 
@LanceRoberts 10-4 (;
 
@TheUnhandledException - Sort of like making a cow eat beef, PHP->PHP
 
@AidenBell LOL.
 
@TheUnhandledException - I think it is a punishment justified :P
 
In seriousness, it does. When users change config settings the app updates a PHP file which it include() s on future requests to load the settings back in
was a major pain in the as to write, but, it works
 
11:32 PM
@TheUnhandledException - That does sound dirty
What's wrong with JSON or XML or something :P
 
@AidenBell This was about 10x faster than JSON and 15-20x faster than XML
And not all users have a database
 
@TheUnhandledException And it's not a database. :)
 
@TimStone It has a compressed, serialized PHP database-like object in a PHP comment which it extracts when it needs to modify the config.php file
 
@TheUnhandledException - As long as it was just define()s or assignment ... you can be let off :P
 
Your PHP-fu might be more involved than mine :P
 
11:35 PM
I did then the boss came in ;)
 
It's all extremly well documented in our Trac wiki and normally we never touch it. just userconfig()->module->setting = new_value and like magic, it's set from then on!
 
@TheUnhandledException - That's like meta programming using PHP's comments!?!?!
Mind you, my voodoo object mapper in PHP isn't much more attractive than what you describe
 
@AidenBell It's crazyness, I know. But it works and faster than any other solution the team came up with :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException - Just be thankful you aren't looking at my function-based query language and dynamic mapping using "DESC"
In PHP
 
@AidenBell Sounds yummy :-)
Better than @rchern's own programming language. It's like brainf*ck but based entirely on backwards smileys
 
11:39 PM
That's a fun language. :P
 
"hello world" in rcherncode: (-: !
 
$factory->query( 'lazy' )->filter( Both( Equals('a',$b), LessThan('c', $d) ))->random();
@TheUnhandledException is the jist of it
With storage engines for MySQL, XML etc
 
That actually sounds really slick @Aiden!
 
Beats writing SQL
You pretty much build an expression tree in filter() which gets converted through the storage engine.
 
Wil
How do you create the links to questions that put you in line for the badge?
 
11:43 PM
@Wil Use the "link" link
 
@Wil There's a link on the question labeled "link"
 
It's the link that has your user ID in the URL.
 
Where's 'you know who' this evening?
 
I don't even understand @Wil's question ... what link?
 
@PopularDemand just link the link link
 
11:44 PM
@drachenstern The referral link
 
1 min ago, by Wil
How do you create the links to questions that put you in line for the badge?
like that?
 
@drachenstern ok who's gonna FHC it for us?
 
Wil
I clicked Link, but it is just a general link - it doesn't have anything that would trace back to me? :S
 
@drachenstern No, for questions. It gets you the referral badges (Announcer, etc.)
 
No like
 
11:44 PM
uh oh, showing my noobness again @TheUnhandledException ... FHC?
 
29 secs ago, by drachenstern
1 min ago, by Wil
How do you create the links to questions that put you in line for the badge?
 
@Wil The last part is your user ID
 
2
Q: How do you steer the screw attack in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption?

JoshWhen I received the screw attack in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, I was told that I could steer while using it by using <icon>, where the icon appeared to be the analog stick on the nunchuck. But try as I might, no matter what direction on the nunchuck's analog stick I press, I always go str...

like that @drachenstern
http://gaming.stackexchange.com/q/10581/2252
 
Freehand circles!
 
Wil
It hasn't added that...
 
11:45 PM
@drachenstern FHC is a meta term: Freehand Circle
 
@Wil Don't click it, it redirects. Right-click it and copy the URL
 
@Wil You have to right-click and copy the target
Otherwise it'll redirect you to the page.
 
oh, so the referral for like public clicks, that sort of thing? I was curious how you made that happen
 
Wil
lol
thanks for the circles! +1
 
11:46 PM
@PopularDemand Automatic +1
 
Thanks @Pop I knew we'd get one
 
@TheUnhandledException good to know, so is that like the popular story about the artist who could draw an FHC
 
With the upload button, screenshotting is so cheap....
 
Wil
ok, I see, sorry - I was expecting to click and copy from the address bar... didn't realise it would correct / change
 
11:47 PM
@drachenstern Yeah sortof. On meta, everything needs a freehand circle to get anywhere -- that's rule #1 :-)
 
Hahah
 
@AidenBell AWESOME
 
Gimp loaded slow for that ... thought I might be beat
 
...wow. I actually just finished everything on my task list for today. I am shocked
 
11:49 PM
@TheUnhandledException - Stop making us all look bad with your task-finishing
 
@PopularDemand Additional +1 for this
 
That means I can squeeze a few minutes in for XMPP coding before dinner
 
Im off to bed. Night all!
 
Hoorah
G'night @AidenBell
 
@AidenBell Sleep well
 
11:49 PM
Bye @TimStone @TheUnhandledException , also who killed @YiLiang
 
That's a story for another day. That, or he's still asleep.
 
I'm confused
Which is nothing new, by the way...
 
What are you confused about? :P
 
Some story about someone sleeping and me killing @YiJiang or something?
oh wait, I see.
> Bye @TimStone @TheUnhandledException. also, who killed @YiLiang?
that makes sense now
 
Yeah :P
 
11:55 PM
I am no longer confused. Amazing what a period, comma and question-mark can do for a sentence ;-)
 
What great timing
 
LOL. Yeah really. Hi @Yi
Were your virtual ears burning?
(Read: Was the StackCollider count increasing rapidly?)
 
@TheUnhandledException Nice time for me to come in, eh?
 
@YiJiang You just missed @AidenBell saying goodbye.
9 mins ago, by Aiden Bell
Bye @TimStone @TheUnhandledException , also who killed @YiLiang
 

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