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12:28 AM
@Wes It's your reputation. If you feel there's still something to learn from it and want some more attention for it, well, that's why we have bounties...
 
 
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2:49 AM
I can hear the crickets...
 
Noisy crickets. shakes head Terrible neighbours.
 
3:41 AM
Noisy crickets just make me think of Men in Black.
 
I just discovered that I need to sharpen my knives.
The way in which I discovered this makes me not want to sharpen my knives.
 
All of that sounds...unpleasant, at best.
 
Tried to push an upside-down knife through some cheese.
Didn't get cut.
 
Mmmmm cheese
 
So, not really unpleasant.
Most knife related injuries are from them being too dull.
 
3:46 AM
My assessment was completely invalid O.O
 
Not from the user being a braindead idiot.
 
@mootinator That makes me feel like I'm probably safe, then.
 
@mootinator Are you sure it's not just that they don't know how to use a knife?
 
Pointy end into food. Got it.
Next time I'll get it right.
@animuson ;)
 
Steam burns are the most effective kitchen burn.
 
3:49 AM
Weird, I got the Vox Populi badge before the Suffrage badge. :|
 
I watched "Groundhog Day" for the first time today. Epic.
 
Watch it again tomorrow!
And the next day!
 
Fascinating...
 
I was wondering why my phone was taking forever to download things... then I realized I still had Wi-Fi off. o.o
 
4:10 AM
I did that the other day |:
After testing some bug on Meta... shakes fist
 
hi Mr. @TimStone. Pleez consider mY reequezt:
Minor suggestion: Change the button text from "Cancel" to "Oh $%^&" (per Ben Brocka's comment) — jadarnel27 36 mins ago
 
:P
 
 
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6:00 AM
42 rep to 20,000 :o What an awesome number
Can I freeze my reputation!?
 
 
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7:23 AM
ok, that's a little worrying. Someone I flagged for spam is now back but posting links indirectly via intermediary Q&A stuff on codeproject.com
 
example?
 
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A: How to read a .pst file using c# code

MSDN001Free solution: http://www.codeproject.com/Questions/285947/How-to-read-mails-from-Outlook-or-PST-Files

already flagged
not sure how deliberate that is as an avoidance tactic though given their other answer
looks like really they want to buy a few ads
 
 
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10:19 AM
hi, I'd have an answer for a closed question, how can I re-open it?
 
@abernier which question? users with > 2k rep can vote to reopen or you can flag it and put something in the "other" box to ask a moderator to reopen it for you
 
If you have 3k+ rep, cast a reopen vote, otherwise flag it for reopening. But only if the question is worth reopening.
 
Should there be a FAQs guiding user on how to review suggested edit?
 
@DanielFischer <1k :/
@DanielFischer but this is the question that can make me famous :p
 
10:25 AM
@abernier I saw meanwhile. So your way would be to flag. But you'd need to make a good case for reopening it. I know not enough about the topic to cast a vote on it.
 
@DanielFischer ok, I've already flag it
 
So wait and see whether it'll be declined or followed.
 
ok, thank you
 
11:02 AM
I notice some tag wiki edit, which plagiarizes content from some source on the Internet, being approved
The beta system makes people aware of the suggested edit queue and has make the queue stay well below 50
But it is quite damaging if people just blindly approve the suggested edits
 
 
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12:55 PM
This action seems... inappropriate.
 
Anonymous
1:42 PM
@jadarnel27 I don't understand why would be preferable to .
 
@jeremybanks Me neither. I like casperOne's follow-up comment.
 
2:08 PM
Hi folks.
Why does Stack Overflow not have the "library" tag?
 
@Moshe Twas deleted, per the "Great tag / question cleanup of 2012".
 
@Moshe what is "library"?
do you mean "json-library"?
Do you mean objective-c-library?
how is babby form?
 
@Moshe Deletion of the "library" tag was discussed extensively in this meta question. Turns out it's actually pretty useless, as far as tags go =)
 
I hate to point this out, but I will, because once upon a time I was young. And I can't slap him with a herring from here. I mean, I could, but the trajectory math ... and he would move ... So, I would rather not build a herring cannon and hope he didn't move ...
Moshe, quit talking for two seconds and THINK man, good lord. What does the tag-wiki for library look like? You are smarter than you let your mouth (hands) prove you. Slow down and quit being so impatient with a keyboard. You will be the better man for it.
 
I bet no one has ever told you that you have a rather abrasive way of interacting with people @jcolebrand.
 
2:20 PM
@jadarnel27 you would be wrong
I bet you're under the age of 25 and have never not had the internet
 
@jcolebrand That makes sense, now that you mention it.
@jcolebrand Both incorrect, but probably close enough for whatever stereotype you're applying based on that criteria =)
 
Are there any SO mods around?
 
@jadarnel27 that you've always had google to ask questions of
@bluefeet what is your question this morning sir.
@jadarnel27 what makes sense, now that I mention it?
 
@jcolebrand That I would be wrong about no one ever calling you abrasive.
 
@jcolebrand So I called out a user for directly copying one of my answers and as a result they suggested an edit on one of my answer - which was rejected
but the comment was ridiculous as to why they wanted the edit
it was totally for retribution for saying they copied my answer. I wasn't sure if I should post a question on meta about how to handle or what
 
2:40 PM
Ah well, I asked about the library tag, because I thought it would have worked this morning, but I suppose not.
There's still a "libraries" tag floating around. Out of curiosity, why is that one still alive?
 
@bluefeet Ignore it - no actual damage was done, and you'll always find petty idiots on the internet. If you're concerned about the plagiarized answer, flag the post for moderators.
 
@TimYiJiang I understand that but seriously this person has a problem.
 
@Moshe It probably just got overlooked. "Libraries" is certainly no better than "library".
 
If it annoys you that that edit exists, perhaps make a userscript to hide/change the edit.
 
@bluefeet Is it just one edit or many over a short period of time? Is the copying systematic (ie. most of his posts are copied from elsewhere)? Is there serial / revenge downvoting?
If the answer to all of the above is no, then you don't need to be worried
 
2:46 PM
@bluefeet this is why they are suggested edits, and can be reviewed (and rejected if need be) As TimYiJiang said, ignore and move on :D
@Moshe because it takes time to get rid of them?
 
@jcolebrand you are right, I just needed to vent
 
@Moshe what is the tag-wiki for ? I mean, in your head.
 
@jcolebrand A modular collection of functions that provides specific functionality.
But yes, very generic.
 
@Moshe Which platform did target again?
I'm just trying to nail that one down. I mean, that's totally the tag for right?
Oh wait, no that's
I can do that all day long, of course
for javascript, you must mean or or ... (actually, I bet it's prototype-js, but whatever)
 
3:55 PM
My ability to still not have the sportsmanship tag on SO astounds me.
Clearly pertains to problems specific to implementing software to facilitate the temporary loaning of books and administering late return charges.
 
4:16 PM
@mootinator which one is that?
@mootinator I thought that was Libraries and Information Science ?
oh snap, I thought I was gonna make a funny >.>
 
4:44 PM
was also used to ask for suggestion on library
And suggestion kind of questions are not really welcomed nowadays
 
I think that was one of the biggest problems with it; it was a magnet for bad, subjective questions (like library recommendations). Although I agree with @jcolebrand that it was also far too vague / ambiguous as well.
 
Once again, I hear those infamous words "Cole was right"
;-)
 
Hahaha
Just to be clear, I never disagreed with your position on the matter. Just your presentation.
 
As I mentioned, the use of limp herrings is non-optimal in this situation ;-)
 
Certainly. But I think the use of explanation without condescension is more optimal still.
But that's just me. Everyone has their own voice for a reason.
 
5:08 PM
Yup, and that's why I try and bite my tongue on a regular basis, but Moshe was running for mod. He needs to understand topics like this before he gets a diamond.
1-rep users I would've guided much more gently.
Mod-candidates should already realize the futility of that. They also shouldn't mass retag untagged questions tho >.>
Still can't believe casperOne didn't think that through for like five seconds before doing it
 
Yup, that was quite a slip up haha.
@jcolebrand That makes a lot of sense, actually. He should know better =)
 
;-) People think I don't have a reason for doing stuff and that I just pop off at the mouth. The more they listen to me, the more they realize I rarely do something that I don't fully understand what I'm doing, and when I don't know I make sure everyone knows.
 
Oh, there's that jco, popping off at the mouth again
 
When I wired my parent's house, I needed help with something, and built an entire test harness in the living room floor so that I could demonstrate. I went to ask my dad for help, he thought I was screwing something up and wouldn't listen, we had a nice falling out before I left for 20 minutes and then we reconciled when he realized I had a plan
That's played out here and there with lots of people, but they all come to realize I think things through and have reasons for the way I behave. I've been a teacher, a bully, a strategist and an advocate, depending on what I'm doing, and always persuasive.
But enough selling you on it, you've already realized I was right ;-)
 
I still don't really see how "I know what I'm doing" and "I am correct about this" are good reasons to be rude to people. But I have been accused of being "too nice" or "too sensitive" before.
For instance, that entire long, rant-y explanation came across as incredibly condescending and arrogant =/
But this is the Internet, so I can't tell if you actually are that arrogant, or if you're just being sarcastic, or making your point, or something else entirely.
 
5:19 PM
Merely making my point
I'm incredibly humble when it comes to most things, underselling myself on almost all points in person
But once I get my soapbox, I'm extremely arrogant, but that's because most people don't connect the dots. They are either too lazy, too ignorant/uneducated, or too apathetic.
Also, Poe's Law
Also: a bit of hazing for people I care about, because once you know that I value you, and then on occasion I'm really mean to you, you tend to re-evaluate yourself.
Psychology is an amazing thing. The way we perceive and evaluate value statements, and apply them.
Joel Spolsky on July 20, 2012

It’s summer here at StackHQ. Have a flower!

You’re welcome. Now on to some serious work. Can we talk about cultural anthropology for a minute? I’d like to talk about what happens when a community (online or off) gets to be about… oh, three or four years old.

Every community starts out needing to recruit members, so they tend to be very friendly to newcomers.

After a few years, an insider group of old-timers forms. They get to know each other. They know the rules. They know the history and the legends of the community. And it’s only natural to get little bit irritated when newbies show up who don’t know the rules. …

Worth a read if you guys haven't yet
 
The @jcolebrand Subtext of the day: You can take off the kid gloves for 10k+ users.
 
@mootinator oh absolutely
I didn't think I was subtexting that, I thought I was saying it outright
"You run for mod, and ask a dumbshot question that deserves ridicule, I will ridicule you, especially if I like you"
Same goes for retagging all untagged questions to language-agnostic
 
Time to make a meta post complaining that people aren't upvoting my posts enough and/or fast enough.
I think that will go over well and definitely is not a dupe
 
Except I would be prepared for downvotes. Lots of downvotes.
I should post a Meta Stack Overflow Q about where to acquire the freshest limp herring for slapping people across the internet. Surely I'm not the only one.
 
Unless I blame rchern and supply freehand circled evidence.
 
Then it will be a net win, even if the score is negative.
 
@mootinator You should probably add in there something about requiring comments when people downvote you.
 
I meant downvotes not on Meta
 
heh
I should post a link to every one of my zero score posts. "These uber high quality answeres were not upvoted enough. What gives?"
There's only 65 of those.
I'm sure it would fit in the character limit.
 
That's too many for me to serial upvote in one day without having to tediously log in to one of my sockpuppets. Sorry.
I could knock you down to 35 =P
 
5:44 PM
ha
 
6:51 PM
:o I'm a trusted meta user
I'd say that sounds like a drug, but Meta is a drug.
 
I love when people want to argue that the US Govt had no developmental interests in ensuring that the internet was built, and that the US Govt has not put any developmental money into buildout on the internet at large.
And the only reason for the qualifier (as I pointed out) was because we are discussing the microcosm of the US and internet, and not the world wit large
 
@jcolebrand That post of yours. You didn't write that.
 
@mootinator I know, it was totally done by commercial interests
 
@jcolebrand I see what you did there.
 
@mootinator now pay me for that leisure
 
7:09 PM
See, something like this is what I was thinking of when I was looking for "wireless earbud-style headphones". But those are $500.00. Gross.
 
@jadarnel27 They changed the price because they knew you were looking for. They're normally $100 :P
 
for a wireless in-ear earbud, yeah, I can imagine. That's some tiny super-technology.
 
@animuson That was very inconsiderate of them!
The whole thing seems sketchy, though. No reviews, sold out, $500 price tag, and I can't find them elsewhere on the tubez (like Amazon).
 
8:00 PM
Who's with me?
Note: I think @BilltheLizard should definitely change his display name to "Bill the Wizard" =P — jadarnel27 25 mins ago
 
8:12 PM
@jadarnel27 I just want over the ear wireless headphones, and even those seem to be hard to come by :(
Two more elections? :O
 
It's like we're going to have elections all the time ...
 
There have been quite a few recently.
Hmm, Town Halls haven't been scheduled for Webmasters or EE yet apparently.
 
VOTE FOR MEEE EEE E E EEEE EEE
 
@TimStone Headphones seem to be generally difficult to search for.
FUCK headphones!
 
I still need to take mine to get fixed. Too bad I'm terribly lazy.
 
8:31 PM
@TimStone Those must be some decent headphones, if they are worth getting fixed.
(as opposed to just buying a new pair)
Note: I've never paid more then $15-$20 for headphones
 
They're just some Bose headphones, but they said that I could replace the padding pieces for pretty cheap, or maybe qualify to upgrade to a new pair for a discounted price.
I got these as a gift, so :P
 
Oh, cool. Totally worth it, then =)
 
I upgraded for like $90 after getting mine for a gift, I suggest upgrading
 
Speaking of things that need fixing, I should really get my car's front, driver's side seat belt fixed.
 
That uh...might be a good idea, yeah
 
8:36 PM
It's just the buckle on that side that's broken, so I've been plugging the seat belt into the passenger side one. Which works, but is inconvenient.
And If I have passengers, they have to ride in the back seat. Which usually leads to them calling me "Jeeves" for the rest of the day.
 
@jadarnel27 isn't that illegal?
 
@Flexo It's definitely illegal to drive without a seat belt on. I'm not sure about the legality of my workaround.
 
In the UK it's not illegal to not wear seatbelts if they're fitted
but it's not a requirement to have them retrofitted to classic cars I think
(and the car is un-roadworthy if they don't work)
 
Considering my driver's license expired a few weeks ago, I'm not exactly in good standing anyway =P
 
Spicy Chicken McBites!
 
8:48 PM
@Flexo I didn't know that, that's interesting. I think there's something about old cars not needing to be retro-fitted here in the US as well.
 
now I'm curious who the unblockable troll all the ELU mods have been mentioning is...
 
nope, that's someone else
 
How does zero meta participation and zero helpful flags even qualify you to run?
 
It's a vote for the people!
Who cares about stats?
 
8:55 PM
on a low traffic site it's conceivable someone might be running on the strength of chat alone or similar
 
@balpha He might have more luck running on Writers if it ever escapes from beta, I hear they appreciate fantasy.
 
@balpha: I just received the Caucus badge for EL&U, but I most certainly do not have enough reputation to vote...
It says you need 300... I have 160
I do not see any voting arrows either. o.o
 
nobody does
we're in nomination
 
It's not time to vote yet
 
Oh right, for some reason I thought nominations still let you cast random votes.
 
8:58 PM
First we let people go "ooh ooooh, pick me pick me!!!" then once we have left enough time for that, then we move on to "ok, now for real, pick me!!!"
 
@animuson You need 300 reputation to nominate, but only 150 to vote.
 
but that's fine, you're interested in the election, so you get a badge
 
Woot, another badge awarded.
gamification at its finest
 
I'm racking up the badges on all the other sites I've got minor participation at
 
@balpha I have no problem with this behavior, but you should update the badge description if you're going to make it official (right now it says that one of the requirements is "have enough reputation to cast a vote").
 
9:02 PM
sigh
 
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Q: Reputation requirements compared

badpYes, there are questions here! Some you can even answer! Scroll down. Alternatively, see reputation tables for Stack Overflow, Server Fault, Super User, a launched SE 2.0 site, a public beta site. And Meta Stack Overflow, Meta Server Fault, a launched SE 2.0 meta site, a public beta meta. Mai...

 
@PopularDemand oh, you're right
@animuson @PopularDemand no, all good -- you need 150 to vote
and @animuson has 160
ignore what I said here
7 mins ago, by balpha
but that's fine, you're interested in the election, so you get a badge
I just don't know what I'm talking about
 
I want a badge
But I'm too lazy go to an election site.
What should I do?
 
@balpha Alrighty.
 
@PopularDemand That's what you get for believing someone who has access to the source code over me. shakes head
 
9:10 PM
Begging your pardon, @Tim, but you never said anything about or in response to the message I was replying to.
 
I did, precognitively:
11 mins ago, by Tim Stone
@animuson You need 300 reputation to nominate, but only 150 to vote.
 
No, I was replying to the one balpha said that he later retracted.
 
Now I'm just confused, so I'll just continue staring blankly at the screen.
 
@TimStone That's what I've been doing all day!
 
Here, balpha said that the Caucus badge has nothing to do with reputation, and that it only depends on interest in the election (as determined by "visited the election page").
I replied that there was a discrepancy between that statement and the badge description, and suggested that they update the description to reflect the statement. I never said anything about reputation.
However, balpha misspoke, so there is no bug or issue, and we have spent far too many words already on trying to clarify.
 
9:15 PM
I am never wrong. If I give a wrong answer sometimes and later correct myself, that's just a caching issue.
4
 
Right, he was trying to clarify how @animuson could have gotten the badge without enough reputation to vote, and I was saying @animuson got the badge because he did in fact have enough reputation.
But anyway. :P
 
I'm setting this conversation to closed - stopped caring on my end.
 
I need 1.8k rep to pass Tim Stone... Hmmmm...
 
If you do, I take no responsibility if the world ends.
 
@PopularDemand Does the painting still get signed by Jeff since he no longer "works there"? Shog's signature would be an acceptable replacement. Just keep it away from @Rebecca, I don't want her spying on me while I'm sleeping. O.O
@TimStone It's fully your responsibility, for not trying hard enough to stay ahead of me. :P
 
9:24 PM
@animuson you'd never know! mwuahahahahaha
 
@animuson I was hoping to cash in on @jadarnel27's feature request, but while people seemed to be in favour of the request, they somehow were not as compelled by the fact it was implemented. :P
 
9:40 PM
@balpha I feel like I'm losing love man
Am I just losing my mind that I filed a chat bug report?
 
Oh yeah...
I didn't really understand what the issue was, so I forgot to verify for you :P
 
When I block a user, the height makes the following row have a 16px gap
 
stop blocking users
PROBLEM SOLVED
 
lulz
Sometimes there are personalities in the TL with whom I do not well engage
 
8
Q: Small avatars for ignored chat users break chat's "people in room" display

Popular DemandIn chat, the avatars of active and inactive users in each room are displayed in rows at the top right of the window. When users are ignored, their avatars get shrunk to 1/4 size, providing an easy indication that they're present, but, you know, not really. (This is a great design, by the way. +1 ...

So, probably a won't-fix. And I can't remember the last time Won't actually implemented any of the things on his to-do list.
Oh, here we go, the actual report:
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Q: Small avatars for ignored chat users break chat's "people in room" display differently

Nick TWhile ignored users' avatars no longer stack, they still knock the second row down so there's a gap: It doesn't seem to be tied to being at the end of the row as the previous post mentions, but whatever row it's in it adds that gap (on Chrome 17.0.963.56 m at least).

 
9:51 PM
@PopularDemand well foo
I mean, I even gave a complete fix (in my opinion)
 
raises brow at most recent Meta post
 
I think he is suggesting removing the line, I thought I put a different solution. I recall there are two or three solutions that fit neatly
Oh, no, I didn't
haha, well, I can :p
 
@TimStone Thanks, now I understand the meaning of
We kinda had to change your username a bit. Maybe you could pick something else that doesn't attract quite so many flags/comments. Cheers. — Kev yesterday
 
Ah, yeah... sighs
 
9:58 PM
What did I miss?
 
-2
Q: How can I turn off Stack Overflow's keyboard shortcuts?

Titsy FakeSince Hugo Chavez and the ## Heading ## the KGB.. have decided to mess up my account.. I had no option but to open another one.. ...and start another thread.. My apologies, gentlemen.. ## -1 down vote favorite How can I turn off Stack Overflow's keyboard shortcuts? It's almost impossible to ...

 
10:12 PM
weird, that looks like a repost of a crazy question earlier today
now with more added crazy
-2
Q: Turn off keyboard shortcuts on Stack Overflow

user191280How can I turn off Stack Overflow's keyboard shortcuts? It's almost impossible to enter any text without some stuff popping up. I don't need any fancy formatting, period!

 
10:34 PM
@Shog9 I just want to say that I've been reading your comments on the Kicking off the Summer of Love blog post and I want to thank you for being a breath of fresh air amid the other comments posted. What you said made sense and addressed issues without ever being rude. Keep it up! :)
 
@Kalamane this is why he's pretty much the guy we turn to for advice on how to run the community :D
> There are people who don’t need your help. There are people who can’t use your help. And there are people who both need, and have the ability to benefit from your assistance. Focusing your efforts sincerely and wholeheartedly on this last group is the only way to avoid bitter disappointment.
 
I like the word "triage" -- greatly descriptive. I signed up and asked some questions, posted some answers, never had any troubles at all. In fact, I didn't run in to snark at all till I ventured into the javascript chat, and not again until I came to Meta
I found my experience perfect, wouldn't have changed anything. I am likely to live whether I receive care or not, keep your gauze pads for the next guy.
 
I did well as well, but then again, I did get here early on
 
To be 100% crystal clear:

Total civility is required on Stack Exchange, one hundred percent of the time. It is not optional. Ever. EVER!

If you are rude to other users, the offending content will be removed. Do it enough and YOU will be removed. With extreme prejudice. We’ve done it before and we will do it again.
I hope he doesn't look at the javascript chatroom :p
 
10:55 PM
@Kalamane Thanks man
 
I hope he doesn't look at my chat entries :p
 

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