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12:02 AM
@Tim, let's run it here?
switches
 
Oh, it happens here too, heh.
 
ok, i swear it was fixed
 
opens the chat code
Ah, seems to be a missing case statement.
 
12:17 AM
hehehehehe i figured out how to have a commit close an issue (:
github.com/rchern/StackExchangeScripts/commit/… notice how you can click through to the issue
 
@rchern Ah ha :P
Nice, I like that it can work like that.
 
 
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2:02 AM
Tim I'm ok with Assessment tests; as long as they aren't the 3 hour kind, but I'd rather have a sample + phone screen (technical, they write code during it) + in person interview with the team (1 at a time, not all at once). The 'write code' during interview seems to do most people in.
 
2:33 AM
Quiet in here tonight, huh?
 
I blame...Uhh...
Hmm, for once there doesn't seem to be an obvious direction to point fingers in.
 
@TimStone rchern. She's supposed to be the talkative one ;-)
 
o:
 
She is the #1 chat user after all :-)
@rchern HA! I didn't even @ you
 
@TheUnhandledException This is a good point. :P
 
2:39 AM
@TheUnhandledException, now that you're back from vacation you'll catch up (;
 
@rchern This is probably true :-)
You're only ~2k messages ahead of me, then @TimStone can blame me for this chat being dead XD
 
Heheh
 
Google Maps links for email should automatically be made tiny
 
3:09 AM
Hmmm
 
3:22 AM
SO down for everyone? or just me?
 
Seems alright to me.
 
hrm ... getting 'Server Error in '/' Application.'
 
4:17 AM
@Cannonade Works for me too. What URL?
 
4:29 AM
Stackoverflow.com
actually ... stackoverflow.com works ... www.stackoverflow.com not so much
 
Jin
boingboing.net hacked. #nsfw
 
hrm ... I am not getting anything nsfw ... just a ASP runtime error
oh ... ahem ... boingboing.net was hacked ... right ... sorry ... overlapping coversation ;)
 
4:49 AM
'Ello ..everyone. :P
 
5:33 AM
@TimStone, "top o' the", belatedly
 
Heh, how are you today? :)
 
About to go and fry my brains with Eric Lippert's next post on Continuation Passing Style :)
 
Ah nice, heh. :P
 
For once, I actually understand most of what he's saying, it's a rather heady experience...
 
I'm learning Python by reading code so I can figure out what's going wrong with my hg-git setup.
More aggravating than thought-provoking, unfortunately. ;)
 
5:58 AM
Can't help with Python, sorry :) and even after 11 months, I'm still a baby git user :)
 
I seem to be slowly making progress, heheh
 
python smython!
 
I'm trying to fix Mercurial!
 
6:49 AM
Hmmm
shakes fist at Python
 
7:11 AM
Aww what's up @TimStone
?
 
Somehow this program has a stray filehandle somewhere that's preventing itself from renaming the file.
 
Crap.
 
7:33 AM
Argh.
 
gee I earned my first taxonomist badge.
...on Maths. Statistics.
 
@radp Of all places :) The usual method is to rush in and create the first question with some very popular tags
 
I didn't try to be honest.
(I did try on Gaming)
 
8:31 AM
Hm
 
8:53 AM
I suppose no one has abused the tag creation mechanics yet
get a real question, keep editing it within 5 minutes with new tags that are likely to be popular
leave the final tags as the tags you want
supposedly, according to one of Jeff's posts on meta, but I don't have a link handy; the creator of the tag is remembered even if the tag is later removed
 
 
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12:32 PM
All Quiet on the Tavern Front
 
@radp Amazon users have a pretty good sense of humour it seems
 
 
:)
 
> Installation is simple.
> My copilot and I both used these during our "daily grind" transcontinental flights from San Diego to Minneapolis. We had to modify them a bit to fit snug against the instrument panels (when we bought them we didn't realize the planes we fly don't have steering wheels!), but in the end it did the job. With our laptops firmly in place we were able to focus our attention on what really mattered, participating in raids with our WoW clan.
> During our last flight we were so immersed in trying to take down Eranikus that we overshot Minneapolis by a full hour and a half before some annoying flight attendant interrupted us, babbling something about "FAA and F16 fighters.
 
1:17 PM
6
A: Pseudocode/Java Mystery Algorithm

ManiaGoogle never ceases to amaze, due on the 29th I take it? ;) A Java translation is a good idea, once operational you'll be able to step through it to see exactly what the algorithm does if you're having problems visualizing it. A few pointers: the psuedo code has arrays indexed 1 through n, Java...

The Google link in the actual answer is amazing!
 
> The best part was we could all browse the web while waiting for the emergency crews to arrive.
@YiJiang Haha.. owned!
 
@YiJiang haha, very nice :)
 
2:09 PM
Morning
 
@rchern 'orning
 
How goes it?
 
@rchern Goes what?
Weird, Livequery's generating lotsa errors! 2651 errors, to be precise
$.livequery.queries[$.livequery.queue.shift()] is undefined
stackflair.com/jquery.livequery.js
Line 152
 
2:31 PM
what's that from?
 
line 152 of jquery.livequery.js
:P
 
@rchern Definitely the userscript
But I'm not sure why - it doesn't repeat, except for 2651 times that time specifically
Anyway, how goes what?
 
it.
 
@radp Thanks for been completely useless! :P
 
things
 
2:33 PM
@YiJiang I have to compensate.
Dirty job -- but someone's gotta do it.
 
@radp Someone call Mike Rowe!
 
Dirty Jobs is a program on the Discovery Channel, produced by Pilgrim Films & Television, in which host Mike Rowe is shown performing difficult, strange, disgusting, or messy occupational duties alongside the typical employees. The show premiered with two pilot episodes in November 2003. It returned as a series on July 26, 2005. There is also a European edition of the show, hosted by former Danish goalkeeper Peter Schmeichel. An Australian version of the show briefly aired on the Nine Network in 2007. Format A worker or team of workers takes on Rowe as a fully-involved assistant for a...
 
@rchern Thanks for been completely useless too!
 
\o/
 
Buh?
I tried to post that Wikipedia link, got told "timeout: retry / cancel" and hit cancel.
Ten seconds later, it posts anyways.
 
@balpha @rchern Teh zorbmies wnats yuor pazswrad!!1!
 
oh, so Chat.SE launched and nobody told me!!
 
@PopularDemand I saw something similar
investigating
 
@YiJiang ?
 
2:40 PM
@radp Chat.SE launched!
 
gg
 
why is SO so slow
 
the guys are working on it
 
@balpha I do love the customer support at SE.
Much better than at certain other companies I've dealt with in the past 24 hourCOUGHmicrosoftCOUGHs.
 
@PopularDemand Microsoft has customer support? For whom?
 
2:46 PM
"the guys"
SOIS needs female developers.
 
@YiJiang Xbox. When you're sick and have already slept so many hours that you can't fall asleep again....
 
oh hi, my name is rchern
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(;
 
I can't log in to SE chat. I'd report this there, but....
"Login requires an HTML5 browser, and you must already be logged in to another network site; if you aren't already, you may need to login to stackexchange.com first."
I'm logged in at SO and MSO and SE.
 
@PopularDemand It just sits there forever? For me it popped up the "you've been logged in automatically" box after about ten seconds
I had to log out and back in to an SE site; you might try that. It told me that specifically though, so not sure if that's your problem (it said my login data was too old)
 
@MichaelMrozek It's been at least four minutes, based on chat timestamps.
@MichaelMrozek I logged in manually on SE.com.
(Also, someone needs to head to A51 and make a proposal about chatting, so that "Chat.SE" becomes ambiguous. Also one about metadata.)
 
2:53 PM
@PopularDemand still not working?
 
@balpha Not as far as I can tell.
I'll close that tab and try again.
 
that won't change anything
have you logged in anywhere recently?
 
@balpha Only SE, should I try the global logout?
 
note that I'm not asking "are you logged in anywhere"
just log in to any SE site
 
@balpha Yes, I manually logged out of Stack Exchange and then manually logged back in.
Okay.
 
2:55 PM
I don't know if SE itself works
chat.SE is the first site that actually requires the global login functionality, so you can expect we'll be working on streamlining the process a bit
omg, I sound like buzzword bingo
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Did it on Personal Finance, which I never use, and still nothing. I'll global logout. See you later, unless getting me to log out of MSO chat and then locking me out of it permanently is part two of "mess with flu-ridden Popular Demand day."
 
@PopularDemand didn't it auto-login you to money.SE?
 
@balpha Yes, but I manually hit log out and then logged in again.
I just did a global logout from SO, still nothing.
 
well, if auto-login in works, everything is fine
that global logout wasn't neccessary
what happens when you try to log in to chat.SE?
 
"Login
Attempting to log in to the Stack Exchange network...

Login requires an HTML5 browser, and you must already be logged in to another network site; if you aren't already, you may need to login to http://stackexchange.com first."
 
3:03 PM
no notification bar?
 
@balpha Nope, just sits like that forever (or for at least five minutes, I'm extrapolating).
 
3:32 PM
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=56095

"Rebecca Chernoff"? "Sam Saffron"? Who are these people?
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look at the meta post that's linked in the ticket and figure it out (:
 
0
Q: Merchandising, merchandising, merchandising!

Jon BIf there was a store.stackoverflow.com I would love to buy T-Shirts, coffee cups, and (obviously) flamethrowers. With Stackoverflow's newfound moola and near infinite talent, I bet this would be pretty doable (and profitable).

See my comment. Agree with my comment. Upvote the question.
 
anyone else having huge delays / unavailability of SO from EU/UK since the server changes?
 
@DimitarChristoff Not SO, but some of the SE sites have been down for me. Don't remember exactly which.
 
#stackoverflow: Slow for everyone today, or just for me?
 
3:46 PM
well if jon skeet is also having problems, then i feel much better :D
 
in JavaScript on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 hours ago, by Yi Jiang
@NickCraver "Slow for everyone or just me?" "It's not just you! Stackoverflow.com seems to be slow here too!"
I maintain that I said that first!
gnashes teeth beaten by Jon Skeet here!?
 
okay, have a cookie
 
Come to think of it... SO has been slow for me at home. But I was having general Internet problems, so that may or may not be relevant.
 
isstackoverflowslowforeveryoneorjustme.com should feature a spinning throbber. "Please wait. Determining if Stack Overflow is slow for everyone or just you..."
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3:48 PM
this claims its up allegedly
 
up != slow
 
earlier i was getting no response, 20-30 sec waiting
now its a lot better, usually loads within 15 sec
:)
 
avg ping is 60ms, it's been 53ms for me since the migration
 
@radp isstackoverflowslowforeveryoneorjustme.com should feature an overflowing-stack throbber.
 
84ms here
 
3:49 PM
With the speed of the throbber proportional to the lag to SO.
The logo is practically designed just for that purpose.
 
Again, my policy of reading chat backlogs bottom-up has proved very alarming. First message, with no context:
33 secs ago, by Popular Demand
With the speed of the throbber proportional to the lag to SO.
 
ping itself is irrelevant if the server load is just high
 
SO et al are so slow for me at times that that I get timeout errors. But then 30 seconds later I get pretty much instant response
 
4:08 PM
This question seems to have slipped through a crack somewhere:
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Q: Problem with changing post vote

Paul PeelenHi, If I made a post on an answer to (in this case) my question, it doesn't let me undo my vote. Usually when I vote -1 and then -1 directly after the vote will change from 0 to -1 to 0. This is what happens now as well, but when I reload the page it is set to +1, instead of 0. Also it doesn't m...

 
4:19 PM
That sounds familiar, I think it's been reported before
 
several times
 
4:33 PM
0
Q: Sexy Alert Box is not a function

OmegakenshinHi to everyone, my problem is a plugin called "Sexy Alert Box" when I load the page, the firebug tells me that there is a problem: $ is not a function The line with the error shows... $(document).ready(function(){ You can check the website HERE and when I try to click on "Dile a un amigo" ...

 
It's just not sexy without jQuery, apparently.
Ah, jQuery; the freehand circle of MSO chat.
 
Can you not delete it because it's upvoted?
What if two of us downvote it?
 
@PopularDemand no, why delete it?
 
@radp You caught it early enough that we could reasonably do so?
 
4:36 PM
duplicates should not be deleted.
If there were enough questions about the topic, I would've been warned about dupes before asking.
 
@radp Oh, you found it so fast I thought it was some kind of weird test question or something.
 
@PopularDemand I found it fast because @rchern slapped me :P
 
@radp Oh, sure, taunt me more.
 
@PopularDemand not taunting, merely linking.
@PopularDemand Also, you don't rely on Opera Mobile for on-the-go access :/
 
@radp Chat.SE doesn't work for me.
 
4:40 PM
@PopularDemand If you're on a proper computer, it's probably your fault :)
what browser/OS?
 
@radp Now you've lost me a bit, but I have ceased to care.
FF 3.6.11 XP
 
go to html5test.com, what does it say for HTML 5 storage?
(towards the bottom)
I'd tell you to try with the FF4 beta, but the latest one is so excruciatingly slow on Windows.
 
@radp Session and local, yes; others, no.
 
Hey there everyone
 
@PopularDemand same here.
 
4:46 PM
'Ello @TheUnhandledException
 
@TimStone How goes?
Hey @PopularDemand, how are you feeling today?
 
Not too bad, you?
 
Good. Very busy with work, but good
 
@TheUnhandledException Not 100%, but much better, thanks.
 
Glad to hear it
 
5:03 PM
allo
 
Hey @rchern, how are you today?
Hey, @Pekka is here, w00t! XD
 
Oh right, I went off earlier shaking my fist at Python.
resumes fist shaking
 
@TheUnhandledException Why "XD"? Do you actually dislike Pekka?
@TimStone Why'd you stop?
 
@PopularDemand I do not dislike Pekka, my impression was XD is an irc smiley
 
i'm alright. you?
 
5:07 PM
@PopularDemand I think I passed out or something.
 
Maybe you prefer (-: @PopularDemand?
 
^__^
 
@PopularDemand I find @Pekka is good competition for answering PHP questions, LOL. Seems like 90% of the time I go to answer/edit a PHP question, he has the same idea :-)
 
@TheUnhandledException Ah. Never used IRC.
@TimStone Ah. Yes. You must remember to maintain an appropriate amount of vigor.
 
@TheUnhandledException I want to steal some of his upvotes from that PHP object variables question though. ;)
@PopularDemand I think that the frustration got to be too much for me, heh.
 
5:10 PM
@TimStone I missed that one...
 
@TimStone Sounds like you want to modify this:
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Q: Stack Overflow's voting system is not entertaining enough

Sid MeierI submit to you the following quartet of indisputable facts: Stack Overflow is for people who are bored at work. Having animations and video games are more exciting (and therefore less boring) than not having animations and video games. Chrono Trigger is the best video game ever made. Downvotin...

 
@TheUnhandledException Nah, his answer was good, I'm just jealous of his upvotes ;)
 
@PopularDemand That one's so great
I love Chrono Trigger :-D
 
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Q: Why don't PHP attributes allow functions?

SchwernI'm pretty new to PHP, but I've been programming in similar languages for years. I was flummoxed by the following: class Foo { public $path = array( realpath(".") ); } It produced a syntax error: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '(', expecting ')' in test.php on line 5 wh...

@PopularDemand Hahahah :P
 
@TimStone Both your and Pekka's answers were good, +1 for both!
 
5:14 PM
@TheUnhandledException I'm more of a Cmdr. Keen fan.
 
Heh, thanks. ;) I actually was just happy to have an answer to that question myself, since it had confused me as well.
I'd also like to have an answer to this Python/dulwich/hg-git nonsense too, but that doesn't seem very forthcoming at the moment...and I really shouldn't spend time on it right now, argh. Damn you, curiosity, damn you.
 
5:29 PM
Am I out of line here?
0
A: Stack Overflow T-Shirt: where can I get one for now?

joshcomleyYou could make one yourself, lots of online places print t-shirts (not sure which country you're in, otherwise I'd pre-Google some links)

 
How is this chat implemented? Is it built by stackoverflow entirely and closed?
 
@bentsai Yep. balpha and Marc Gravell.
 
@PopularDemand Not at all, the thought of someone bringing SO into their bedroom activities disturbs me greatly. :P
 
Also my brain is running at about 50/50 right now over whether your username is "Ben Tsai" or "bent sai."
 
@PopularDemand I don't think you can get in trouble if you're not giving the shirt to anyone else, but I'm not sure. Downvoting seems unnecessary, but that's just me
 
5:32 PM
Be NT, Sai.
or, Bent's AI.
Are you a bot, @bentsai :P
 
@PopularDemand I've always wanted to purchase some rubber practice sai's and display them bent
 
@bentsai I had a couple of those years ago for a Halloween costume.
Which is probably why I thought of it.
 
sweet
@PopularDemand is balpha a username?
 
@bentsai yes.
 
Row four, column three (or row 3, col 2, depending on how you're counting).
 
5:36 PM
thanks for the info. Our company is looking for something really similar. We use campfire now, but my boss wants all these other features.
But I guess this is not available to hack:)
 
@MichaelMrozek It wasn't so much to indicate "careful, you can get in trouble for this" as "this is not the most ethical thing you could possibly do."
 
5:58 PM
4
Q: Java auto boxing/unboxing wierdness

GreenieMeanieThe code below produces a NPE: Integer test = null; Integer test2 = true ? test : 0; System.out.println(test2); To correctly print out "null" without an exception requires this code: Integer test = null; Integer test2 = true ? test : (Integer)0; System.out.println(test2); It's obvious in th...

Finish him! Fatality!
But no, it needs one more close vote if anyone's game. :P
 
@TimStone I'm voting to migrate your report to Regulator Headquarters.
 
@PopularDemand I was actually going to post it on the (misnamed) one on chat.SO, but I'd have been talking to myself, so. :P
 
Hm. I require lunch.
 
I need food too...which may be an issue, hmm.
 
6:18 PM
Mmm, food court sushi. What could go wrong?
 
FYI
http://twitter.com/richardcox13/statuses/29012209832
BBC R4 talking about The Unicorn this morning
 
@BrantBobby You misspelled "couldn't."
 
6:34 PM
@PopularDemand LOL
 
What does 'Edit Tag Wikis' do?
 
@javamonkey79 You know the little descriptions at the top of tag pages? Those are user-edited.
 
@Popular - thanks, for the kind response :)
 
"Java is a commonly used programming language, plus the ecosystem allowing Java programs to run unchanged on almost any hardware and software platform. See "about the java tag" for initial help." is part of the tag wiki.
 
Ah, I see - thanks much.
 
6:41 PM
No problem.
No problem.
There are all kinds of rules about who's allowed to actually edit which tag's wiki at what time, though.
 
@javamonkey79 Don't take offense at @radp -- he has a... unique... sense of humor :-)
He's mostly harmless though. Just avoid his death ray...
 
ha - no offense...it seems a little contradictory to what I've noticed on the SO communities...
Lot's of interesting functionality on SO...just haven't dived into the depths personally
 
@javamonkey79 A lot of it's new within the past 2 - 6ish months
 
Like this chat for instance? :)
 
Exactly :-D
 
6:47 PM
@java, your question actually was "What is a tag wiki?"
that's what I hinted to. :)
 
Weird, it tells me that I've earned the privilege to 'Edit Tag Wikis' yet, just poking around this is what shows up on the bottom of the java tag:
To edit this wiki, you must have a total score of 100 on non-community-wiki answers in this tag (you currently have 53), and at least 2000 reputation.
 
You can edit tag wikis of tags you have a bronze badge for
 
the 2k reputation is an additional barrier.
 
It's actually only 1500; supposedly that was fixed
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Q: Inconsistent rep requirement for editing tag wikis

Michael MrozekThe Stack Overflow privileges list says you need 1500 reputation to edit tag wikis, but the bottom of each tag info page says: To edit this wiki, you must have a total score of 100 on non-community-wiki answers in this tag (you currently have X), and at least 2000 reputation. Is it 1500 or ...

 
6:56 PM
@radp - I don't see badges associated with tags...just badges
 
If you have no bronze tag badges, you cannot edit tag wikis unfortunately.
 
You can if you're one of the top 20 answerers
 
I see. That 'tags' tab is sneaky ;)
 
Though for most tags this is redundant with the bronze badge.
 
@javamonkey79 Yep.
 
6:58 PM
@TimStone Redundant on StackOverflow anyway :)
 
Right. :)
 
The top 20 is for smaller newer sites (and tags).
 
@MichaelMrozek Ha, you asked the question, waffles edited it, then waffles answered the question and you edited his answer
 
and everybody hugged afterwards in wikilove.
 
lolz
 
7:32 PM
Has the "no CW questions" change had any effect?
 
So, ...
I really hate when schools show videos about Sex discrimination that are 12 years old
especially when its girls getting the shaft
When I feel now a days, because of all of these program supporting everyone except white males, we are starting to be discriminated against.
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it seems like Anti-Discrimination is simply 'Revenge'...
I'll all for racial and gender equality... but equality means equal...
not 'Swayed in the favor of the minority'
 
@PopularDemand Yes, it means a bunch of questions get posted as non-CW instead, with the comment "I would've made this CW if I could"
 
So...
There is my rant for today
 
Yep, and equality should mean 'equality of opportunity'
 
@MichaelMrozek Yes, I have been discovering this. It makes me sad.
 
7:41 PM
the thing about a 'Battle' for women, is a battle inherently means someone has to loose
You can't have a 'Battle' for Equality..
 
@MichaelMrozek, that gives us a very good reason to kill those questions then
 
@LanceRoberts We always had a good reason; the arguments stayed exactly the same as they've always been
 
Perhaps if you hover your mouse over where the CW checkbox used to be, you should get a modal window reading " Don't submit this question. You suck. "
 
"take it somewhere else, this isn't a question" vs. "this is interesting, we want it"
@PopularDemand My suggestion was:
Oct 20 at 19:15, by Michael Mrozek
They should've just left the CW checkbox but had it disable the "ask question" button when it's checked
 
@MichaelMrozek I remember that. I think I starred it.
 
7:43 PM
@MichaelMrozek Yes, I didn't let it stop me, but some people let it slide if it was CW, now they have less of an excuse, and hopefully behavior is changing.
Remember to keep signed into the Regulator Headquarters so questions can be shut down quicker.
I just found an egregious one (decided to do a text search on "community wiki").
 
@LanceRoberts Remember to award me a 500-rep bounty and a 400-rep bounty on SO today so I can help.
 
[I do like the answer to the bad question though]
 
and then do the same for me with an additional 500-rep bounty...
(;
 
I'll take 500 rep if we're just giving it out
 
The problem with Reg HQ, as we all keep saying, is that not enough people keep it open. So how can we incentivize participation there?
 
7:49 PM
I'm too poor on SO, just broke 5k, a long way to go to get to the tools.
 
@PopularDemand Theoretically you only need 5 people :)
 
@PopularDemand Teach them that they don't have to keep it open, if they don't sign out of it, then they can just watch the byline on this page.
[Though I keep it open]
 
@MichaelMrozek And we don't even have that, I don't think.
 
I mostly just got tired of constantly arguing with people about closed questions, it feels like such a waste of time sometimes
I used to check the lists all the time; I generally don't anymore
 
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