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5:07 AM
@Tim - Hey that you on the DB question?
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Q: Database Design - Should one-to-one relationships be avoided?

user118190For the sake of simplicity, I'll ask the question straight out: should one-to-one relationships in database design be avoided or this acceptable? I know all of the attributes of this "item" can be all hosted in ONE table, but I feel when converting my database design into business objects via ...

 
Tim
That is weird.
 
Get in on that
 
Tim
@AidenBell No, I was trying to figure on this mess:
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Q: Weird &nbsp problem in firefox

PatrickHey guys, need some help here. http://www.otojo.com/ is the site. If you scroll down to the article titled 'Latest Cyanogen nightly adds FM radio to Nexus One', you can see that the description went out of place in firefox. If you inspect it via Firefox addon, it shows a lot of &nbsp. But if ...

 
If it is being run through PHP's DOM api that can cause it
Or getting stuff from the DB after encoding and stuff
 
Tim
I actually think that DB question is a duplicate, heh.
 
5:12 AM
awww
quick +1 me
 
Tim
:P
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Q: Is there ever a time where using a database 1:1 relationship makes sense?

PulseheadI was thinking the other day on normalization, and it occurred to me, I cannot think of a time where there should be a 1:1 relationship in a database. Name:SSN? I'd have them in the same table PersonID:AddressID? Again, same table. I can come up with a zillion examples of 1:many or many:many ...

 
;)
What's your SO ID?
 
3 golds :(
Aiden Bell, United Kingdom
14.1k 15 41
 
Tim
To be fair, my Great Answer was for this:
 
5:17 AM
god knows why I have a java tag
 
Tim
140
A: Check if at least 2 out of 3 booleans is true

TimJust for the sake of using XOR to answer a relatively straight-forward problem... return a ^ b ? c : a

 
nice
 
Tim
The whole answer fits in the onebox, heh.
 
The tags are really misrepresentative
I know nothing about C#
 
Tim
I should be ashamed that PHP is before Java, heh.
 
5:18 AM
Are they watch tags or badge-tags?
 
Tim
They're ranked by the number of answers you've provided for questions with that tag, I believe.
 
oh
glad C is on there lol
I'd hang my head in shame if it wasnt
 
Tim
It's funny, most of what I do right now is in Java, but I stay away from answering most of those questions...I comment on other people's answers instead, heh.
 
I think you need a more distinctive SO display name
Tim the talker or something
in a good way
 
Tim
Plus, half the time I go to answer Jon Skeet beats me to it, and that's game over anyway.
 
5:21 AM
One of the first questions I answered way back when, I got in a bustup with Skeet before I realized his 'rank'
 
Tim
Yeah, I've been meaning to update my SO + related profiles, I've just been...very lazy.
 
I wonder what the box would display if I'd drop mine in here
 
Tim
Heh. I've seen him be slightly off before, but his answer speed and general level of correctness makes it hard to contend. ;)
You need more jQuery!
 
Odd, IE and Firefox
 
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A: Where is MVC a bad thing?

Aiden BellI tried MVC in my network kernel driver. The patch was rejected.

 
Tim
5:23 AM
Hahahah
 
@AidenBell Hahaha...
 
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A: Why are comments in code colored differently?

Aiden BellIt depends on the settings in your IDE or editor. Comments don't have a set colour. They are just letters.

 
Tim
Nice :P
 
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A: Basic Complexity Question - Convolution

Aiden BellO(MN) seems right if I understand that for each pixel in the image the convolution is the adjustment of pixel values in the neighbourhood N, regardless of N being square. N could be best-fit triangle ... but providing the pixels in the neighbourhood are adjusted for each pixel in the image then O...

a fav
 
Hey, please... you've seen nothing... this is my highest voted answer
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A: Why does all browsers do not set all output perfectely ?!!?

Yi JiangHow to fix this page Let's help you out here a bit... Use a Doctype See @Topera's answer To make everything center aligned Please do not use var winSize = $(window).width(); var margin = (winSize-1000)/2;; $('#main').css({'margin-left':margin,'margin-right':margin}); } Instead, use th...

I still don't know why it got so popular
Maybe because of that ridiculous title
 
Tim
5:25 AM
@YiJiang Because the web is a scary place...
 
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A: In game programming are global variables bad?

Aiden BellThe trouble with games and globals is that games (nowadays) are threaded at engine level. Game developers using an engine use the engine's abstractions rather than directly programming concurrency (IIRC). In many of the highlevel languages such as C++, threads sharing state is complex. When many ...

My top, never written a game in my life
 
@AidenBell Funny how things go... :)
 
25
A: Is Software Engineering Dead?

Aiden BellThis sounds alot like the software, art or engineering? arguments that go around. IMHO, software engineering assumes fixed constructs like duffymo stated. Mechanical engineering has the laws of physics to contend with. In programming we have other rules such as business constraints, chip constr...

 
And beating someone who stated that he'd worked on several triple A game titles before
 
lol
I just look out for compiler questions these days
lost that "glued to SO" thing
 
5:28 AM
This is my third highest... see, my answers aren't really gems of wisdom ;)
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A: Why is this span bold in every browser except Firefox?

Yi JiangI've found the problem, but its not pretty. I don't know what Javascript voodoo you are using, but conjuring up code this bad takes some serious mojo. <div style="position: absolute; z-index: 1010; left: -250px; top: 0px; width: 250px; visibility: hidden;" id="tOoLtIp032"> <table cells...

If you look at that site, you'll see that he still haven't changed his Javascript
 
Tim
Heh, without even looking I know I upvoted you on that answer ;)
 
It's still generating the nightmarish HTML
 
Tim
That makes me sad. :(
 
@Tim
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Q: Making a J2ME Midlet sleep without threads?

Aiden BellHi All .... Quick question ... Using J2ME (CLDC 1.1, MIDP-2.1) is it possible to sleep the Midlet for a period of time (not using threads)... For example: public class myMidlet extends MIDlet{ public void startApp() { /* Sleep for 10 seconds */ /* The answer was: */ ...

that shows how little I know about Java
 
Tim
At least the OP claimed not to have been responsible. But that may have been in fear of backlash, heh. ;)
 
5:31 AM
@YiJiang - Why don't we all standardize and contribute to WebKit?
 
Tim
@AidenBell Because I hate the text input highlights.
 
@AidenBell Eh? What does that have to do with anything?
 
@YiJiang only the browser questions you have been oneboxing?!?!
 
harro
 
@AidenBell That one? Nah, go read my answer. Specifically, the last line.
 
5:33 AM
@Chacha102 harro der
 
Tim
'Ello @Chacha102
 
@Chacha102 harrowutrudunnninghare?
 
@YiJiang yea whatever :P
read it. It smelled
 
I just pushed my unattackable code to...
 
@Chacha102 ... Look, if the attacker get's to your server, they can easily upload a new version of the Javascript that redirects all your visitors to erm... less than friendly sites
 
5:35 AM
/*
     * Auto-growing textareas; technique ripped from Facebook
     */
nice
 
@AidenBell I've borrowed scripts from other Github libraries..
Things that I'm really not interested in building myself
 
@Chacha102 ah
 
eventually I'll put in attribution..
 
Hey look, cooking came out last night while I was sleeping
 
slurps starbucks seattle latte carton
hmmm
 
5:38 AM
Should I go over there and whine about the design?
 
Hey @JeffAtwood
@YiJiang - No, they are new
 
Hey @JeffAtwood What ya up to?
 
Tim
@YiJiang @Jin did ask that you provide feedback on the meta, if you had any specific complaints. I think the design came out quite nicely, overall.
 
@Tim Mmmmhmmm... it's the font again
Museo Slab at anything under 24px shouldn't be used
 
@JeffAtwood - I tell you, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/67442/… went so bad ... I am only just recovering lol .... my last comment sums it up
 
5:39 AM
I blame Macs for these font travesties. Not even kidding
 
Tim
I blame Macs for many things.
 
I'm using a Mac..
 
I'm updating the chat faq with screenshots and stuff
any suggestions
 
Ooooo
 
examples of what not to star ------------->
 
5:40 AM
Use the Tavern as examples :)
 
It's funny, when looking to refresh the page, I instinctively reached out to the top left corner of the page and tried to click on the non-existent logo
 
@JeffAtwood - I only discovered the search yesterday
 
I blame the SE network for giving me the habit of looking for the logo at the top left corner
 
I once made a Greasemonkey script to have the logo refresh the current page rather than go to the home page
 
@JeffAtwood show things like the popups on clicking avitars for a wealth of info
 
5:42 AM
@Chacha102 Want!!!
 
since I wanted my home page to be the new questions page, but I instincitvely press the logo..
 
@JeffAtwood and the 'multichat' area that shows other room activity
 
@Chacha102 I do that so often it's not funny anymore
 
I dunno what would baffle daft people tho
 
@YiJiang $("#hlogo").click(function(){ location.reaload(true); return false;});
 
5:43 AM
Hello @MarcGravell - Im ready for the grand (and lonely) opening
06:43am local time
 
Oooo
Are we launching something today?
 
slurps more coffee
@Chacha102 - Na, not for an indeterminate amount of time yet
 
@AidenBell 4pm here. Nice and sunny.
 
Tim
At this rate, SO will be the death of @AidenBell
 
well, we're just doing the all-important "pick a ding" thing...
 
5:44 AM
Pick a Ding?
You mean a sound?
 
@YiJiang - Last time I went to Singapore, there was an attempted kidnapping on me
 
indeed
 
Tim
Can we be alerted with the sound of galloping unicorns?
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YES!!!
 
Or an English butler "ahem"
 
5:45 AM
@AidenBell Funny, this place is so small I'd think that would be frontpage news
 
You see, when I created the Tavern, I knew that great things would one day be thought of in here. @Tim has accomplished that
 
@Tim That would finally give me a reason to turn on the sounds for this
 
@YiJiang it was in like 1996 or something. A bunch of people with "JESUS" written on green waistcoats
weird
 
chacha will be immortalized in chat help
LIKE WE PUT HIM IN CARBONITE
 
@AidenBell Okay, no, I only came to Singapore in 2000.
 
5:47 AM
@YiJiang one day, an attempted kidnapping will come your way lol
 
Can I just be frozen instead. At least then I can watch what is going on around me...
 
@AidenBell Would be fun. Nothing ever happens here.
 
@YiJiang - Na I may have ended up as kung-pow-aiden
 
Tim
5:48 AM
@YiJiang Except the building of awesome new...buildings.
 
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Q: How to prevent JavaScript Injection Attacks

ganukeCurrently I have developed a site which is used for handle financial transactions. I have seen that some of my customers have done JavaScript injection attacks and have done some transactions which are not possible. As a example I have checked his cash balance before he place the order. But some ...

 
I feel like answering "Don't Use Javascript"
 
@MarcGravell @JeffAtwood can we have <strike> markup in chat?
actually, what a stupid place to ask
 
5:51 AM
@AidenBell Not until they implement that in the comments, so that would be like in erm... six to eight... no scratch that, it probably will never happen
 
Tim
@YiJiang I've heard it's in the timeline to be fixed after they patch the bug in your name.
 
@Tim So if I change my name they'll allow <del></del> in comments? Great! I'll do it at once...
 
Is there anyway we could make it so that the general public has the few migration paths, and mods have all the migration paths?
 
@AidenBell Technically speaking, <strike> is deprecated. Should be using <del> instead
 
That way in the rare instance that a cooking question is asked on SO, at least someone might be able to migrate it?
 
5:53 AM
Well, SO markdown has <s>foo</s> ;p
 
<s>foo</s>
....
You lie!!!!!
 
Anyone else found the upload has slowed to a crawl?
 
that's better
 
5:55 AM
once chat.so is up, we need lots of people forwarding questions about it to the new improved chat /faq
 
@Chacha102 I said "SO markdown", not the mini-markdown that chat uses. My point was <del> vs <s>
 
@JeffAtwood aye aye
 
Well if we're going there...
 
oh god, what have I done?!?!
I don't want to bond like this
 
lol
 
5:57 AM
Hey @Chacha102 you starting Tavern in chat.SO?
 
it is a good job we don't faul into the geek stereotypical behaviours... oh... wait...
 
Once I have the ability to...
aka @MarcGravell What is the password?
 
@MarcGravell - You say that, but im typing on my motor bike whilst lifting weights and directing porn
I am infact this guy
 
@Chacha102 lol flagged :P
why has this devolved into motivational posters :S
 
6:01 AM
Chat.so already has a tavern
 
I think I posted the Muffin Cat...
 
@AidenBell Not sure if anyone would try to kidnap you if you looked like that :D
 
Tim
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Q: Div relative positioning issue (IE being the normal b****h she is)

SusagittikasusaThe HTML: Neighbourhood Broadcast The CSS: /#broadcast_header { background-color: #A0522D; width: 100%; height: 20px; position: relative; top: -20px; font-weight: bold; } Firefox: All fine, header appears 20px above the div, its cool. IE: Refuses to show div(broadcast_head...

 
@YiJiang the ladies
 
we create default rooms now
 
6:01 AM
@balpha How can it be a tavern when I didn't create it?
 
agreed
 
Oh .. you mean a General room..
 
Yes
 
Does it have a witty description?
 
@Chacha102 - Don't worry, we will all cram into your room to make sure it is the one
 
6:02 AM
@Tim (Annoyed) This is happens when you have 5 2k'ers and a question with a bad word in the title
 
Meh, I guess the sequel is never better than the original...
I want to make 'The Uncaught Exception - There is always one of them left in the production code.'
 
Well thank goodness it wasn't five people. Might have gotten CW'd very quickly
 
Im on 'Dating'
hehe
 
Tim
@YiJiang For a second I thought that they intentionally undid your title edit, heh
Seems like it was probably by accident though.
 
There are people in Chat.SO!!!
If you press let me in, it shows the room/user counts...
2 Rooms Active, 1 Person Active
 
6:08 AM
I lold
The ad-man that designed that needs a medal
 
@AidenBell Tell him to make one himself :) jsfiddle.net/KjAWh/7
 
nice
@YiJiang - that's pretty good. Make the BG color the same grey as in here and were onto a winner
 
@AidenBell The server side scripts are still better actually, but that was pretty fun too
And, on the plus side, since it's all HTML + CSS, it's quite flexible
 
I need to upload my newest version of Triton to my server
So I can get some feedback..
 
6:16 AM
Morning
 
Tim
'Ello
 
The best thing about the chat is the title showing the number and * messages for when minimized
full winnage
 
Hehe... I'm trying to kill Dropbox by trying to drop my entire icon collecting onto it
@AidenBell No, I don't think that's enough. I want to be able to pin this tab, so the favicon should be dynamically updated with that information
Like how Better gReader does it
I've just dropped 5500 files into my Dropbox. The total size is only about 3mb, since it's all tiny icons.
 
@YiJiang - Caffeine much?
 
Tim
You have 5500 icons? Impressive.
 
6:19 AM
:P
 
@Tim Not mine, but rather a icon collect I use pretty often
 
oh 5,500 is nothing..
 
didn't know famfamfam was 5,500
heh
 
try 13,500 on my desktop
 
Tim
+1 famfamfam
 
6:20 AM
@AidenBell Not bad, close, but it's not famfamfam
 
"34.5 MB on disk (19,639,415 bytes) for 6,202 items"
 
Like I said, more flexible.
 
Tim
6:43 AM
Oh look, the chat link appeared on SO proper, heh.
 
heh
knock knock
 
@AidenBell Knock harder, dammit :P
 
it would appear that the door is open
 
Tim
Oh, his knocking worked ;)
 
wut
 
Tim
6:49 AM
You're missing out on the chat @AidenBell
 
@AidenBell, same name?
 
Yep
 
that will be too confusing - call it The Bar :)
then we can do a pub crawl
 
Well it is on a different domain :S
 
37 messages moved to getting so chat working
 
Tim
6:59 AM
Hahah
 
Anyway, this discussion belongs over there....
meta question - I just got the 'you have earned the right to ask CW questions' message on webmasters - except that that functionality has been killed. Does anyone know if that's already been brought up in a meta question anywhere?
 
it's still valid, it's just CW answers now
CW questions aren't really allowed as a user interface ability because it caused too much angst and problems
 
@JeffAtwood, I'm not questioning the removal of the CW questions, just the message (maybe I didn't read it properly) seemed to say I still could.
btw, have you read the suggestions to emphasize the "edit my junk" more than the "no rep here"?
status-completed
ok
 
7:17 AM
Eating half of a pizza and then going to bed may not have been the brightest idea.
 
Tim
@GeorgeMarian No, but it sounds delicious.
 
Yes, yes it was.
Going down at least. The heart-burn, not so much. :)
 
Tim
Ah, pesky consequences.
 
@GeorgeMarian, you forgot the whisky :)
 
Yah, the beer I drank with may have ad something to do with it.
@Benjol I need to buy more. =(
Alas, the liquor stores close at 7 PM here mon-thurs! =/
 
7:20 AM
@GeorgeMarian, well it's a good excuse to get up and check out chat.SO, I guess :)
 
lol
I dunno if it was the heartburn that woke me up or the cat furiously grooming herself right by my head.
It certainly was the heartburn that kept me from going back to bed. Thank goodness I have ginger ale.
 
chat.so is the same as here, but oddly orange
which is exciting
 
Yah, the orange isn't helping my heartburn right now.
 
@GeorgeMarian confusing?
 
7:32 AM
@Chacha102 - Get over to the SO tavern so I can admin you lol
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guys, I can't handle all the excitement (and work at the same time), cutting down to just chat.SO, you're all there anyway :)
 
Tim
7:45 AM
@JeffAtwood @Chacha102 being used as the FAQ's mute example = priceless.
5
 
8:20 AM
@Tim How would you be able to tell it's real galloping unicorns sound?
 
Tim
@JohntheSeagull It would have to be @balpha-certified.
 
8:41 AM
@Tim link here
 
is it just local
 
Yeah
 
Will it be a chat-wide event eventually?
 
Or I'm going to assume so, otherwise..
Heh
You'll have to ask the powers that be ;)
 
8:44 AM
hmm
 
What the hell is a chat event in practice anyway?
Oh, it's the happy hour so instead of a single line I should write two
 
9:07 AM
Hmm. So my plan to go to sleep at a reasonable hour and get up for the chat launch backfired quite a bit
I would've caught it if I'd just kept my normal pattern
 
@MichaelMrozek It was all part of their elaborate scheme.
 
@TimStone Oh, I know
I almost joined the tavern to ask why they felt the need to make a second general room, and then decided I didn't even want to ask
Apparently I was wrong about everyone there just being the people here; I don't recognize most of those people
 
good morning :-)
 
@MichaelMrozek @AidenBell felt it important to establish an additional Tavern (in @Chacha102's absence) on SO's chat for the sake of being more popular than the general chat itself.
We could ask why of that as well...but we know it's best not to.
'Ello @echox
 
@MichaelMrozek - Get over there hehe
 
9:14 AM
I am kind of curious to see how the traffic pattern pans out over time...
 
@Tim - me too, but I have a soft-spot for here
 
@AidenBell I think you may have misinterpreted my tone about the usefulness of two general rooms :)
 
@MichaelMrozek - I didn't.
@Tim +1 for name addition
 
@MichaelMrozek Well, if you're playing by Jon Skeet rules, the SO Tavern has already won. If you're playing by unicorn rules...we know the easter egg, so the SO Tavern still wins.
 
9:29 AM
in General on Stack Overflow Chat, 18 secs ago, by Knu
btw jeff it seems ur working for SO - could you rename FreeBSD to BSDs in the description of Unix & Linux?
 
FreeBSDs
that doesn't make sense
 
@AidenBell That wasn't really the part I was amused by :)
 
Jeff is new to this whole SO thing, I'm not sure he's up to it.
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I found
in General on Stack Overflow Chat, 2 mins ago, by balpha
no, Jeff's not working
more amusing
 
What's sad about what @Tim just said is that it's true
 
9:31 AM
Jeff never works; he's the balpha of the SO world
 
Also, it is a meta chat when we chat about another chat
 
@AidenBell Seems appropriate :)
status-i-miss-status-tags-in-so-chat
 
status-yep
 
Clearly we're just going to need to write something that generates image versions of them
 
Ask @YiJiang he did some cool stuff earlier
he would love it
 
9:39 AM
(in case you didn't see that)
Not that it replaces the status tags or anything, but. :P
 
@TimStone Did you just link me to a transcript message that links somewhere else? You should make it go in a loop and see how long before I figure it out
 
Well.. erm... what do you want?
 
@MichaelMrozek <-- See this
 
@MichaelMrozek Oh I see
Right...
 
That would confuse them
 
9:40 AM
@MichaelMrozek I thought the local message would onebox, but I was wrong. Also, I should have, because that would have been awesome.
 
Super simple in HTML + CSS
 
But it needs to have the chat.so background
color
 
But a server generated version would be nice
 
@radp !
 
Mwahahahahaha
 
9:41 AM
oh hai
 
@radp chat.so is up!
 
yeah, meh :)
haven't been able to find a question I can answer on SO in ages
 
@TimStone :D That's quite amusing though
 
Indeed. :D
 
@YiJiang server yes, an image so it can be auto included, with a GET for text
 
9:51 AM
Yay, I can finally see flags. Take that MSO
 
@MichaelMrozek blocky
@YiJiang hows that tag generator coming on :P
 
@AidenBell HTML + CSS, I haven't learned enough GD, nor have a server good enough to do server side
 
@YiJiang HTML+CSS is fine, can screenshot it
@YiJiang BG color :S
lold
@YiJiang link to generator? :D
 
@AidenBell Very simple right now
Still trying to update the color
I might want to drop in a color picker in there
 
@YiJiang good thinkin
 
 
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