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12:22 AM
It's 15 @ShadowWizard. Searching ...
grr, can't find a particular authoritative source other than the general "posts" one. So I'm guessing it counts as a post?
 
1:04 AM
I don't need it right now, but I've just noticed we didn't spam Data Explorer Discussions enough over the holiday period and it's been frozen.
 
@Bart not sure what you mean? what general posts?
 
general privilege page
Flags and upvotes on posts come at 15 rep. I guess that implies comments as well
 
Might be... so you'll add answer here?
 
Wouldn't be exactly authoritative.
 
Shog9's message above is pretty authoritative, don't think he guessed
He didn't tell his source but...
Bed time anyway, will post tomorrow if nobody else will do it by then :-)
 
1:14 AM
Sounds like a plan
 
Who's sock is that??
Well @Bart that sock ruined our plans :(
Night!
 
 
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3:46 AM
What is the highest vote count for a post that got deleted?
 
wow, thanks. It was deleted by delete vote casts? It does not seem to be deleted by a moderator.
 
It was deleted because the question it was on was deleted.
 
> deleted by ChrisF♦, Tim Cooper, Robert Harvey♦
 
was Robert a moderator at the point of the deletion?
 
3:52 AM
guess so
otherwise there are too few votes
 
I am just wondering if it makes for me to cast a delete vote on 50-60+ questions at all with 2-7 delete casts on them.
it might be useless as they might need 50-60 delete vote casts which is about never going to happen.
 
Huh?
 
well, it is unknown how this stuff works.
50-60+ upvotes does not make a crappy question good for me.
the only known thing posts need at least 3 casts, but it might be that they require too many for highly upvoted posts.
 
By default a post only needs 3 delete votes to be deleted or undeleted, and maxes out at 10 delete/undelete votes. If that's what you're wondering about.
 
in which case I would rather use my energy for something else.
well, 10 is not written in the help, so I was not aware of that.
perhaps it should.
 
4:00 AM
@LaszloPapp Hmm, you talking the page for Access to Mod tools privilege page?
 
They may have forgotten to add it. I don't think that delete vote cap is that old of a feature.
It's only been around for like a year or so. I can't even find the question that implemented it.
3
A: Cap deletion votes at 20 for megaupvoted golden oldies

Anna LearThere's now a cap of 10 votes on the required number of delete or undelete votes: from here on out, it will take at least three and at most 10 votes to delete even the most popular questions, and an equivalent number to undelete them. Source: http://blog.stackoverflow.com/2012/03/reputation...

Ok so that's been around for quite a bit more than a year...
 
@animuson You see how quickly you forget things when you become a mod? With a binding delete vote, delete vote caps and things like that don't matter. :P
 
@animuson: thanks, left a comment.
 
4:15 AM
we can't vote to transfer a post to a different SE site anymore?
 
@JeroenVannevel Depends. If the question is more than 60 days old, no we can't. Otherwise, the option is under Off-topic > This question belongs on another site.
 
ah, it is indeed 5 years old
just past the 60 days mark
so many invalid flags
half my flags lately are just that
 
 
1 hour later…
5:30 AM
oy
 
 
2 hours later…
7:54 AM
How did I ever get into the habit of having milk with my popcorn?
 
What is intended to happen with old questions that never got an answer, and it's clear that the relevance is past?
These things seem to clutter up the pool of "old questions to look through for something interesting to answer"....
 
8:30 AM
Magento starts accumulating spam
 
8:42 AM
Not really, I always remember it as a spam and idiocy magnet :)
Oh, you mean the site, not the tags on SO.
 
8:54 AM
Flagged and gone
 
now, we just need clean one post on Ask Different, Ask Patents and [apps] each.
wait, does stackapps.com even have shortcut?
 
nope
:)
Anyway, flagged again. This same guy has been going for several days now.
 
9:09 AM
I have been flagging him for ages
 
 
5 hours later…
2:00 PM
Magento needs more cleanup
 
GAH. Someone needs to inform them over there not to downvote, but just to flag.
Hmm, chat is acting up ...
 
I'll start commenting with every flag.
 
2:37 PM
@JanDvorak It looks like every spam question is gone now.
 
for now
 
I had two usefull spam flags on those last two. I was not paying attention...
Are beta sites also sending updates to /realtime?
 
they are
also, private ones
 
2:52 PM
Remember, people: flag as spam, don't downvote. — Jan Dvorak 29 secs ago
 
yep, flagged...
 
Geez, this is getting ridiculous. No community mod around at the moment? magento.stackexchange.com/users/4769/user4769 and magento.stackexchange.com/users/4767/sunil
 
@Bart the previous one has been deleted (post, not user)
 
Yeah, and I know the account will not be useful after a couple of them. But one of them is unregistered anyway. Given the volume perhaps this deserves a better look.
 
Should we try to find a CM?
 
@JanDvorak have a link to your spam tool for the real-time tab? Is it still functional?
 
@rene Whacked.
 
tnx
 
113
Q: We need to improve the quality of our spam!

UndoRecently, I've noticed a downhill effect in the quality of spam posted on Stack Exchange websites. Take this as an example (found on Space.SE): There are a great many things wrong with this artifact: There is not one capitalized letter in the entire post. (-1 grammar point.) The only pun...

 
3:11 PM
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A: SPAM deluge over at WebApps (and pretty much all over SE)

Jan Dvorakaug 19 - tex.se is under attack. Yes, this is a call to arms. Keep flagging the spam posts while you can, anywhere they go. As this seems much heavier than the initial attack, I will try to notify the tex mods as well. I have written a userscript for the network-wide real-time feed - just copy/p...

 
thanks
 
I'm trying to write a self-learning version
 
@JanDvorak It might interest you to know that we can flag as spam through the API now.
 
@Undo nice.
But I'll still want to keep a human factor in, and it's sometimes useful to open a question in a new tab.
 
True
 
3:15 PM
I suggest this workflow: heuristic -> (notification) -> modal [flag / open / not spam]
 
For reference, you take the option_id you get from api.stackexchange.com/docs/question-flag-options and use it in api.stackexchange.com/docs/create-question-flag
 
I guess I will need an app id?
21
Q: Can we get a visual indication that there are spam or offensive posts in the flag queue?

OliI know you're doing a lot of work on heuristic spam prevention across the network but I wonder if you've got some time to quickly improve the manual side of things. Below is what I see when I arrive at Ask Ubuntu in the morning: 10Kers have a similar lozenge for flags further along the bar. F...

 
@JanDvorak A key and an access_token
 
Oh. Time to learn oauth?
 
@JanDvorak If you have an iPhone/iPad/iOS thingy, I have an app that does it for you.
 
3:22 PM
negative
 
;(
Then I can't help.
 
Also, I think I should leant oAuth
 
Sometime I'm going to build a simple website to do the OAuth dance.
@JanDvorak Also, something to remember: With the new (unpublished) 2.2 methods, if you send your access_token over HTTP, they invalidate it on the spot.
 
so, I need to use https to access everything?
 
@JanDvorak It's not a bad idea, really.
Even the docs want https
 
3:26 PM
how much bounty should this question get?
 
3:48 PM
@JanDvorak Which one?
 
@Undo the one I've upvote-pls'd
 
Oh, no idea.
 
moi aussi
 
@rene Gone.
 
That was a fresh account because mine is next
 
:)
And I have another new account
 
@hichris123 +`
 
4:11 PM
That was fast :P
 
Should I get 6x an asssoc bonus so that I can multiflag?
 
@JanDvorak Just be a mod. :P
 
@hichris123 only works sitewide :-(
 
True.
 
We should make a big system (think userscript) that automatically tracks what is flagged as spam, then is posted by a chatbot into here or maybe a dedicated room.
I don't like the idea of vigilante justice, but...
 
4:14 PM
@Undo Kind of like the one for CV's, where it auto-adds it to a list if it's posted in a room?
 
@hichris123 Sort of, but instead of adding it to a list, we track when the users of the userscript flag something as spam. When they do, we either add it to a new list on Charcoal or we post it in a chatroom.
 
Interesting idea. How would you tell if they had flagged it as spam, though?
 
No idea. There has to be a way, though
 
I'd keep it manual for now
autoposting on flag doesn't seem to be easy (is there an API for the chat?)
 
@JanDvorak Oh, yes. Keep it manual, but automate the presentation of the spam.
 
4:17 PM
autoopening on a new message should be easy
 
@JanDvorak No API, but there was someone wrote a chatbot in PhantomJS, etc.
 
There is a chatbot, but the one I know of runs from within a chat room
 
Lemme find the link
 
or I'll just reverse-engineer the chat
 
4:19 PM
thanks, will take a look
 
I'd want to get approval from a CM or other person who knows what they're doing, though.
 
ah, it's just a POST with an fkey
 
yes, but you have to get your hands on the fkey. Which changes a lot.
 
of course, every flag needs to be confirmed by its owner
is the fkey the same for every SE site?
 
@JanDvorak No
 
4:21 PM
Is the same one in chat.metaso as in se/realtime?
 
I have a userscript floating around that adds timeline links, etc. and shows the fkey on the sidebar.
@JanDvorak As in the SE main sites? No sure
 
so, a copy/paste?
 
opens Chrome dev tools
@JanDvorak Yes... but the fkey changes like once a day.
 
I can just ask users to copy/paste the fkey from a chat room to the se-spam-helper
then a flag issued by the spam helper will autopost to that room.
 
But then you have to paste the fkey into the helper like once a day
I'm thinking that we use one of my sockpuppets as a chatbot, and all the spam flags go to my server. Which then posts using the sockpuppet.
 
4:25 PM
OK... spam poster could open the chat room in a new frame on the realtime page, then use postmessage/receivemessage to cross the origin boundary
 
Hmm
I don't think we really want to expose who flagged it as spam, though.
 
then post the fkey to its parent if it's running in a frame in a chat room.
@Undo I don't think there's a choice
[cv-pls] is public as well
 
@JanDvorak flag button -> userscript -> my server -> chatroom should work, right?
I just realized this is going to be really hard to test
 
not really; depends on when Baba comes again
 
Heh, true
Anyway, I've got to go now. Cya!
 
4:28 PM
Bye.
 
@Undo if your server is going to do the posting, just ping me when you stabilise the API, and I'll integrate it into the spam helper.
remember to enable CORS
 
Can anyone flag this and this comment please?
 
> we are offline
 
one my way @ProgramFOX
done
 
Wow that's fast!
 
4:40 PM
Both are gone.
 
@rene It's gone.
 
@rene high-five
 
I just smashed a high-five through my lcd monitor...
 
5:06 PM
> Still don't get folks' preoccupation with using code formatting for stuff that isn't in any way code. There's specialized markup available for other concepts if you really need to mark it up somehow.
 
Couldn't agree more
 
Remember, people: flag as spam, don't downvote. No need to close either. — Jan Dvorak 42 secs ago
 
@JanDvorak Another?
 
right now
 
Aaaand gone
 
5:09 PM
Hmm, I wonder why? :P
 
:D
 
@JanDvorak I don't know whether it is a good idea to keep commenting on these spam posts. See this answer
 
@ProgramFOX if comments cause more people to flag instead of downvoting, it's worth it
also, I think the volume has reduced since I've started commenting
also, I also disagree about some other comments made under that answer
 
Is there a reason these aren't merged but simply refer to the other?
 
> We are still offline
 
5:18 PM
That makes no sense.
Perhaps make it a Meta request, if a synonym would be in order. Though it's not really a great tag either way.
 
@JanDvorak What's that for?
 
SO is offline for me
 
I'm perfectly fine. Weird.
 
Fine here as well
 
works for me
 
5:29 PM
@JanDvorak Works On My Machine (tm)
 
Why not (TM)?
 
Oh, yeah
There.
 
I got my legal letter-in-a-circle's mixed up :P
 
status-youre-confused
 
5:32 PM
status-yeah
 
status-what-if-we-talked-in-status-messages-all-day
 
status-declined
 
status-why
 
status-you-cant-use-punctuation-in-statusus
 
status-grrr
 
5:35 PM
status-sadface
 
status-thanks
 
status-i-wonder-how-long-these-can-be-lorem-ipsum
So not that long
 
status-why-length-limits
2
 
status-because-legitimate-usage-doesnt-mind
 
status-more-cats
 
5:42 PM
status-we-dont-need-moar-cats
 
WTH FLAG THAT HERESY AS OFFENSIVE
 
status-you-can
 
status-you-can-burn-my-account-cause-mod-powers
status-or-leave-out-my-milk
 
5:54 PM
flagged as all the tags
 
Heh.
 
status-what-the-heck-is-going-on-in-here
 
status-we-are-wasting-database-space
 
status-this-is-fun
 
status-ive-never-been-chatbanned
 
6:01 PM
I have
 
status-neither-have-I
@3ventic Was it the one where you posted a meta question about it?
 
I posted a screenshot where someone in the chat said something inappropriate and that wasn't even the point of the screenshot..
I don't remember posting a meta post about getting chat banned..
 
Must have been someone else, then.
status-me-is-forgetful
 
status-forgetfull-is-misspelled-write-forgetful
 
status-completed
 
6:07 PM
> CODE 104-Key with Cherry MX Green switches will be available Jan 23rd. 87-Key version will be available by late February. CODE with Clears are expected to be available again by March.
Nice
Oh wait...
> No, we currently only have the CODE available with the standard US ANSI layout. We do not have plans for an ISO layout, but we will try to come up with a solution for that in the future.
Not so nice.
 
And no cats on the keyboard...
 
wtb a mechanic for great guidance
@ThiefMaster shame they don't come in UK layouts
otherwise I'd buy one
I'm in the market for a new keyboard atm
might just get another qpad one
 
how is UK layout different from US and ISO?
 
£ instead of #
" instead of @
additional key next to z
tall enter key
¬ instead of ~
alt gr key
 
@Flyk on shift+2? where is your @ key? altgr+q like in germany?
 
6:13 PM
@ is two keys right of L
right of ;/:
 
what i really dislike with altgr: on windows you can use ctrl+alt instead of altgr to get tertiary keys - but on linux you can't. and in some GTK apps on windows (gajim for example) you also don't. super annoying
 
two left from enter
 
i'm so used to type ctrl+alt+q for the @ symbol..
 
the differences are minor, the main thing for me is I hit enter by hitting enter at the top of the key, and US layouts have an additional key there instead and a single height enter key
plus \ and | are between Z and shift on the left
 
 
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7:24 PM
Did you know only 587 users are eligible to be a mod on SO? (Not excluding mods)
 
That should be enough to (s)elect one?
 
Yeah, just suprising.
It's the badges which are the limiting factor.
 
Ah, was going to ask why only 587
 
If you only require 3 out of the 4 required badges, it's 2033 users.
 
And >10k out of those 587?
 
7:32 PM
448 people with greater than 10K eligible.
So pretty much 4/5.
 
That's not bad.
 
320 people with greater than 20K eligible.
(SEDE query if you didn't guess)
 
8:05 PM
@hichris123 Really? Wow. Surprising.
Which badges are they?
 
@Undo Strunk and White, Convention, Deputy, Civic Duty.
 
Ah.
Huh. I have all of those.
 
There's 18,890 people with 3K+ rep.
 
That's it?
SO is much smaller than I thought it was.
 
Yeah.
1 rep + 2,443,591
200 rep + 99,398
500 rep + 72,110
 
8:08 PM
You don't have to SEDE those, BTW ;)
 
yeah
 
Me is just copying & pasting.
:P
 
:P
 
I'm at 28,093 ranking all time.
 
8:09 PM
@hichris123 Not bad.
 
So I'm 10,000 people away from 3K. :P
@Undo Thanks.
 
3k is closer than it looks ;)
Remember that you can still suggest tag wiki edits.
And get +2 from them.
 
I don't like having non-round numbers of rep, though.
I'm at 2120.
So I always get +15, +10 or +5.
 
Ah
 
Not +flagoption+. :P
 
8:11 PM
goes to downvote one post and upvote another
hehe
@hichris123 Have any ideas for what sites we should put into Charcoal next? We can do beta sites now :D
 
Not really...
 
Hmmm
I think I'll go give JohnB something to do.
 
Like what?
 
Graphic Design
 
Ah.
 
8:13 PM
He loves to handle comment flags :P
 
Okay, you know what? Me wantz write-access for main so I can manually handle flags from the cronjob.
That way Charcoal is actually usable. :P
 
Hmm
I think we should fix the cronjob
 
How, though?
 
--> Room
 
Me is there.
 
I see no sport spam there.
:)
 
Hmm, it appears to be gone. Wonder why. :P
 
Muwhahahaha, the power!!!
 
@Bart Again, drunk with power.
 
The word you're looking for is "still".
My family and friends set up an intervention, but I status-declined it.
 
8:40 PM
I wonder what you would be like with a diamond...
 
Care to find out?
 
Heh.
 
-1, is not animated.
 
 
THANK you.
 
8:50 PM
This question appears to be too broad: asker needs to be explained the relationship between PHP and javascript — Jan Dvorak 29 secs ago
 
There [needs to be|must be] a master dupe for questions like these.
 
ah, there is
 
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Q: Reference: Why does the PHP (or other server side) code in my Javascript not work?

deceze Note: This is a reference question. If you see one of the many questions fitting this pattern, please close them as duplicate of this. I have this code: <script type="text/javascript"> var foo = 'bar'; <?php file_put_contents('foo.txt', ' + foo + '); ?> var baz = <?...

 
beat me to it
somehow I thought I had a question that didn't quite apply stashed away, not one that did.
 
eh, I just search every time, sort by votes.
 
8:58 PM
I keep a list of a few in the bookmarks
that I intend to expand and eventually categorize
 
I should be writing my performance review. Instead, I am reading a case study of Canadian tax and jurisdiction evaders.
 
procrastination
 
...I know thee well.
 
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