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4:25 AM
Yay the weekend is over!
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5:05 AM
Is SO down for anyone else?
Well, good night.
And it’s up!
 
Mat
5:53 AM
@LaszloPapp: votes on posts that are deleted the same day are "reimbursed", you can cast some again (which is why your daily vote count can go above 40). Close votes are unrelated and counted separately.
 
6:08 AM
@Mat: interesting, I was not notified about your answer.
@Mat: ok, fair enough, although it is still weird you can withdraw a vote, and cannot put it back for the same or a different.
@Mat: has it been brought up yet?
 
Mat
For close votes: yes, this has been brought up. (And it tells you that before you validate the retract).
 
@Mat: no, for usual down/up votes.
 
6:22 AM
@Mat: should I ask about that on meta, or do you have an explanation why that is wanted?
 
Mat
6:32 AM
I don't remember that being the case for normal votes that aren't locked in. I'm pretty sure you could change a vote (e.g. from dv to upvote after an edit). Might be something preventing you from re-voting in short succession though.
 
so you mean I should ask on meta then?
last night, I was trying to change my vote on a question after some edit and discussion, but once withdrawn I could not put the new vote on.
maybe @Bart will find a thread already existing for this. ;-)
 
7:31 AM
Afaik, undoing a vote also counts as a vote to the system. So after 5 minutes, that "vote" would be locked in as well. If you want to change your vote, you'd have to completely change it, and not simply undo it @LaszloPapp.
 
@Bart: I had withdrawn and in a few seconds I toggled.
@Bart: and I got the error message.
I am sure it was within 5 minutes.
 
Hmm, strange.
The behaviour I'm talking about is stated in the comments here as well: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/64884/… Perhaps it's not bound by the 5 minute grace period? Would be weird.
Can't really explain that one.
 
ok, in this case, I will ask on meta.
I am willing to modify my vote in the future as well if the post changes remarkably, or the comment discussion leads to something different than I thought.
 
 
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9:57 AM
hmm, me rep cache shows 25 for today.
although I earned only 10 today (there was an answer withdraw and the revert of the withdraw). Is this OK?
the reputation for the mouse hover is supposed to show the up actions, only or how?
 
 
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11:50 AM
[status-deleted] is more like it, @Bart ;)
 
Hehe
 
@Bart: hmm, just happened to me again! I wanted to change an upvote to downvote, but I could only remove the upvote. Cannot put the downvote back. Fwiw, it is writing 41 votes for me today. This was happening literally within a couple of seconds.
 
But...but...we must downvote ALL THE THINGS!! There's probably a logical explanation. I don't have it though
 
@Bart: ok, I will try to ask on meta later tonight.
@Bart: I have about 1:2 rate, so I am a critic, I believe. :-)
Perhaps, I can try to reproduce this with a short video prepared to present it more clearly. I think it is easily reproducable now.
 
12:46 PM
Why can't we close questions with a bounty?
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Q: Can't pass Direct3D test in WACK 3.0 for any app

splash27In old version of WACK everything was OK, but in WACK 3.0 I can't pass Direct3D test. If I run all tests without Direct3D test, then everything will be passed. If I run all tests, then there will be troubles in Direct3D and Crash tests. If I run Direct3D test only, then WACK crashes during test. ...

 
Probably because it's quite rare for a sufficiently bad question to survive for two days to be able to put a bounty on it.
Flag it for moderator attention if you want to see it closed. Use the "Other" option and explain the situation.
Ah, my day is good again
I tell you why. The reason is sadly SO continues to make life harder and harder for the new users such as you. Whoever put this dysfunctional system in place DO Not realize they are losing their members to the Competitors such as EE. I visit EE every day and see users who ran from SO because of this huge flaw. Who will be the winner of this competition an the end of the day? The one with the most users base. — S Nash 4 mins ago
 
Removed
 
Ahhhh, you're no fun
 
Losing members to EE? LOL.
Why should I pay for helping others?
 
1:03 PM
 
I know, but I just can't help my cheerful self.
 
@Oded We are no robots :-/
 
Indeed @Mistu4u. I'm a pair of glasses.
Boltclock is a Unicorn.
And Oded apparently is hot .... who knew...
 
@Mistu4u True. I am en disembodied algorithm.
 
@Bart I am a cannibal in my spare time (look my picture) :-D
 
1:07 PM
Don't worry, one day you'll make a career out of your hobby. Just keep at it.
 
@Bart Thank you :-)
 
@Bart - still drunk?
 
Might I refer the right honourable gentleman to the following ...
If this however refers to my statement regarding your apparent hotness .... then I'm merely paraphrasing your own statement.
 
It seemed to cast doubt on my statement - surely only someone drunk would doubt that?
 
Reverse-beer-goggles?
 
1:20 PM
> Who will be the winner of this competition an the end of the day? The one with the most users base.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
 
My last comment. OK so it looks like you guys love to lose more new users to the Experts_Exchange. Be my guest! — S Nash 6 mins ago
Do we start a bet on whether or not that will be the last comment?
 
Don't ... feed ... the ... troll
@perhapsPekka - I am scared. Why are you not?
 
I shall refrain
 
Ok, troll is troll. See his profile.
What close reason for "PLZ give me code?"
 
Ah yeah @JohannesKuhn. We were familiar with his work.
 
1:35 PM
Please provide TCL program — Punith 3 hours ago
 
Off-topic > Demonstrate minimal understanding
 
thanks. Not yet fammilar with the new close reasons.
 
2:00 PM
@Bart: do you know why I am seeing +15 more rep for the mouse hover than when I go to the reputation page?
 
Today, I got a "blue circle" with 1 printed in it in my chat. When I clicked it it showed me some flagged comment from some other "comms" room. Now I had no idea where this room is and why did the message come to me? I was so surprised that I could not do a thing and it disappeared suddenly. Anybody has any clue?
Perhaps I clicked on "skip" kind of option.
 
Probably someone flagged a comment in chate @Mistu4u. You can evaluate those or dismiss them.
 
@Bart But I am neither any room-owner nor a moderator. And I have never been to this "comm" chat room. So how can I get the flag notification? I believe it's some kind of temporary "bug".
 
The mouse hover where @LaszloPapp?
Someone will have to confirm @Mistu4u, because I only chat here where there hardly ever are flags, but if someone flags something in one room, it's presented to users in other rooms on the site as well.
 
@Bart I see. In that case, that might happen.
 
Ah, caching most likely. The answer is always caching.
 
I do not follow.
caching is not an answer itself.
because -15 could be caching, too.
or caching does not cache negative rep?
 
Nah, certain parts of the UI are updated at different rates. Not everything is real-time, causing differences in reputation values.
 
@Bart: nah, the +15/-15 happened eight hours ago
 
"The answer is always caching" is also somewhat of a Meta meme, given that in many such cases as yours the answer is caching.
 
2:16 PM
1) That is the oldest rep for today
 
Ah, that is due to the dates then I'd say
 
2) They both happened pretty much simultaneously.
you mean he managed a race at the day change?
 
The original acceptance was not today?
 
check the screenshots... ;-) Both are today.
I do not see hwy @Oded marked as duplicate
 
No, the original accept was 2 days ago. The unaccept of today most likely counts as a undo for that event. And then accept of today counts towards today's rep
 
2:18 PM
that thread in question was not deleted like the ones he sent.
@Bart: not according to the profile tab.
 
No, but for the dropdown
 
if that is so, that is the answer I need.
currently the ones marked as duplicate simply do not provide that answer.
the first talks about deleted stuff which is OT in my case.
 
 
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3:44 PM
Well, that was a fun deletion spree. :)
 
3:56 PM
do you think this question can fit in any site? ----v
if we have an array of lets say 5x5, with yes/no questions... what questions should be asked to be the most efficient? like, if you ask 25 times "is [index] your item?" or "is the index odd? then depending on the answer start saying, is [odd/even index] your item?", also other questions might be, is your item <=13? then depending ask <= 6, or 18, etc
or going, is [c] your column? until you find it, then is [r] your row?, etc I find it interesting
but going in each col/row is inefficient in bigger lengths, better will be to ask <= of half, then <= of the half of that, etc? I am confused
 
4:17 PM
^--- What question?
 
^--- That question.
 
4:29 PM
I don't think that questions ala "Where is the question here?" are appropriate on any site.
 
It sounds like you want to ask about the efficiency of different methods of searching for values in a specific data structure (in your case, a 2-dimensional array of some kind).
 
More specifically, if the question is meant to be this:
> what questions should be asked to be the most efficient?
Most efficient at what?
..and if it is searching for a specific value, it depends on whether the data structure is sorted...
 
I would use Bubble Sort.
And then search it with Bubble Searchâ„¢.
 
I would use Monte Carlo Sort
 
@jadarnel27 Did you get that package yet?
 
4:41 PM
So basically, use this paper engr.uconn.edu/~rajasek/bc3.pdf
 
Sure did, @animuson. Picked it up from my dad's place last night. Thanks again for that =) Orson Scott Card is my favorite author of all time.
I'm going to assume that you got me that because I'm awesome and have a great haircut.
Or it's a wedding present.
 
I don't know about the haircut thing...
 
Or my contributions on these websites have helped you vastly, both personally and professionally.
Haha - who would not like my haircut?!
It's immaculate.
 
@mootinator i will carefully read it
 
>.<
 
4:46 PM
I'm not sure someone who only shaves half their face has room to say what haircuts are immaculate.
 
Have you ever tried shaving your whole face, though? It's tedious.
 
That's why I frequently just skip shaving on days where I'm not going anywhere.
I should save up some money for that permanent facial hair removal thing they keep advertising on the radio without actually saying how much it costs, only that it's on sale for a huge discount.
 
I still have my boil water advisory beard going.
 
@animuson what if you are in a plane crash and you stay there for months and a boat comes to rescue but they don't believe you because you lack facial hair and they turn around and let you die in there?
anything permanent is dangerous
 
More importantly, if you are in a plane crash on the Canada/US border where will they bury the survivors?
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4:53 PM
I've now added "animuson" to my phone's dictionary. You've joined the ranks for Shog9 and mootinator.
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moot one could ask them where they want to be buried
 
Mostly so it stops changing your username to "animus on" whenever I type it.
 
or one could say "good bye I am going to see the final of Braking Bad I waited 3 hours instead of 1 because I chose 720p and took longer to download"
 
@Bart: which reputation counter is considered for the daily 200 rep counter?
 
You ask a lot of questions that most people are capable of figuring out on their own.
Here is the answer: Meta Stack Overflow
 
4:58 PM
pardon me I am on topic instead of talking about irrelevant real life things.
 
@mootinator I heard that joke first on The Cosby Show.
 
@animuson Oooh, you beat me I remember hearing it on "Blossom"
 
It doesn't seem very nice to bury the survivors. They've already been through quite an ordeal at that point.
 
@LaszloPapp All upvotes, downvotes, and suggested edits count towards the daily reputation cap. If you're worrying about events that reverse events from previous days, that's just what they're doing. They're reversing the original event, not creating a new event. So reversal events do not count towards that day's reputation cap, but instead recalculate the day the original event occurred. It only shows up on today as a friendly notice of why your reputation suddenly changed.
 
@animuson: does it mean that the 200 rep counter can decrease the number by one if an acceptance is reverted, and you fall below the 200 rep on the day where you got, say: 205? Fwiw, I am not worried about anything in here, just asking for information to know the operation of the site better.
 
5:06 PM
@LaszloPapp If you earned 205 reputation today, then tomorrow an acceptance is reversed, then today's total gain will end up being 190. Even though in your history it will list today as 205 and tomorrow as -15.
 
right, so the 200 rep counter is always recalculated when necessary.
it is not a static list which is increased at the end of the day when you exceed the 200 rep.
 
Whenever something occurs that affects previous events, each day where an event is reversed gets completely recalculated as if the original event had never occurred.
 
ok, so it is always recalculated if needed unlike certain badges, thanks.
I wonder what logic led to this instead of just always counting the rep when it happens, i.e. not going back in the history.
what was the main motivation for this? It is apparently causing some confusion for the people, so there must be some advantage which outweighs that.
 
That's why I proposed this:
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Q: Separate and visually indicate reversed events from the day's reputation changes

animusonWe've been getting a lot of questions like this ever since the feature to see event reversals such as deleted posts and serial voting was added into the reputation history; and their confusion is legitimate. Even well-respected users have become confused by that number above the day. It should di...

 
@animusin: upvoted, although I would do it a bit differently... but any step ahead is good.
@animuson: maybe a bounty would be beneficial?
 
5:22 PM
Added.
 
great. :)
 
@animucinex?
 
5:47 PM
@animuson: do you also know why I cannot toggle my vote on a post if I am behind the daily voting limit?
 
6:15 PM
@LaszloPapp As in you hit the daily vote limit and it won't let you retract a vote anymore?
 
@animuson: it will allow me to retract, but not replace.
btw, I do not understand what moderators think when declining flags for comments, and then yet: the comments are removed.
what is the rationale behind it?
I had too good flagging succeed/fail ratio that I now deserve breaking that? :)
this is now not the first occasion, so I guess I need to bring it up on meta now.
 
@jadarnel27 - Maker / Ender / Something else?
 
@LaszloPapp Your most recent streak were all declined about 20 minutes before a different moderator came in and deleted some comments. So blame it on conflicting opinions about deletion.
 
@animuson: that is fine, but recurring conflicting opinions so often?
I am just losing the motivation to help with flags.
because I cannot be sure which conflicting opinion will get there.
 
That's the only recent example I see in your history.
 
6:27 PM
@animuson: I guess recent means a very short time for you, then.
 
You also have to understand that comment flags are barely looked at. I generally spend about a second thinking about whether or not the comment should be deleted based on the flag reason given.
 
there was a similar occasion two days ago.
 
Especially when the list of comments flags gets up to 120, which it was at just a bit ago.
 
Comment flags are "special" because there are only two options: delete thes comment / decline the flag
 
@animuson: well, I had 95% track record for "success"
 
6:29 PM
However, there are many comment where e.g. "not constructive" fits (e.g. because it is a funny comment) but it's not worth deleting the comment
 
and it was comments to my selected answer about a previous discussion.
 
and nobody will delete+undelete the comment just to make the flag appear as valid
 
We can also edit them, but it's pretty rare that we'd feel like editing a comment.
 
anyway, the same happened two days ago.
 
ah right, totally forgot that (i guess that says a lot about how often i do comment flags ;x)
 
6:31 PM
90%+ track record, own selected answer, past discussion, all addressed -> how can that end up in decline?
within such a short while more than once.
(without a modulo approval, i.e. those are actually getting deleted)
 
Possibly multiple users flagged the comment afterwards. That deletes it automatically. Or the author deleted it.
 
I will put all this to meta.
 
We don't see your "track record" when reviewing comment flags. In fact, we don't even see who flagged comments, ever (aside from being able to see them in the list in your flagging history, but that requires you to tell us first).
 
so that others can see and learn from it.
@animuson: it is a relatively good bet if the selected answer author deleted his comments
that he is probably who flagged the other part of the now broken discussion.
or you do not see deleted comments?
 
we do
 
6:34 PM
Seeing deleted comments requires opening the post in a new tab and showing the deleted comments.
 
yes, of course?
 
That's usually way too much work for a simple comment flag.
 
so mods are not even checking the thread before such decisions? :O
 
We usually only check the thread for obsolete flags, since that somewhat requires checking why it's obsolete. Even then, we don't usually spend much time investigating. If the comment is out of place and makes no sense,or the post has been edited since it was posted => delete. Otherwise, dismiss.
 
well, I have two examples at hand.
where there were lots of comments due to a discussion
and the answer was updated.
I wanted to clean up the wall text.
and the OP selected my answers.
I removed 5-6 comments as well on my side.
they were marked as obsolete.
 
6:37 PM
But you also have a lot of streaks that do get deleted. You're only worrying about the ones that get declined which are few and far between. Moderators make mistakes, especially on comment flags where we don't devote much attention.
 
OK, I am not blaming moderators. :) I am just saying if you do not have time, and you do not wanna get more moderators on board, it may inherently have the consequence a few users get burnt.
and will avoid helping with flagging.
 
Which is one of the reasons the flagging badges were changed away from being based on accuracy at one point.
 
in other words, the flag review does not happen in the best quality possible, and until that changes people may withdraw the assistance for a broken process.
 
It's not that we don't have time - comment flags just aren't worth our time.
 
I guess a few people would disagree, and love to help with that in a quality manner.
for me, comments are important because I saw several good answers which got 1-2 pages long comments wall text behind.
and it decreases the readability of the thread, and bypass the main attraction (answers).
 
6:45 PM
The main problem with comment flags is the poor UI for moderators.
 
just got another selected answer with a wall text behind the comments... I do not even bother to flag them for now...
to get 6 declined stats again? :)
ThiefMaster: have you proposed a better UI?
I cannot because I do not see the UI
 
To handle them properly we'd often (besides flagged "plz help", "plz send me the codes" comments and similar crap) need to see the whole post's comments and the related flags in a nice way that allows quick deletion of both flagged and non-flagged comments.
 
The fact that deleting comments from a post thread via the flags queue requires a confirmation dialog sometimes discourages me from even looking at comment flags.
 
well, I cannot blame anyone who does not have time and the ui is even suboptimal.
but perhaps the system could be fixed then so that people have a friendly ui, and time for doing this nicely?
 
They're working on a new UI. I'm not sure how it will affect comment flags, though.
 
6:49 PM
working as in coding?
or providing some ui sketch?
 
both
 
is there any problem about leaving comment flags open for the time being if mods do not have time?
 
What do you mean leave them open?
 
not handling them (i.e. not even dismissing the flags)
however, for flags that are valid but on comments which do not really need to be deleted i don't think that's a good idea at all
 
yeah, leave it with people who have the desired time and devotion.
 
6:57 PM
I don't think anyone has the desired devotion to comment flags.
 
then perhaps SO could make an election for people who are interested in devotion, if the current team does not have that?
 
That's like hiring a door greeter. Nice to have, not necessary.
 
not necessary to give proper moderation to comments?
 
comment == second class citizens of the SE world
 
that is one reason why they should be moderated IMHO.
I saw many useful threads breaking due to a wall of text due to the long comment discussions.
 
7:02 PM
@LaszloPapp Breaking how?
 
it is hard to focus on the important posts: answers. There is a lot of distraction. I sometimes see 2-3 times longer comments than answers, and this is not even rare where I happen to be.
(Although I usually mark comments obsolete which was a discussion with me, and I know I addressed all the concerns, and the OP selected my post as the correct answer)
 
@LaszloPapp yeah, that's an ongoing problem. I don't think "more moderation for comments" is a solution that's going to scale, though. We're looking at some other ideas right now (possibly including stuff like "just hide comments over X days old")
 
That will have its own problems, too, I already see.
sometimes there are useful things in the comments which do not get addressed.
 
Yep. That's what makes this a hard problem. :)
 
why is it a hard problem? A moderation team for comments would solve it.
 
7:07 PM
We have thousands of new questions per day - comments dwarf that. A moderation team is not feasible.
 
I do not see why not.
 
@AnnaLear Why not show comment flags to 10k users and let them flag them away without moderator intervention? I don't see why comment flags need to be moderator-only.
 
In the area where I happen to be (C++/Qt), I usually read almost all the comments.
@animuson: I like that idea (for starter).
 
@animuson That might already be a thing. In principle, comments only require a number of flags from regular users to be deleted.
In a lot of cases, though, comment moderation requires context. Just enabling more people to easier remove small parts of a big discussion, for example, doesn't do much to solve the underlying issue.
If you're going to have a long discussion in comments (which you shouldn't :)), it's marginally better to have a complete discussion in comments.
 
@AnnaLear: I disagree. ;-)
@AnnaLear: comment discussions are tongue-in-cheek without the right focus IMO. It is better to summarize the outcome in the final answer, and then purge them.
 
7:12 PM
@LaszloPapp No argument here. That's the ideal outcome.
 
Think of it like a review item. Present the post, present the list of all comments, mark which ones are flagged. Then, let a user check a box next to all the comments they think should be removed, click a "Recommend Removal" button that lets them choose the reason. Other options - Purge All Comments and No Action Needed.
 
/me has never understood why there is no "purge all" reason.
"obsolete all"
 
custom flag, "all comments are obsolete"
 
I know, but it is not simple to follow.
I do not follow myself either.
I would prefer a dedicated option.
 
A lot of people would prefer dedicated options for a lot of things, but we can't go and make the flag menu infinitely large.
 
7:15 PM
(Also, I saw such text rejected when I wrote)
can you tell me a lot of things for comments?
such common as "obsolete all"?
 
Well, that wouldn't really make sense as a flagon a comment, it would make sense as a flag on a post.
 
that is details to me.
I just wanna have an option for this feature. :)
 
You could always write yourself a user script to add the option to the menu if you find yourself using it frequently, but a lot of users wouldn't find themselves flagging an entire comment thread as obsolete.
 
I would be more careful at claiming that. :)
shall I open a thread for it on meta to see whether that holds true or false?
I imagine that there are many quality people who do care about feedback, and they address everything in a discussion, i.e. they maintain their replies. Then, there are of course many who do not.
 
@Oded This was Maker (the first book in that series). Although Ender's Game was my first Card novel. Are you a fan?
 
7:28 PM
Most certainly. Read through the Maker series and the Ender series.
 
Did you read the Ender's Shadow books? They were a very cool extension.
 
No, not had a chance yet. Those are the Bean stories, right?
 
Yep, @Oded. I did not have high hopes for that series, but it severely proved me wrong.
 
Excellent - something to look forward to :)
 
Indeed!
I read the Alvin Maker series a long time ago, and have been wanting to reread it now that I'm all growed up.
A task which @animuson has now given me the ability to start doing.
 
7:42 PM
I liked that series - have it all in a box somewhere
 
 
1 hour later…
8:53 PM
I tried to read Atlas Shrugged once. That was a mistake.
 
 
1 hour later…
10:12 PM
@TimStone is just a cleverly hidden swastika.
 
You're supposed to conclude that statement with "Arrrooooooo"
 
Arroooooo
Communists everywhere.
 
10:37 PM
Oooo, my 300th bronze badge.
 
10:49 PM
Wasn't there a page somewhere on StackExchange.com that listed out all the past contests that the network has run?
 

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