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7:00 PM
@PopularDemand You should get a SO prize for the most Creative Name
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@Diago Agreed
 
@balpha Speak to Jeff @PopularDemand has not gotten a T-Shirt, maybe we can organise him one for his name?
Hmmmmm.... I really did chase everyone away.
 
Not me :-)
 
What, just one lonely Stack Overflow t-shirt? See my comment on this answer and then make me a Stack Exchange shirt.
 
Hey did anyone hear what Google's "big announcement" was?
 
7:04 PM
/msg @Diago, alternatively, I could copy my MSO information to SU and you could rig the SU anniversary contest.

They did turn on private messaging, right?
(If someone who uses IRC can tell me the real command for /pm I'll edit my message.)
 
@PopularDemand Only if they also made me a mod who sees all PMs :-)
 
@PopularDemand mostly /msg
 
@Josh Yes, I heard. And I, for one, welcome my new Skynet masters.
 
/msg @PopularDemand test!
 
@PopularDemand If you want real privacy maybe you and @Diago should get a room ;-)
 
7:05 PM
@Josh Congrats!
 
or /query
 
/me thinks the chat isn't IRC
 
But that's an irc thing
 
I will not allow IRC features to infiltrate this chat. EVER
You can get your IRC features over my cold and dead body
 
Aren't rooms an IRC feature ?
 
7:09 PM
(Looks around to make sure he's dad's not around)
 
/me reminds @Diago he was known as '/me' yesterday...
 
Honestly, I'm surprised that there aren't more people whose Meta names are, well, meta-names.
 
@Josh You missed the point. It's my silent protest!
 
Mine is since, someone asked a question about name ending in .aspx
 
@PopularDemand I've been considering a name change for a few days now
 
7:10 PM
@PopularDemand FYI. I promise @Shog9 this is my last night on chat, since he doesn't come here because of me :(
 
@Diago His loss!! :-)
 
@HoLyVieRaspx as long as you don't change it to HoLyVieR'; DROP TABLE 'questions'; in 30 days....
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Little Holyvier Tables, we call him...
 
Or, worse, TABLE 'badges'... or TABLE 'reputation'....
 
7:13 PM
@PopularDemand I would cry!
 
HoLyVieR'; UPDATE reputation SET reputation = reputation + 1000000 WHERE id = 356451;--
 
TABLE 'posts_Josh_cares_about'
 
This is my next name
 
NO I would never be able to recover. I will be in hospital. On machines. Just saying.
 
/nick Joe'; DROP TABLE 'stuff';
 
7:14 PM
@HoLyVieRaspx, and yet, Jon Skeet would have more points than you
 
RESURRECT TABLE 'boatProgramming'
 
@Diago On machines which look like the StackOverflow logo :-)
 
@LasseVKarlsen this is sadly true :(
 
@Josh Yeah. I have a set of stickers all ready for my new toy. It is not going to stay clean for long after I get it.
 
I mean, for crying out loud, the guy gets out of bed in the morning and gets 175 points and two badges, just for that
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7:17 PM
SWAP REPUTATION(22656, randInt())
( DROP any attempt at proper SQL syntax )
 
@LasseVKarlsen Please come in, there is a couch over there. Are you comfortable? Good. Now, would you like to discuss your issues? :)
 
crap can't change my name till sept 30
 
That didn't work as well as it did in my head :(
 
Is there a nice SO developer that could remove that limit on my account >.>
 
@HoLyVieRaspx There is as much chance as me getting my name changed to /me
 
7:20 PM
@HoLyVieRaspx there's a known workaround
 
@HoLyVieRaspx @Diago's father can... :-)
@balpha oh?
 
You knew the rules, right?
 
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A: Name Change Limiting can be Broken

PekkaThis is now my favourite bug report on Meta. Finally, anarchy is restored. Thank you!

 
nice :D
 
@balpha Your needed in The Lounge :)
 
7:22 PM
That's great! But I'm already on SU :-/
Welcome back @Fosco
 
The only thing that is boring is that we can't have ; in the name
 
@Josh thanks.. I miss anything?
 
so my name is now officially "HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--"
 
@HoLyVieRaspx +1
 
@Fosco Mostly more of the same :-)
 
7:32 PM
I have such an awesome development idea, but I can't tell any of you about it.
 
Awwww :-(
 
sucks to be you...
odds are though, it will never happen.
 
@Fosco What possible purpose could there be to this statement, other than to turn the room against you?
 
@PopularDemand To instill jealousy? :-)
 
@PopularDemand lol... I have no idea, I just thought it would be funny, and I'm kind of excited about it.
and if someone was seriously intrigued they could make a point to contact me offline.
 
7:42 PM
@Fosco Ah. So, to answer my question, "to achieve some minimal human interaction."
 
LOL
Maybe "to achieve the maximal human interaction on this topic permitted by outside constraints"
@Fosco can you give us a general topic?
Are you building a search engine? A database system? An image processing library? Your own version of Skynet? :-)
 
@Josh team based development is the topic.
 
@Fosco Sweet!
 
It's something I've never liked or seen a good implementation of.
 
@Fosco Are you on, or do you have access to, a Mac?
 
7:52 PM
@Fosco What, Skynet?
 
The best method I've seen is 2 people 1 keyboard (no not the youtube video)
@Josh I can VMWare Snow Leopard on my PC at home... why?
 
@Fosco Check out Coda
Very basic, but has a "share the file I'm editing" function
allowing multiple developers to edit a single file
 
@Josh Pro tip: If you link the page instead of the image itself, the mouseover text gets pulled in also.
 
could be useful to get some ideas from
@mmyers Still oneboxed?
 
7:55 PM
@Josh yeah Coda is a typical example of an existing solution..
@Josh but still leaves the involved parties completely disconnected and possibly at odds.
 
ARGH! How I hate error handling with error numbers
I wish Microsoft had switched to Exceptions a long long time ago!
 
8:18 PM
night y'all.
 
I'm looking for a use of this emoticon, so I'll just randomly put it here
 
So, someone come up with the criteria for a pinned post in this room
You got 2 minutes, go go
I'll be back in a few hours to see what this led to.
 
1. It must be in the form of a question
2. It must have the word "brew" in it
 
Brew?
 
I don't know... we're in a tavern galdarnit
 
8:32 PM
I know
I just posted something that met your criteria
 
Brew up some names for this room, pretty please?
 
Ha.. very nice
 
Ug, sorry, got pulled into a meting with out CEO
Rats, I missed @Fosco!
 
a leetle to the left next time...
 
Is Fosco the new waffle?
 
8:39 PM
HA! @JohntheSeagull your name/gravitar looks great in chat :-)
John the (image of seagull)
Anyone in here ever worked with fonts, specifically designing/creating/altering them?
 
I've taken new seagull pictures!
 
8:52 PM
Google is quick to pick up new questions
Posted a new question, and just minutes later a google query shows it
 
@LasseVKarlsen wow!
That is quick :-)
 
@LasseVKarlsen Stack Overflow is a synonym of Google
 
Stack Overflow is a Google subset
 
That was dumb. I'm leaving now
 
9:03 PM
@JoePhillips I missed it, but I'm sure it wasn't anything dumb enough you'd have to leave!
 
Don't be so sure
 
@JohntheSeagull LOL, true :-)
 
Speaking of stupidity, what's the lightest VM software around?
for personal use
 
@JohntheSeagull VirtualBox?
 
9:05 PM
@Josh will check it out?
 
Ok, think I've done what I can on this problem for tonight
Guess the bug will have to live on another day or two :(
 
I know how that goes @LasseVKarlsen
I may be in a similar boat
 
I hate such bugs too, entire program just crashes hard beyond recovery on 32-bit OS (or when compiled for 32-bit and running on 64-bit)
Apparently something changed in the manner .NET loads assemblies from 3.5 to 4.0
 
Ouch!!!
 
Apparently .NET 3.5, and 64-bit OS+program uses LoadLibrary to load extra assemblies, so they all get a valid module-handle, but a 32-bit IL-only assembly will not, so it gets no such handle
 
9:11 PM
Hum, I apparently screw up the links between all my SE accounts since, I've used that hack to change my name :/
 
So my keyboard hook, which has to be installed with a valid module handle, fails to load :(
 
how are you typing then?
 
Hm? You asking me @JohntheSeagull?
 
@LasseVKarlsen why are you writing a keyboard hook in .NET?!
 
Why not? I guess that can be a silly question since I am having problems with it :)
But it used to work nicely in .NET 3.5
And it's not a inject-a-dll-into-other-processes type of hook, it is just a notification hook
 
9:16 PM
@LasseVKarlsen then you don't need a module handle.
 
SetWindowsHookEx needs one
 
the module handle is only necessary if you're injecting into another process
set it to NULL
 
Oh man, is it that simple? Testing...
 
if you're injecting, it makes sense - Windows needs to know what module your callback routine is in, so it can load it into other processes. But for your own process, it's already loaded... All Windows needs to know is the address, and which thread to call it from.
 
Looking at the documentation on that function, it says:
A handle to the DLL containing the hook procedure pointed to by the lpfn parameter. The hMod parameter must be set to NULL if the dwThreadId parameter specifies a thread created by the current process and if the hook procedure is within the code associated with the current process.
My emphasis
For the thread id, if I set it to 0, it is associated with all threads in the same desktop as the calling thread.
 
9:21 PM
Welcome back @Fosco!
 
So I took that to mean that I have to pass 0 for the thread id, otherwise it would not capture key strokes pressed in other processes, and then I would have to provide a handle
If I pass it as 0 (IntPtr.Zero), I get a "file not found" in a different part of the program, so I'm guessing it hijacks something in a bad manner here
Yep, crashes hard when I press any key after installing the hook, though the installation didn't crash
 
Sorry I can't help @LasseVKarlsen -- I'm not a windows dev guy
Perfect question for The Roach Motel if anyone besides me were in there :-)
 
@LasseVKarlsen in order to capture events not intended for your app, you either need to inject into other apps
...or use a low-level (..._LL) hook
 
I am using a low-level hook, sorry for not mentioning that
 
oh
in that case, specify a thread ID
 
9:24 PM
I am using the WH_KEYBOARD_LL
Ok, working on getting the thread id here now
 
for a _LL hook, Windows suspends the thread the message is intended for and sends a message to the specified thread in your app that triggers your hook
once you're done processing, it resumes the original thread
(if you take too long, it'll do that anyway... but don't take too long)
 
You have to specify the tid for which you want to capture events?
 
When I install the hook now, with AppDomain.GetCurrentThreadId for the thread id, and 0 for the module handle, I get an exception
 
for a _LL hook, you're just specifying the thread that the hook will be called on
 
"This hook procedure can only be set globally"
Note that passing the module handle and 0 for thread id (ie. global) worked nicely when the assembly was 64-bit, and it was running on 64-bit OS
but apparently it was changed in .NET 4.0 so that not all 32-bit assemblies are loaded using LoadLibrary, and thus won't get a module handle
if I change to .NET 3.5, it runs nicely on both 32-bit and 64-bit, but that's last resort since it means I have to downgrade some class libraries as well
 
9:28 PM
hmm...
 
Hmm, I remember having read an article about how assembly loading has changed in .NET 4.0 especially for those mixed cases
 
which means porting a lot of code from my .NET 4.0 libraries back into the 3.5 libraries
Yeah, and I found this:
Which suggests this changed, quote:
> We made a change in .NET 4 Beta2 where we avoid calling LoadLibrary on IL-only images in 32-bit processes.
Manually loading my assembly that contains the hook code, through LoadLibrary, and passing that handle to SetWindowsHookEx, installs the hook, but then subsequently fails somewhere else with a file not found exception
I'm guessing that it doesn't really manage to get that working, and I didn't think it would either
In any case, I'm off to bed, my head hurts like hell, I'm thinking I'm coming down with an angry cold or something
And I've posted my question to SO:
 
@LasseVKarlsen :-( Hope you feel better!
 
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Q: SetWindowsHookEx failing in .NET 4.0 on 32-bit machine with "module not found"?

Lasse V. KarlsenI have found similar questions on this page, but I can't seem to figure out how to interpret the answers or figure out if they are truly duplicates. Here are the possible duplicates I've found, with comments: SetWindowsHookEx returns 0 when compiling for the .NET 4.0 framework in 32bit machine...

... and I fired off an email to Hans Passant, since he commented on a similar question along the lines of that change in .NET 4.0
Hopefully I'll have some answers tomorrow
StackOverflow truly allows one to go to bed and have a solution in the morning
 
had to look up the docs for AppDomain.GetCurrentThreadId
 
9:34 PM
@LasseVKarlsen Are you on the 20 mins sleep schedule?
 
Appreciate the help @Shog9, if you have any other thoughts, I'll check the transcript tomorrow, and my email address is lasse@vkarlsen.no if you feel so inclined
20 mins sleep schedule? hehe no, but I guess I could sleep for shorter than that and still have a SO answer by "morning" :)
 
@LasseVKarlsen beat me to it, was just about to say that :-)
 
Btw, is there any way for me to make a "mark" at this point in the transcript?
 
@LasseVKarlsen Permalink that
 
so that I can easily find this spot and return to it, to read the rest?
Ah, of course!
 
9:36 PM

The Tavern (General)

Here we have our fill of bread and wine, and then tell of tale
 
This system is beyond brilliant!
 
LOL, not what I intended to do :-)
@LasseVKarlsen Isn't it?
Major props to @balpha
or Brews :-)
 
@LasseVKarlsen I don't do a lot of work with managed code, so probably can't help you... but I would check & see if AppDomain.GetCurrentThreadId is actually the thread ID used by WinAPI
 
Anyway, thanks, and good night, don't sit up too long :)
I will
 
'nite
 
9:37 PM
Will try P/Invoking it too
 
Sleep well @LasseVKarlsen
 
but yeah, g'nite :)
 
uh
> Welcome New User
> Programmers is a collaboratively edited question and answer site for people who love indirectly relate to programming. It's 100% free, no registration required.
 
Need some Grammar help there @badp? :-) There's a StackExchange site for that!
 
@Josh Feel free to offer it here. ;)
 
9:57 PM
@badp Will do! :-)
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A: Problem with the site introductory text

JoshI suggest: Welcome New User Programmers is a collaboratively edited question and answer site for people who love anything which indirectly relates to programming. It's 100% free, no registration required Simple, but effective... :-)

 
@Josh I think you messed up the formatting there
 
@MichaelMrozek probably :-)
What do you suggest?
 
> ## Welcome new users!
>
> Programmers is a...
@Josh ↑
 
Yeah, there should be a newline after "Welcome New User", like the way the question does it
 
Ug!
Thanks guys
 
10:05 PM
@MichaelMrozek To be fair, he doesn't have edit privs to see my markdown.
 
Damn "quote" function gets me every time
It was right before I did that :-)
but shame on me for not double checking, lol
 
Out of curiosity
Is it me or sometimes the quote feature will mess up things like inserting the extraneous "blockquote" word before and after insertion point?
 
Always messes me up @badp
 
@badp Neither do I, but you can still get to it, you just have to type the URL manually: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/119/revisions
 
It reworks linebreaks (as you just saw :-)
 
10:08 PM
Okay, can repro.
Posting to meta.
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Q: Quote button in the Markdown toolbar is glitched.

badpSimply press the Quote button (or hit Ctrl-Q) in any textbox with the Markdown toolbar. This is what I should get: > This is what I get: Blockquote Blockquote> BlockquoteBlockquote Blockquote If you try selecting some text to blockquote, the same glitch will happen, except each extra ...

 
This has been posted like four times in the last week or so
 
@MichaelMrozek Can't see it on the related bar
 
I think it keeps getting marked [status-norepro], so it's probably good to bring it up again
 
Others complain about lockups
 
Oh, no, that's right, it gets closed as Chrome's problem
I think this is the first:
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Q: Bug using quote button in Google Chrome on Windows

rchernWhen highlighting text and using the quote button, the replaced text is incorrect. It takes the end of the quote, and adds that as extra to both the beginning and the end of the replaced text, messing up the quote. This text is quoted below as an example. example. example.> When highlighting ...

0
Q: Quoting Bug on Chromium

The Pixel Developer Possible Duplicate: Bug using quote button in Google Chrome on Windows Since this one is a bit hard to explain, here's a video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsABVhOmzhc Chromium build: 6.0.464.0 (52070) Ubuntu 10.04 amd64

 
10:20 PM
Deleted as dupe. Sigh.
 
Neither of those is the one I'm thinking of, there's one where Jeff concluded it was a bug in the way Chrome handles something; it was recent
 
but... Chrome is the best web browser out there!
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A: Best web browser for a programmer

Jeff AtwoodChrome is the best web browser out there, bar none, the best web browser for a software developer is still Firefox -- mainly because Chrome add-ins can only be web pages, so the full richness of FireBug is impossible to achieve in Chrome. At least not using the current Chrome plugin model.

 
Ah, victory:
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Q: Blockquote glitch in editor in Chrome 6

DanWell, I would just bump up this question with an edit, but my meta rep isn't high enough. So I'm posting this as a new question. Here's the problem: in the latest stable version of Google Chrome (6.0.472.53) -- now out of beta -- clicking on the "Blockquote" button in the editor results in a str...

 
Besides, Chrome 6 is now gold.
Well the bug is still in Chrome 7
so somebody who knows the system please report it :)
or
somebody with Chrome 6 or Chrome 7 dev, please go here then pick Wrench Menu, Tools, Report Bug or Broken Website
This form is broken in today's nightly :/ (58782)
Nobody?
 
Sorry just had a server kernel panic, ctn :-)
 
 
1 hour later…
11:35 PM
Well, damn, I think my life just went through a mini apocalypse. One server kernel panicked, my father called me to tell me my stepmother's mother is in hospital in grave condition, and I just found out my landlord is filing bankruptcy and I may have to move out of my house -- all within the span of 1.5 hours!
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What a day...
 
...and the first thing you did is come here and tell us.
I know, I'm not helping.
Just saying.
 
Does anyone understand how to get the Announcer badge?
 
@badp Of course! (Actually I was here the whole time)
 
Well, that sucks greatly @Josh, hope everything turns out for the best ASAP
@LanceRoberts Look closer to the link button
 
Thanks @badp
 
11:38 PM
@Josh if it can cheer you up, I think XN--ABAB-FT8AAFAKBGB80AS41C.COM is still up for grabs
 
LOL!
 
11:56 PM
@Josh ah
 
Fun stuff eh @Sathya? :-)
 
@Josh yeah.
 
Who needs a good laugh?
 
@GeorgeEdison DO WANT!
 
11:57 PM
WTF
 
OMG WTF!!!11
:-)
1 answer:
 
earth calling @Jeff
 
I know. Lol.
 
I'm glad that question can be closed in 5 hours.
 

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