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12:00 AM
PHP doesn't write stupid code. People write stupid code
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Says the National PHP Association
So it must be true.
 
I just got burned by: time() > $stat['mtime'] + 20
It made me grumpy.
 
I see
 
Why would those be in the same timezones.
That would be too easy.
 
That's arguably the underlying Unix function's fault, though
(If "mtime" comes from filemtime())
 
shhh :P
 
12:02 AM
:)
But hey, saying "PHP is stupid" is never wrong.
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And I say that as someone who does most of his stuff in that language
... coz that's where the CMSes and the Wordpresses be, man
 
I have a love hate relationship with it
 
I know what you mean
I'm very interested to see whether Jeff's ambitious plans (changing the web hosting scene away from the PHP monopoly to offering other languages as well through Discourse.org) really work out
 
I want more free IIS hosting.
 
Cheap IIS hosting would be cool
... but I'm not complaining too much about PHP. It's helped me earn my living for many years (and still does alongside Uni), and I'm grateful for that.
 
Yeah, free was a little of an unrealistic thing to say.
 
12:16 AM
Gah! Yahoo Mail needs to quit redesigning their mail client every 3 weeks.
 
 
6 hours later…
user206222
6:16 AM
So. Who's Pops?
 
A secret NSA agent sent to spy on all of us.
"community manager" is code for that, I think.
 
user206222
It's a new nickname for someone.
 
user206222
I can't figure out whose it is, though.
 
You could probably guess from the avatar.
Unless you're on SO, in which case...
I wonder if this works...
Oct 12 '10 at 20:54, by The Unhandled Exception
 
user206222
I actively ignore avatars, so...
 
6:22 AM
Fun.
 
user206222
That makes sense. I didn't realize PD had become a community manager.
 
Ugh I haven't been able to concentrate on anything today. I'm going to just give up and go to bed.
 
Fantastic idea!
BED
 
 
1 hour later…
7:36 AM
@Pops Congratulations.
 
 
3 hours later…
Lix
10:20 AM
Hi folks, quick question about private betas - Is it not possible to edit the "about me" for a meta user in a private beta? I'm able to edit it for the main site's user, but my meta user is still defaulting to my Stack Overflow "about me" section...
 
@Lix the meta "about me" is never editable on child metas; it's synced from the main site (once per our, I think)
I can sync yours, one second
oh, you'll have to tell me the site though :)
 
Lix
@bal - that would be great :) It's the brand-spanking-new pets.SE
Thanks!
 
the main "about me" is the SO one as well
 
Lix
Oh... right... so then never mind - I'll re-edit it and just wait for it to sync...
thanks in any case though!
If the meta is synced to the main then in any case I won't be able to do my linking games between them :(
 
just ping me -- it's literally four mouse clicks for me
 
Lix
10:30 AM
cool beans... thanks :)
@bal - ready for sync :)
 
lol
you have been sunk
 
Lix
sanks alot :)
 
10:50 AM
2 days ago, by Kumar
@animuson @JohannesKuhn Thanks guys.
I had been serial upvoted once by two guys once. Also I got notified for that.
this happened a long ago.But Now it's reverted back. (i.e -374 reputation) .
2 days ago, by Kumar
Now a serial down vote is happening to me.
@balpha Heya! Can get help here ?
 
@Kumar what kind of help are you hoping for?
 
Still someone keeps doing -ve upvotes daily.
@Oded
 
yeah, someone doesn't like you there
I'll handle it
 
Thanks @balpha :) You know I have asked for same thing 2 days ago. Even @animuson helped me by sending my issue to community manager, still I am getting -ve upvotes.
 
11:22 AM
@Oded @balpha Thanks guys for your support. Cya. :) :)
 
We call those "-ve upvotes" downvotes, FYI. ;)
 
hehe. I'll keep it in mind. Thanks :P @Bart
 
Though, I am surprised the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki would care so much.
 
Yes He would. I think He is not available here in SO. He might be available in hidden village. :P
 
11:38 AM
@Kumar - you may be interested in the Anime & Manga Stack Exchange
 
Lix
@bal - out of curiosity: where did you find my twitter handle? I don't remember posting it anywhere :S
 
I recognized you when you followed me
 
Lix
ohh... that's right... now I remember - your tweet of my cake was what brought me to twitter in the first place...
 
yep
 
@Oded I am. Thanks. :D
 
12:01 PM
-ve upvotes?
ahh, nagative upvotes.
 
nagative upvotes? :p
 
nag
spelling mistake.
 
12:18 PM
I really don't understand what's going on? Again down votes. Who is doing this to me ?
@balpha @Oded
 
what are you talking about? You didn't get any new downvotes
 
when I cam here I was having 707 rep, but now it's 695
@balpha
 
@Kumar When I came here, I had 1 reputation.
(With here I mean SE)
 
Lix
@kum - you can see your reputation changes in your profile. -10 for reversal of serial upvoting and another -2 for a downvote... stackoverflow.com/users/1944896/kumar-gaurav?tab=reputation
 
@Kumar Yes, because I not only invalidate the serial downvotes you got, but also the serial upvotes you conveniently forgot to mention.
 
12:25 PM
@kum actually -30 for serial upvoting reversed, +20 for serial downvoting reversed.
 
@balpha Ohh! Okay thanks. And did you tell that user to stop not liking me ?
@Lix @JohannesKuhn I understood now. Thanks Mods. :)
 
I'm not a mod.
 
Lix
@kum - the users with the blue usernames on the left in chat, or the users with a diamond ♦ are the mods. The rest of us are just "normal" users...
 
Well .... "normal" .....
 
Lix
@bar - yes... the quotes were intentional :P
 
12:28 PM
@Lix Ohh! I see. I got it.
 
Lix
 
How can a user be a Mod ?
hehe
 
Lix
@kum there is a process of elections that happen every-so-often... there are lots of posts about it on meta...
 
It's more clear now. :P
 
Lix
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Q: Who are the diamond moderators, and what is their role?

Brad MaceSome people have a diamond after their username (ex: Jeff Atwood♦) What special privileges do diamond moderators have? How can I become a diamond moderator? Who are the diamond moderators? How many are there? For more information, see Who are the site moderators, and what is their role h...

That post contains details of the election process..
 
12:30 PM
Okay! I'll look into it. Thanks. BTW Lix is short and very nice name.
:)
 
Lix
lol - thanks :P
 
Mine is a little long :P
 
Lix
In anycase you only need to use 3 characters to make sure the user gets a notification about the message (in here and also in comments) @kum
 
and again a discussion:
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Q: Prevent Suggested Edits on <pre></pre> Code Blocks

jmacFor whatever reason, it would appear that users with under 2000 rep are strongly discouraged from making suggested edits to code blocks even in answers: Suggested Edit rejected because reviewers didn't know programming language Why was my code edit rejected? Why was my suggested edit rejected r...

 
@Lix I learnt I learnt believe it. :D :D You're genius.
 
Lix
12:44 PM
(* blush *)
I'm just an average Stack Overflow addict :P
 
I can see that. what you do except your addiction ?
 
Lix
I'm a programmer (big surprise right? ;)
 
OMG! Yes. It is. I hope you're programming logic also follows short tricks ?
How you manage programming as well as your addiction :P
 
Lix
Hehe... where it's possible and as long as it doesn't compromise readability :)
The truth is that It's hard sometimes to tell them apart....
I sit at work and do the same thing I would do if I was at home in my spare time :)
 
Very concious person you're, timing matters for ya ;)
You know I am a baby professional..just 9 months of exp and I am Tl in my company
:P
 
Lix
12:58 PM
What is TI?
 
Sorry It's TL(Team Leader) :P
 
Lix
ahhh :) hehe... well done!
 
Thanks. BUt I am just a baby. :) as you can see my exp.
:P
what's that text area on your prof,saying to leave a comment(on what o-O?)...?
@Lix
 
Lix
hahaha... another one bites the dust ;)
It's just a GIF :)
 
Ohh! You fooled me and I think there must be so many.
before me
 
Lix
1:12 PM
Mission accomplished :)
 
hehe
Nicely done
I'll put one too ;)
May I use your gif image, Pleaseeee ^-^ @Lix
LOL!! Don't be serious. I was just kidding. I am not going to use your gif. :D :D
 
Lix
@kum - I don't mind :)
 
1:30 PM
@Oded why delete that answer? Seems to answer the question ...
 
@Lix You're a good person. :D
 
@Bart - Not sure it is, with the discussion in the comments
 
Meh, like I said, could have gone for an "unclear" as well. But it's a bit of a moot point.
 
@Lix @Oded @JohannesKuhn @Bart @balpha Bubye guys. Cya tomorrow. Thanks :) :)
 
mass-hl ftw
 
1:35 PM
??
 
Lix
@kum - bye bye!
 
@Kum - bye
 
cya
 
@kum cya
 
2:06 PM
ARGHBLAAAAAAHHRRGHHHH .... it had to be said ....
 
As usual, @Bart , you are so eloquent.
 
And it beats physically punching my monitor.
 
Has you monitor been a bad little monitor?
 
Oh no, but I suck so terribly today that something is going to get it. And it's either the monitor or our motion capture equipment.... and I can afford a monitor.
 
Time to setup a punching bag next to your chair?
Not that I am volunteering
 
2:13 PM
The secretary is looking surprisingly nervous all of a sudden
Myeah, I think my week off next week is not coming too early.
 
It irritates me when people just link to the /help on SO when closing / downvoting questions. It seems sort of...insincerely helpful.
(rather than linking to a specific page, I mean)
 
RTFM
And no, we are not telling you which section of the FM
 
ALL OF IT! READ IT!
 
Hahaha, exactly.
In related news, could I get some more flags on this snarky comment here?
I looked at that guy's comment history, and it's weird. He's super helpful and polite 90% of the time, and then a jackass the other 10% it seems.
 
Done ... this @jadarnel27 fellow has to stop that nonsense
 
2:19 PM
Comment? What comment?
 
@Bart hey! I...that's not what I meant.
@Oded Haha, well done.
And thanks =)
I should have thrown in a "run away from VB.NET as fast as you can", but I didn't want to confuse the issue any more.
Going anywhere fun during your week off, @Bart? Or just chilling?
 
Just chilling I guess. Bit of a last minute decision. Maybe go see Switzerland for once. Have been living here since 2006 but have barely seen a thing.
 
Oh wow. Yeah, you should go be a tourist! That's fun to do sometimes.
 
Yep. :) And nothing more touristy than me dragging my cameras along.
 
Haha, indeed. Are you a photographer then?
 
2:31 PM
Hobby, yep. Nothing serious though
 
Occasionally I walk around downtown here and look at the tall buildings. Because being around them everyday doesn't make them less impressive.
I probably look like a total tourist.
Except I'm wearing a tie. So probably I like more like someone here on business travel.
 
Hehe, I guess I'm suffering a bit from "inhabitant syndrome". People who visit me usually inform me about all the cool stuff there is here. I'm pretty much just living here.
Btw, if you're interested: flickr.com/photos/bkevelham
 
That spider would scare the bejeeezus out of me
 
Pretty damn awesome statue. Seems to travel around the world. It's a shame it's no longer there.
 
Lix
@bar - really beautiful images there!
 
2:36 PM
Thanks @Lix
 
yeah, 2 review in a row. again.
yesterday (I think) I had the same review audit twice in a row. no other review in between.
 
Audits so nice, that they issue them twice.
We are experiencing a brief outage on http://stackexchange.com due to a bad build. The site will be back online soon! Sorry #stackexchange!
... who to blame ....
Ah, the SO dev team apparently... the wheel never lies.
 
2:55 PM
No comment
 
Does that bad build have anything to do with why I can't log in to chat on dba.se?
 
@Bart I will have to check out those photos on a screen larger than my phone's later, but I think you undersold yourself a little with "nothing serious though". Those are nice photos =)
You must have a pretty sweet camera.
And also some relatively mad skills.
I'm pretty good with a bō staff.
 
Chat/help says I don't have local storage enabled (but I do, I promise).
 
Not to bōast, or anything.
@mikeTheLiar I imagine chat.SE is affected, since it's a subdomain. But who knows.
Meta is isolated, which is why we are safe here.
Safe from the slings and arrows and all that.
 
In the sleep of unplanned outages what questions may come.
 
3:18 PM
Haha, well played.
 
3:31 PM
That is not the date you think it is.
 
3:45 PM
10-10-10 Three of a kind! I'm going all in!
 
user215114
4:16 PM
@YiJiang jsfiddle.net/AYPpF/82/embedded/result About this: I think that Community should also be on this wheel.
 
> Comment: grammar and clairty
Ohhh, a Populist badge. I forgot that badge existed.
 
I downvoted a feature-request because it didn't seem like a good feature. I wanted to point the OP to a meta post explaining feature request voting. I tried searching for "feature request voting" and "feature request downvoting" but could not find a meta post explaining the .. "understood?", or "consensus" view of voting on feature requests. Is there a post like that out there? Can it be added to the feature-request tag wiki?
Was my downvote invalid (it was here: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/200271/… )?
 
4:32 PM
@TravisJ I've posted something similar, but it's not directly related to feature-requests. More any question on Meta: meta.stackoverflow.com/a/146057
 
@animuson - I have followed many of the evolving discussion voting posts (especially one by Robert Harvery recently), but as far as the feature-request specifically I guess I haven't seen many of them. Am I incorrect to vote like that? I had upvoted when it was a discussion because it seemed to make sense to discuss the potential as opposed to flat out requesting it be implemented.
 
@TravisJ You can vote how you want. They're your votes. We just sometimes get tired of people spouting the basic "Votes on Meta represent disagreement." as a way of getting out of actually explaining anything why a post is getting downvoted. You've explained that you personally disagree with the request. So there's no problem.
 
Okay, thanks for the clarification :)
 
@JohannesKuhn Thank you!
 
4:55 PM
@jadarnel27 Thanks. :)
 
What is this, Thanksgiving?
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turkey burp
 
5:10 PM
Anyone know offhand of a poorly received Jon Skeet answer?
I could go search, but you know...
 
I mean....no positive score!
 
@animuson With the power vested in me by Joel Spolsky, I hereby declare today Thanksgiving.
 
You people... Thanksgiving is Monday. ducks
 
Ducks on Thanksgiving? ..... shakes head
 
Shakes head on Thanksgiving? ..... does it wrong
 
5:25 PM
@Pops Are you winning at being a Stack Exchange employee yet?
 
Oh, @jadarnel27. Being a Stack Exchange employee is winning.
 
Haha, excellent.
I need to get in on that, then.
 
Actually, there's a lot to pick up. But... I'm not fired, yet, so... that's something.
 
They could hire you as a Senior something-or-other @jadarnel27
 
How do you get fired from Stack Exchange? The devs break things all the time and you still see them working there. ;P
 
5:27 PM
@Pops That's a good indication that you are not doing irreparably poorly. So...well done, you!
@Bart That would be some serious Karma. Or at least some sarcastic Karma.
 
@animuson You know they can see what goes on in this room, right? Get ready to have your diamond revoked.
 
What is my job title?
 
they *fix* things all the time too.
1. break things
2. fix things
3. get tons-a-rep
 
@Pops, this all reminded me that Joel needs to talk to you ASAP. Bring all your stuff. Especially the empolyee/mod-only diamond hat. Thanks.
 
What did Pops invite all the devs in here?
 
5:31 PM
The devs are here! Run for the hills!
 
wait, there are other devs here?
 
@Jaydles I thought we didn't tell people about that hat.
 
@Pops, you're thinking of fight club.
 
@Sklivvz Don't tell them.
 
We deliberately tell people about the hat, so they understand that mods can have something they can't.
 
5:33 PM
Are the devs all done breaking stackexchange.com, then?
 
Well, yes, they are also all done fixing it ;-)
 
Haha.
 
Actually David Fullerton did his MONTHLY check in as well
 
@jadarnel27 I saw that. You're never getting hired now. No tolerance for error these guys.
 
I remember when my manager always tried to scare me before evaluations by telling me management needed to talk to me upstairs. One time I tried to force myself to start crying so I could prank them but I'm apparently not capable of making myself cry. :/
 
5:34 PM
Which may, or may not, be related to the outage
 
Well, tolerance for site breaking, but not erroneous spaces in chat messages.
 
@TCPMAN Darn it! My plan has been foibled.
Yeah, that's right.
 
I feel like I should say something about petards.
 
That's not very PC.
I'm offended.
 
Is that because you da bomb?
 
5:37 PM
Oh great, now the NSA is watching our conversation too...
 
I'm the Bomb dot com.
drops mic
 
drops bass
 
watches the mic shatter
 
wah wah wah wah chicka chicka dzzz dzzz dzzz dzzz dzzzz bowwwww
 
has been known to let the beat...drrrrop
 
5:38 PM
That was clearly wrong the first time.
 
You're right. It needed more dubstep-ness. Which I think you delivered.
 
@Jaydles Yeah. Like I said. Moderating.
 
First rule of moderating: don't talk about moderating?
 
Don't forget the "no shirt, no shoes" rule.
 
I'm not allowed to moderate without a shirt and shoes?
 
5:41 PM
I guess it's good you guys do that from home.
 
If this is your first time moderating, you HAVE to unilaterally delete a historically important question.
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@animuson The lack of shirt and shoes is what's required in Fight Club.
(that phrasing was awkward)
 
FightClub.precondition(!Me.Shirt AndAlso !Me.Shoes);
I think that was clearer.
Ugh, I write VB.NET pseudocode now.
Shoot me.
Except with semicolons apparently.
 
@TCPMAN.EXE one for every site you moderate? wow I'll be here all day
 
Heh.
 
5:47 PM
you want opinions, so here's mine: WP is a steaming pile of poo. just because it's popular doesn't mean it's good. — Marc B 10 mins ago
 
That steaming pile of poo is going to make me obsolete. Someone who understands precisely zero about software development told me so.
 
You should probably be very worried, then.
 
Well really, who needs software devs when anyone can just set up a blog and install a theme in under 5 minutes.
I can't think of any other purpose for these glorified calculators.
 
They can calculate things? I thought they were just really fast typists.
 
They have to calculate some things. Like where the server for my blog is.
 
5:59 PM
A few of my computer science professors did not type using the standard "home row keys" configuration.
I don't either.
I'm terrible at typing.
 
aoeu
 
Is that French?
 
aoeuidhtns
I remember the home row of Dvorak layout even though I never actually learned to use it properly.
 
6:17 PM
I like to think that I do more thinking than typing, so it's okay that my typing speed isn't all that great.
But I should probably work on it anyway.
 
I feel like I should finish learning Python.
 
My typing speed is brilliant. Accuracy hweowever leavse to b edsiredss
 
Bart has been drinking again.
 
Why you little!!!
 
Hey tshere handsomeshhhhquiet quiet....it izsour song
 
6:38 PM
raises brow
 
 
1 hour later…
8:00 PM
@jadarnel27 You forgot the "n"
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8:46 PM
Code of the daaaay:
            If IsNothing(oEmployeeEntity) Then
                Return Nothing
            End If

            Return oEmployeeEntity
2
 
nop nop nop
 
 
2 hours later…
10:41 PM
@TCPMAN.EXE LOL
raises brown
I feel dirty now.
You all should too.
 

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