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1:32 AM
Psst. @Pops. Around?
Me haz question about sock puppets.
 
@Undo Me has done cool things on Charcoal.
 
@hichris123 Saw. Very cool.
Me like it.
 
@Undo TM said we should restrict large-scale deletions like that to only ones that are obsolete without context. I don't know how it will work then, but question for another day.
 
Yep
 
Oh, I actually have gotten like 150 rep in the past few days. I didn't flag all of them. :P
 
1:37 AM
Hehe
For whoever sees it: If I make myself a sock puppet and manage to get it up to 2k/3k/whatever, can I review with it and flag with it an stuff?
 
As long as it isn't voting on @Undo, I think so.
If I may ask, why?
 
@hichris123 Meh, I'm just toying with the idea of trying to raise another mSO account up to 10k, just as something to do.
 
@Undo You're really that bored? Man, build the post Charcoal already. :P
 
Hehe
Next step is to add posts to it.
shudders
 
Or chronjob.
 
1:47 AM
Oh, yeah
 
Programming never ends, does it?
 
Nope :D
 
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Q: "Access to moderator tools" page in Help Center still mentions close flags

hichris123According to this comment by Shog, flags to close a question are no longer shown in the 10K tools. However, according to the Moderator Tools Privilege description, they are. This is what it looks like: Can someone please remove the vote to close flag portions of this privilege description?

 
And mSO people can't edit the privs pages any more ;(
 
Yep.
What is this mod menu stuff? Are you giving away more diamonds? :(
 
1:50 AM
@hichris123 Nah, just moving the new flag thing to a different home.
It looked weird under cm
We get diamond exclusivity for a while :D
 
@Undo It did kinda. Want me to pull the changes?
 
I just did
 
Me sees now.
 
Next step: actually let network mods see the page :P
Yep, works.
Yay!
 
@Undo Undo ♢
 
1:54 AM
We should build a user page just because.
@hichris123 Yeah, so I can test stuff.
 
@Undo What do you mean?
 
Ya know, a page with basic info on it.
So that those user links can actually go somewhere.
 
Ah, I get your point.
Yeah, that would be good.
 
I feel weird having usernames in blue without them going anywhere :P
 
Animuson: person who never uses Charcoal and disregards the flag queue. Is a bad mod
 
2:07 AM
I appear to be having trouble with Area 51's resources.
 
Ouch
The little aliens don't like you
 
I think what they actually don't like is HTTPS, and I'm just collateral damage.
 
Works On My Machine (c)
Wait
https Does Not Work On My Machine ©
 
2:28 AM
Okay, now I can't even log in to HTTPS Stack Apps. This sucks.
 
@michaelb958 I think they hate HTTPS.
 
Bad HTTPS
 
No, wait, it works if I turn off the appropriate HTTPS Everywhere rule.
@hichris123 They hate HTTPS Everywhere (the addon).
 
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Q: Can't login with Stack Exchange OpenID when HTTPS-Everywhere plugin is active - apparent protocol mismatch

Michael KjörlingI can't seem to log in with my Stack Exchange OpenID. When I try, I get the error message: Unable to log in with your OpenID provider: The openid.return_to parameter (http://unix.stackexchange.com/users/authenticate/?s=......) does not match the actual URL (https://unix.stackexchange.com...

 
@TimStone Exactly the issue - thanks.
 
3:00 AM
someone willing to help to close this thread? stackoverflow.com/questions/20233285/…
 
it's not a thread
this isn't a forum
I am pedantic personified
 
@LaszloPapp Flagged for you.
@Flyk Do you really care about terminology that much?
 
thread does not only exist on forums....
 
1 min ago, by Flyk
I am pedantic personified
 
@hichris123: apparently he does; not sure why. :)
 
3:02 AM
Stack. Exchange. Is. Not. A. Forum.
 
I'm actually not all that bothered
 
Perhaps the whole "forum" remark I made earlier factors into this. SO is not a forum but a Q&A. It has a strict question and answer structure and you should never use the answers for what is essentially a question. — Bart Aug 9 '12 at 23:11
 
Everyone knows SO is not a forum, but QA site. This is pointless to state the obvious.
 
not everyone
there are many many many many many people who don't
 
Either way, after the hijack.... someone's help would be appreciated. This OP seems to get stuck with off-topic questions.
 
3:04 AM
I only have 161 rep on SO
so do not have a close link
 
@LaszloPapp I would if I could.
1.6K
 
ThiefMaster helped.
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Q: C++ GUI development in QT, or Visual Studio C++, or Other?

MichaelI am competent in Java, and have used Eclipse exclusively for developing GUI-based programs. With Java, regardless of whether I have the WYSIWYG GUI builder or not, I am able to code a GUI from the ground up using the provided Java libraries and sticking strictly to code (with no drag-and-drop i...

here, he has yet another "recommended opinionated" question.
 
I am not convinced they're the same users
 
I wish I could vote-to-close.
 
@Flyk: eh?
@hichris123: I wish I could binding delete.... :D
 
3:10 AM
@LaszloPapp My argument is better. 16K (or something) vs. only mods. :P
I just want to get to 2K by like the end of next week.
 
voted for closure, thanks.
 
Welcome.
I personally feel like I do nothing to help close questions like that than throw them in the queue (by flagging).
That's why I want to be able to vote-to-close questions.
 
I have that, but still: sometimes I do not see enough people voting for bad questions.
 
True, but the problem is also people don't get to bad questions unless they see it on the homepage or randomly see it in the queue.
And with there being 101K questions in the queue, random turns into not many get to it.
 
that depends on the tag. My "qt" filter close vote queue is almost always empty.
but yes, more popular like c++ goes haywire in that regard.
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Q: Why different variants of software for different OS?

MichaelWhy are there different variants of software for different operating systems? For instance, one version of Microsoft Word for Windows, and another for Mac OS. OR, one version of software for Windows XP, and a different version of the same software for Vista. Assume that for either case the sof...

another off-topic from the same user.
 
3:56 AM
Is this question on-topic?
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Q: Instagram "You Cannot Like this Media"

Ninja Pig StudiosI am aware that the Instagram API was down a few hours ago, but it seems to be back up now. The problem is, when we post data to Instagram saying to like a specific photo, we get this error: {"meta":{"error_type":"APINotAllowedError","code":400,"error_message":"you cannot like this media"}} ...

 
4:50 AM
Seems on topic to me, @hichris.
Although at first glance I could see why it looks off topic.
It's asking why they are getting a specific error message when they make a specific API call.
 
Wow, now that I'm finally 10k on SO I went and looked at my favorites list, and can't believe the popular questions that have been deleted.
Those deletionists really want this to be a cold site.
I put the bigger/better ones in the SO delete archive list.
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Q: Popular Deleted SO/SU/Programmers Questions list

systempuntooutStack Overflow What was your first home computer? What's your favorite "programmer" cartoon? Programmers' last word How can you tell if a person is a Programmer Worst UI You've Ever Used How do you clear your mind after a day of programming How do you deal with a program that's bec...

It's really sad when a moderator participates in the deletion, because I can't even cast an undelete vote.
 
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Q: Deletion votes from users who later became moderators shouldn't prevent community undeletion

Some Helpful CommenterIf you vote to undelete a post that was deleted by a moderator you will get the message A moderator has deleted this post and it cannot be undeleted Interestingly this extends to posts that were deleted prior to the moderator becoming a moderator. For example here's a question that is in th...

 
@TimStone, thanks, forgot about that one. I guess I'll wait them out, and in a decade when they retire I can cast my undelete vote.
 
Seeing someone generalize a group of users as "deletionists" just gives me nightmares about the giant deletion whine-fest that happened on Meta when rep recalcs became automatic and continuous.
shudders
 
5:20 AM
Is there a reason why a user with 22 rep cannot write within a chat room ?
 
@Milkywayspatterns spam
chat is harder to moderate
 
teh chat : chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/44540/aaaaaaaah the user, katethegreat
greetings mani
 
Also, chat is supposed to be for community members
@Milkywayspatterns I can set up a chatroom with write access for her on chat.SE
 
in that room created the user katethegreat is connected but not able to write.
 
But what do you need the chatroom for?
 
5:21 AM
can you join chat.stackoverflow.com/rooms/44540/aaaaaaaah and explain it from there please?
chat needed to avoid multiple comments communication , see OP stackoverflow.com/questions/20930033/…
 
5:33 AM
thanks for helping
 
5:52 AM
@Undo Sorry, I went out. Back now if you still have questions, although I'm half-asleep so if they're not softballs you might just want to wait for tomorrow.
 
6:38 AM
For reasons know only to him, Random has closed this question, please help reopen it:
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Q: Popular Deleted SO/SU/Programmers Questions list

systempuntooutStack Overflow What was your first home computer? What's your favorite "programmer" cartoon? Programmers' last word How can you tell if a person is a Programmer Worst UI You've Ever Used How do you clear your mind after a day of programming How do you deal with a program that's bec...

 
7:03 AM
Wonder if they'll ever fix this situation. There is just something wrong with the workflow that it keeps generating this continuous stream of questions. I would hazard a guess that it's the most asked question on Meta.
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Q: When will I get the privilege to ask a question?

HajiI was banned for asking questions in Stack Overflow when I was at 70 points. I searched for questions related to being banned. They state that Stack Overflow will prevent you from asking questions if you continuously post questions that are not readable and you will also get more downvotes for th...

 
Well, Meta.SE shouldn't receive quite so many due to being less explicitly associated with SO, and the new MSO might be immune to some due to the 5 rep requirement. (This is my opinion; it's probably wrong.)
 
It'll be interesting to see how that works out.
 
Hmmm, would SO question/answer bans simultaneously apply to the new MSO...?
 
@Lance Did the page time out for you too? I lost connection to SE for about 30 seconds.
 
Yeh, thought SO/Meta was going down.
 
7:08 AM
SU's in read-only; likely there's been a hiccup.
 
I checked my connection but it is/was working fine.
 
I'm not sure if this warrants a question, so I'm going to ask here..

I've been in a long q&a discussion with an OP who doesn't have enough rep to participate in chat. I want to keep the discussion on SO though.. so, should I vote up their good questions/answers just so the discussion can be kept on site, or just keep it in comments to be cleaned up later?
 
I wonder if that's why I got this:
I was thinking there was an answer rate-limit I didn't know about.
 
Ohai, Arqade and Ask Ubuntu are in read-only mode right now
 
@YiJiang confirms that Something Went Wrong™ at SE headquarters.
 
7:20 AM
Don't think there's scheduled maintenance on the database, hmmmm
Arqade's kicked in at least an hour ago I think, AU's around 20 minutes ago
Oh, SU's in read-only mode too
 
Interestingly, SO, A51, TeX, Physics, and U&L appear fine.
 
Weird. Yeah, not all the sites on the same server are down
 
7:43 AM
I just told this to my friend asking me a question:
> Ctrl+C > Google.com > Ctrl+V
 
8:23 AM
I do not follow this:
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Toggle Slide and Hide
answered 1 hour ago by Supreme
not an answer – Laszlo Papp 1 hour ago helpful
the flag was accepted, yet the answer is still there as it was before?
 
@LaszloPapp They deleted their own answer and then undeleted it, which cleared the flags automatically.
 
@animuson: nice trick around the system... Thanks for deleting.
 
@LaszloPapp I agree, think that feature request asking not to clear flags if post is deleted by its author will make sense. Was sure it was asked before but couldn't find it now.
 
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Q: Don't automatically dismiss spam / offensive flags when a post is deleted by the owner

Brad LarsonWe just had an incident with a user trolling the site using what appears to be multiple accounts. A few hours ago, they did something similar, but moderators were never made aware of it. They insulted multiple users in an answer that racked up an impressive 11 "not an answer" flags, one offensiv...

But that's specific to spam/offensive flags
The problem with not auto-dismissing NAA flags is that if it's still deleted when a moderator looks at it, there's nothing else for us to do.
So we'd just dismiss them all as helpful anyways and the author could potentially undelete it at will in the future and you have the same problem.
 
8:39 AM
@animuson true, didn't think of that. And disabling the delete option while answer got pending flags also sounds too extreme... or is it?
 
I don't know how SE would feel about giving a user an actual indication that their post has flags on it.
 
8:53 AM
@LanceRoberts Meta used to have flexible rules, maybe it's starting to change? Wonder if it's a personal decision of the mod or result of directions from the team.
 
@animuson: an automated script could flag it automatically when undeleted, and was flagged before the deletion. Then the reviewers could assess it whether it needs to be deleted or this time, it is good.
 
9:11 AM
Ah, when you look up at the television and think, "What the hell am I watching?"
 
9:22 AM
@animuson Generally, my television watches me once I fall asleep.
 
What is television?
pre-historical youtube? :D
 
@LaszloPapp it's a tool the government is using to control our minds, don't you know that?! ;)
 
What is government? Ah, that crappy democrazy stuff? :D
 
@LaszloPapp It's the one thing everyone loves to hate but can't really live without it
 
you would be surprised how much I did not turn a TV on the last ... 10-12 years.
(before that mostly only for Play Station, and Sega game consoles, and Nintendo)
 
9:32 AM
@LaszloPapp well, consider yourself a very free, and lucky, person then! :p
 
so why has it never been fixed that we still get the notification for suggested edits even though I exceeded my daily limit? At the point, it is a needless noise IMO.
is this inline tagedit feature really cool?
 
9:54 AM
Pretty pretty please change my sockpuppet's display name to "Otto the Autopilot" @TimPost? - I can't til February 3rd since it's a new account
a good chat bot needs a good name, after all :p
(it's a reference to Airplane!)
 
sign up with google s broken
leading to that link.
 
@LaszloPapp that's odd.. could you make a question on MSO?
 
no, I dislike MSO. Every question like that gets downvoted and criticized.
 
ok I'll make one
you can sign in with your Stack Exchange account though ;)
 
can you reproduce the issue?
Perhaps I can give it another chance, but I am sure it will be downvoted heavily, as usual
 
9:59 AM
I saw the 404
I haven't tried clicking signup with Google.. will try
alas, I can't... it logs me into my normal SE account
they must be linked
 
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Q: Error 404: Aviation meta sign up

Laszlo PappI was clicking on signing up with Google and got this url which leads to a 404 error: http://meta.aviation.stackexchange.com/users/authenticate?returnurl=%2Fquestions%2F143%2Fwe-need-to-ask-more-questions

 
@LaszloPapp I think you can't login directly to a meta site, login to its parent site first.
I remember seeing this reported and that was the solution
I call these "by design bugs".
 
@LaszloPapp Thanks
@ShadowWizard hardly a by-design bug really, either present the option or don't
 
Shadow: mayhaps, sign up from the main site works...
 
looking for the report...
 
10:06 AM
unrelated: is it possible to flag a user who has never posted?
 
Well...
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Q: 404 when trying to login on per-meta sites

BraiamHow to reproduce: Wander aimlessly onto some meta site (either, logged into some other site or not logged at all) Try to upvote/downvote/do something that requires you to be logged in (this will trigger the login or create an account) Click any login option ... .... What happens? You get a ...

 
Mat
@DannyBeckett: note really. Flag one of your own posts and explain.
 
Not by design then but also not much attention
 
@DannyBeckett Nope. The suggested workaround is to flag one of your posts and clearly explain that you're not the problem, the problem's over there.
 
ah ok great thanks @Mat @michaelb958
 
10:15 AM
is algorithm development off-topic on SO?
shall we close those to refer to math SE or somewhere else?
I personally do think they are since algorithm development is different to programming. :)
 
@DannyBeckett done
 
@DannyBeckett what about its Stack Overflow side? ;)
 
 
1 hour later…
11:41 AM
hi, can I prevent before the 10 revision of my answer to become a community wiki for submit?
The OP keeps changing the circumstances as usual ....
 
@LaszloPapp you can't prevent the auto wikification but you can flag once it's a CW and ask to remove the CW status, explaining why. Usually mod will do that just fine then further edits will not make it CW again.
 
I know I can do that. It happened once to me. OK, it is unfortunate I cannot prevent it, thanks.
/me has got a serial upvoter again.....
interesting got the 10th revision, but it did not become CW. Does it go CW for the 11th?
 
12:04 PM
@LaszloPapp Something like that. As far as I can tell, the creation of a post (displayed as revision number 1) isn't counted in the "10 revisions by the same author" CW criterion.
 
ok.
 
It's 10 edits to the body of the post (rollbacks and title and tag edits don't count)
 
answers do not have title, nor tags, fwiw.
 
questions do
 
we were discussing an answer. :D
 
12:16 PM
@LaszloPapp to sum this up, your next edit will wikify it
 
sure, already got it. :D
 
12:55 PM
Why does all the really weird stuff happen when I'm the only one here?
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Can I ask why a flag on stackoverflow.com/a/20921476/578411 was disputed? It already had a not an answer and I flagged it as low quality because there was no way you could shape that answer into a recommendation for swiftmailer or phpmailer....
I just voted to close that question as well...
 
@TimPost obviously someone is doing it on purpose... ;-)
 
@TimPost The weird stuff always happens when you're alone.
 
1:11 PM
I just managed to misread "Discover Gists" as "Discover Girls". *sigh*
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@michaelb958 wishful thinking, perhaps?
 
@ShadowWizard Seems possible.
 
1:51 PM
@LanceRoberts You're more than welcome to convert that into a proper Q&A format as was mentioned in the comment posted before closing. As it stands now, what is the point of the accepted answer?
 
2:08 PM
"him" is also uncalled for
 
2:39 PM
Darn
I never managed to get the Eureka! hat
:(
 
@RyanCarlson I guessed how one can get the most secret hat but didn't put enough effort to prove it :(
 
@ShadowWizard Oh, wow
I never even knew that hat existed
until a few minutes ago
I think this:
Dec 24 '13 at 18:18, by RyanCarlson
@Undo you didn't happen to earn Eureka! by figuring out how to earn it? As in the requirement for getting the hat is figuring out how to get the hat.
Should qualify for getting Eureka
 
Seeing "words that stir and move and sing" led me to think of advertising, just failed to realize it's only for community promotion ads. :(
 
@ShadowWizard Ah. I had no clue what that statement meant :P
The requirement for getting Eureka! says:
awarded manually by SE staff to users who correctly determined (or guessed) the trigger for any of the secret hats.
 
@ShadowWizard Actally, what's a 'community promotion ad'? The wrap-up says that you got the Don Draper hat if your community ad had received 6 upvotes. So you should post an ad for a site, on the site itself?
 
2:48 PM
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Q: Open Source Advertising - Sidebar - 1H 2014

Grace NoteDecember 2013 has come to us now, which means a new edition of our Free Vote-Based Advertising for Open Source Projects. We are clearing the leaderboards to start the beginning of 2014. Here is your chance to create a Free Vote-Based Advertisement for an Open Source Project. Create a graphical a...

 
@RyanCarlson Thanks!
 
@RyanCarlson actually not sure that's the one, user who posted ad with 50+ votes did not get the hat (that's why I ditched the idea)
I think it applied to the per site promotion ads e.g.
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Q: Community Promotion Ads - 2014

Grace NoteWe're here for yet another year! And with that comes yet another edition of our Community Promotion Ads! What are Community Promotion Ads? Community Promotion Ads are community-vetted advertisements that will show up on the main site, in the right sidebar. The purpose of this question is the ve...

 
Don Draper, in homage to everyone’s favorite smooth-talking ad man, went to users who posted a community ad that received enough upvotes to be displayed on the site (usually 6).
 
So no Don Draper for Stack Overflow
 
3:14 PM
I just looked through the Network-wide hat leaderboard‌​, and saw that there was no one above me who was a member of SE for a shorter amount of time than my two months.
The closest were ProgramFOX, 3 months; godel9, 3 months; rolfl, 3 months; and JoshC, 5 months.
 
I registered a long time ago but really started attending about half a year ago
 
@3ventic Why? What made you start?
 
I don't remember
 
 
1 hour later…
4:27 PM
What was the url where SO shows me my "favorite"tags for the interesting question list?
 
4:38 PM
front page?
 
@RyanCarlson I was close to you! Only -2 hats for me. And I'm at 6 months.
 
5:13 PM
@hichris123 You had negative two hats?!?!? How?
jk
 
@RyanCarlson I'm special.
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@ShadowWizard, yeh, it's also sad on Meta when discussion questions get closed as "primarily opinion-based". That would be the point I think.
 
6:20 PM
(Does anybody even listen to these?)
 
sometimes
 
7:19 PM
@LanceRoberts yup, my own question is a victim as well. :(
 
@ShadowWizard, yeh, I know, I cast the first reopen vote on it.
 
7:42 PM
Wow, how could someone press a reject for this edit? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/3733452 What is the problem with it? What does it mean invalid edit in this context?
 
@LaszloPapp fixed...
 
@rene: yes, saw it, thanks, but still wonder.
@rene: I even checked out your hiking photos. ;-)
 
LOL
 
 
2 hours later…
9:20 PM
Gah
*spends 35 minute making this answer:
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A: Concatenation of a String with characters

Ryan CarlsonThe method public char charAt(int index) returns a char, so the line str1 += str.charAt(i) + str.charAt(i); performs the + operator on two chars. According to the Java Specs: 15.18. Additive Operators The operators + and - are called the additive operators. AdditiveExpression: M...

 
@LaszloPapp How do you comment or reply to a tag wiki? :P
 
*gets one upvote
 
Are users who make one spammy post (and it's their first) automatically destroyed?
 
@hichris123 Easy, just decompile the source code, then you can hack in a tag wiki commenting feature!
 
9:24 PM
Meh, too much work.
 
9:40 PM
Yoooooooooooo
 
Oyyyyyyyyyyyyy
 
What's good
 
Hats
 
I see no hat on you.
 
Hats are good.
Balpha is bad.
Balpha took away our hats.
Bad balpha.
 
9:44 PM
I still have a hat.
 
You hat cheater.
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Q: R: counting column data in a matrix with resets

davez0rI'm gathering data on how much my cats poop into a matrix: m <- cbind(fluffy=c(1.1,1.2,1.3,1.4),misterCuddles=c(0.9,NA,1.1,1.0)) row.names(m) <- c("2013-01-01", "2013-01-02", "2013-01-03","2013-01-04") Which gives me this: fluffy misterCuddles 2013-01-01 1.1 0.9 2013-0...

^ rofl
 
My close reason given:
This question appears to be off-topic because it is just trolling.
 
@LanceRoberts Not seeing it.
If anything, it's too broad.
Replace 'poop' with 'purr', is the question valid?
 
Why does it matter if the data is about his cat pooping?
It's funny, but it doesn't invalidate the question.
Hmmm, given that fluffy pooped 1.4 grams on Jan 4th, how do you know he (?) pooped 4 times? misterCuddles pooped once on the 3rd for 1.1g, but twice on the 4th for 1.0g; I don't see the pattern. — gung Dec 10 '13 at 14:36
lol
 
10:13 PM
The question needs to solicit a collection of lists, links, or just images, and that will be fine for the site
 
Eh?
Am I missing some context here?
 
1.1g? Those cats are seriously constipated.
You would have to keep track of how much they puke on the carpet, too
You can't escape feature creep.
 
rofl
 
@Pëkka They're apparently in deca-pennies, 10 times the weight of a penny.
@gung thank you for taking the time to fully understand the problem. those are the weights in deca-pennies. so 1.1 means it weighed the same as 11 pennies. — davez0r Dec 10 '13 at 14:32
 
@hichris123 lol
 
10:25 PM
Canada doesn't even have pennies any more
 
That whole question is turning out to be a Rorschach test
 
@ElfSlice Canadians.
Getting rid of pennies.
Everyone knows it's just so they have an excuse to round your taxes up to the nearest $0.05 :P
tries to think of starrable thing to say
 
Pennies are for nerds
@Undo See? Easy!
 
10:42 PM
:P
 
 
1 hour later…
11:46 PM
Great idea:
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Q: Make migration paths just another Off Topic reason

Shog9The system in place for migrating questions on Stack Exchange is confusing and overly-complicated. But don't just take my word for it: go use it for a few years, try getting a bunch of decent questions asked on the wrong site onto the right sites reliably and without migrating a bunch of stuff th...

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