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12:28 AM
This is cool
 
Holy cow! My mom cooked me like 10 eggs how am I supposed to eat all that o.o
 
12:46 AM
These are some nasty tasting eggs.
 
 
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2:36 AM
Have no fear everyone, I have returned with beer and wings. Happy Hour can now begin, several hours late.
 
I'll have wings.
 
I apparently have barbecue and some degree of hot.
 
I'll be the judge of that!
 
2:55 AM
@TimStone: Do you happen to know how long it takes for a tag's questions to get retagged to the master tag after a successful synonym?
 
That actually doesn't happen, or at least didn't.
 
Ahh, I see. I think Robert is handling it. :P
 
I have pizza.
 
Also delicious
(hopefully)
 
 
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1:28 PM
A SEDE query for 'What have you tried so far' returns more than 8000 results, which is actually less than what I'd expected
 
 
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Anonymous
3:44 PM
The OS X Mountain Lion notification API is App Store-only. Very annoying.
 
Anonymous
Here I was thinking we'd have an awesome free replacement now that Growl's gone non-free, but no.
 
5:18 PM
yo yo
 
 
it's a work of art
ah, @Shog9, i meant to tell you that I found a way to write "Shog" on a calculator upside-down
bu since an upside-down 6 looks the same as a "g," putting them next to each other would look like "Shogg"
 
6045?
 
yessir
 
@Purmou Yeah, you'd need a calculator that supports superscripts ;-)
Or rather, subscripts
 
5:23 PM
mhm, scientific would do the trick. i think i have one
so how goes it?
 
@Purmou Just finished cleaning up the kitchen, sitting down to drink coffee eat donuts and write about deletion
Good Saturday ;-)
 
sounds like boring adult stuff
 
lol
Well, I am a boring adult
 
haha
at 10k, you can see everything about a deleted question?
cause i have a chrome extension that lets me see the question text, the user who posted it, the last edit, and if i'm lucky, the votes and comments
 
5:50 PM
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A: Why were some garbage questions undeleted?

PurmouI think everybody's being a little too cocky right now. Personally, I don't let my love and understanding of the system get in the way of my even greater love for great, entertaining content. And "garbage" is going way too far. What use is it to delete some of the gems of Stack Overflow's histo...

what do you think?
 
6:43 PM
@Purmou It's a good perspective. Thanks for posting that ;-)
Oh, hey @Norman
 
@Shog9, at meta.stackoverflow.com/a/124404/41661 I tried to post a more reasoned complaint about sudden deletions. But to be fair, I think it's just a "me, too" response. I hope those have a place on meta :-)
 
@NormanRamsey Responded.
(Longer response in the works... Too long for a comment ;-))
 
@Shog9, yeah I have mixed feelings about the whole business, but as an old-timer I wanted to put my 2c in. As you suggested I posted an undelete request for the specific question, noting in my argument that I view this question as a test case (in the legal sense, not the programming sense).
 
7:00 PM
@NormanRamsey Good man. That's the way this is supposed to work, but all too often has not. I appreciate you taking the time to try at least
 
@Shog9 We'll see what happens, but I think what I have learned from the exercise is that I am no longer invested in the success of Stack Overflow, and it's time for me to bow out.
@Shog9, so I see you say this question was deleted by a moderator. What happened to "light hand in moderation"? (The moderator elections are damn near useless; from what people say, I can rarely tell what sort of moderator I'm voting for.)
 
@NormanRamsey I understand. Please accept my gratitude for your time and effort, and especially for your willingness to stand up and express your concerns today - if folks stay quiet when they see something wrong, nothing changes.
@NormanRamsey See:
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Q: Cap deletion votes at 20 for megaupvoted golden oldies

NinefingersSo I've been following this deletion discussion for some time now and I think I see a possible resolution. A lot of the upset from "my stuff being deleted" appears to be the apparent unfairness of a moderator acting unilaterally. As a moderator elsewhere, I certainly understand that these decisi...

In short, the delete-voting system is broken, and this has resulted in moderators being put in positions they really shouldn't be.
That's not a knock against our moderators - they do a great job, in the face of a tremendous amount of work. But asking them to stand in as proxies for voters in these situations is troublesome.
 
7:16 PM
@Shog9 Yes, I just read that one and some of the things it links to, and I'm a little alarmed at what some of the moderators are writing, e.g., "the questions in this tag have little value to anyone except the asker", or "keep the stellar questions and delete the rest". I'm now wishing I could vote to delete a moderator :-(
 
What is this place? Doctor Who?
 
you know, I realise these rep changes were to placate the users who jump on meta and whinge about losing 12 rep because yesterday's question was deleted. However, it's clearly having the opposite effect on people who have contributed to the site for a long time (let's assume that the rate of question deletion has stayed the same, just for the sake of argument)
 
@Shog9 It disturbs me how many of these old, controversial questions are questions I wrote answers to. My footprints are slowly being erased...
@Greg "these rep changes"?
 
the way deleted questions are shoved in your face now
 
@GregHewgill Oh yeah. Unintended consequences... It's funny, because Jeff was dead-set against showing deleted posts in user profiles, for this very reason - and then they sneak in anyway.
 
7:18 PM
@GregHewgill Ah, right.
 
I'm not necessarily unhappy with deleting (most) old questions, sure I have some favourites that I'd be sad to see go, but I'm looking at today and forward
Knocking hundreds of rep off my "today" total just because something old rolled off the end just pisses me off
 
I'm actually glad to have the information---my favorite among the answers I myself has written, which was about the third or fourth highest in vote totals, suddenly disappeared. I had kept an eye on it because it just earned me a rare gold badge last month. I'm glad to be told what happened.
 
@GregHewgill If "car/carpet" disappears, I'm gonna have to find another link to throw at JS newbs. That's no good!
Oh, and thankyousoverymuch for linking to that, after it slid by for years unnoticed ;-P
@NormanRamsey Yeah, I do believe it will be good in the long-term - these are discussions the community should be having, at least in the case of very old, popular questions. But facing years of deletion all at once is a bit of a shock.
 
@GregHewgill I guess I have no clue what "most" old questions look like. But if an old question is generating hundreds or thousands in reputation, that's a measure of value, and I don't want those questions deleted. Closed would be OK, since that sends a message "we don't wany any more like this".
I know I put myself in an awkward position by participating heavily on SO and barely at all on Meta. Plato, in the Republic, had a thing or two to say about people like me, i.e., I deserve no sympathy whatever :-)
 
7:26 PM
@GregHewgill Subjective? Argumentative? Discussiony? Subversiony? I can think of a few arguments against it, but it's hard to say which one (if any) applies since it wasn't closed, flagged, or commented on.
 
@NormanRamsey Yes, I've written before about closure being a one-way trip to deletion, which is where we got the multiple required delete votes from
 
What I really wonder is what purpose these deletions are intended to serve. I see moderators whose names I don't recognize (not you @Shog9) who seem to have some notion of "purity" that was never a real standard. "Does this question make the Internet better by its very existence" is a dangerous standard. One man's poison is another man's meat.
 
FWIW: I'm not a moderator. Even though I do occasionally play one on TV.
 
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A: Question deletions are getting out of hand

Robert HarveyUse your deletion votes responsibly! If the appropriateness of discussions on SO were as black and white as some of the answers here suggest, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. For God's sake, if a question has valuable content, just leave it! StackOverflow is not your site. It is ...

that's the question about limiting delete votes (actually that's a link to an answer..)
 
> [F]rankly, I'm starting to get the impression [...] that you feel some users need special handling on SO due to their reputation off-site: if that's the case, then vote accordingly. As for me... I've watched hours of my own effort disappear in deleted posts, some of which I've voted to delete myself...
I stand by that. If folks were actively voting to remove or preserve stuff they felt was appropriate / inappropriate, this would be a lot healthier.
 
7:33 PM
I wonder if it would be helpful to allow "unclose" or "undelete" votes before the question is actually closed or deleted
the community gets little say in what happens after a question gets deleted, because everybody who disagreed with the deletion has to remember to come back some time later (and sometimes much later)
 
Yeah, that's been discussed quite a few times... IMHO, it'd just lead to deadlock.
 
maybe the inclusionists get half a vote or something :)
 
@GregHewgill There is a list - if you can vote to undelete, you can see the list of recently-deleted questions
That used to be my workflow (before delete votes got hobbled...) go through both lists every day, voting to get rid of stuff I thought useless, and to restore stuff that had value.
Ditto for closed / re-opened.
Kinda wonder if we need to push the 10K tools a bit more :-/
 
I find there's too much housekeeping to keep track of it all
for a while I've been focusing on voting to delete closed questions (closed without answers because of off topic or whatever), but the list only grows. (I wrote a tool to keep track of a list of questions I've voted to delete and what happens to them)
If you want samples of what happens to be on that list, I'd be happy to oblige :)
 
@GregHewgill Yeah... Well, the end result is that you get just a handful of people actually doing it. When delete-votes were limited a couple years back, overall deletion halved in the next month - there just weren't enough people voting to make up the difference.
@GregHewgill Go ahead...
 
7:38 PM
yep, I remember that
-12
Q: How to concatenate two strings with underscore

GregHow can I concatenate two strings with an underscore?

-4
Q: Java in C and C++

user1187041I want to know more about using a java object in C and C++, please provide me some docs regarding this, with example.

0
Q: What's the best way to learn nature-inspired algorithms?

Rodrigo RuizI completed the Machine Learning course (Stanford) and got very interested, also after some research, I decided that I'd like to learn nature-inspired algorithms. I've found some resources like: Clever Algorithms: Nature-Inspired Programming Recipes (Book) Wyss institute (Website) (sorry, a...

there's three at random
 
@GregHewgill FWIW: unanswered questions scoring <= 0 do eventually get deleted automatically
 
that's true, I actually learned about that only recently
I had seen it happening but didn't know why
maybe I should focus on crap questions that happen to have an answer
 
0
Q: Issue in stackoverflow.com

KamalI cant voteup or make any comments on questions... My firebug showing some javascript error like this.. missing ) in parenthetical [Break On This Error] ...eight: 120%; text-align: center;"><strong>Subscribed!</strong></span>'),b.appen http://cdn.sstatic.net/js/full.j...

i instinctively want to flag this as too localized
 
@GregHewgill Or up-votes
 
RRRrrrr. More participation on meta. Downvotes and snarky moderator comments at every turn. This is not good for me. Must! STOP!
 
7:52 PM
The meta site is devided in "bugs" and "requests", but how do I make a request? Just click on "ask question"?
 
@cooky451 click on 'ask question' and use tag 'feature-request' in tags
 
thanks
 
@NormanRamsey I recommend a nice cup of tea. Internet arguments are best kept in perspective ;-)
 
a nice chamomile can do the mind good
 
yeah, I'm done arguing on the internet for today. It's sunny and I'm going for a run :)
 
7:59 PM
-1
Q: Can Javascript code be encripted making it hard for someone to copy?

DokkatEDIT: Posted on the wrong site for mistake, please close this. Sorry.

what the...?
 
8:21 PM
@Shog9 Nice cuppa sounds good. I have participated in more Meta in the last 14 hours than in the previous 3 years :-(
 
now i know why his name is random
 
 
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9:55 PM
@Shog9 Ah, that's what you've been working on
 
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Q: Community-led deletionism: a protocol for sanity

Shog9A couple of events in the past few days have caused me to reflect - yet again - on the direction we're headed with regard to deletion on Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange. First, a moderator on one of our larger Stack Exchange sites resigned. This parting was not acrimonious - he just decided he...

 
10:07 PM
@Shog9 insane
These last few days on #StackOverflow have been a living hell. Some extreme changes must be made. http://meta.stackoverflow.com/q/124439/166307
 
Box shadows are such a pain in the butt -.-
 
@animuson how so?
 
Anonymous
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Q: HTML not escaped in titles of questions for "deleted" events in profile "reputation" tab

nachitoThis is working correctly in some instances, but not others <tr class="rep-breakdown-row"> <td class="rep-left"> <span class="rep-up">+1</span> </td> <td class="rep-time" title="2012-03-03 19:07:11Z"> 7 mi...

 
Clicking your link does nothing for me. :P
 
good god this is link haven
 
10:19 PM
Actually, I thought that your deleted post shouldn't be a link? (because it is for me)
 
@TimStone click the last bar (if you're looking at the graph)
 
Anonymous
@TimStone The deleted event isn't a link, it's just the title printed as raw HTML.
 
Anonymous
But only the deletion event is affected, the other events on the quesiton are linked.
 
@Purmou: I was trying to make the shadow only show on the top, left, and right.
 
For me, it is a link.
 
10:20 PM
@animuson make the spread 0
 
Anonymous
@TimStone It might be for 10ks.
 
Anonymous
For me it executes the script.
 
Ah, yes.
I thought it was restricted to moderators, but apparently it works for 10K users as well.
 
@Purmou: I was using "0 0 5px 0"
 
In incognito I do get the alert.
 
10:21 PM
box-shadow: -5px 0px 0px #000,  0px -5px 0px #000, 5px 0px 0px #000;
 
Anonymous
 
Anonymous
@Shog9
 
@Jeremy: It figures Jeremy would potentially destroy the universe.
 
Anonymous
@animuson I'm sad that I didn't find this one.
 
I'm sure someone will see if soon, otherwise I'll start poking...I mean, it is a serious issue, but it's also somewhat non-trivial to exploit, at least. Requires you to know that it exists, then get people to look at your profile's reputation tab.
What confuses me most is how that even happened, since the output is escaped by default...leading to those much less interesting double-escape bugs.
 
10:32 PM
Should have done it with an obnoxiously large image. I'd like a screenshot of this image in the middle of someone's profile. :P
 
@JeremyBanks thanks.
 
someone should write protocols for when things get out of hand :P
testing, are we?
 
Anonymous
Oops, I didn't wait for page ready. That might not work...
 
it doesn't work
do it again! :D
still don't work
 
Anonymous
10:40 PM
@Purmou Now.
 
now it does
WTF
 
Anonymous
I kept messing it up.
 
quit taking advantage of an exploit.
 
Mwuahahaha
 
was about to say, a lot can be done with this knowledge
 
10:42 PM
@Rebecca: How else are we supposed to attain the mythical Hacker badge?
 
smart move editing it before I had to...heh.
 
(You may want to don your anti-sharp-stick armour anyway, just to be safe)
 
@animuson reporting = good. exploiting = bad.
 
You should always ask yourself "Will this cause @RebeccaChernoff to stab me with a pointy stick?" before posting. If the answer is yes, you're Doing it Wrong™.
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@TimStone don't worry the stick really isn't all that pointy
 
10:54 PM
I thought the stick was only blunted in the case of intra-office poking?
 
nah, the tsa takes it away from her every time
 
@Zypher pfft, you just focus on plugging things back in and turning them back on >_<
 
Keeping us safe within our borders, bless them.
 
@RebeccaChernoff meh nothing got unplugged
i'm just staring at a bunch of ! in a row right now
 
@Zypher minor detail.
 
10:56 PM
! for excitement, or ! for "Oh <expletive>"?
 
extracting c2960s-universalk9-mz.150-1.SE2/c2960s-universalk9mz.150-1.SE2.bin (13436474 bytes)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a/k/a cisco's status bar
 
Heh, nice.
 
i'm tempted to post a "stop being arrogant cause yo have high rep" post on meta
 
Anonymous
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A: HTML not escaped in titles of questions for "deleted" events in profile "reputation" tab

Kevin MontroseThis has been fixed in the latest deploy. Beatings are being doled out to those responsible.

 
That seems like a bad temptation, heh.
 
10:59 PM
@TimStone: that's why i'm not doing it :D
 
:)
 
Anonymous
Meta.SO using SO reputation will have an interesting effect on that.
 
although it's unfortunate how it does happen
y'know, high rep ==> arrogance ==> hate ==> dark side
 
Anonymous
Indeed. It is scary posting with low rep.
 
okay
this is getting pretty out of hand now
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Framed Garbage

Proposed Q&A site for people who like to preserve the popular detritus of other sites where questions and their answers are no longer on-topic (if they ever were).

Currently in definition.

 
Anonymous
11:04 PM
/follow
 
@Purmou So is that basically a site where you can post any non-constructive topic you could possibly think of and get away with it?
 
@animuson seems more like a dump
 
Anonymous
I have an old answer on a crappy question that doesn't justify undeletion. I want it to live!
 
@Purmou: So then you're not allowed to ask a question? Only get migrated there?
 
i don't even know
 
11:05 PM
I'm all for the archive idea, but suggesting this garbage site on Area51 is not the way to get it implemented.
 
@Purmou I'm admittedly not sure it has anything to do with reputation at all, though. I think the path is more likely skill => (potential arrogance => hate => dark side, rep).
 
Anonymous
@animuson I suspect from the title that it is not in good faith, but I'm going to go along with it.
 
(there's no way I can illustrate the path correctly in that sentence, but I'll assume everyone follows because I'm lazy)
 

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