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12:00 AM
@Pekka :-)
People who have talent have no time.
 
12:38 AM
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12:56 AM
The problem with Shog9's solution to making the election link more prominent is that Wikipedia has trained me never to click on red links :P
 
1:17 AM
@TimYiJiang Wasn't my solution, fwiw - I was out all day. I'm more interested in seeing how many people trickle in than getting all worked up about numbers a day in.
This is probably something for Jin to look at long-term - just making the text red won't really look great on some sites anyway.
 
Just curious, how were the numbers? Was it less than the last few elections?
 
@TimYiJiang So far? Yes, something under 1/3rd of the visits for the same time frame. Of course, previous election visits plateaued hard after two days when the sysmsg went away, so I'm reluctant to get too upset until we've seen how this plays out long-term.
 
1:42 AM
Hello :)
 
2:37 AM
@Lucifer Hola
 
3:00 AM
Ola :)
 
3:10 AM
Huh... who withdrew from the election?
 
@minitech White
 
Anonymous
3:54 AM
IIRC during the previous election withdrawn nominations were just collapsed, not removed. This is probably better (erasing any associated drama), but it is a tiny bit confusing.
 
Anonymous
I'd personally like a "last activity" link and "last edited" dates on all the posts, like elsewhere, but I can appreciate the desire to keep the pages clean.
 
Indeed. I wish they hadn't taken that out.
 
4:16 AM
@moshe what surprise shipment was that?
 
@mootinator A BlackBerry Playbook.
 
Heh, That's really a lot closer to your part of the world than mine ;)
 
@mootinator Waterloo? Isn't that Canada?
 
Just sayin' waterloo -> NYC is about 1/4 the distance of Saskatoon -> NYC
 
@mootinator Ohwowdidn'tknow that.
 
 
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6:44 AM
@TimManishEarth Not really a duplicate, but does appear to answer the question.
 
 
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11:11 AM
Where can I see a table of popular tags ordered by their number of followers? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/134741/…
 
@MattHickford Does the data explorer come with that data?
 
what's a data explorer?
 
@TimYiJiang It doesn't
 
how do i tell?
 
11:13 AM
Never mind then
 
but thanks Tim, that data explorer thing is really really cool
where can I ask stack exchange to add that data to the explorer?
 
Hmm, and the API also doesn't expose follower counts.
 
On Meta
@TimStone Yeah, just checked.
 
@MattHickford Yeah, you can ask on Meta.
 
It's not because it wasn't there when 2.0 was released though
 
11:17 AM
I guess technically you could make educated guesses about who's following what tags in certain circumstances, but I can't imagine that's the underlying concern...so I'm not sure what's up with that.
Hmm, which reminds me...need to make a note to ask waffles about this.
I wonder what the cool kids are using to load the data dumps into MySQL these days...
 
node.js, because it's webscale
what was the question again?
 
I'm still recovering from a webscale-eseque incident at work the other week, don't go there. Thankfully for everyone involved, I didn't have to hurt them. :P
I did almost link to that YouTube video though...
 
12:14 PM
we're quick!
 
I thought suggested edits consisting entirely of whitespace changes will not be accepted?
 
@balpha Bwuahah
 
how does it decide which spaces were the original ones in the diff?
 
@TimYiJiang I've never heard of that rule. The one post about whitespace suggested edits on meta I recall was actually about the 6-char limit
@awoodland pretty much randomly (it's derterministic, but no way to know in beforehand)
 
@balpha I thought the limit was 6 non-whitespace characters, which would exclude any changes that only adds whitespace?
 
12:28 PM
@awoodland xmailserver.org/diff2.pdf <-- if you want to know more :)
 
@Shog9 - got a minute to end the continuing madness at: stackoverflow.com/revisions/10930859/13 ?
 
@TimYiJiang I'll check, I'm not sure
okay, we were both kind of right
the threshold for space-only diffs is higher
(24 instead of 6)
 
Hmmm, I never knew that.
 
now that I think about it, I think Sam mentioned this on meta somewhere, but I can't find it
 
12:43 PM
Hmm, I remember him talking about excluding spaces if there was abuse, but not about there being a separate limit once that restriction was put into place. In fact, I thought the error message tells you now that they have to be non-space edits? Which makes sense if the new limit was created because of abuse, since you wouldn't want to tell people how to work around it.
Oh, whoops. Should go get ready for work...
 
1:07 PM
Auto marking flags helpful on self-deletion seems rather bad in the case of: stackoverflow.com/posts/10930859/revisions
 
@TimManishEarth gonna start adding that tag to poor questions. :P
 
1:28 PM
Hey all...
@balpha can you delete this answer? meta.stackoverflow.com/a/134353/155556
it is the same as my answer which you had deleted (still not sure exactly why)
 
Dude, no offense, but that few statements reminds me of my nephew going "why can Joe stay up late and I can't? Why isn't he grounded too?"
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1:58 PM
@ShawnChin haha possibly. But I am just curious as to why it doesnt have the same backlash as mine did ^_^
 
Just not yet I suppose. Have you flagged it?
 
@ShawnChin ya ya
Havent seen u here in a while @ShawnChin
 
Yeah. Been a little tied up with work recently. Took on a project that's a little more than I can comfortable chew.
 
I still drop by now and again, but mainly just to see what's up.
Fighting addiction is not easy. One puff and you're back to square one.
 
Lix
2:11 PM
@sha - you said it!
 
Odd that here is so much backlash to this post: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/134933/155556
I thought it would go over really well...
The best laid plans of mice and men....
How does the tag work?
 
@awoodland it has been done: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/92107/155556
Was thinking about adding a bounty too, but I will wait on that.
Any mods in the room?
 
2:45 PM
@awoodland hehe I added the support tag and @AnnaLear removed it :-P
 
Lix
Candidate for migration to SF?
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Q: Server Root Vs Domain Root

user1442493Question, I have 1 server and 2 domains, there is one primary domain xyz.com and 1 add on domain myweb.com. Lets just say I set up a small website in a directory off the main domain. xyz.com/dev/website/index.php index.php is including a file located in ../inludfiles/ I then go and make /my...

 
candidate for cleanup. Question is really hard to follow.
 
Lix
You are right - not the best of questions.... not gonna migrate if its just gonna get closed as NC/NARQ over there...
 
and the issue seems to be about PHP includes from a directory above the DocumentRoot, so probably not SF fodder
 
3:01 PM
I tried, but the question is pretty unintelligible for me
 
Ditto. I was halfway through when I realised I couldn't make a sensible edit without making some assumptions about what the OP wants.
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Oops. I was actually gonna remove [discussion] :P
 
@TimYiJiang nice edit. Reads better now. Although I'm still not sure I understand what the OP is really after. (probably just me being a little slow in the grey today)
 
@AnnaLear Silly you ^_^
@AnnaLear how can we make that post more FAQy?
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA There's a bunch of stuff in the comments that should be cleaned up. (That's easy. I'll just burn the comments. :))
Not sure about the fact that there are like 5 answers on it, all slightly different. I'm debating whether it's worth trying to edit it all down to one answer.
 
3:11 PM
@AnnaLear That might be the best option :-)
This question could be used to point to all people who call SO a "Forum" :-P
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA It's kinda already covered by this:
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A: What Stack Overflow is Not

ChrisFStack Overflow is not a Forum or Discussion Board Stack Overflow is specifically designed to get answers to your questions. Extended discussion is a distraction, so please don't ask us to engage in it. Do not post as answers: New questions. Have you solved this yet? I'm getting this problem ...

 
@AnnaLear That may be true, but my question was there waaaay before @Robert's Not posts.
 
@ShawnChin I think they want to execute random 3rd party PHP on their server direct from somebody else's!
 
That answer could point to this FAQ Question @AnnaLear
 
@shawnchin - I'd say they're looking for mod_proxy or mod_rewrite really
 
3:16 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Sure. But that's already in the FAQ. I think linking to the "is SO a forum" question from that answer would be sufficient. I don't see much point in adding "is SO a forum" as a separate first-class FAQ entry.
 
@AnnaLear :-\ idk. I think it is an easier read to see it question/answer then just answer. But you are the mod :-)
 
@awoodland perhaps. hard to tell without more details. Sounds like the OP hasn't really thought through the problem or made any attempts to try out what works and what doesn't.
Hmm.. I'm being a cynical old git today.
This comes to mind when I allow myself to even consider self-nominating for mod duty.
 
3:46 PM
@AnnaLear :-(
 
So is an awesome forum.
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@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA The problem with making that a FAQ is that "forum" is such a nebulous concept. Yes, lots of folks show up thinking it's a forum. But they don't show up thinking "Stack Overflow is a forum" - they just show up thinking it works like every other site they've used... which all happen to be forums. Saying, "SO isn't a forum" is pointless; you need to explain why, say, we don't encourage discussion, or GTKY, or whatever.
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA You're missing my point. The frequent question isn't "is SO a forum?" It's "Why did my request for opinions get shut down?"
etc.
 
3:54 PM
@Shog9 True, but that is because they assume that SO is a forum.
 
Look at the other 7 answers there. To some people, including folks who know quite well exactly what SO is, SO is a forum. Just not a discussion forum.
 
And you know what happens when you assume...
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA No, they assume SO will allow discussion, or polls, or whatever because Reddit or HN or Bob's Automotive PHPBB allows discussion or polls or whatever, and that's what they're used to.
 
@Shog9 true. But that means that meta.stackoverflow.com/a/128550/155556 should be changed to reflect that
or removed.
 
"forum" is the term we use to lump all that stuff together, and then say "we're different, we're not that."
 
3:56 PM
@Shog9 see above
 
forum is a metaphor from the latin word
 
It's like the discussion on list questions a while back. We came up with "list question" to describe certain types of questions that tend to produce unbounded lists. But not all lists are bad, and arguably most questions are "list questions" in some form. If you're trying to explain a concept to someone by using jargon and then expecting them to be able to find and use it, you're lost from square one.
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA The question's fine. The answers answer it. It's just not a question that's frequently asked.
 
@Shog9 eh? thats a link to that answer "What stack is not"
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA That whole question has the issue of being written by folks who don't need the answers themselves. It's - at best - a handy way of keeping notes on things that they've had to explain a lot. But if your goal is to create something folks will voluntarily read in order to learn about SO... Eh, I don't think so.
 
@Shog9 hmmm But that main Q (What SO is not) is in the FAQ!
 
4:02 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA Yeah, and yet it isn't a FAQ.
That's not a great reason to add more non-FAQs to the FAQ.
 
@Shog9 sure looks like it is in the FAQ: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/128548/155556
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA You're missing my point. You can slap a FAQ tag on it, put it in the directory, but that doesn't change the fact that no one's showing up on MSO in numbers to ask about what SO isn't!
 
@Shog9 Then why is it part of the FAQ if it is not FREQUENTLY ASKED?
Only mods can slap that tag on it. not measly little me.
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA You'd have to ask whoever added it. I suspect it's because the SO FAQ ends up being some combination of real FAQs and just miscellaneous documentation. For instance, until yesterday there was a pretty good list of close reasons linked there - that's not really a FAQ, it's just someone deciding they needed to be documented (and they did at that point, because they weren't in the site FAQs - they are now.
Which means even /faq/ has a bunch of stuff in it that's not strictly FAQ - although to be fair, it's part of an answer to a real FAQ.
 
@Shog9 Well that is one of the reasons I was one of the down voters. It was put up as "faq" without much resistance, when it isn't FAQ but just a bunch of pseudo-facts....
 
4:13 PM
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA I down-voted it too, after making fun of it in an answer. Frankly, I think it falls into the same category as whathaveyoutried.com (or, in some cases, the bobince answer). But some of the answers are decent (read: not excessively preachy and condescending) and can be a useful tool for helping new folks learn to use the site. If it doesn't collapse under its own weight, one of us may have to go through and delete a lot of the more overtly insulting answers at some point though.
For instance:
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A: What Stack Overflow is Not

Robert HarveyStack Overflow is not a Mind Reader Always provide enough information in your question so that we can answer it. Don't just state "it's not working" or "I have a problem." We need to know what exactly is wrong, which means what error message you get, if any, or at least what exactly is happenin...

 
... Yes, some of the answers are "decent" but definitly not FAQ worthy...
 
^^^ Just stupid. If you're linking to that in a comment on someone's question, you might as well just cut to the chase and call them an idiot. Tell 'em their mother dresses them funny too while you're at it.
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I understand the frustration, but... uggggg...
 
lol
 
@Shog9 it is basically a big F U I won't help you out, but here is a cookie....
 
4:16 PM
"It looks like you're trying to make me guess at something. Wanna guess what it is?"
 
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A: What Stack Overflow is Not

OdedStack Overflow is not a Recommendation Engine Book recommendations, suggestions for tools, and product comparisons are not really what we do here. We cannot tell you what is the best: Book Language Platform IDE Library ??? Any answer we give you is likely to be too subjective, and will chan...

^^^ I actually disagree with that to some extent
There are a couple of perfectly good blog posts that explain why those questions are troublesome.
Without trying to be so short and pithy about it.
And with constructive advice on how to ask similar questions that do work
 
yaa
IDK i just do not like it
@amana: "FAQ" is a misnomer. It's an ill-advised synonym for "This is what we think you should know," and it's used that way throughout the Web. — Robert Harvey 28 secs ago
 
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A: What Stack Overflow is Not

Robert HarveyStack Overflow is not your personal research assistant The Stack Overflow community is very forthcoming with their help, provided you have done a few things to help yourself. Have you: Put some effort into researching the problem, Attempted to write some code yourself Attempted to debug your ...

^^^ actually decent. Professional, not too condescending, specific advice on resolving common problems.
 
That is what it seems.
 
4:25 PM
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A: What Stack Overflow is Not

Robert HarveyStack Overflow is not a Social Network Please focus your question on your problem and relevant background only. It doesn't matter to us whether you are new to programming or a veteran. It doesn't matter whether if you have one day to complete your project or one year. However, what does matt...

^^^ mostly ok, though unfortunate title.
 
@Shog9 What should the title be?
it seems correct(ish)
 
the actual answer is about unwarranted familiarity. Something like, "Stack Overflow is not a social club" or "Stack Overflow is not Miss Manners" would be a better fit; it's not like social networks necessarily imply polite, formal phrasing
 
user102937
5:05 PM
@Shog9 How could this one be made better? I get ongoing complaints about how condescending the "What Stack Overflow is Not" post is, but nobody seems willing to step up and improve the verbiage.
 
user102937
@Shog9 Which blog posts? Aren't they already linked in that answer?
 
user102937
@Shog9 Social club, miss manners seems more condescending than "Social Network." The term "Social Network" is used because it implies a tool that everyone uses and familiar with, the rules of which don't work well on SE.
 
user102937
This post exists in part because the site faq doesn't work. It's a nice introduction to the site, but it's far too general to keep people from tripping over all the usual land mines.
 
5:23 PM
@RobertHarvey I don't have anything to suggest, since I just don't see the point of it at all. This pretty much states the same thing as the "Not a Real Question" close reason; if you're gonna leave a comment on top of that, making it specific to the question being commented on at least adds something; otherwise, why bother?
@RobertHarvey Yes, they are. And, unlike that answer, both provide examples of how to write questions that are decent. So what's the point of linking to an answer that doesn't provide any advice when you could just link to a blog post that does?
@RobertHarvey Eh... You're trying to sum up a bunch of conventions that've developed over time, which aren't even universally agreed on, and which have little or no connection to "social networks" of any kind. It's etiquette; it probably doesn't belong in a list of "things SO isn't" to begin with, but if you're gonna force it then "SO isn't <something where formal person-to-person conventions are expected or respected>" would apply.
"SO isn't a letter"
"SO isn't a dinner party"
"SO isn't the coronation of Queen Elizabeth"
...
@RobertHarvey Yeah, I've been thinking about that a lot lately. Toying with the idea of writing some sort of "Introduction to SO" that then branches off into more specific topics - FAQs and others. This "directory of FAQs" thing sorta became pointless as soon as it was moved to MSO, since MSO is the FAQ.
 
user102937
5:49 PM
@Shog9 I changed the title. It's nice to know someone else is thinking about these things.
 
Lix
8:32 PM
oh wow... just got notified of an edit made to my post...
 
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A: Notify users about edit suggestion on their own posts

Kevin MontroseNow that we've got a lower priority place to shove "somebody suggested an edit to your stuff" notices in the notifications tab, this will go out with the next build. Whenever an edit is suggested to a post you own, a notification with a link to both the post and the suggested edit will be sent y...

 
Lix
awesome :) thanks @bal
 
After that comment the other day, I read that as "thanks bro"
 
Lix
@timS - a comment I made?
 
Oh, no.
thanks bro... :) — blasteralfred 2 days ago
 
8:46 PM
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9:05 PM
Please read the question carefully before trying to close the question. If you are not understanding this question then you should improve your self to understand. — Pavandroid May 31 at 9:46
 
@PopularDemand fixed.
 
Sounds like somebody didn't improve himself to understand
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10:58 PM
I wish there was a place to ask "What the heck is this date format" questions.
 
Anonymous
11:11 PM
Apple's official Xcode 3.2 / OS X 10.4 SDK download has an expired cert. Need to set clock back a year to install it. Silly.
 
11:58 PM
@RobertHarvey I don't think they're condescending. They get very straight to the point, so perhaps they could be seen as a little curt, but I think it's best that way to keep the post short
 

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