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I wonder why they don't have chat sites for Beta SE sites.
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A: Is Programmers.SE a discussion board or a Q&A board?

Lance RobertsChat.Programmers.SE when it is implemented. Here's an example of a SE chat room.

 
Never mind, I misread cross site.
 
@LanceRoberts Yes, totally. NEXT QUESTION!
 
@TheUnhandledException Post it in feedback, although I think it's already planned
 
Hi all.
 
7:01 PM
Tell @balpha you're offended that it doesn't already exist
 
Haha. I'm not
 
Reality is irrelevant
 
I'm offended that /me support isn't implemented ;-)
That's the truth :-)
 
(:
 
I'm offended that the response to all the "/me" requests wasn't the implementation of something better
something without forward slashes
something that didn't look utterly retarded in transcripts
 
7:02 PM
\you ?
 
LOL
I'm joking about /me support
If I had to request one feature and only one feature it would be status
 
status?
 
I continue to use the "About Me" area but for all I know nobody every checks that, LOL
 
You gotta earn status!
 
status-is-this-still-working
 
7:04 PM
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Q: Individual Status field for chat

The Unhandled ExceptionI absolutely love chat and want to extend a huge thanks and token of appreciation, respect and awe-of-coding skill to Balpha, Marc Gravell, and the rest of the team who built it (sorry I don't know the names of everyone who was involved!!) I look forward to seeing chat launch on StackOverflow, a...

 
status-is-this-still-working
 
we need something like the old lucasarts games
click "open" -> click "door"
 
well, we already have the status ;)
 
result is like "/me opens door"
 
@TheUnhandledException doesn't chat do that automatically, if you don't post for a bit?
I mean, I wouldn't exactly expect @radp to jump out of the woodwork if I asked him a question.
 
7:05 PM
@Shog9 See my reply to Sathya -- the difference is, my Avatar goes dim whether or not I'm away from keyboard, or here and just not participating in the discussion. If everyone's talking about .NET and I'm working, I'll hear the sound if someone @Josh's me and I'll respond. But if I'm AFK, they might thing I didn't hear them or am ignoring them. The fading avatar indicates if I'm active or not, the feature I'm requesting indicates why I'm not active.
 
'cause of how he's all gray and such. Ashen-faced. Dead-looking.
 
@Shog9 Pfaw. You jump out of the woodwork all the time.
 
You know you can just leave the room if you want to forcibly indicate that you're away...
@PopularDemand yeah, but I'm a lurker. That's what I do. You just have to expect it.
 
@Shog9 I often leave chat running over a remote NX session so I can reconnect from a different workstation
Or, I step into a meeting and will be back in 15 minutes, etc
Well, sadly, meetings are rarely that short...
 
Tim
@PopularDemand Where did you see that icon by the way? I know I've seen it before, but for whatever reason I can't think of what causes it right now (though I did remember how to create another icon I forgot)
 
7:07 PM
@TheUnhandledException Thereby making all the work @balpha and @MarcGravell did on the transcript thing meaningless
 
@Tim In the Synchronize view.
 
@Shog9 Hardly. I use that all the time
 
USE IT MORE!
 
Tim
@PopularDemand Alright, that's what I thought.
 
Every time you don't use the transcript, Marc cries into his breakfast cereal.
STOP MAKING MARC EAT SALTY CEREAL!
 
7:09 PM
@Shog9 Okay! Okay! I'm using it right now!
 
That's better.
 
I'm so sorry @MarcGravell!
On the topic of chat feature requests, what about +1 rep point on the parent site for every chat star you receive?
XD
I'll bet @rchern would like that. I know her response already: "oy"
 
@LanceRoberts oh, man... The discussion on this question is just priceless
 
@TheUnhandledException, nah, (: works too
 
@Shog9 I'm going to start saying that at random, without the line before it for context
1 min ago, by Shog9
STOP MAKING MARC EAT SALTY CEREAL!
 
7:11 PM
@rchern You missed the joke :-)
21 hours ago, by The Unhandled Exception
@rchern AGAIN a star for "oy"!
 
@TheUnhandledException, no, i got that
but people like to star when i say (: too
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@TheUnhandledException I think you missed it, she gets stars for (: too
 
haha
 
17 hours ago, by Yi Jiang
@rchern Let's see how many of your "oy"s can we get up to the star list
@MichaelMrozek She gets flagged for (:
 
yes i'm aware of that
haha
 
7:12 PM
@Shog9 Yep, it's entertaining.
 
if anybody here uses StackFlair and Webmasters, favicon updated (:
</spammy psa>
 
I liked when this one was at the top of the list for a while:
Sep 27 at 17:51, by rchern
ooooooooof i'm an idiot
 
@rchern ROFLMAO. Ok. I concede the point people!
 
@MichaelMrozek ):
 
She clearly gets stars either way
@rchern Nice
 
Since I'm your only user, that must have been directed at me?
 
heh
it is in my flair too
 
Actually I use webmasters but it doesn't make it into my flair
 
@TheUnhandledException No, I was noticing the public as a whole of the recent graduation
 
@balpha, i think @TheUnhandledException was replying to my spammy psa
 
7:16 PM
I was
 
Whew, Trapp's gone, now I can say it: P.SE is doooooomed!
 
@TheUnhandledException You were what? I have @rchern on my ignore list, by the way [-:
 
):
 
@Shog9 is there an SE that isn't doomed in your opinion anyway?
 
@balpha Oh, that must be a bug
(-:
 
7:19 PM
 
@radp Naw, they're all doomed. But P.SE is dooooooomed!
 
I'll bet @MarcGravell is confused :-)
 
I posted Shog's cereal message in our internal room :)
 
HAHAHA
I was expecting a very confused reply from @Marc :-)
I promise to use the transcript every chance I get
 
@TheUnhandledException always. what about?
 
7:21 PM
12 mins ago, by The Unhandled Exception
I'm so sorry @MarcGravell!
But it's less confusing given @balpha 's crossposting
 
side note: I'm pretty sure @rchern is a Democrat
 
that is.........freaky.
 
AHahahahaha
 
we need
 
@rchern that is... backwards.
 
7:24 PM
to type
lots
push it off the screen!
(y'all could help hehehehe)
 
goes set it as its own gravatar for meta
wait I'm not the guy with the backwards face
goes set it as @rchern's gravatar
 
noooooooo
 
Howdy all
 
7:30 PM
hi
I think everyone's staring at upside-down heads
 
Hi Oded
 
What a photo - looks like a cross of Bill Clinton and Abraham Lincoln to me
 
@balpha I'm distracted dealing with backwards customers
Frustrating customers
 
oh, this is mean
There's been a snag with the miners' rescue. They've realised the last guy is going to be left with a fox, a chicken and a bag of corn.
 
:-(
Customer: We are not getting our emails! 2 customers submitted orders and we had no idea that they sent them
Me: Which order notification emails did you not receive, I'll review the logs to determine why you did not receive the emails.
Customer: It totally throws us off when your program doesn't work properly!!
Me: That response doesn't help me solve your issue...
And the whole time, the issue has been that her mailbox is over quota
 
7:40 PM
Media frenzy is crazy :(
 
@balpha hah.. what's your solution?.. nm.. i see the actual solution online but found a funnier wrong solution..
 
@JohntheSeagull Yeah, it sure is
@PopularDemand You made this new room and I went to all this effort to decorate it for you, but you've left me alone in there :-(
 
Does anybody know php?
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Q: PHP not including connection info, what's wrong?

MosheI'm trying to roll a CMS website and I'm on 1and1 Internet's hosting. I'm trying to connect to my MySQL database and I get the following error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) After some frustration, I decided to check my include and it t...

 
ok there
 
7:59 PM
We'll be deploying some changes to the @-mention detection soon, so please report if you see anything weird (like not getting a beep when you should etc.)
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I see something weird! People announcing changes before rolling them out :)
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@balpha What kind of changes?
 
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People usually do that, when they know something's gonna break ;)
 
@TheUnhandledException a) we now differentiate between an exact match and a partial match (i.e. @TheUnhandledException vs. @The) and b) we cache the matching to save DB roundtrips
 
@balpha Cool. So no (expected) change in functionality then, just backend stuff?
 
8:07 PM
mostly -- the only difference is that now @TheUnhandledException will match you if you've talked in the room in the past seven days, while @The will only match you if you've talked in the past two days
 
Are you going to do two character names now, with the @?
 
no
3 is still the minimum
 
Can I get notifications by fax now if my full name is used?
 
(and I think that's pretty sane, especially considering auto-completion)
 
@balpha you differentiate between partial and exact.... so what do you do differently based on that?
 
Tim
8:08 PM
@balpha I can hear the common-named masses cheering as we speak
 
@Fosco this:
1 min ago, by balpha
mostly -- the only difference is that now @TheUnhandledException will match you if you've talked in the room in the past seven days, while @The will only match you if you've talked in the past two days
 
hmmm, i think i commented on that meta post
goes to see if there are any replies she hasn't seen
 
@balpha oh.. ok.. nice. Thanks.
 
pffffft there are not ):
 
Looks like @Fosco was scared off :-)
 
8:17 PM
this change worries me regarding chats that are less used
 
the current (soon-to-be previous) way is two days in any case
so it's actually an improvement for those
 
there are several rooms i'm in that i mainly just idle in
 
I LOVE it when people upvote completely incorrect answers...
 
read, not necessarily speak
so i'm not necessarily getting a mention there?
 
@Fosco I LOVE it when people are completely confusing :-)
 
8:22 PM
@Fosco - what do you feel about completely incorrect answers being accepted?
 
Hello
So what are the changes?
 
hey @Chacha102
 
@rchern oh, no, sorry -- I lied there. It's not when you last spoke, but when you were last in that room
 
@Oded That always sucks
 
@Oded That would make me want to kill small woodland creatures.
ding! passed 5k SO rep
 
8:24 PM
/me cheers
Good work @Fosco
 
Congrats :)
 
@Fosco So go up-vote this, and feel the love...
 
Only 5k more for moderator tools ;)
 
@Shog9 done.
Thanks, Thanks..
 
5k is pretty exciting; that's when you gain the ability to do... nothing :(
 
8:26 PM
@balpha, for both exact mentions (7 days) and partial mentions (2 days) it uses in room not last spoke?
kk
 
@Shog9 hit me up for one here so I get the badge.. stackoverflow.com/questions/3927646/…
 
@Fosco Very good. Now I just need Ryan to accept it, and you can come kill all the rodents hiding in my wood pile.
 
@rchern yes
 
@Shog9 I've been tricked!
 
8:28 PM
@TheUnhandledException yes?
 
Sorry. Nothing.
I emailed you instead
 
@balpha, when did you say the house ads would show the right last activity again?
 
Hmm they should -- I'll ping the core team about this, since it shouldn't be a chat issue
 
Ok @Fosco I partially recant (if you read my email)
 
did they get removed from MSO? I don't even see it on there, but on WA 10/8 is latest
 
8:38 PM
I see 'em...
 
If there's any other PHP experts around, we have some dead simple PHP code in The Roach Motel that's not working. I am banging my head against a wall, I must be missing something really, really simple
 
Tim
Hm, I don't see them on questions anymore. They're still on the main page, at the very bottom.
 
ah, there they are
but still, shows proper data
 
@TheUnhandledException ah.. haha... ok i gotta go
 
TTFN!
 
8:41 PM
@Fosco No problem
@balpha or anyone else, I guess room owners can't delete messages?
 
no
just moderators
 
I was trying to delete a message because the history had a password in it
@balpha I flagged it, can you assist?
 
sanity check: @@@@
 
Hi, I'm an idiot this time.
 
the history is still accessible, even for deleted questions
just like on the main site
 
8:47 PM
@balpha - edits too?
 
Yes. I've deleted it, but you should still change the password
 
@balpha OK. Thanks. Looks like you're out of luck @Moshe
 
I will.
 
@balpha Thanks!!
 
@MichaelMrozek 1k is also pretty non-exciting
 
8:48 PM
(which you should always do when someone might have seen your password)
 
I will be very careful to warn people ahead of time in that room
 
"Hey guys, I'm about to mistakenly paste my password here, please sure you're not watching here when that happens!"
 
wait, we can see deleted messages?
huh?
 
@LasseVKarlsen hunter2 !!!
 
8:50 PM
uh-oh, we are one month old and already starting to repeat ourselves with awfully old memes?
 
Ok, now that I can access my db, back to work.
What's a meme?
 
good evening everyone
(or whatever time of day you're having)
 
A meme (, rhyming with "cream") is a postulated unit of cultural ideas, symbols or practices, which can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals or other imitable phenomena. (The word is a blend of "gene" and the Greek word μιμητισμός () for "something imitated".) Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes, in that they self-replicate and respond to selective pressures. The British scientist Richard Dawkins coined the word "meme" in The Selfish Gene (1976) as a concept for discussion of evolutionary principles in expl...
 
Gotcha
@Piskvor lol.
Have a good whatever time of day you're having.
 
huzzah, my user script is coming in handy!
 
8:53 PM
congratulations
 
haha at the sudden influx of comments
 
@Moshe Evening, but what with everyone being in a different TZ and whatnot
 
@Piskvor - I know. I was appreciating your statement.
 
@radp I like viewing vote counts. Particularly on meta, but even on parent sites
 
@MichaelMrozek Me too. I love doing it on Meta
I worked hard to earn that privilege
Most people don't care, I love it
 
9:10 PM
@MichaelMrozek the timeline view is public :)
 
@radp What is this timeline view you speak of?
 
ohhhhh that's what i should add to my user script! timeline link
 
47
Q: Feedback Request: New Timeline Question View

Jeff AtwoodThere is an experimental timeline view for questions now available on meta ONLY! (Now working on SO, SF, and SU as well) This is partially motivated by comments about how difficult it is to follow very active questions which have a lot of activity, and also the feedback on the API which was heav...

(it's been avail on all sites for a while now, half neglected. It's not the easiest tool to read ever, after all.)
 
@radp Thanks!
WOW
THIS IS AWESOME
Most underrated feature I've seen in a while
 
@Tim Good as is. Thanks.
 
Tim
9:20 PM
@Moshe Good stuff. :)
 
:)
 
yay! added to my userscript (:
 
@rchern Link please?
 
testing it, sec (:
meh, crowdsourcing is better testing, right?
 
Tim
Ah, very nice.
 
9:26 PM
@rchern True that
 
@TheUnhandledException I need help again real quick.
 
> Extensions, apps and themes can harm your computer. Are you sure you want to continue?
 
I want to do a basic login.
 
Hmmm... do I trust the source @rchern ? ;-)
 
Tim
@TheUnhandledException Be careful, she may have added the soul-stealing code
 
9:26 PM
you probably shouldn't (;
 
Er, what have I just installed?
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@Tim I think I'm safe there XD
 
Especially since it was written by an upside down smiler
 
Can't steal what I don't have!
 
Tim
@ChrisF +1 for installing first, asking questions later.
 
9:27 PM
@Moshe sure, step into my roach motel
 
@TheUnhandledException sounds shady.
and it's not a bug.
but ok
 
> Interactive help with bug testing, code review, anything that requires more interactive discussion/troubleshooting for a specific code issue than SO questions can provide.
 
I have to trust @rchern - otherwise she'll lock me out of web apps ;)
 
I'm open to new names :-)
 
@ChrisF, (if your question is serious...) it currently has 2 modifications: 1) makes the timestamp of each comment a link to the comment, and 2) adds a timeline link to the post menu
@ChrisF, you're my only company there...if i kick you out i'd have to talk to myself
q:
 
9:29 PM
@rchern Must have been what you did before chat was invented?
 
@TheUnhandledException try it on heavy duty questions :D
 
Tim
@rchern Can you remove the space here: |</span> <a href='"? :P
 
@radp Just installed her script, lemme find a heavy duty question...
 
Seen the timeline link - I knew about the page, but haven't used it since it was first announced
 
9:29 PM
 
@ChrisF, i've glanced at it a few times, but it really came in handy with the nothing2install vs webapps.se post as that was a lot of comment activity that was hard to follow
 
@radp I think this just killed the SO server ;-)
 
@ChrisF You can make interesting stuff out of it, e.g.:
 
The comment link might be useful
 
@TheUnhandledException weird, I thought the reverse proxy would only make my first load take a few seconds
 
9:31 PM
@rchern this thing I just installed... what's it do? ;-)
 
@radp I did wonder how you'd got the data for that
 
Now you know!
 
@radp Must be a chrome bug
The loading indicator took 30+ seconds to stop
Even though the page appears loaded
 
Tim
@radp Wow, that's cool.
 
status-norepro
Chrome 8 and it's fully loaded -- prolly the comics took too much time to load
 
9:33 PM
Yeah it just stopped for me, tool >30 seconds. Maybe it was an element on the page
or the fact I'm out of RAM
 
i think it is probably a good thing i started that script calling it a collection
i'm sure something else will pop up to add in, ha
 
@rchern There's already a timeline userscript, btw:
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Q: A Greasemonkey script that adds timeline links to all the questions

S.MarkFirst, I don't see links for timeline view, instead of directly typing url in the page. So, I have created a tiny greasemoneky script, that adds a timeline link to every question link. install script - view source Here are some screenshots On 10k Tools, UPDATE 1: changed {timeline} to Δ...

 
meh
 
Tim
@rchern's in-chat link involved less clicking, so she wins.
 
Are all those "A+1" thingies upvotes on answers?
 
Tim
9:42 PM
How come user names aren't shown on comments in the timeline view by the way?
@LasseVKarlsen I believe so, yes.
 
Huh, didn't know any votes was public
But apparently upvotes are
 
Tim
It tells you who received the upvote.
Which is no more than you can get from a user's reputation graph/details, I suppose.
 
Tim
(or by looking at the answer, heh)
Yeah, it's not very clear from a UI perspective..
Oh wait, I do see user names on comments...Hm.
I'm confused.
gives up trying to understand
 
@Tim haha
 
Tim
9:47 PM
The extent of my contextual laziness knows no bounds.
 
also, why would i want the questions listing cluttered with the icon on each line? and it originally added {timeline} to each line? oy.
 
Tim
Yeah, that doesn't make much sense to me.
 
Who maintains the chat backend code?
 
Tim
It seems like there's a very low chance I want to see the timeline if I can't be bothered to view the question normally. Maybe for 10K tools, but I'm not sold on that either.
 
exactly
same reason you can't vote unless you visit the question
well, maybe not the same, but similar
 
Tim
9:54 PM
Yeah. I think it fits in nicely where you put it, since those are all links that you should be able to easily ignore if you don't need them. Having it on every question title would make the front page even noisier, heh.
 
Damn brat kids in my yard, LOL. I swear I'm not a grouchy old man, but these neighborhood kids make me feel like one
 
Tim
"Get off my lawn!"
 
@Tim - My turn to point out your typo: "Get off (of) my lawn!" (two 'f')
 
Tim
I have no idea what you're talking about. ;)
 
LOL. I feel like that @Tim
They play football back there and last time broke some of my stuff, and never bothered to deal with it
 
Tim
9:59 PM
Ugh, that bothers me. Accidents happen, but the fact that kids these days don't care really lowers my faith in humanity, heh.
 
@Tim - Something tells me that kids never cared.
Kids will be kids.
 
Tim
I dunno, I think trying to not get in trouble and just not thinking that you've done anything to care about are two different mindsets...and I think there's been a shift to the latter, but maybe that's just me, heh.
 
@Tim - Maybe.
 
GOing to ask them to please not break my stuff. Wish me luck :-(
 
Tim
Heh, glad to see that people are "grateful" for your efforts @ChrisF...That user sure is whiny. sigh
 
10:09 PM
@Tim LOL. They all blamed the one kid who wasn't here today
 
Tim
How convenient. ;)
 
Promising he was going to fix/pay for what he broke. We'll see!
 
Hello
 
Hey @Chacha
Oh NetBeans, why must thee leak so?
 
10:45 PM
AHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh sweet justice
 
Tim
Hmm?
 
The kids just threw the football way long and hit the house of the President of the Homeowner's Association!
(lives 3 houses down from me)
Now They're getting it
 
Tim
Ouch. :P
 
I was really nice about it. I said I'm OK with them playing as long as they respect my property. He's... not so nice.
(It's a shared common area behind my house)
 
Tim
Heheh
 
10:54 PM
Hi I'm back.
@TheUnhandledException I'm back.
 

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