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6:02 PM
I'm tempted to make a prank call to it
 
@3ventic isn't that a paid call?
 
Not with my own phone of course
 
Where does one find a pay phone these days?
 
Nowhere
 
at gas stations in the middle of nowhere, @jadarnel27
 
6:06 PM
If you're at a gas station in the middle of nowhere that has a pay phone, you might as well give up. I've seen enough movies to know that help will not arrive in time.
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@jadarnel27 no, it arrives when everything is solved...
 
Haha, that is a distinct possibility as well.
I remember seeing pay phones at the airport in movies (and maybe in person a few years ago). Now they seem to be replaced with cell phone charging stations.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 25 mins ago, by ManishEarth
This was sent by ChatExchange
Currently can only write messages, that too to chat.SE, but the hard part -- the login -- seems to be covered
We can write proper headless chatbots with this :D
 
@3ventic Yeah, buy a burner phone with cash. (They're called that because you throw them in a fire afterwards to get the ick off, right?)
 
prepaids are a pain to use
And single-use phones aren't a thing around here. It's the country of Nokia 3210 after all
 
6:23 PM
Ah. I lose track of who's from which country.
Not that I knew that you didn't have single-use phones.
 
quick question: is there a process on what to do with questions where OP or someone else provided answer in the connect?
 
@SaUce connect?
Whazzat?
 
sorry *comment can't believe i typed that
 
ah. there is, somewhere.
@SaUce FWIW, you are allowed to steal it and use it (not word-for-word, of course) in your own answer IIRC.
but ask someone else first, I might be wrong :P
 
is there like a tag or something that can be set to identify that questions as being answered already? because it is unlikely in some cases that OP will ever come back to mark any answer as accepted
 
6:28 PM
I defer to @Pops
 
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Q: How should I handle questions which are answered in the comments?

RoflcoptrExceptionSometimes I have asked a question which got no answers, but is answered in the comments to the question. How should I handle these questions? I can't accept an answer, so it is never an accepted question. For example this one: Menu button can only be clicked one time (ok here the answer in the...

there you go @SaUce
 
@Undo That happened more in the early days. Now you're pretty much guaranteed to run into someone who accuses you of unfairly getting rep just because you understand the system better.
 
^ this
 
thank that what i was looking for
 
@SaUce No, that's been asked for and declined on meta many times with many variations. Will look it up later if you like; meeting time right now.
 
6:29 PM
@Pops Then they either serial downvote you and get reversed or they come to meta and we tear them apart or they do nothing. So...
 
hey guys, just a quick question, are there any guidelines on what sites to refer to and what sites not to refer to?
for example, w3schools is generally considered a bad source, and jsfiddle/jsbin/codepen are generally considered good online IDEs, but are there any guidelines on external site usage?
 
I wouldn't refer to porn sites
 
@rene ah I was just about to, thanks for the advice XD
 
Refer to official sources where possible, and what @rene said.
 
does youtube count as a porn site?
 
6:36 PM
No, but I wouldn't link to every video I see..
 
msdn and technet are my first two choices. Blogs by other SE users are also great, than you can steal an answer and give credit to someone.
 
There has been/is a fierce debate on all sites you mention in the example, I've found this post:
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Q: Questions linking to external web sites instead of showing code

PëkkaI notice a steady stream questions in the HTML and CSS tags that point to a site or CSS style sheet, and describe a problem without incorporating any code into the question. A few random examples: Problem With <hr> background of news ticker is cut off in IE7 IE CSS Problems Width is Stretchin...

 
@rene the question you linked that is from OP perspective, when you give option to person who provided helpful comment to put it into answer. What about when OP finds his own solution because he was never clear on what he needed but because people asked him enough questions he figured out his mistake and commented that he got it and does not need further help.
 
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Q: Discouraging w3schools as a resource

phwdI want to know how to deal with this. According to w3fools We feel, though, that W3Schools is harming the community with inaccurate information. Like any other authoritative educational resource, W3Schools should both hold itself to, and be held to, the highest standards. . . ...

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Q: When to use JSBin or JSFiddle?

CeleritasIn many answers I've seen links to JSBin and JSFiddle and found them useful. When asking or answering a question when is it better to put the code directly on the page versus putting a link to the code where it can run? For example, I wrote some small programs I did to narrow down the cause of ...

@SaUce That depends. If it the OP doesn't provide a solution but the question is answerable I'll leave it, if the question is only useable for the OP I'll vote to close. If the OP did provide the answer, either in an comment or in his question I edit it out in an Answer, citing the OP and if I'm generous I make it a Community Wiki. The questions needs to be a couple of months old before I do that. I also try leaving a comment for the OP
 
@rene seems like a quite good answer to my general question: so basically there's no single site that is discouraged, but the contents of each link individually should be evaluated before posting it
 
6:48 PM
That's how it should be.
 
Yeah, most importantly: without the link the answer still answers the question
 
In practice, some people might downvote you purely for linking to w3schools.
 
[SE-spam-detector-izer-er] SPAM - Bad keyword: mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/41426/… (LOVE problem SOLUTION babaji +91-9166007251)
 
I tend to find the authoritive source in general and link that
 
7:03 PM
guys, stackoverflow.com/questions/21465136/… should probably be moved to codereview, but I don't see the option to flag this to be migrated to it
"Flagging>Closing>Off-Topic>Migration" doesn't list codereview
 
a[href*="w3schools"] { display: none }
 
Code Review is beta @joeytje50. There is no migration option for it. If you think it belongs there, use the "other" option and explain it.
 
@Bart thanks, did that now
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 3 mins ago, by ManishEarth
Undo gets access to an API, first thing he does is try to post to TL
what else would I do?
 
Is this asking for a resource or is it a problem with a tool used by developers?
 
7:13 PM
Yeah, asking for an external resource. Don't see how it's a problem with a tool in the scope of the site.
 
OK
 
7:28 PM
[SE-spam-detector-izer-er] SPAM - Bad keyword: stackoverflow.com/questions/21465740/… (empty vector.size is returning 4294967295 in c++)
 
huh wha?
@DoorknobofSnow false positive.
 
It trips over the number. Thinking it's one of those phone numbers.
 
C++ is spam per defintion
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8:25 PM
It is somewhat in context spam, so +1 from me
 
huh wha?
 
flag it please @Undo
 
They did do a good job, though. Grammar is correct and I know what I'm supposed to go buy
@rene did
 
OK
@DoorknobofSnow you missed a true positive
 
@JanDvorak Nah, it's an isthmus away.
 
8:30 PM
@rene a false negative, you mean.
 
(Sadly, I can't find Stack Exchange on that map.)
 
@JanDvorak whatever...I got everybody's attention and that's what count
 
@Pops 40N 40W
it's a country on an island near the east coast of Google.
 
Yeesh. Thanks. I started with Google and was gradually going counter-clockwise.
 
or that :-)
 
8:35 PM
Or what?
 
Filing taxes is always so confusing...
 
luckily we only get trace amounts of stuff washed in by the spam stream
 
Certain mods would probably disagree with that.
 
wait, how can a sea stream end in a gulf?
there's no place for it to turn around, and it can't stay there either
 
You're really tempting me to say unkind things about Yahoo! Answers.
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8:39 PM
but that would require spam to flow upwards
 
"shit hitting the fan" as we call it
 
#1 spam downward flow maker in tavern +91 7517262
 
8:55 PM
@DoorknobofSnow around?
 
@Pops Increment asking for spammer stats counter by 1. :P
 
checks @hichris123's profile ... hmm, still not suspended
 
confused why these results were gotten... should be suspended by now
 
I cannot help but find this charming.
 
An iPhone drawing in an Android question?
 
9:07 PM
:P
 
Hey, at least it's more of a spec than for some of the projects I've worked on in the past.
Ooh, NDA has been lifted for the project I'm working on. Nice.
 
@Bart Tell us everything then. :P
 
@Bart What is it?
Me wantz to know.
 
@Bart Oooh, nice
 
9:09 PM
I believe there will be some videos at some point.
 
> asset management plugins for Unity
@Bart Now I see why you harp on Unity. :P
 
Welcome to my world.
 
What I remember about Unity is nothing.
 
That apparently puts you above most of the users asking questions in that tag. :p
 
9:26 PM
I sign off
cya
 
cya
 
@Bart That's good to know. Maybe I should start posting answers in the tag, considering that.
 
Give it a try
:)
 
There's a lot of animosity in the comments on the Stack Overflow in Portuguese blog post.
Maybe animosity is not the right word.
 
I just noticed that one of my questions is on the Community Bulletin at EL&U.
Is that just because it got upvoted (relatively) a lot?
 
9:39 PM
Stop using the first four letters of my name! Those are my letters!
 
@Undo yes
 
@animuson And the sixth letter.
 
in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 47 mins ago, by hichris123
@Undo One more question, what is the /\d{10} in /\d{10}|vashikaran|baba/i.test(qTitle)?
 
@hichris123 Because for some reason the spammer always posts phone numbers in the titles... O_o
 
@DoorknobofSnow Oh, so that searches for 10 number phone numbers?
 
9:42 PM
yes
 
Okay. :P
 
@hichris123 It searches for a ten-digit number, I think
\d for a digit, {10} to repeat \d ten times
 
@animuson Sorry. I didn't know you were so protective over those letters. There's no need to get so animated about it.
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@animuson I think I'm going to go watch some anime with animals in it. Maybe some animation too. Please don't animadvert me. Anim anim anim.
 
...y'all do realize that guy has a banhammer, right?
 
9:53 PM
:P
 
@Pops Hmm, invisible mod hammers are better. And imaginary ones.
@Undo You are needed in the room. :P
 
I am here
 
@Doorknob Are the catagories for your spam thingy only all caps & keyword?
 
@hichris123 yep, there used to be a "no spaces in title" but that gave too many false positives
 
Maybe we should let @Doorknob know that we're rewriting his spam finder :P
 
9:57 PM
Maybe... ;P
 
@Undo oooh, nice :D Then I won't have to keep it open in a tab all day :P
 
:D
 
I should work on one that searches questions and answers
 
correction: manish and hichris are rewriting your finder. I am watching because I don't know python :P
 
@Undo Just learn python now! :P
 
9:59 PM
:P
 
@Undo :P
 
Fact: I'm just googling some of this
 
@Manish @hichris I can help with the Smoke Detector later if you want, but I have stuff to do now
 
@jadarnel27 Entertaining read
 
wait a minute, @Undo and @hichris, why didn't I think of using web sockets before? :O
this could have been so much easier
 
10:04 PM
Oooo I hit 5k flags for the month ^_^
 
^ got that in about 2 minutes :P
 
@Doorknob I didn't think of it. Either Manish or Undo did. :P
 
ok, :P
I think I might rewrite my detectorizerer in Ruby
 
I really need to learn how to parse the SE API..
 
@hichris123 I didn't think of it :P
 
10:08 PM
Oh neat, I have a detailed seller rating on eBay now :o
 
@ɥʇǝS Oooh, that's easy. It's just JSON
 
@animuson Where's your <kbd> tag query?
 
@Undo You would hang your head in shame at my JSON parsing abilities.
 
I doubt they're worse than mine :P
 
lol
 
@ɥʇǝS use a JSON library?
 
I left off with start 17000000 end 18000000
 
@animuson So start 18000000?
 
Well I only did like 10 from that range, so... there was like 90
 
@DoorknobofSnow might help.
 
10:11 PM
There is a disturbing lack of devs in here.
 
I think I might rewrite SE-spam-detector-izer-er in Ruby but I have to work on other stuffs right now
 
@animuson You need to make an auto regexing editing thingy. :P
 
nooooooooooo
 
Well it currently searches for any link containing only a KBD
 
I know, but it should be able to edit them itself. @Undo :P
 
10:14 PM
Unless it contains multiple KBDs, which I've run across a few of those.
 
@TimStone know anything about the SE websockets?
 
Is that a serious question? Tim Stone knows everything about everything.
 
@animuson Well... I know there's a websocket for the realtime question feed, I want one for a realtime answer feed too :P
for spam magic
 
10:39 PM
@animuson Here's a <kbd>'er for you... on meta. :P meta.stackoverflow.com/a/23962/237685
 
lol KBD for tag?
To be fair, I don't think the tag syntax existed at that time.
 
Apparently standard practice in the old days before syntax.
 
Wish they'd get a badge syntax.
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Q: Add badges to Markdown?

Chris FrederickI always found it odd that although I could compose questions and answers with tags in markdown, I can't do the same for a Great Question, Great Answer, or any other badge. I assume that this is because, outside of Meta Stack Overflow, there is no real need to reference badges? Be that as it may,...

 
11:04 PM
Got a totally headless spam detector in Python (dependencies: BeautifulSoup, requests). Testing it out here
 
And we need your help to test it! Simply post a spam question of your choice onto an SE site. * not a real offer, please see T&C of SE.
 
@DoorknobofSnow /cc ^
(2up)
 
@Manishearth Wow, very nice! :D
does this mean I can finally close that realtime tab I have? :P
 
No need to write it in Ruby now, I guess. The python is pretty light. (unlike phantom)
 
ok
I can help with it after I'm finished with this project thingy I have to do.
 
11:06 PM
What we do need is better spam detection, the current algorithm is useless: github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/findspam.py
(no offence, @hichris123)
(to be fair christ whipped that up pretty quickly)
results from the test when I told it to pretend that everything is spam
screw the double encoding. Not my fault. :P
OK, my fault, but I don't care for cosmetics
 
@Manishearth Sorry, I'm not christ. :P @Doorknob needs to find some more trends in the spam, that's all he had...
@Manishearth Heh, I almost got you to recommend spamming SE to someone. :P
 
if all we have to work with is the titles, then that's pretty much all we can do -_-
 
@DoorknobofSnow We have the body... right @Manish?
 
is someone running it? I really want to close this realtime tab that I've had to keep open for a really long time :P
 
Manish is.
 
11:10 PM
I could create an account and get 20 rep and give the credentials to you so that you can use a separate account for it :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow We have the body
 
ah, then that will be really helpful
 
At least, a snippet of the body
Currently it's being tested, so results get posted here
 
Which is nothing so far...
 
@DoorknobofSnow you were running this in your browser?
 
11:13 PM
@Manishearth yes
 
owie
 
11:39 PM
@Bart Heh, glad you enjoyed it as well.
 
hey guys I just failed an audit which I absolutely disagree with, and I want to report it, but I can't find the link to it anywhere in stackoverflow.com/users/1256925/…
oh wait I found it in my browser history: stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/3941127
 
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Q: Is C++ really imperative? Lots of it look like declarative to me

user2341104I read that C++ is an imperative language, but looking at struct, class and other object type definitions, it looks like it is declarative? I mean, for example, members are simply declared within the object, they are not "appended" in some addMember() method of the object.

opinionated, too broad, both?
 
does anyone agree with that review audit? if so, why?
 
@joeytje50 Yeah, tool recommendations aren't allowed.
> Questions asking us to recommend or find a tool, library or favorite off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it.
 
@Undo what do you mean?
ah
so I was right, and that question should actually indeed be deleted?
 
11:47 PM
Yes, I agree with @undo and the review audit.
 
@joeytje50 At least closed, maybe not deleted.
 
Shog closed it. :P
 
sorry, I misread.
 
wow
 
okay thanks guys
 
11:47 PM
that should be deleted, yes.
 
weirdest review audit I've had so far
 
My petty little flag actually did something today. :P
 
and that does say a lot :P
 
I will click the delete tomorrow.
 
11:48 PM
ooh I'm going to go flag some comments.
 
@Undo Animuson hasn't shown up in a while...
 
we'll give him a nice welcome when he returns.
rushes to get vote in before shog
 
by the way, why did that review audit not show up in my stackoverflow.com/users/1256925/…
 
@joeytje50 yeah, there's a really unfortunate edge-case for the selection algorithm there; on the list of things to fix.
 
11:49 PM
@joeytje50 IIRC review audits don't show up in review history.
 
I thought that was only on deleted posts...
 
@Braiam Not seeing it. What's wrong with it?
 
@Undo err... what have to do that with programing?
 
meh, I'm on the fence
 
Braiam: I gave it a close vote already
the "duplicated" question was removed for the same reason.
 
11:52 PM
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Q: What’s (not) spam?

Konrad RudolphSomebody asked the following “question”: Clearly this is just a troll post so I (and other users) flagged it as spam. The spam flag was subsequently disputed (which I think simply means that a moderator rejected it): Huh? Puzzled, I took another look at the list of possible flagging reasons...

Livermush is not spam.
 
spam flags can be disputed?
10kers can't see them, though...
 
@Undo Yep.
 
@Undo: not as far as I know.
 
@jadarnel27 wow. I didn't think you could come up with a name for a liver-based food less appetizing than "liverwurst". But I was wrong. Thanks for surpassing my expectations again, The South.
 
@Shog9 Knowing is half the battle.
 
11:56 PM
So, it is just me seeing issues with this question?
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Q: Is C++ really imperative? Lots of it look like declarative to me

user2341104I read that C++ is an imperative language, but looking at struct, class and other object type definitions, it looks like it is declarative? I mean, for example, members are simply declared within the object, they are not "appended" in some addMember() method of the object.

 
@Braiam it's not going to be migrated, and it's close enough to "programmer tools" that I don't think it'll create a problem.
 
@Shog9: how is that close enough to programmer tools??
it is not even a tool question ....
 
@LaszloPapp meh.
 
wonders when the mSE split will happen
 
@LaszloPapp uh, what do you think a tools question is?
Hint: it has nothing to do with asking for tool recommendations
 
11:59 PM
@Shog9: a programming tool is a programming tool, but this is a generic computing question about software.....
 
@Undo when you believe in it.
 
it is not about a tool at all...
 

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