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12:01 AM
Hey
how is everyone
 
well I just had a tough time with the terran challenge
with the ravens and those stealth dudes
 
I'm going to be honest with you
I've had a couple beers and I have no clue what you're talking about
 
hehe :P I was playing the SC2 challenges and during the advanced round you have make use of special abilities
 
ok
 
but my mouse was quite sluggish near the edges of the screen, quite annoying when trying to move over the map
but anyway, it's way past bed time, so I'm off
 
12:05 AM
Ah, I can see how that might be an issu
 
dreaming of my glorious day on SO :P
 
well, good night
also, if someone has time to write an eloquent answer to this: gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/7236/… the answer is yes
 
12:57 AM
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Q: How to holster your weapon in Fallout 3?

alexanderpasI just noticed (during a loading screen) that is possible to holster your weapon. I've checked the keys in the option, yet i was unable find anything related. So how do you holster your weapon.

 
Fallout 3 question = moar rep for me. :)
 
well, in that case, there's more where that came from!
 
1:33 AM
@LessPop_MoreFizz more rep?
 
@alexanderpas Done. :P
The Pip-boy light is similar to a low level light spell in Oblivion in terms of how much light it generates.
Beware, it makes you easier to detect when sneaking!
Where done everybody go'ed?
 
sleep?
it's 01:30 UTC
 
pfft. Sleep is for the weak.
week.
Weakened.
Weekend.
one of those.
 
ordering food over the internet at 03:30 is fun!
 
but it's only 9:30
 
1:39 AM
timezones.... timezones!!! I know that at least 4 of the regulars are duchies.
 
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Q: Where is the light on the Pip-Boy 3000A?

alexanderpasThe text during the loading screens talk about a light on the Pip-Boy, and tell you that having it turned on decreases your ability to sneak. Where is this light located, and how to turn it on/off. (Note that I couldn't find anything in the control settings)

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Q: Do gamepads always deteriorate from extended disuse and is there anything to be done about it?

Vilx-I've owned two USB gamepads for PC now. The first was some noname pad I got really cheap in a supermarket. The second was (and is) Logitech Rumblepad 2. In both cases I've had the same problem: When I first bought the gamepad I played with it and for a while all was well. Then I moved on to other...

 
1:53 AM
I love how candid J.E. Sawyer is in random forum posts about New Vegas
gog.com/en/page/i_love_paypal 25% off at GoG if you pay w/ paypal
 
why now?
 
because it's a promotion?
 
2:21 AM
OH SNAP PSYCHONAUTS!!!
2
 
Psychonauts for 7.50 is an amazing deal
 
Psychonauts for $10 is an amazing deal
$7.50 is almost blasphamy
 
for exactly that reason.
I <3 GOG.
Huh. Those two messages posted backwards.
 
haha
 
Gothic 2 for 7.50 is also a steal
 
2:28 AM
meh, I did pick up the incredible machine though
 
wut? I was logged out -> you need to login -> click login link -> hello, we see you are actve on another of our sites, you are now logged in.
 
nostalgic
@alexanderpas yeah they do some cool things with cookies
 
I mean... why did i need to click the login link, to open another page that logged me in and redirected me automatically back.
 
ok, psychonauts comes in 3 parts: 2Mb, 2GB and 750Mb
@alexanderpas probably because the javascript that informs you you're logged out can't access your cookie and supply it to the open id to see if you're you
you still need to visit google for that
google doesn't just trust SO that you're you
 
what are you talking about? google?
 
2:32 AM
what openid provider do you use?
 
my own website... depends on where i point it to.
Yayifications for OpenID redirection:D
 
ok, well the openid protocal still requires user agency, you can't just initiate from a js
 
and i'm not logged in in my provider, so it was not an regular OpenID login, it was cookie magic or something similar.
 
So this VVVVVV game.
Pretty nifty.
 
unless you were logged in to your provider on another SE/SO site
in which case SO can have you supply that cookie for your login
 
2:45 AM
got logged out again -> click login link -> enter OpenID -> OpenID auth -> you are logged in, are you sure you want to logout -> cancel -> redirected back to here
 
just had the same experience
sounds like he's messing with stuff
 
Caught ya red handed @Jeff ;)
Meat and French fries, perfect night food.
 
Random meat?
 
as long as they are small pieces like, shoarma, doner kebab, etc.
 
that is the strangest romanization of Shwarma I've ever seen.
 
2:55 AM
Shoarma (Arabisch: شاورما, Hebreeuws:שווארמה) is een gerecht uit de keuken van het Midden-Oosten. De naam is een vertaling van het Turkse çevirme, draaiend, met dezelfde betekenis als döner kebab, draaiend kebab. De naam duidt op het meestal verticaal opgestelde spit, waaraan lamsvlees, kip, kalkoen of rundvlees geroosterd wordt. Dit geroosterde vlees, dat voor het roosteren gemarineerd is, wordt dun afgeschraapt en gewikkeld in een pitabroodje gegeten. In Nederland wordt ook varkensvlees gebruikt. Kenmerken Shoarma bestaat uit reepjes gekruid lamsvlees, te vergelijken met Griekse gyros,...
Shawarma (), is a Middle Eastern sandwich-like wrap of shaved lamb, goat, chicken, turkey, beef, or a mixture thereof. The meat is placed on a spit, and may be grilled for as long as a day. Shawarma is a fast-food staple across the Middle East, Europe, the Caucasus, and North Africa. Shawarma is eaten with pita bread, Lavash bread, tabouli salad, fattoush salad, taboon bread, tomato and cucumber. Toppings include tahini, hummus, pickled turnips and amba. Shawarma is shared by many country variations. In Greece, it is called gyros, meaning "turned". In Armenian, it is "Tarna", literally...
> Netherlands: In the Netherlands, shawarma (shoarma) is a popular meal. Here it is served as spiced lamb, chicken, beef or rarely, pork combined with salad and garlic sauce. It is generally served inside a small circular pitã bread, which is cut open upon which the meat is placed inside.
 
Guess it's just national.
 
> It is usually served with French fries or potato wedges and can be bought from many places, including snackbars. Shoarma in the Netherlands is generally first spit roasted and after carving off s then grilled or fried, or a combination of both.
 
Most of my experience w/ Shwarma is israeli joints in queens
so good
 
> Suriname: In Suriname, shoarma is widespread.
(colonial residu.)
 
3:53 AM
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Q: How do you think DuckloadRa moves the camera like this? (see replay linked)

Shogunhttp://sc2rep.net/players/duckloadra?page=3 Watch one, it almost looks like he is moving it with the mouse on the map by clicking and dragging the way it kind of slides and 'bounces'? I'm not so sure though, what do you think? It's very precise and smooth and he has great control of the camera...

 
4:44 AM
 
 
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7:44 AM
@alexanderpas not every site has the luck of being linked to by SO :)
 
7:55 AM
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Q: How can we add moe players in WWE Raw Total Edition?

Rakesh JuyalI have downloaded the mod for wwe raw total edition. It was having lots of images of wwes superstars and arena. But i don't know how to use them. How can we add them in the game? Is there any tool by which we can use them?

 
8:14 AM
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A: Handling game recommendations - how can we solve these two problems of quality?

badpI have developed my new position on this topic on chat and it's high time I do it here. A game recommendation answer must link to a webpage that does the actual listing of games. Why? We don't keep lists up to date here because it is a bad idea. Every edit causes pollution in the homepage, stea...

 
8:56 AM
wow that question got me a golden badge on SO :D
 
@IvoFlipse Nice :)
 
Lee
Have any of you guys took a look at programming.se?
 
9:12 AM
sporadically, when I get a related tweet
 
Lee
It's hard to believe it's in the same family of sites in terms of moderation.
So many of the arguments used to shape our practices revolve around the notion that Q&A must have a definite answer, can't be subjective, musn't involve open-ended lists.
 
How to tell a question is probably bad:
→ MANY answers (more than one page is truly horrible)
→ MANY views
→ MANY answer votes
 
Lee
I think in trying to emulate the practices of SO we've gone way overboard. I mean we're stricter than they are.
 
I agree this community is incredibly strict, when you see how others fare.
Then again, I fail.
 
in most cases SU is this strict
but the amount of questions is too large to close everything ourselves
 
9:21 AM
well, you do have much more closers
 
btw @Lee, don't think SO isn't strict, since they have a whole army of 3k votes
 
Lee
I think it is potentially damaging. Consider what people think of the site when their good-faith efforts are rewarded with a closed question with no explantion.
 
heeej! my SO question has all that @badp!
 
Lee
I think it's inexcusable that people are voting to close without leaving comments.
 
1086
Q: What is the single most influential book every programmer should read?

NotMyselfIf you could go back in time and tell yourself to read a specific book at the beginning of your career as a developer, which book would it be? I expect this list to be varied and to cover a wide range of things. For me, the book would be Code Complete. After reading that book, I was able to get ...

 
9:22 AM
I disagree, we already have more page views/day than we have members
the highest amount of questions
 
@IvoFlipse You're a mod, you don't count!
 
I'm not a mod on SO
 
Lee
Ivo, check out how many views programming.se has.
They'll overtake us with a fraction of the members.
 
that's not far, because that was made to be an SO playground
 
To be fair, programming.se questions have been twitted daily from Jeff and Joel :)
I'm not claiming unfair treatment here -- they just are interested in that site more than they are in Gaming. That's fair. We need our own stars. Where's Fatality when you need him? :P
 
9:24 AM
I think that if we stick to our mantra: provide quality answers to make people better at gaming, we will win eventually
 
Lee
Provided they ask in exactly the right way.
 
<link to Joel's post on Inc. going against the notion of "winning eventually"/>
 
I think the overall quality of the questions is pretty decent, so I'm not complaining too much
 
Lee
Most of the people that are closing questions can edit them too. Editing them to fit the site's policies is more constructive - or if their intentions aren't clear, comment.
 
@Badp wikipedia isn't edited by the masses that visit them
if we have a core group that gives the answers people are looking for, that's the most important thing
true @Lee, but not all questions should be saved
you can put make up on a pig, but it still won't be a dog
so if it's off-topic, you can't really fix that
and again for all the questions that are subjective, you could think of dozens of questions that are not
 
 
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11:12 AM
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A: Can I refer someone without committing?

Ivo FlipseI guess it's deliberate. The point is to create a community, if you're not part of it then you can't help building it. How would you benefit from him/her committing to the site if you don't do it yourself? Just send them the link and they can commit for themselves.

 
what's with it?
 
I was replying to it here, but I'm instead replying in the question itself.
(Obviously you can expect disagreement :P)
 
11:25 AM
At any rate I find it interesting that Area51, after like five months, still has no 10k mod.
For any other SE, that'd be quite troubling.
 
11:43 AM
area51 doesn't really need mods
the whole SO team keeps an eye out of that one
morning misses :)
 
11:58 AM
For all the degree to which I don't think we should field game recommendation questions, really the most harmful thing on the site is not the game recs themselves but this stupid war that is still raging about them
 
good point, though I have no idea how to stop them
since none of both sides want to give in
 
Stupid war? Did I miss something?
 
I'll give in if I get an insurance of quality
 
@badp The whole close/open and series of meta questions that have resulted
 
and now Im off to Ikea, so bye bye
 
12:03 PM
Have fun @Ivo
 
Because once you get past the all the stupid conflict that is being caused by it? We're really not all that much stricter than some of the other SE sites. Our current CW policy doesn't even recommend making questions CW!
Later, @Ivo
 
@Grace, I think I've striken some form of balance on the topic with my answer, although I'm sure you won't like it
 
I actually somewhat like your answer
Technically, my preference is to be rid of them entirely, but quite frankly if we can still point them to a site then it's a double-win scenario.
We help the question author, and we keep our site cleaner.
 
I know all the fuzz about how we should contain instead of linking, but we really can't contain so long as edits bump up the question.
(And we must have edits bumping up the question.)
 
We seriously cannot contain game recs reasonably once you consider the scale issue
(Which I avoided mentioning in my huge meta post, because if we can't even fix those two issues then we can't even hope to overcome the scale issue)
 
12:06 PM
To be honest I still think that if you really get specific you can bring it down to few or no games.
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Q: Looking for a multiplayer game with large teams and low lag sensitivity

badpOur squad has been looking for a second game to play together. We're looking for a game that: does have a multiplayer portion does allow large teams vs large teams (our roster has some 22 active players) does not make people with high ping completely useless (we come from all over the world) p...

 
The scale issue is simple: any game-rec, with a reasonable amount of effort, can be converted into a completely objective question
 
No answer has been given to that one that matches all requirements :D
 
In our goal to be an authoritative Q&A site, we have an obligation to serve people who come here. So if our questions don't cover what is requested by a new inquiry, then we get a new inquiry
 
@GraceNote Yeah, but as game-rec's increase, the amount of work required to keep them all up to date becomes really excessive
At the end of the day, this site isn't about a collection of facts
 
Due to the non-finite and non-static nature of Repositories, we have far more permutations of them. And importantly, they get updated more often than Questions do
 
12:08 PM
If people want a collection of facts they can use Wikipedia or similia.
Then we can link to those collections.
 
As time passes, we get new Questions and new Repositories, but also every old Repository gets updated. This exponentially worsens.
 
Alternatively we can discuss it in a chatty way, but that room hardly sees any activity
Ironically enough, the link in Gaming's top bar completely killed activity there.
 
@badp I think that if people want really specific recommendations, chat can be far more useful
 
@GraceNote Indeed, yet that channel is dead.
 
But Oak disagrees. I don't know, I guess people view it differently
 
12:10 PM
That's why I see more value in one crowded room instead of 200 rooms with absymal activity.
That's why I'd rather have one chatting hub for the whole StackExchange shebang.
That's why I'm not in charge, obviously :D
 
Heh
Well, I think part of it is so that it is easier to link your accounts appropriately
 
SE already heavily encourages you to link accounts anyway.
 
When we get our own chat room, people won't have to go to Meta Stack Overflow and/or need a whopping 200 rep on Gaming to talk
 
Your chat rep is the sum of all sites' rep.
Even this way I don't reach 10k :D
 
But which profile should it use?
 
12:12 PM
The one you log in with...
 
I am logged into 4 sites right now
 
Are they linked? :)
 
Quite
And they have 4 separate profiles
 
Then they really are the same account...
Consider chat also has a separate profile.
 
But different profiles. I use a different gravatar on SO. And when Gaming gets its Third Place, I'm going to swap Okuu for Clarino
 
12:13 PM
The chat about blurb isn't inherited from the parent site.
 
No, but your gravatar and display name are.
As is, currently, your reputation, but your proposition is to link all reps so we can discount that part.
 
Gravatars and name are something I didn't think about. MSO has by far the best names, however, so I'd stick with that :P
 
Haha
I do like my MSO name more than my SO name, but I don't like changing names because it breaks consistency and makes people confused
 
(Just pick the site you have top reputation in, in a way it's more representative of you.)
 
That, and someone already thinks I am both Welbog and voyager.
 
12:15 PM
You are welbog?!
 
...whoops
 
Just kidding :D
 
Heh
Oh, hey, you posted a message before Chat told me you even entered the room. Scary~
 
Yeah, the join animation is kind of delayed.
 
I had to change my MSO name, anyway. The first one was more trouble than it was worth
Hah
>I guess then we should do the same thing we do for answers that really are comments :) – badp 15 mins ago
Nice
I think it will be more difficult to block answers than it will be to block questions, but I'm not going to expect us to come to a hard decision in only one day.
 
12:20 PM
Especially when answers moderation isn't crowdsourced.
(Again, that's for a good reason mostly.)
 
12:33 PM
Indeed
But also, the reasons an answer doesn't belong on the site are far fewer in number, and far more serious, than with questions
Being blatantly off-topic to the question, being offensive/spam, being illegal, and finally not being an answer. Those are the primary reasons to obliterate an answer.
 
Speaking of
what do we flag an answer as if it's not an answer?
I always used spam for those instances where people asked questions as an answer
but that doesn't really sound right
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Q: How can we add moe players in WWE Raw Total Edition?

Rakesh JuyalI have downloaded the mod for wwe raw total edition. It was having lots of images of wwes superstars and arena. But i don't know how to use them. How can we add them in the game? Is there any tool by which we can use them?

Add moe players in Wrestling...
 
12:51 PM
Step 1) Find Larry and Curly. Moe is sure to follow.
 
I think he's playing the wrong sort of game.
 
I prefer stooges.
 
I prefer the brothers Marx
 
1:12 PM
wee, the level 10 limit for NFS:W has been lifted.
 
1:52 PM
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Q: How do I get rested XP?

antony.trupeHow do I get rested xp? Do I need to have a subscription?

 
2:10 PM
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Q: Why can't I spend my destiny points?

antony.trupeI've got a couple thousand destiny points, but the Use Destiny button is grayed out; why?

 
len("lord-of-the-rings-online")
24!
it fits.
plz to vote
 
2:56 PM
thanks, you silent people
 
3:17 PM
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Q: Where can I download a shared userdata folder which has unlock all feaures?

Nam Gi VUI now just enjoy playing the Endless Survival with the GotY edition. I can't file a shared userdata which has all plants/mini-games unlocked, all shop's plants bought? Please share if you have one.

 
3:29 PM
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Q: What are the differences between Normal edition and the GotY (Game of the Year) edition?

Nam Gi VUAll that I can find is the Zomvatar (zombie avatar) maker. Do you know other differences? Please share.

 
 
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4:59 PM
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Q: How to connect to new Pokewalker?

UllallullooMy brother lost his Pokewalker and got a new one individually to replace it. I looked up about replacements here on Bulbapedia and tried the Up+Select+R thing. It gave the Pokemon back, but if you try to connect to the new one, it says it isn't registered. What do I do now?

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Q: Are there Wii-games which require a classic controler but won't work with a gamecube controller or wiimote+nunchuck?

Tobias KienzlerAnd if yes, which? Are there any controllers that have both a wiimote and a gamecube plug so I don't have to buy two similar controllers?

 
 
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6:24 PM
Bulbapedia... shiver
 
I am so bad at Plain Sight
I basically just have no clue what I'm doing so I run around spamming left click and usually I die, and sometimes, someone else dies.
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz try the tutorials again ;)
 
@alexanderpas Yeah, I played those
I understand the basic mechanic.
THe physics are just so disorienting that I'm completely aimless.
and so I just kinda spam charge.
 
Gravity, baby
 
@badp Gravity in Plain Sight is... an afterthought at best.
I wonder if people are going to try to close this as Game-rec (because it's phrased awfully similarly to game-rec, even though it clearly isn't.):
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Q: Are there Wii-games which require a classic controller but won't work with a gamecube controller or wiimote+nunchuck?

Tobias KienzlerAnd if yes, which? Are there any controllers that have both a wiimote and a gamecube plug so I don't have to buy two similar controllers?

 
6:47 PM
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A: Are there Wii-games which require a classic controller but won't work with a gamecube controller or wiimote+nunchuck?

alexanderpasNo, there are no games that require a classic controller but do not work with either a gamecube controller or the wiimote & nunchuck combination. There are games however that only support two out of the three combinations, most notably, Monster Hunter Tri, which only supports the classic con...

 
No close votes on it
 
Don't see why it deserves any.
 
I don't, either
 
Later
 
the question was if someone would mis-interpret it as game-rec, but no-one did.
 
7:34 PM
I've played the recettear demo too much... now already on 16805pix - ML4 - score:2310 - Day: 7 - Exceeded expectations EVERY SINGLE DAY!
not to mention i'm now ready to go duneoneering again, on day 7!
with a level 7 louis! (he was that after I left the halls of trial!)
 
8:09 PM
Haha, nice @alexanderpas
 
start of day 8 (payday): 195pix and a shop chucked full of 1.5K+ items... easy!
 
8:25 PM
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Q: Is Battle of the Immortals safe to download and install?

ChrisFMy youngest wants to download and install Battle of the Immortals from Perfect World. I was suspicious straight away as it was installing games like this that caused problems on the kid's computer earlier this year - strange browser toolbars and the like. We've since reinstalled Windows and I'd ...

 
very easy... still have 8K over after payment, and had a couple of lost sales because they didn't want to pay my 130%-125% prices.
 
The old guy never wants to pay anything over 130%
 
the old guy isn't as bad as the little girl
to hell with the little girl
 
haha
Yay merchant level 3 \o/
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz I agree, the little girl equals a lost sale, but that doesn't matter because i have other customers ;)
 
8:33 PM
@alexanderpas Oh you can sell to her. She's just picky as all hell and will bust your balls for ridiculously low prices. But if you value the xp more than the money, she's still worth selling to. Which is when I get bitter.
The trick to doing well is to learn to price discriminate and charge the people who will pay it through the nose while ensuring the cheapskates don't buy anything you want to sell to a better customer (but still getting them to buy something!)
 
your thoughts on
 
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Q: Can this site be reduced to "read the game FAQ"?

Jeff AtwoodI recently asked for some feedback on gaming.stackexchange and got this: Who are these people who can't find the existing hand-edited, 1000x better FAQs for popular games they're playing? The Nethack spoilers contain literally everything about that game. The only ones I see that have an expla...

 
Interesting
 
Starcraft questions are probably the best example at the moment of where that breaks down, but I think that has as much to do with just how complex starcrafts metagame is, and I don't know how many other games can sustain a level of discussion that cannot be replaced by gamefaqs.
 
I have to admit that is one of the difficulties I had in seeing potential for GSE.
 
8:38 PM
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Q: Are there Wii-games which require a classic controller but won't work with a gamecube controller or wiimote+nunchuck?

Tobias KienzlerAnd if yes, which? Are there any controllers that have both a wiimote and a gamecube plug so I don't have to buy two similar controllers?

 
Dwarf Fortress is probably another, because of just how wildly complicated and frequently updated it is.
 
I actually have an answer for this (not a complete one, but an answer), but I want to see what you guys think before I post it
 
I think it isn't a real problem, to be honest
Sure, there are better places to find certain amounts of information. But there's an increase of visibility that we provide by existing
 
I'll be back in a few hours and I'll post my answer as well
 
It's also got the potential for a huge advantage when it comes to new releases. But I should probably be working on a full post
 
8:41 PM
I think it's a valid criticism, but when hasn't there been duplicate information on the internet? I don't think that that specific criticism negates the value of the site, it merely alters it.
 
I think as early as week 2 we were called no different than GameFAQs
Which is interesting, because I found GameFAQs to be a perfect counterpart to our operations (not as a villain, but as a separate approach)
If I want an in-depth FAQ, I can pop into GameFAQs and probably find what I need
But if I only want one piece of information, then it may involve hunting down a small passage in 3-12 different files
Comparatively, someone might just ask the question here and have a chance for a direct answer.
 
@GraceNote Except that for a while now GameFAQ's has had a Q&A section for each game, which sees varying levels of use.
So they incorporate our approach, to an extent, as well.
GameFAQ's Q&A has all kinds of other issues, number one being that, much like the rest of gameFAQ's it's an often unreadable mess with substandard levels of written english being the norm, but it does exist.
 
Which is why I focus mostly on the files on the site
 
@GraceNote And even there, IMO, you are still engaging in something of a crapshoot w/r/t the readability of any given document. Which, among other reasons, is why I think there's a role to play for Gaming.se
 
posts an answer and hopes it's coherent
 
8:49 PM
@Fallen I thought it was insightful. I wish I didn't have half of it in my post already
 
@GraceNote The assumption you will say 90% of what I intend to is why I haven't started writing up a post. I figure I'll just comment in any addendum I feel the need to hilight. :P
 
I'm not going to finish that section, then, and just link your answer.
Anything past that will just be repeating you, after all.
...ack, I forgot my 4th point
 
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