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12:06 AM
@jth41 Probably nowhere. It sounds like a license issue, which should involve a cup of coffee and the license agreement, or a lawyer if that's your cup of tea. The internet is a very poor place for dispensing legal advice (and is generally frowned on in most of SE).
Oh. That was 2 hours ago. Time to cross "telling time" off the skills section of my resume.
 
12:22 AM
Everybody’s picking wintery names. I…
… uh
 
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Q: Show 10kers some simple analytics in the tools

UndoCurrently, only Diamond mods have access to real analytics - with pretty graphs and stuff. I'm currently helping in a Beta site, and I'm very interested in how the site is doing. Because of this, I have a big system set up that collects stats from the API on a regular interval. This works ok, but...

@minitech I bet you're better at it than I am :)
 
@Undo Would love this so much. You do know that you have access to quantcast at least, right?
For instance: this
 
@jmac Yes... but I want them in the 10k tools ;)
 
Never having been a mod, I don't know what fancy secrets they get access to, but I would love more numbers.
I love numbers.
 
Numbers!
One of my plans is to make a system that would allow normal users to see detailed stats on sites.
 
12:30 AM
That would be awesome. My biggest issue is that all the stats we have access to take out deleted questions, which are a super-important data point
I would love to see how many questions we get, how many get closed, and how many are then deleted.
But I can't. Because of numbers.
 
Not sure even diamonds get that.
 
Know who gets that? Shog9. Because he has a wealth of information at his fingertips.
I am not a jealous man, but I have number envy.
 
yeah... but Shog is kind of a god. We want to steal the gods' fire.
He who has direct access to the DB can do anything.
 
(it is a little known fact that number envy is deadly sin #6.5)
@Undo Is this a bad time to make some programming joke related to dropping all tables?
 
Probably. Shog's right over there.
 
12:35 AM
Don't worry, I don't know enough SQL to properly make the joke. Using the data explorer is like watching someone try to swim in a pool of jello
 
Mmmmm, jello
 
I haven't had Jello in over a decade. I don't think it exists in Japan.
They make a jelly-like snack out of potatoes though. I guess that may sorta count.
 
It boggles the mind how this question keeps getting upvotes.. It's an answer that provides a worse version of the starting code..
 
@jmac can you show me how to link to a post in chat?
 
@jth41 Like this?
 
12:46 AM
the notification I recieved in my inbox about your reply took me to here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/…
 
Or this?:
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Q: Can I derive a combined equation for velocity of solar sail

Vedant Chandra In this article on The Planetary Society website, I read this about solar sails: At an acceleration rate of 1 millimeter per second per second (20 times greater than the expected acceleration for Cosmos 1), a solar sail would increase its speed by approximately 310 kilometers per hour ...

 
I mean a chat post
 
@jth41 Oh, click the little hover-dropdown arrow thing and copy the permalink.
 
You have to put it on one line, with nothing else on it
 
12:52 AM
any ideas why this weird bug just happened to me?
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Q: Notification link takes me to the wrong chat room

jth41A little while ago I recieved a message in my inbox notifying me of a reply to my post in Tavern on the Meta It looked like this: It should have taken me here However when I click it, I get taken here why?

@jmac It came as the notification from your post
 
1:07 AM
@jth41 It looks like they screwed up the notification links
It should have sent you to chat.meta.stackoverflow.com but instead sent you to chat.stackexchange.com which is a totally different domain]
This is likely going to be fixed in a day or so since it used to work properly I'd assume. Good use for a meta post though!
 
1:32 AM
@jth41 See? Fixed already!
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A: Notification link takes me to the wrong chat room

Nick CraverThis was fixed in a build that went out a few minutes ago. It's on a per-message basis, so future messages won't have the icon or link issues.

 
 
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3:10 AM
merry Christmas @undo:
Welcome to Stack Overflow. For a someone new to SO and programming this is a well done post. +1 Good job. — Joshua Wilson 54 secs ago
 
 
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7:59 AM
adding to the chrome 31 woes, the site is noticeably slower for me now using it (as opposed to firefox 22)
 
 
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10:27 AM
I miss answering questions. It seems I'm drawn to low-quality questions like a moth to a flame, and spend my time closing and commenting rather than actually answering anything.
 
10:59 AM
It seems that the tags and are used for the same thing.
Should they be synonyms, perhaps?
 
Possibly burninated - they kinda seem overly meta
 
302s to (0 questions) - huh?
 
11:39 AM
I'm still for burning
 
@Oded Both tags seem to be used for bookmarked conversations in chat. I suppose that they are useful tags.
I am sorry, I meant and .
The tags at meta.SO.
 
Do we need meta.meta.so to discuss tag cleanups for tags on meta.so?
 
I suppose that meta operator is idempotent, hence meta.meta.SO=meta.SO.
But I can be mistaken.
 
But it is kind of old joke anyway.
 
12:15 PM
Before I request a burnination, is there anything useful to be gained from a tag like stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/messagebox ?
 
12:43 PM
@Stijn Doesn't seem an awful tag to me. What concerns you about it?
Note: having typed the above, I've since found your meta question.
 
1:12 PM
@Duncan Feel free to weigh in on the discussion :)
 
I think the answer from 3ventic is quite good, particularly the emboldened final paragraph.
 
1:50 PM
I hate close-vote audits. Especially if the post should be closed. "DIE POST, DI...WHAT? Don't take my fun away from me you audit-b*st*rd!"
 
Stack Overflow - withholding gratification since 2008.
 
@Bart I agree. Wait, what? the post has a score of +8 on the direct link and only -2 in the review. Leave open.
404 when clicking on the link? Close. Aaaand passed.
 
@Duncan yeah, really. If this place was any fun, I would actually spend quite a lot of time here ..... /me checks stats .... ah, nevermind.
 
@Bart You do it for that warm 'brown' feeling you get deep in the bowels of your heart.
 
Bowels of my heart? I don't know what your doctor has been telling you @jmac, but you might want to consider a switch.
 
2:05 PM
@Bart Oh, sorry, I thought you were one of the cool kids with Anatomy 2.0. You should fix that with jquery.
 
My anatomy is an alpha release. There's a lot of it, but most of it doesn't function as it should.
 
You're one of those suckers who got stuck with a gallbladder and appendix, eh? Those legacy organs always cause trouble...
 
I have a brown feeling in my bowels.
Just FYI.
 
2:24 PM
^^^^ we saw that!
 
This message will self-destruct in 30 seconds
 
Bah. That "human feces" thumbnail looked like it's served on a plate.
 
Note to self: deleting messages in room full of mods lacks the effectiveness one may expect
 
Even room owners can see deleted messages ;)
 
Can someone with edit priviliges change "nut" into "but"? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/91628/…
 
2:34 PM
@Stijn done
 
@jmac cheers
 
@ThiefMaster Can I elect deletion of chat messages as the most useless feature ever then?
 
Why do mods/owners need to see removed messages?
 
Why not. Nothing is hard-deleted on SO after all. And if someone posts racist bs and deletes it I want to see it so I can drop a hammer on the user instead of just seeing "(removed)"
 
If it isn't already, the user suspension mechanism should really be hooked up to a whack-a-mole
 
2:55 PM
@ThiefMaster Good answer!
 
@balpha: For people with access to deleted messages it would be nice if (removed) was clickable and loaded the deleted message via AJAX (or just un-hid it in case it's still available locally)
 
3:11 PM
wanted to toss an idea here before having it downvoted on the main site:
 
Is the close vote queue ordered by the age of the latest close vote, or the age of the question, or...?
 
as a mod on Academia.SE, it would be useful to me to know when one of our questions appears in the top 6 of the "hot questions" list
those are the ones shown when a user clicks on the dropdown
I would love to have a notification appear in my notifications section when that happens
would other mods find that useful as well, or just cruft they don't care about?
 
3:24 PM
Strictly-speaking, it's higher-reviewed - regardless of what the outcome of those reviews were (ignoring "skip"). This has two side-effects: 1) very few tasks with 6 previous reviews awaiting the "tie-breaker", and 2) the occasional 4-close-vote question languishing in the bowels of the queue because none of those votes came from /review. The actual breakdown by # of close votes is: 0->8320, 1->40711, 2->20193, 3->9812, 4->3498 — Shog9 Oct 8 at 5:11
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A: Reviews should show questions from your "favorite" tags

EmmettIn general, each review queue already prioritizes posts on which you have favorite tags, in addition to prioritizing more recently added posts. I checked into your review activity, and saw that you were given a couple posts without your favorite tags from the Close Votes queue. The Close and Reo...

hard to search for relevant stuff when there's no dedicated tag
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A: Sort Order on Close Vote Queue

Shog9The queue already works this way... Sorta: the more previous reviews a given task has had, the closer to the top of the queue it'll be. Note that this doesn't necessarily mean that questions with the most close votes will be given priority - "Leave Open" reviews count toward this too. However, p...

 
3:37 PM
Thanks @gnat.
 
3:54 PM
@Bart Or something like psDooM.
 
:)
 
4:08 PM
Gunning down monsters with avatars for faces could be kinda fun.
 
 
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5:15 PM
Oy, @Shog9, around? I have a proposal I'd like to clear.
 
@Undo what's up?
 
@Shog9 I have a stat-collection system (running off of /info) that grabs stats every few hours. I use these to make nice graphs and things - right now only for myself. I'm wondering, though, if making a Meta post on one of my Beta sites with hotlinked images of live graphs would be a bad thing to do.
Of total users, etc.
 
@Undo depends; assuming your server can handle beta-site load and you're always working off cached results (no increase in requests to SE generated by increase in requests to the graph-generator), shouldn't be a problem.
 
Nope, everythings on my end (nice big SQL db)
@Shog9 It's the part about showing the info that I'm a little squeamish about - there's a reason only Diamond mods get the nice graphs, right?
I've always thought it was to put a filter between people and stats to reduce cases of panic.
 
Who said panic? What panic?!? Is something wrong? WHAT AREN'T YOU TELLING ME!!! WAAAAA
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5:24 PM
well, philosophically there's good reason to avoid putting easily misinterpreted information in front of folks who really should be focused on other things. But there are rather more important practical concerns:

- they're slow
- some of the information in mod-graphs isn't stuff we can legally publish (this is actually debatable, but no one wants to debate it because playing lawyer sucks)
 
Ah. Ok.
 
@Undo Assuming you're working off of public information and you're not putting undue load on our servers, don't worry about it.
 
Awesome. Thanks!
 
@Undo Just make sure your graphs aren't misleading... ;-)
 
Lol.
That's doable.
I'll post a link to the meta thread here if/when I do it for inspection. Thanks!
 
5:36 PM
Wait what. I'm 30 reputation above the daily limit, I get downvoted and this isn't being made up for with some of that 30 rep?
 
Nope.
 
What's the reasoning behind that?
 
@JeroenVannevel Too expensive.
 
6:06 PM
heh, appearantly it gets filled up with future upvotes
that's a silly mechanism
 
 
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7:44 PM
new top bar rolling out!
 
Queue the chaos.
 
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Q: Please return the hot question dropdown to most pages

Dan NeelyThe UI update from a few minutes ago appears to have removed the hot questions tab of the StackExchange dropdown on the top menu bar from all pages except the Stack Exchange homepage. Instead all I have is "Explore our sites"; which is an apparent replacement for the all sites tab on the old int...

^ Chaos!
@jadarnel27
 
user234239
hi
 
@UV-D Oy!
 
user234239
am still under a lot of stress
 
7:50 PM
It'll all get sorted out eventually - nothing to be stressed out about.
 
user234239
that's what others are saying, it is stressing me out...
 
user234239
am also going a tad insane
 
user234239
I am almost as nutty as @Bart
 
user234239
shocking I know
 
user234239
I hate Christmas.... bah humbug
 
user234239
7:54 PM
@Undo?
 
user234239
hmmmmm scared him off.... such is my power
 
Wow.. IT is reaaaly black
 
user234239
huh?
 
The top bar in SO
 
No, that would be #000000.
 
8:00 PM
It is like the high contrast option
 
It's only sorta-very-black-ish.
 
Laf
Wow so much hate towards the new top bar :(
 
Oh well.. Just tel the users it is not black :) that will fix the stress :/
it is just that people don't like being force fed changes they did not ask for
Especially when it changes workflow they are used too. I think there also is a nice xkcd on that :)
 
Laf
xkcd has a nice comic for every situation :P
 
user234239
I think there are many xkcd's on that
 
user234239
8:02 PM
and a couple of dilberts
 
@RobAu Top bar's on SO and SU, but not yet on the SE sites I've checked. Also not yet on Ask Ubuntu.
It'll look really weird on Ask Ubuntu, because it'll have to fit under the Ubuntu bar.
 
There are probably children out there holding down spacebar to stay warm in the winter! YOUR UPDATE MURDERS CHILDREN.
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Laf
It's out on SF too.
@RobAu :D
 
Oh, you were complaining for real; sorry, I didn't realize.
 
Yeah. There should be a poll on the SO frontpage on the top bar :)
 
8:04 PM
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Q: The new top bar is out on meta. Consider it a beta

Jeremy TunnellEDIT Dec 4 - We're doing it live! Please post bugs or concerns as questions tagged [top-bar] We have rolled out our 95% completed top bar for feedback. Note: We are still adding a few final features, so if you have a request for a feature that is not there you might hold off on that for a da...

Er, do you realize that that xkcd is making fun of the guy who doesn't like change?
 
Laf
No, please, no polls :(
 
Sure, because he has an insane workflow :)
 
Laf
He's not complaining for real, if I get it correctly. He was merely answering my initial comment "So much hate for the new top bar :("
 
But the point is more that change is not really well communicated (in your face), there is no google-like option "give me the old style" and you have to discover that if you want to comment on the change, you have to go to meta
 
8:08 PM
That is something that I am complaining about. Change is not bad, but change without communication is IMHO
 
This sounds so much like the envelope Eeek situation.
How would you have wanted it communicated?
 
@UV-D Not even close.
 
user234239
@Bart challenge accepted
 
With a nice flashy pop up. Like the one that says click to reload. "We have a nice change for you in a week. Take a peek here"
Then you know what is going to happen and have some time to adjust, find alternatives, etc
 
@RobAu you could sign away your soul and join us on Meta for all the latest updates and advance notices. Granted, there is no turning back .... now that I think of it, leave while you still can.
 
user234239
8:11 PM
what if one has no soul?
 
Support those with alternative superior workflows!
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Q: Can we see the "hot network questions" during search results?

Jeroen VannevelI was going to add my request to this or this post at first, but I figured it would be clearer if I'd give it its own post. I keep track of new StackOverflow posts trough a search query like this: I do this for a few reasons: I dislike the yellow background that comes with tags you have fav...

 
That's why you're here, isn't it @UV-D?
 
I feel like I ended up between the BOHF and dogbert :)
BOFH that is
 
user234239
@Bart that is why I am a mathematics teacher <thunderclap>
 
Laf
I thought SW developers were the only ones to have no soul, along with trees and rocks.
 
user234239
8:14 PM
throws a banana-cream-pie at @Bart
 
user234239
throws a banana-cream-pie at @Bart
 
@Laf that is offensive to say the least. Trees do have souls.
 
user234239
my shoes have soul
 
user234239
well, it is 6:17 am here and I must go and save the world... well, go to work at the very least
 
Go forth and multiply
(math-teacher humour for ya. I'm hilarious....sigh)
 
user234239
8:19 PM
well, today we divide and conquer
 
Laf
8:31 PM
Math jokes... They exist?
I thought it was only a rumor :D
 
Sure they exist @Laf. Some say they are derivative, and that there's a limit to them, but I'd say screw them, cos humour isn't a sin ... etc. etc.
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xD
 
Laf
And I thought programmer jokes were bad :P
Just kidding ;)
Maybe you could use some help from a dev to decorate your jokes ;) An external observer drinking some java coffee could help you out ;)
See? Our jokes are bad :P
 
8:56 PM
@Bart Those math jokes were...awesome.
 
He should totally make more of those
 
More products will be along shortly. I'm still calculating their approach vector.
 
WELP it's been a good run for Tavern on the Meta, but it's clearly over now.
 
What in the name of brown are you talking about @Pops?
Thanks @jadarnel27, I'll be here the whole week. And the one after that. And the one .... what I'm saying is, I have no life.
 
9:22 PM
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Q: Remove v from [powershel-vX.0] tag family

abatishchevPowerShell related tags by some reason contain v in their name: powershell-v1.0 powershell-v2.0 powershell-v3.0 powershell-v4.0 Please remove it because this breaks our naming convention for versions, which never contain a v. Consider the following tags: c#-4.0 .net-4.0 java-7 twitter-boots...

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Q: Add hyphen to [IIS] tag family

abatishchevA paradox with IIS related tags is that iis-7.5 has a hyphen. What is definitely good and follows the naming convention, see .net-4.5 for instance. But other don't: iis5 iis6 iis7 iis8 Please add.

 
Is there a point to repeatedly dumping those here @abatishchev?
 
yeap. the point is to get attention of mods (for action). and regular users too (for upvotes)
 
Then put a bounty on them.
(once you can)
 
tag system is completely broken. so each case requires (me) to post a "question" on meta, gather upvotes, attract a mod, convince him to take action
honestly, I don't want to spend my rep on broken tag system.
 
Laf
Might be broken, but at the same time it raises the issue to everyone, and you might (or might not) get concensus. Which is a good thing when working with a community web site I believe.
 
9:28 PM
If the entire system is broken, perhaps you could ask a question about that on meta instead of posting a never-ending stream of individual cases. It'd be less work for you, too.
 
there are a ton of related questions for years
about plural form, about hyphen, etc.
 
Here's an idea: if there is a particularly good one of those, put a bounty on it
 
i don't say the tag system itself is broken, but a way to edit tags - is definitely broken
Bart, on SO there are hundreds and hundreds on improper tags, I'll get 0 rep if put a bounty on question for each of them
 
Laf
Then write a proposal on how we could improve the tag editing system ;)
If your only goal is to get reputation, then you're doing it for the wrong reasons.
 
I'm confused; you actually just said that. And yes, what Laf just said is what I meant earlier.
 
9:32 PM
it's obvious and was discussed many times. I have 30k+ rep (in .NET stack) and can't even propose a synonym for .NET stack related tag because I don't have enough rep in the particular tag
10k+ rep user is so called "trusted user" but actually this is not true
(let me fine the actual status when you get 10k)
I have no goal to get rep, neither on SO nor on Meta, really
but don't want to spend it for nothing, too
http://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges
yes, it's called "trusted user", after 20k rep
 
I'm not telling you to bounty each individual tag discussion. But you state that there have been discussions about the tag-system as a whole which have gone unaddressed or would deserve attention. Then bounty those. Heck, if there are particularly good ones, I wouldn't mind dumping a bounty on them to get them back up again.
 
I'm always up for putting a bounty on a question that could really benefit from it, bei it on Meta or on SO proper. Ping me
 
Just to be sure, those are genuine bounties @Pëkka?
 
the idea of bounty sounds good. but bounty (as I understand it) attracts regular users. and such topics should attract owners of SO/SE. I think (I hope!) this problem is well known for them. And it won't be a surprise: wow! really? we didn't know there are such problems.
 
Laf
You do raise a point though, at 20k rep you can undelete any question, but can't propose synonyms for tags you haven't gained enough rep for (if I get the system corretly). Sounds "unbalanced".
 
9:39 PM
@abatishchev Bounties (certainly on Meta) bring the question to the attention of the community, which includes moderators and even developers. Dumping them in chat (especially when doing so multiple times) doesn't achieve a whole lot and might only annoy.
 
@Laf i would say it's unbalanced in 2010, but if it wasn't fixed (or even improved, even slightly) it's a) broken b) they just don't care
@Bart fair point. I won't advertise these questions any more
I'm just wondering why there were no mod yet to take action, that's easy, imo
 
Laf
Maybe because they have other things to do too. But you posting them on MSO do help them (or any user with the proper privileges).
 
@Bart I'm insulted by your insinuation. My bounties are totally almost genuine. Yes, they are derivative products based on speculations against projected future rep developments, but they are made with real rep.
 
Laf
Pekka a.k.a. the MSO business investor.
 
My sincere apologies @Pëkka. I don't know what came over me, but I had sudden bounty-turning-out-to-be-a-brick visions.
 
9:50 PM
talks about tag synonym/edit proposal system look marginal to me: well-know problem for a small amount of user.
I saw a lot of questions/answers with tens of upvotes. for years.
and know several top-rep users (tens of thousands and more) who agree but can't do anything
a lot of top users left SO already and leave all the time. because SO moves in a direction different where these users want it to move
that's fair. because SO is a private property. it's operated/maintained by community, let's say so. but driven/led by owners.
 
absolutely, this is not a charity, this is a business, i have no illusions
sort of bugs not worth to be fixed. or bugs triaged and put in backlog
but this is from dev perspective. from user perspective I don't care about the triage and backlog processes. I want it be fixed 3 years ago. and hate it isn't fixed since that!
 
Laf
Funny how we know about bugs backlog and priorities, yet when we're on the user side of software, we don't care about them ;)
 
It's a daily occurrence @Laf. "No dear client, that is not easy to do. Do you have any idea how much work your simple change involved" .... "ARGH you stupid IDE, why can't you simply do this simple thing right"
 
Laf
Yup, I know and agree ;)
 
10:02 PM
:) true, it's really hard for users to believe there is a system ("software development") where a problem is known but decided to not be fixed any time soon
 
Laf
Stupid IDE's...
 
I have a friend blaming programmers all the time: why can't you just fix that?! (a problem in BIOS during overclock).
I try to describe him that the system is a little bit more complicated than he imagines. It includes managers of all levels and profiles making decisions. Sometimes looking weird or incorrect for regular uses oversea.
 
 
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11:06 PM
Geez, Meta's a firehose today...
 
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@Bart Seems to be the prevailing mood. 14 of 17 questions active in the last half-hour are about the topbar.
 
Fun experiment: change it again in a year or so and watch the complaints come in again. "You made the top bar lighter? It hurts my eyes"
 
11:39 PM
all black hurts my eyes right now :P
it's hard to distinguish letters on such background
 
My avatar looks bad on the black bar. =[
 
Mine looks beautiful as usual
 

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