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12:07 AM
@Fosco For some reason this article reminded me of you jasonevanish.com/2013/01/17/… :P
 
Hehe.. you're #3 to bring that article to my attention.
I was glad it wasn't bad, and is informative instead.
 
Heheh. Not sure why it came to my attention.
Here's something from Facebook that won't be a repeat:
> Just saw that the bottle of white glue on the counter says that it's "ideal for children."

Uhhhh, shouldn't you take them to the doctor instead of trying to glue them back together yourself?
Oh hey, I messed up a quote, that's unusual.
 
lol
 
1:14 AM
103
Q: The Stack Overflow Conspiracy - don't tell Jeff I'm on to him

The roofJudging from the fact that there's been a lot of talk of venture capital being pumped into Stack Overflow lately, something hasn't been sitting well with me at all. Then I got to thinking. Ever think about Jeff's user ID? It's 1. Seems innocuous, right? Like maybe he was the first user or someth...

 
Is there a reason you randomly brought that question up here?
 
yesterday, by CC Inc
146
Q: About your f***ing website

Jeff AtwoodPresented for your enjoyment-slash-amusement. Email received by team@stackoverflow.com from Name Jesus Christ Almighty, what a f***ing mess of a website. I'm trying to post a question. Just the one, you know, f***ing question. So I sign up for an ID and I'm sent an email that doesn't real...

 
 
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3:45 AM
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Q: Is this site meant to be a list site?

animusonProposal: Open Transportation Technology I was just browsing through some of the proposed questions here, a lot of which have 10+ upvotes, and wondering why?? Many of them are asking for recommendations and tools, otherwise known as creating lists which aren't particularly encouraged here at Sta...

 
This question would do well on Database Administrators instead of Stack Overflow
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Q: Algorithmic order of table indexes for table operations

Dale MI have not been able to find a clear indication of the impact table indexes have on the algorithmic order of table operations. I am not interested in the nuts & bolts of specific implementations; I assume RDMS designers know what they are doing and they have made these as efficient as possib...

Needs 2 more close votes
 
needs 1 moar
 
So Fosco I'm currently trying to figure out the best way to add await into my models or something for the couchbase model, on account of my callbacks aren't working like I want
I can compile on the fly of course, so that doesn't bother me
 
I have no idea how to help :\
 
Oh, I was just mentioning that I'm hitting blocks ;-)
Like: "yeah, harder than I expected >.<"
 
4:07 AM
Jeff Atwood now has 999 bronze badges on Meta.
 
Half Life 3 confirmed!
 
 
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8:31 AM
A friend sent me this message the other day.
I laugh.
 
9:03 AM
@Pekka - Just a soul mate of the colonel... :) I also think you are very polite when you tell people to f*ck off.
 
 
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10:23 AM
@Oded thanks! There often are first revisions of comments that.... aren't completely polite, but I usually stop myself right after writing them.
@Moshe lol!
 
10:41 AM
@Pekka - I know what you mean. I also sometimes have a harsh first draft... It is difficult to "be nice" all the time ;)
 
 
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2:47 PM
Hi all, just got my edit privileges today. With this new power, I have a question. Is there anyway I can look into the queue to see if certain users have made like 50 suggested edits lined up? I see one or two and I think oh they are harmless, but then later I see the game they are playing.
 
profile => activity => revisions/suggestions
 
@ThiefMaster Yeah I guess so. I would hate to have to do that for every user I encounter though. Maybe I just learn over time who the games are.
 
Just don't approve minor edits. If you only approve substantial edits, you will be doing good.
 
And use a good rejection message when people abuse backtick code formatting to emphasize stuff
 
Or bold stuff for no good reason...
 
3:11 PM
True.. bold/italic-adding edits are usually crap, too
 
3:21 PM
With all the apple products now at my disposal, I have two very specific complaints about their devices.
Plugging in a USB cable on a unibody MBP makes me teeth crawl if I don't manage to Operation get it right.
Turning off the Magic Mouse is ridiculously hard for my fat fingers.
I also find it humorous in an entirely different way that I have apparently used 3GB of data via AT&T, and my next cycle starts in two days.
 
Wow! I'm impressed @jcolebrand - I never use that much data during one billing period.
 
Oh, I could use a lot more. I don't stream Netflix (yet) over my phone
I have in the past
 
Streaming a lot of audio / video, or just downloading stuff?
 
3:36 PM
Just general web usage. Facebook, web searches, siri, navigation, a little forcing Spotify to download new tracks or looking for songs that I hadn't listened to before, and the like.
 
I don't leave my house, so all my data use is on Wi-Fi :P
 
That's only because of the snow. However, when do you play hockey?
 
When I'm not curling.
I'm sure if I set up a good repeater on the roof, I could get my Wi-Fi at the rink too.
 
3:56 PM
@demongolem: Having that problem. Check out: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/164503/…
At this very moment. Trying to get a mod on it.
 
4:35 PM
@mootinator Starred for Canadian humour.
 
4:49 PM
@TimStone Starred for correct spelling of humour.
 
My take on why there should be some slack on Stack Overflow for not quite real world problems:
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A: Is there a rule of thumb for objective questions asked out of curiosity?

Lance RobertsTo play off of Jeff's answer, maybe there's some middle ground, focused learning-by-accident. What I mean by that is while the SO way has been a solid line directed at a goal (vector): and the all out forums are more like big circles around the goal: maybe what is optimum is a small slice ...

 
5:03 PM
@mootinator what is this, a humour jerk?
 
@jcolebrand What is this? Pandering?
 
 
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6:23 PM
Sometimes my computer tells me things and I miss the notification, but see the glimpse of movement, and wonder what I missed. And it annoys me.
 
yes!
As much as I hate how notifications can pile up on iOS, it would be nice to see the history on Windows sometimes.
 
@Fosco OSX has a built in area of the desktop similar to how iOS does it, because they use a shared notification system.
But I don't think that Chrome taps into that at all, because I think it's an SOA
 
Ah
 
All good articles.. I might pick up that book.
 
6:33 PM
same here
I realize it's "only $5" but this month that's a nervous point.
>.<
 
Might be selling my Jeep today.. Several people stopping by to buy things today.
 
I shall knock on wood for you then, or cross my fingers, or something
 
Looking at an absolutely crazy place to live in SF.. I'd be 'apartment-poor' but it might be worth it.
 
I'm not familiar with that expression, "apartment-poor"
I love living in apartments.
 
I've heard they're building some crazy small apartments in SF now.
 
6:35 PM
@LanceRoberts I could totally dig a 500sqft apartment if it were built right
I may be crazy, but I don't need much except a decent kitchen sink, full fridge, some counters, a decent toilet, and a reasonably sized standing shower (as opposed to a plane sized bathroom like some apartments wanna do)
And I would prefer to not have cabinets but just lots of shelves
ok, where the HELL is the IsAdmin token being stored in this effing db
And who are these people in my office? >.<
I miss having a door and nobody behind me during the day
 
They have a 22nd story corner studio available.. $2895/mo.. insane price, but, looks like a verrrrry nice place.
I guess the real expression is 'house poor'
 
Holy moly, that is an insane price, welcome to California and the price of the welfare state.
You could buy a few houses here for that.
 
The benefit, to me, is that I wouldn't need a car or have any transportation expenses. I'd be within 0.5 miles of work.
 
I really don't feel like that's a price of a welfare state, so much as it is a perceived lack of competition, thus artificially driving the rate up.
 
I was looking at a more affordable place, but there's no w/d in the units and the Yelp reviews weren't very good.
Downside is that it's more than 50% of my net income to live there.
 
6:51 PM
Sounds like a tough decision.
 
ugh, that front page in flash is killing me
 
@Fosco Depends on if transportation trade off adds up to the cost of the apartment.
Can you run some simulations? :p
 
simulations of traffic needs?
 
Hehe... Well I did some calculations.
If I lived far enough that I couldn't walk and had to take the subway, it would cost $16.50 a day ($335/mo)
If I required a car.. you're talking $400/mo with insurance and gas at a minimum.
Both of those add commute time.
Time is money.
So if you go further away to save $400-$500 a month, you're really not saving much.
 
How much is having a car and parking it in the city? Do you own a car now that you would take, or are you still in payments mode on the current car?
 
7:04 PM
The Paramount, if you have a car, is like $300/mo parking.
The hotel I stayed at when they flew me out, charges $42/night parking
 
a quick bit of math says that's $1300 a month
 
From what I can see, having a car in SF is incredibly expensive.
 
in parking
 
I'm house rich, commute poor. ;P
 
That's why I'm thinking, live close to work, live in a very 'upscale' place, and enjoy.
 
7:06 PM
And here I thought $50/mo parking in Shreveport was silly
 
Good thing I set things up so I telecommute now.
 
@jcolebrand I used to spend more than that per month in parking violations in Scranton, PA
 
@jcolebrand We have $120 parking and that's considered cheap by Canadian standards.
 
@Fosco hell, I don't even need to live "upscale" so long as I have a fat internet pipe in, a nice hot shower capable room, and a decent kitchen. I can buy a comfortable couch ;-)
 
I love to drive, it's a passion... but if I didn't have to sit in traffic ever? Heh.
 
7:08 PM
I like driving, winter driving, not so much. I just need to eliminate 6 months of the year somehow.
 
@mootinator the only time this is an acceptable use of the word as an answer: Hibernate!
 
@jcolebrand Yeah, who uses Java?
 
Exactly
 
looks around shiftily
 
Uh oh, Tim Stone broke something...
 
7:19 PM
Lies!
I would have had to have been working on something to break it.
 
Not really. You're just that good at breaking things.
 
declares shenanigans
 
Who here besides me and Tim is a 10k on SO?
 
<--
 
o/
 
7:26 PM
Except, Balpha should probably protect it ;-)
 
Why do you need 10k's to do that? You only need 3k to reopen a question...
 
@animuson oh, is that all?
I keep forgetting >.<
 
Ooh, ooh, I'm a 3k!
 
I have <> on dba.se and 10k on SO so
 
I wonder what would happen if I would ask for the meaning of: xkcd.com/303
 
7:30 PM
notice that oneboxing xkcd includes the title element
 
I wonder what would happen if I asked why XKCD skipped a number: xkcd.com/404
 
@Oded tag it "php"
 
@Shog9 - Not perl or javascript?
 
Hahah :P
 
@balpha: There isn't one anymore... and I can make my textarea expand infinitely high past the bottom border of the window.
 
7:31 PM
@Oded All of the above. Throw in [vb] for old time's sake.
 
@animuson Oh, that's rather amusing.
 
@Shog9 Nah, in teresko and the gang would be on it immediately :P
 
@Shog9 - that would have to be vbscript or vba, not vb ;)
 
@animuson Yeah. That has always worked.
 
@balpha: It previously had a max-height: 60px. That was the whole point of the question, you could drag it down 2px and it revealed odd "dots" o.o
 
7:33 PM
It's possible that there are some site themes where there's a max-height on that, but in general there's none
Also note that I tend to ignore the fact that some browsers illegally enable textarea resizing by default, but only so long as people don't complain about issues caused by resizing. If that happens, I'll quickly disable it ;p
 
I should point out you get bonus points for switching to box-shadow by the way:
Jan 8 at 1:31, by Tim Stone
@animuson Or just box-shadow: 0px 2px 5px #D0D0D0 inset; or something.
does the winning dance
 
@TimStone: From the CSS: box-shadow: 0 2px 2px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.1) inset;
 
Yeah, close enough :P
 
we can't really be pedantic over an unsure color reference anyways
and widths are theme dependent
 
adds custom CSS styles to prevent textarea resizing
 
7:39 PM
cross-posts to avoid remembering what he was working on
in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 hours ago, by Tim Stone
@fbueckert Thankfully if Stack Exchange adopts the same policy, I'm safe.
 
How would they know I'm not reporting a bug? Did they recently patent telepathy technology too?
 
suspends @TimStone for using cross-site message oneboxes to quote himself, which is not a documented feature
 
@animuson Since you have to have Origin installed, I assume it just hijacks your microphone to listen to you snickering about it to yourself and/or friends, like all good malware does.
@balpha :O
files a bug against the documentation
 
@TimStone But you intentionally leave bugs in the things so that you have something to fix later on and look like a hero. It's all an elaborate scheme!
 
I will neither confirm nor deny this.
 
7:45 PM
Besides, I'm not a PC Gamer. Nor do I ever use (or have ever used) my microphone to talk to people.
 
Hmm, that randomly reminds me that I wish I could get my hands on the raw source for posts easily. |:
 
Can't you? It's two button clicks...
 
I want it for ALL the posts. :P
 
Well, I guess if the post hasn't been edited.
 
(well, not all, but a large sampling)
And the API/Data Explorer only give generated sources
 
7:48 PM
Hi all
 
howdy
 
'Ello
 
'ullo
 
Huh, I thought I tried that.
 
7:52 PM
Clearly you were trying to make it look like a feature request that you could implement and steal the glory!
 
Thanks!
@animuson I'd have to ask Nick for data that wasn't already there, so I couldn't take credit anyway ;)
@balpha's query did remind me of another Data Explorer bug though :P
 
8:45 PM
Surely something intentionally put there. ::)
 
It's a bit embarrassing, I'm not sure how no one noticed it before.
 
I noticed I just didn't want to hurt your feelings.
 
Ban!
 
EA bought SE?
There's something unsettling about this new work.... :/
Notably that nobody thought it worth mentioning to me that it was going to be in Visual Basic.
 
9:39 PM
@mootinator That sounds like super fun.
 
Somewhere in a board room "We need to build something on an enterprisey database that has a silly application layer."
 
Bonus points if they're trying to pair Visual Basic with Oracle. I think that's one of the circles of hell.
 
@TimStone That's exactly it.
 
Fantastic
 
Anonymous
@TimStone Oh neat, it never occurred to me to look that. I'm exactly tied with Kiamlaluno for #4.
 
9:43 PM
Nice. I only just recently pushed @PopularDemand out of the top spot. He must be off being "responsible" or something silly like that.
 
That sounds unlikely
 
You should poke some devs to fix some of my easy bugs so I can get further ahead, just in case he reappears.
Lots of delicious, low-hanging fruit sitting there.
 
10:02 PM
36
Q: In a previous life, I worked at Delaware

Tim StoneWhen you go to add experience on your Careers profile the field for Organization is actually called "Location," leading Chrome's autocomplete to believe that I used to work for a physical place. For example: Admittedly this is fairly minor, but the field should probably be called something lik...

 
Sounds like a really stupid browser feature
 
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Q: Hidden ponies deserve autocompletion love too

Tim StoneFairly minor bug, but the username autocomplete doesn't rebuild its list of users immediately after hidden comments are loaded from the server, allowing for situations like the following where late-comers to the comment thread are excluded: Causing the textarea to refocus fixes things, since i...

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Q: Pressing tab doesn't expand autocompleted chat @names in Opera

eldarerathisWhen using chat, if I start typing someone's name preceded by an @ I see the autocomplete suggestions pop up above the input box as I would expect, but pressing Tab shifts focus from the text box to the "Send" button instead of expanding the name. I have to either type the name out in its entiret...

 
I was thinking more like this or this. Easy dev-reps! ;)
@Shog9 Oh random...
 
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Q: Badge activity roll-up on profile page isn't consistent

Tim StoneIf a user is awarded the same badge more than once in quick succession, the profile's activity tab will show each badge if the "badges" filter is selected... ...but the "all" filter will roll them up into a single entry... ...only not consistently: Shouldn't the roll-up behaviour for the...

 
There's a few ones in there for Jin when he gets bored too.
 
10:09 PM
^^^ Has that happened for any other blog post?
 
Well, it happened for the one I originally reported it for, and then again for the one in the screenshot.
 
hmm
 
I had speculated on what the cause might have been, but now I've forgotten.
blames WordPress (and probably SuperCache)
 
Anyone recall offhand if RedirectToAction actively responds with a 302 on the page? I don't really want to go write the logic, easier to be lazy and just ask
 
10:42 PM
For Dev Points how about implementing this promised feature:
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A: Tag Wikis should be indexed like Q&A in searches

Lance RobertsI would think it would look like the questions do, with the excerpt being the Title and the tag info part being the content. Label it with a T: and not have the votes/answers section. Then just have the one tag in the tag section. So something like this: Java is an object-oriented langu...

 
What was the purpose of putting the horizontal rules in blockquotes? That looks extremely weird...
 
Because they wouldn't show up when I didn't use the quotes. I imagine I could have used backtiks, just did the quotes first and left it that way.
Yeh, backticks worked better, just had to shorten it so it would fit, I always forget the html way to do the line.
 
What's wrong with ------------- ?
It auto-expands into an HR
 
@animuson, guess you didn't like the backticks either, but I'm fine with the way you did it. I had been thinking that the formatting wouldn't work in blockquotes. Thanks.
I can't believe they deleted the kid's question. It would have been a good one for other kids to find when searching Meta on that problem.
 
11:03 PM
It got auto-deleted because his account was nuked.
At least, it said deleted by Community. It says deleted by Aarthi now... Heh
 
She apparently accidentally undeleted it, and then had to redelete it :P
 
Ah, weird also that it doesn't show in the 10k Deleted list, but that explains it.
 
What kid and what question?
 
11:07 PM
Meh @ all of the condescending "500 reps isn't a lot" commentary.
 
I agree.
It got me curious as to what the law actually says, but not enough to actually go look it up.
 
Anonymous
11:37 PM
> Before collecting, using or disclosing personal information from a child, an operator must obtain verifiable parental consent from the child's parent. This means an operator must make reasonable efforts (taking into consideration available technology) to ensure that before personal information is collected from a child, a parent of the child receives notice of the operator's information practices and consents to those practices.
 
Anonymous
> Until April 2002, the FTC will use a sliding scale approach to parental consent in which the required method of consent will vary based on how the operator uses the child's personal information. That is, if the operator uses the information for internal purposes, a less rigorous method of consent is required.
 
Anonymous
> If the operator discloses the information to others , the situation presents greater dangers to children, and a more reliable method of consent is required. The sliding scale approach will sunset in April 2002 subject to a Commission review planned for October 2001.
 
Thanks @JeremyBanks
So the issue is really that SE doesn't want to go to the effort for the small amount of under-13s they'd get. (I don't really blame them)
 
Anonymous
They also need a detailed privacy policy explaining how each piece of information is being used, and this must be prominently linked:
 
Anonymous
11:42 PM
> The link to the privacy notice must be clear and prominent. Operators may want to use a larger font size or a different color type on a contrasting background to make it stand out. A link in small print at the bottom of the page -- or a link that is indistinguishable from other links on your site -- is not considered clear and prominent.
 
Summary: it's a pain in the butt process that requires a lot of effort on SE's part just to let in young users who are potentially immature and not a good fit for the community (as has been shown by those who end up getting banned for being underage).
 
@JeremyBanks Technically it's not 12 years out of date if you mean the sunset provisions.
@LanceRoberts specifically how would you get parental consent for 10,000 <13 trying to use the site?
 
Anonymous
@jcolebrand That is what I meant. I guess I should have said "hasn't been updated to reflect new information in almost 11 years".
 
@JeremyBanks what new information should be presented?
You should never remove the "effects are to change in XXXX" because then people go "well, did it ever change?"
Always leave the sunset information on laws, until there can be no question of the sunset date. At this point there are enough folks out there who don't know about this. It should be left in.
 
Anonymous
@jcolebrand Oh, I misread. I read as saying that commission would change the rules to something new, not just approve the changes (sunsetting) already described.
 
11:48 PM
Ahh, gotcha
Yeah, before 2002 there was literally no definition of any of this sort of thing
So they had to give a transition period.
 
@jcolebrand, I wouldn't try to do that, I would try to not collect the information that would make me do that.
 
@LanceRoberts oh, I misunderstood your point then I suppose.
 

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