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5:00 PM
@ManofSnow Okay, for the millionth time: can you predict the result?
gah I'm convinced he's just trolling us, I'm going to leave now
 
Why can't I use random.org?
 
1 question, why the heck are we arguing about this?
 
@ManofSnow You can, we're just saying it's not necessary.
 
We're trying to figure out the best randomness
 
5:00 PM
@hichris123 Hehe, because we're programmers in a tavern.
 
searches for wall to bang head against
 
@ManofSnow PRIMARILY OPINION BASED. brings out nonexistent mod hammer
2
 
suggests to use a desk instead of a wall
 
beats head on aluminium MacBook
 
uses desk
 
5:01 PM
Ow.
 
@Undo Why's it have to be aluminum?
 
no spam appearing lately... that seems to be good
 
@DoorknobofSnow Maybe your gizmo is broken.
 
I'm going to leave for a while, but my spam script might post for me once in a while :P
@Undo it worked to detect that last one! :D
 
Even my head can't think of random numbers
 
5:03 PM
@DoorknobofSnow It wasn't even spam... :P
 
Wait, does stackexchange.com/questions?tab=realtime show every question that comes in?
(cc @Oded)
 
@hichris123 no, remember, the real one :P
@Undo yes
 
@Undo Yeah.
@DoorknobofSnow Real one?
 
How do we know?
 
reads transcript
 
5:04 PM
> A sample of the questions being asked and answered right now across the Stack Exchange network.
 
@hichris123 remember? The one on Magento?
 
Doesn't sound like all of them.
 
19 mins ago, by Doorknob of Snow
SPAM: http://magento.stackexchange.com/questions/14019/vashikaran-specialist-91-963659‌​5333 (vashikaran specialist +91-9636595333)
 
Wait, @DoorknobofSnow, what about answers?
 
Ah.
 
5:04 PM
@Undo well, it does seem to detect all of them
 
@DoorknobofSnow No, I wasn't here then. I was off doing work. :(
 
@Undo I don't think so. There is some hotness algo in place.
 
@Undo any activity. So yes, that includes answers.
 
Also, I set random.org to go up to TWENTY DIGITS (I know, it's not necessary, there's Math.floor)
 
@Oded Wait, I thought it was all questions with activity
 
5:05 PM
@Oded So we can't use it as a realtime-spam-detecty thingy ;(
What can we?
 
because whenever, say, I edit something, it always shows up there
 
"A sample of the questions being asked and answered right now across the Stack Exchange network"
 
@DoorknobofSnow Then you're just apparently a hot person. :P
 
It is in the sidebar
 
I think @Oded is mistaken, because whenever I ask, edit, or answer a question, I immediately see it pop up there...
@hichris123 lol :P
 
5:06 PM
@DoorknobofSnow I think Oded probably built the thing.
 
Nope - predates my time with SE
 
Oh
 
I'll test. I'll go edit one of my posts and it will appear there :P
 
I did random.org and got these numbers: 0.93083142788827773809, 0.42335645484605213440, 0.11210135389814766476, 352617478829646406

Math.random: 0.8312971024691315, 0.17041716675253005, 0.04736519017238472, 0.25994808065510755
 
@ManofSnow so do you notice a difference?
 
5:06 PM
@ManofSnow They look equally random to me :P
 
slaps self wait I promised to stop being trolled
 
@Undo It looks random, but it's not
 
How many 10k meta users do we have in here?
@ManofSnow Well random.org isn't either.
 
raises hand
 
Not I, said the Josh.
 
5:07 PM
@ManofSnow So can you tell? If I gave you a sample of Math.random numbers, and one from random.org, could you tell me which is which?
 
^ this
 
"Not I," said the Chris.
 
@Oded If it's a hotness formula, why do all the spam questions always appear there? I mean, they just get posted, so they're definitely not "hot"
 
And community bumped questions appear on the list too
 
and I often see heavily downvoted questions pop up when they're edited, even if they have no answers
 
5:08 PM
Seems like the list is random :p
 
@DoorknobofSnow That was more of an educated guess. I believe Kevin worked on this feed.
 
@Undo Yes, it is random. It listens for sound waves
 
Say, @Oded, quick thing on that realtime page: chue x on meta-stackoverflow. Looks like you're using the API sitename instead of the site's real name, right? Looks non-right.
 
@Oded okay then. Well if it always shows new questions (or so it seems), then it works for spam detection. :P
 
@ManofSnow What if I knew everything about everything? Could I then predict the numbers?
 
5:09 PM
@DoorknobofSnow Give me a sample, I'll try
 
@Undo Just curious, why did you name your flagging app "Charcoal?" (cc @hichris, in case he knows). I figured it's because you're "burning" (destroying) comments with it. But I wasn't sure.
 
Joe
What algorithm does random.org use I wonder
 
@ManofSnow Lol, ok
 
Joe
oh, atmospheric noise
That's ... interesting
 
@Joe Yes. Yes it is
 
5:10 PM
@jadarnel27 Because I was sitting in a chair one day and thought of that and though, "I should name a software thingy that one day"
 
Joe
I actually would bet that prng is better, overall
 
@Undo Huh, never knew that.
 
Joe
'atmospheric noise' could have thigns affecting it in consistent ways
 
@Joe Example?
 
Joe
PRNGs are very, very good for most purposes
 
5:11 PM
@ManofSnow Okay, where are these from?
6
6
4
3
7
5
8
0
8
2
6
9
5
7
1
4
6
4
8
0
 
@DoorknobofSnow Now show me other output
 
@ManofSnow "other output"?
tell me. Is that from Math.random() or random.org?
 
It looks like Math.random
 
I know :P
 
5:12 PM
Eh?
 
'6
6'
 
see, you can't even tell
facepalm Do you even understand what randomness is?
 
I told you to give me other output
 
I'm almost feeling like making a room Discussing randomness on SO.
 
From other thing
 
5:12 PM
what "other output"
 
Like if u did math.random other output would be random.org
 
He wants side-by-side.
 
but you can't even tell one...
 
@DoorknobofSnow Give him side-by-side, let's try it. Maybe he's on to something...
 
Joe
lol
Math.random is very good
 
5:13 PM
lol... ok
 
@DoorknobofSnow It looked like .org, but i thought you were tricking me
 
It's a lot easier to tell side-by-side than separated
 
@Undo Yes :P
 
Joe
You most certainly cannot tell the difference
between the two
 
#1:
8
9
1
1
1
5
9
3
9
6
3
6
2
7
6
2
3
0
4
5
 
5:14 PM

 Discussing randomness

*facepalm* Do we really need to know what is more random?
^ Here you go
 
#2:
1
8
7
8
4
8
6
9
4
5
2
6
1
7
4
0
2
5
3
 
I don't think I understand your explanation, @Undo. You're saying it was just arbitrary? Like, "If I ever write an app someday, I'm going to name is 'Charcoal,' because that's a cool word."
 
@jadarnel27 Kinda sorta. I had the comment-whacker app in mind at the time, but it was still a distant dream.
 
now you guess....
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandomness 'Such a process is easier to produce than a genuinely random one, and has the benefit that it can be used again and again to produce exactly the same numbers - useful for testing and fixing software.'
'It appears to be random, but it is not'
 
5:15 PM
@jadarnel27 If I'm ever going to name something, I'll just figure out a funny word and call it that
 
Joe
Modern PRNG generators are extremely efficient
 
@ManofSnow Would you stop quoting stuff you don't understand? Now tell me, is #1 random.org or Math.random?
 
This is so spine-tingling - what if i get this wrong
 
Joe
you have a 50% chance of getting it wrong
 
5:15 PM
Can we please stop posting such...vertically large messages?
 
what the
 
@ManofSnow @Doorknob please take it to here: chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/46267/discussing-randomness
 
Is #1 random.org?
 
Thank you!
It makes the chat scroll out of view really quickly on mobile.
 
5:17 PM
@jadarnel27 Now we can be more civil and talk about non random thingys. :P
 
Yes. Like colors that are more impressive than other colors. Brown, for instance. Nothing random about that.
 
For your reference.
 
\o/
Undo showed me that once. Hilarious.
 
Yeah. Well, you've left your impact on the world.
Brown will forever be the favorite color of the people of Earth.
 
Mission accomplished.
 
5:20 PM
:D
 
The mothership will be retrieving me at any moment now.
 
my favorite color is... 404?
 
rofl
 
yes? ... nevermind... ;-)
 
Let's stop complaining about randomness, I already decided I'm using random.org, and the fact that I added a huge features shows I have the right to choose :P
 
5:21 PM
You want a page for that @Doorknob?
 
@hichris123 lol :D
 
@ManofSnow Oh, absolutely. It's just a little unnecessary :P
 
if you made one... :D
or, I'll make a jsfiddle. hang on...
 
@hichris123 Your 404 page has 2 periods at the end
 
hmm, a moderator seems to have removed the downvote reason begging.
 
5:22 PM
'

Sorry, the page you were looking for could not be found..
'
 
(I have not flagged it)
 
@Laszlo Man, you are rather concerned about this "downvote reason begging" situation. Perhaps you should...move on?
 
nvm, jsfiddles can't access window.location :(
 
@hichris123 Why are you using the frame tag
@DoorknobofSnow What were you making
 
@ManofSnow It's @Undo's site actually.
 
5:24 PM
@hichris123 Ok
@DoorknobofSnow What were you making
 
(or my domain. hichris' server)
 
wait, nvm, window.parent
 
@DoorknobofSnow What are you making
 
darn it, security error
 
@DoorknobofSnow What are you making
 
SPAM: cogsci.stackexchange.com/questions/5542/… (What is psychological basis of the great love parent have for their children?)
 
If it's an error, you can probably get past it
 
lol, love :/
 
@Undo It was your domain & site at the time
 
@hichris123 :D Thanks
 
5:26 PM
@DoorknobofSnow NOT SPAM ALERT.
 
@DoorknobofSnow I got passed the same-origin policy
 
@DoorknobofSnow fail.
 
maaaaybe I shouldn't use "love" :P
 
@DoorknobofSnow What are you making
Can someone please tell me what he's making :P
 
A true random number generator. Powered by hamsters.
 
5:27 PM
?
 
This room has the 'waffles, bug, cricket' tags
 
@DoorknobofSnow What are you making
 
> I never dreamed my spam system would be put to use to repel Nazis.
 
What are you making
 
Joe
5:28 PM
Popcorn, I hope
 
Joe
I really was counting on that popcorn @Undo promised
 
@DoorknobofSnow What are you making
 
@ManofSnow Seriously. Please stop posting the same messages over and over again.
 
@jadarnel27 oh, he keeps talking? About randomness? I already plonked him
 
5:28 PM
@jadarnel27 Ok :P I'll use my mind powers to guess what he's making
 
(do people here call it plonking? in the Lounge they do :P)
 
I feel like I can get my answer by scrolling up
 
Joe
@DoorknobofSnow Technically, that's not a typo, that's not understanding how to call a function in Java.
So I'm not sure that should be closed?
 
@Joe I thought he knew how to call functions but just forgot to...
 
Joe
Well, perhaps, but you don't know him ;)
 
5:30 PM
@ManofSnow I don't care what you do to figure out whatever, as long as you are not spamming this chatroom. There's absolutely no need for that.
 
Joe
and he's on chapter 4 of learning Java, so
 
@jadarnel27: well, it is a serious issue IMHO.
 
meh, still, can't be deleted without being closed first
 
@Joe I think you meant to talk to me, not Doorknob, and I'm not learning Java. I think Java is terribile (I have no idea why, I just take it from a more experienced programmer, and this page: tech.jonathangardner.net/wiki/Why_Java_Sucks)
 
Spelling is terribile too.
 
@DoorknobofSnow I don't see an answer there.
 
> deleted by owner 40 secs ago
 
Ah
 
@DoorknobofSnow You fail.
 
Joe
@ManofSnow I was talking to Doorknob.
 
5:33 PM
you know, I'm really thinking I should remove "love"
 
Yeah
 
lol, I'm going to do that now
updated
 
@DoorknobofSnow: deleted by the owner one minute ago...
but I gave a close vote anyway, one more to go.
 
@DoorknobofSnow So does it search answer bodies? That's what AU has trouble with.
 
@Undo no, only the titles
...so far
 
5:35 PM
@DoorknobofSnow So you had security errors making a blue page..? jsfiddle.net/VhuH6
 
Joe
I have to say I'm annoyed by the two initial answers there.
I'm not sure if that's fair
but both of them were one line initially
then the 3rd answer was better and more detailed
then the original 2 expanded significantly.
 
I could easily make it search part of the body (theElement.innerText instead of theElement.getElementsByTagName('h1')[0].innerHTML), but that might result in too many false positives
 
Joe
FGITW racers
and are getting rewarded for it =/
 
@Joe At least they're fleshing out their answers with edits...
 
3
Q: Why does my Java code not execute System.out.println?

someoneinsaneI'm using the Netbeans IDE, and it has not detected any bugs. I'm just curious as to why this code is not executing. FYI this is Exercise 4.4 from "Think Java: How to think like a computer scientist." import java.lang.Math; public class Exercise { public static void checkFermat(int a, int b,...

 
5:37 PM
How many times can I make a request to the API per day max?
 
here is the question again if someone is willing to give the fifth close vote.
 
@Undo all API calls return quota parameters in the JSON
 
Joe
I know, and that's why I'm not sure it's fair.
 
like, mine that I for some reason still have open in some tab, is:
"quota_max":300,"quota_remaining":294
 
Joe
but I know I don't like people who quickly post one-line answers and then edit them back into content.
 
5:37 PM
figures out how many seconds are in a day
 
but if you sign up somewhere (don't have link right now) you can get 1000 quota I think
let me find the link
 
It's 10,000 with a key
 
There are 86400 seconds in a day
 
!!>10000 / 86400
 
Joe
5:39 PM
indeed
 
is Caprica in here? no
 
@Undo It depends on the route.
 
Once every 8.64 seconds seems to work.
 
yes.
why?
(also you need to respect the backoff parameter too)
 
@DoorknobofSnow Yeah.
I'm planning to make a thing for Ask Ubuntu that automatically checks for spam posts and pushes them to my iPhone.
 
5:40 PM
hmm
I think the API is cached heavily
 
Oh ;(
Forgot about that.
 
> While not strictly a throttle, the Stack Exchange employs heavy caching and as such no application should make semantically identical requests more than once a minute. This is generally a waste of bandwidth, as more often than not the exact same result will be returned.
 
dangit
 
you could still do it once per minute, I guess
 
@TimStone Is there any way I can accomplish my goal of checking for spam on the sites?
 
Joe
5:41 PM
and that would be how many API calls per year? :)
 
@Undo Could you tell me what is wrong with this?
 
or modify my spam script to somehow notify your phone instead of the Tavern
 
Joe
@Undo do you have a reasonable way of defining 'spam'?
 
brb, a bubbly yelow pancake just jumped under my ear
 
@Undo Probably not if your goal is to be instantaneous, but I don't see why a window of a few minutes would matter much anyway.
 
5:42 PM
@Joe Yeah, anything with 'alla' or 'koran' or anything like that posted by a user <10 rep.
@TimStone Ok, thanks!
 
You'd probably just want to hook into the /events route in that case though, since it makes finding what's new a lot easier.
 
Joe
Is that what the rogue AU posters post about?
 
It imposes a 5 minute request interval though I think, at least with respect to caching.
 
Ugh
@TimStone Is there a way to somehow hook up the new things coming from /questions?tab=realtime to my headless server?
 
I'm bored, I'm going to make a Stack Overflow app for iPhone and Android that gives you questions, answers, and comments to flag
 
5:46 PM
shrugs Not in a supported way, at least.
 
@ManofSnow Hehe, I already have the comments and answers part done ;)
Drat.
 
@Undo Maybe I can take your invention and turn it into a universal app?
 
@ManofSnow It's a webapp.
So it kinda is universal.
 
@Undo Ugh. WebApps
 
@Undo Make an API for it. :P
 
5:47 PM
Yes, please
 
@hichris123 I did at one point.
 
@Undo Link to API?
 
@ManofSnow API gone now. Not sure what happened to it.
 
Or I can just make it from scratch
Ok :P
From scratch it is...
 
@Undo Why?
 
5:48 PM
It'll be a normal stack overflow app like the android except with the flagging features
 
I think I never committed it and then I did something weird.
@ManofSnow There is an SE flag API now, just so you know ;)
 
@Undo Yes, I know :P
It's not like I was going to have the app go to the query stackoverflow and manually type everything in through the program
 
hehe
 
Only my app isn't going to tell people to copy/paste Javascript :D
How can you do that on iOS?
Therefore, not universal
Unless you make a bookmark
You should tell your users special instructions for iOS
 
I use it on iOS. Manish's bulk flag thing is a desktop luxury.
 
5:52 PM
@Undo Do you use iOS 7?
 
@ManofSnow Yes.
 
@Undo Okay :P
 
I'd We'd have to think about it - I'm a little wary of handing out API access to it.
It's still rather young
 
My profile pic shows a '46' notification next to it
Ok... that was weird
 
@ManofSnow You have 46 pings...
 
5:54 PM
:P
But I refreshed the ping thing
I'm making the android app first
 
is it okay to ask for attention for a question here?
(a question on Meta)
 
@joeytje50 Depends what it is. :P
 
Someone use the userscript :)
 
@ManofSnow I currently am
it will automatically make me post a message here when it detects spam
so I can just walk away from the computer and still have my account post messages :D
 
5:58 PM
I'm using it, too
I was on this chat all last night apparently, even though I was offline
 

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