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4:14 AM
Anyone here care to explain what a pipe is?
 
You should probably give some context before I make a smartass comment.
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@TimStone Context:
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Q: What is a "pipe" and how can it be "broken"?

MosheI've gotten the "broken pipe" error from Xcode one time too many. I'm now curious to know exactly what a pipe is. What is the concept of a "pipe" and how can it be "broken"?

Feel free to do so in the comments section there. Of course, after several such comments on a single question, you'll just be deferred to chat.
 
ffs...
In Unix-like computer operating systems (and, to some extent, Windows), a pipeline is the original software pipeline: a set of processes chained by their standard streams, so that the output of each process (stdout) feeds directly as input (stdin) to the next one. Each connection is implemented by an anonymous pipe. Filter programs are often used in this configuration. The concept was invented by Douglas McIlroy for Unix shells and it was named by analogy to a physical pipeline. Examples Simple example ls -l | less In this example, ls is the Unix directory lister, and less is an inter...
 
4:33 AM
Heh. shakes head
Oh look, my bug report was randomly bumped by spam.
 
@Shog9 - Thanks. Care to post an answer?
 
5:02 AM
@Moshe Already did... like, three years ago.
 
5:13 AM
@Shog9 - Ah, cool.
 
Morning :)
 
5:47 AM
morn .... fell asleep again
 
Me too feeling sleepy
For me It is difficult to awake early after weekend usually on Monday.
 
6:01 AM
howdy folks.
 
'Ello <various people>.
 
Lol jQuqry.
is obviously easily amused
 
6:41 AM
Some random person (note, not @random) just tried to add me on Skype with the message "I need anatomically correct web page". I was almost curious enough to indulge them. Almost.
 
@TimPost Hi,How are you?
 
@Manjot I'm well, how about you?
 
fine,you know what I got a success in running JSON webservices in Blackberry app development :)\
I am very happy today.
 
well done
 
6:45 AM
Thanks Octavian,I was thinking I wont be able to do Blackberry app development.
 
Good job :) I'm soon going to be more or less forced to really dive into Android, half of me is excited, half is quite nervous.
 
There is one thing,what we don't know is the most difficult part.
 
I'm in a position where I need to expand my knowledge of several languages beyond the basic level, all at once. Historically, my brain tends to resist that.
 
@TimPost hey, I've a flag on this quetsion can you please take a look at it?
 
@Sathya I'll join you in the lounge. One moment
@Sathya Done. Poor user will probably feel like a ping pong ball
 
6:59 AM
thanks. Indeed.
 
@TimPost I was also thinking that Is it worth to work in multi-technology or work on single technology onlt?
 
@Manjot Well, first - you have to be able to accomplish the tasks in front of you that have to be done. Sometimes, you really don't have much discretion regarding what you need to know.
 
Hmm,That is sure that I have to do the tasks given to me for survival.
 
Jin
potatos
 
With bacon? I'm actually starving at the moment, I wonder how that happened.
 
7:02 AM
@Manjot I don't think I'll ever get as proficient with another language as I am with C. That's only because I've been using it for so long. But, I don't think I'd ever do 'fun projects' with Java, even though I'm kind of forced to become competent with it.
@Manjot You always have your first true love .. and that's the one you think about at night.
 
Jin
did you guys read that blog article using SO as an example of "successful site with horrible design?"
 
@Jin it does sound familiar. Ugly sites convert.
 
@TimPost I started with Objective-C (C+SmallTalk), then Android (Java) and now playing with Blackberry (J2ME) and I am having basic knowledge only not have expertise.
 
@Jin Interesting. The article I was recalling is now well over a year old, I can't find it. But the premise seems to be basically the same.
@Jin I don't know what would be 'good' when you have so many elements that have to be put in front of someone at the same time. With sites like that, I'm just happy when the design doesn't get in my way.
 
Jin
7:08 AM
@TimPost this one is better. at least it talks about "visual polish" which I agree somewhat. the other one from a year ago just was total BS.
 
If it's the one I'm thinking of, that article was pretty rubbish.
 
Jin
you're thinking of danzambonini.com/…
 
@Jin That wasn't the one that came to mind. Grrrrr I hate it when I can't find stuff. I must have been using my other laptop
 
Jin
i love it when designers try to justify prettifying things with "usability" when they really mean visual design matching to their own tastes.
 
@Jin the one I was recalling was basically stating that when you know your target audience, and nobody but your target audience is going to find the site interesting enough to stay .. the flares and eye candy become mostly a waste of time.
 
7:11 AM
Eye-candy is good for the soul! coughs
 
Jin
@TimPost i agree with that. to me, the visual design part of the site is just a "pleasant noise," it has high diminishing return.
 
I'm working on something now that is intentionally horrible to anyone but the people I want as clients.
I think it blinded @TimStone for several hours the other day, in fact.
 
Hahah, oh, I've seen far worse ;)
 
@TimPost I honestly don't think that you can have fun with Java, with Python yes, with Scala sure but Java, nah.
 
How can you not have fun with something called Play?
 
Jin
7:16 AM
@TimStone are users on that site called Playas?
 
Heh, I called one of the users that runs that in production player :P
 
Jin
so when something goes wrong, the error msg says "don't hate the player hate the site?"
 
It seems I didn't think it through that far, hahah.
 
Jin
anyway... it's been pretty fun making these swags 'n mod cards for SE sites.
hopefully to get all of them presented this week.
 
Nifty :)
 
7:21 AM
@Jin The design of the cards is really neat.
@Jin also very handy in 40 years from now when I go completely senile.
 
Jin
@TimPost they're basically the same as our own SE employees'. just with their own unique site identity.
 
Q: Who is Jin?
A: He's that guy drawing all the pixels at Stack Exchange. One by one. With a toothbrush.
 
Jin
@badpssockpuppet uphills in the snow, both ways.
 
Oh, right. batsignals Jin on this issue in case he didn't see it
 
Jin
7:27 AM
oh yeah that's on my todo
 
For me, working with Java is like being 10 years old and forced to play with My Little Pony instead of He-man - just so an adult is kept happy that I'm playing with my cousins.
 
Good stuff
 
But, I'm trying to keep an open mind.
 
Jin
@TimStone hmm i can't repro that bug in ff 3.6.17. can you?
also doesn't happen in chrome
 
It only happens when the sort tabs aren't there.
But lemme check Firefox
 
Jin
7:30 AM
i thought the sort tab is always there?
 
Nope, if there's < 3 items it isn't shown
Yeah, repro in Firefox 3.6
 
Jin
ah ok. i can repro now. thx
 
Sure thing
 
Jin
@TimStone fix pushed
 
Nice!
 
7:59 AM
Hi
 
8:33 AM
Man, it's easy to rage on the indians on SO
but the other side of the fence isn't much better
in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 hour ago, by Lazers
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Q: Animation not loading

nomsshttp://pastebin.com/TfcVvXnF http://pastebin.com/pYD7gMK0 http://pastebin.com/AsFMgLX7 http://pastebin.com/7nXU9VL6 I'm getting Additional information: No animation is currently playing. from AnimationPlayer

Proudly from the You Es of Aye.
His SO and Programmers questions aren't much different.
 
Yea, I've been discussing that issue lately. The main problem with developer from India mostly is the language barrier. There are black sheep among all of us, no matter which country.
 
This is not true.
 
I've noticed that even if they search and find information some just are not able to understand the information.
What part of it?
 
Many developer are having fluent English as well as sharp mind also.All are not as you saying.
 
@Manjot where did he say all?
 
8:39 AM
@Sathya Nor He mention some.
 
huh?
 
you are contradicting yourself
 
What is the meaning of "Black Sheep"?
People might have Language problem.You know what 75% IT companies are providing work to Indians only.
 
That line was meant to say that it is not only Indian developer who deliver low quality content but also developers from other nations.
 
But you mention only Indians only.Please think twice while typing.
 
8:42 AM
I was referring to badps message
 
@Manjot sigh you need to read clearly.
 
The main problem with developer from India mostly is the language barrier. proof, right there.
 
@Sathya You know very well what he meant.
@tombull89 That would be issue with Japanese,German,Spanish etc also.
 
man, I give up. feel free to jump to conclusions.
 
@Sathya Don't you think what he wrote is not as correct.
 
8:44 AM
@Manjot lets try it the other way around. How did you understand that message?
 
7 mins ago, by Octavian Damiean
Yea, I've been discussing that issue lately. The main problem with developer from India mostly is the language barrier. There are black sheep among all of us, no matter which country.
 
yes that is the message I know but what did you understand and how?
 
1) Language barrier is there but not with all.
 
2) You are pointing to developers of India
 
8:46 AM
I've worked with engineers from India who speak English more correctly than many native speakers.
 
@Manjot The main problem with [...] There are black sheep among all of us, no matter which country.
 
In fact, the most sarcastic, linguistically playful person I know lives in India.
 
I'm not sure I understand the issue right now.
 
@Sathya He is abusing.
 
Abusing what and in what way?
 
8:47 AM
@Manjot no, you're misunderstanding.
 
@Sathya Not directly but by phrase you can say.
 
dude. India's not the only country out in this world.
 
@OctavianDamiean My client is from Sweden.He is also not as strong in English.
 
Which is what I said, thanks for proving my point.
 
So what It meant,Is he dumb?
 
8:48 AM
/me wonders if he'll be freezing the room tonight ....
 
Seriously what are we arguing about? I'm a bit puzzled.
 
@OctavianDamiean You explain the meaning of line you wrote
 
8 mins ago, by Octavian Damiean
That line was meant to say that it is not only Indian developer who deliver low quality content but also developers from other nations.
 
That would be your experience @OctavianDamiean
 
still puzzled
 
8:51 AM
Well of course it is my experience, whose else experience should I be talking about?
 
@OctavianDamiean No more arguments.Thanks,I got you what you think and what did it mean.
 
whow, that was strange
 
Can someone please flashy thing me now?
 
I have one as well please.
 
heh, can't find it :p /// @badp
 
8:55 AM
@TimPost Yup, I have such a friend.
 
Just one more thing left to do on my new site.. taxonomy. That's going to be interesting without using any kind of database
Well, that and make it look a bit less angry.
 
He's brilliant enough to have developed a high throughput wireless communication technique that works with one led.
The only drawback are line of sight requirement and its not working when there's fog.
 
@badpssockpuppet so he made a universal remote?
 
I think it uses visible light but I'd have to ask him
 
8:56 AM
/me ducks
 
@TimPost Yes, and it commands your television really fast
 
@badpssockpuppet nothing commands our television faster than my wife, sorry.
 
lol
 
I think she's at something like 127 channels per second , hard to count
 
8:58 AM
jesus, what an information throughput
 
The kicker : we only have 41 channels
 
We have 200 channels,
but I can switch them in 3 mins how can she 127 channels per second? :)
 
@Manjot She used to be a Jedi, then went to the dark side, then said screw it and became a channel flipping ninja.
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hilarious, absolutely hilarious. :D
 
lol
 
9:04 AM
This is one of the few days where I actually feel like I got a lot of work done. Amazing things .. these 'web pages'
 
so, has the SSDs (in the chat server(s)) made any difference?
 
9:20 AM
@tombull89 hard to tell on my end, mostly due to my connection and brain dead proxy
Does anyone get a generic "Danger!!!" screen from your browser when visiting noc3270.com ?
 
@TimPost offline for maintenance
 
^- that
 
@Sathya Yeah, it will redirect most people for now. I just want to be sure the cert is trusted
I had some issues with PEM encoded wildcard certs from RapidSSL in the past, mostly with FF
 
well no cert problems so far, at least not in Chrome
 
9:35 AM
you forgot to add a redirect to the link you had emailed me, noc3270.com/cheap_viagra.php
ducks
 
@TimPost Do you think there will be a blog post in the future? I'd like to see benchmarks to see if there is a massive, viable performance difference.
 
@badpssockpuppet Yeah, sorry about that .. I decided only to sell expensive Viagra. Don't worry, you won't be charged more, I sent you the tracking number for your order.
 
@TimPost Oh, right, you're one of those "Only the best" guys after all
@TimPost Thanks. That stuff sells like hot cakes on ebay.
 
An interesting experience might be taking LSD with Viagra, while on a tilt-a-whirl .. but someone else can try that.
 
Besides I know people who know people who know people who know people who know a certain prime minister who always makes orders in large quantities.
 
9:40 AM
wonders who that might bunga-be
 
Talking about the PM of San Marino. Obviously.
 
@tombull89 Knowing Jeff, yes. And it will be complete with graphs that have circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one ... oh wait.
 
of course, who else
 
@TimPost Alternatively he'll let balpha write it, and we'll get unicorns sliding down the graphs.
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no freehand circles?
 
9:42 AM
@TimPost Haha. Is it just one chat server that runs the rooms or are there more?
 
@tombull89 I honestly don't know.
 
(My calculus 1+2 book has dogs sliding down graphs and hippos with diving masks. One of the co-authors actually taught our class Calculus 1. He's brilliant that way.)
Wait, maybe the hippo had the tutu and the diving masks were used by birds. I forget.
 
@tombull89 We're not typically contacted unless some change might result in us doing our job differently... performance hacks and stuff really doesn't fall into that. Remember, Jeff Atwood hates e-mail.
 
Jeff built a company so that he can have others read his email
the whole Q&A shebang is just a ruse.
 
makes sense
 
9:45 AM
@badpssockpuppet No, Jeff reads his e-mail eventually. He can't hire other people to do it (you know, OSHA and all)
 
Actually I don't know
You can't hire people to have their brains numbed in your place?
Sucks.
 
@TimPost OK. I'll dare say I can go post hunting on the blog to find out more.
 
The United States Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) is an agency of the United States Department of Labor. It was created by Congress of the United States under the Occupational Safety and Health Act, signed by President Richard M. Nixon, on December 30, 1970. Its mission is to prevent work-related injuries, illnesses, and occupational fatality by issuing and enforcing standards for workplace safety and health. The agency is headed by a Deputy Assistant Secretary of Labor. The OSH Act which created OSHA also created the National Institute for Occupational Safety and...
 
Yeah, I got that far.
 
@TimPost What do you use then, Skype? Or Unicorn post (like owl post, but AWESOMER and more rainbows)?
 
9:48 AM
@tombull89 If it involves SSD's you can probably be confident that they'll be a post about it.
 
Every time I listen to youtube.com/… and reach 11:07, I feel like I gain a 10 minute immunity against anger
 
Yay :) I got the system that shuffles my specials working. I'm really looking forward to launching this.
Crap, forgot geek porn in footer links. [status-fixing]
 
10:15 AM
I wish SO had some sort of marketplace for quick jobs. I'd spend money there.
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hi guys
 
@Damodar Hi how are you?
 
@Manjot fine dude, you?
 
@tombull89 No, somewhere where someone could say "I need this drawn" or "I need this fixed" with a minimum price of $100
 
@Damodar Where were you?
 
10:21 AM
@Manjot :) office....
 
@tombull89 Every time I think about it at length, the idea becomes horrible. But, still a wish.
 
@Damodar I thought you were busy :)
 
@Manjot ya since week iam busy....
@TimPost hi dude, how are you?
 
Hi @Damodar, I'm well.. how about you?
 
@Damodar Ok
 
10:23 AM
@TimPost fine dude... but busy with office work....
 
@TimPost I remember there's something like that IRL, people ask for something on a site and give a price, you "sign up" for the jobs and then once you get it to them you get paid. Not quite $100 though.
 
@TimPost I like the way you teach :)
 
@tombull89 The idea is far from baked, in fact, it lacks ingredients.
Is there a list of IP's that w3c uses for their validator?
@Manjot The way I teach?
@Manjot most of my students hate me, at least for a short while :)
 
@TimPost may be because they are your students :)
 
10:44 AM
@TimPost Just read your latest blog post and I gotta say wow. The sad part about it is that I actually do recognize myself in certain paragraphs. I should work on that.
 
@OctavianDamiean I'm glad you found it useful.
 
11:02 AM
not again
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hmmm, I think a Stack Overflow blog planet could be interesting
 
@OctavianDamiean blogoverflow.com ?
 
no no, I mean a site on which you can register your blog much like the Ubuntu blog planet
 
Well, there aren't a lot any other blogs that talk about SE exclusively, not even Jeff or Joel's
 
I guess today I really suck at getting my idea communicated but now that I sit back and think about it again it doesn't really make sense anymore.
 
11:10 AM
Anyway, food safety is pretty scary in China. You have melanine in milk, recycled oil sold in supermarkets and random god-knows-what food additives added into everything you eat
 
Now that's an interesting topic change...
 
Indeed :P
 
lol its melamine
melanine is a skin pigment.
 
Eh, no spell check on this computer for whatever reason
 
it would be a valid word
 
11:13 AM
Until now I thought the Chinese traditionally hated milk in the first place
 
Anyway, our chemistry teacher explained in detail how adding that stuff to milk helps pass off normal milk for high protein ones
 
@Reno thats why they put melamine in there
 
@Reno They don't usually drink it, which is why, eh, a lot of people are lactose intolerent, which is why they don't drink it... or something
 
wow Wikipedia says 95% lactose intolerance
 
11:52 AM
That would explain why ice cream lands me on my office couch with a pillow.
I can't believe that I just viewed something I had been testing for weeks only in FF and Chrome with IE and actually liked the results.
The only difference, no rounded corners. Happy happy joy joy happy happy joy joy
now I just have to make it look better
And, well, IE needs a little more coaching with list styles that everything else seems to inherit. No biggie :)
 
12:45 PM
Hi @Moshe , How are you?
@Moshe Have you used iCloud app?
 
1:05 PM
in The Comms Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 24 mins ago, by tombull89
halp...just going back though my old questions (searching for dead images) and in this answer it points to a link which is now dead.
 
Hey somebody. Do you think you could help ?
I have ... I think, stupid question and I do not want to make an question for it ... What should I do ?
 
probably? we can't tell
Ask a question if it is ok to ask stupid questions. :D
 
Does accept-rate mean that if I would go and accept ALL my questions, I would have 100% accept rate ?
 
well yes but you should really only accept answers that really answer the question
 
In thoery, yes, although don't go accepting any old answer just to get your % up.
 
1:16 PM
Okay, I know :) THanks for an answer. And does up-votes down-votes affect ranking/some rate?
 
yes they do it is described in the faq
 
@tombull89: I'm not going to. It was just question ;)
I know that it does affect rep, but some percentage?
 
Question downvote is -2 to asker (I think) and no cost to downvoter.
 
I don't understand. What do you mean by some percentage? Percentage of what?
 
I know that. But. Is there some down-up rate as accept rate?
 
1:19 PM
oh, no
 
You could probably write a SEDE query...or just use a calculator to work it out.
 
you can however view your cumulative up and down votes in your profile and calculate it yourself
 
Okay, thanks :)
 
meh tombull you beat me to it
 
XDD
I'll vanish
 
1:21 PM
Haha. Stick around, it's nice to have some new blood in chat.
 
well you are welcome in here, we don't bite (except of my unicorn when it is hungry)
 
(muahaha)
 
2:08 PM
uh...someone got confused about commenting on my answer:
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A: Stack Exchange Data Explorer not fully working

tombull89I'm going to say this is OK now.

 
Hi @tombull89, sup?
 
Hey Moshe.
My answer above, someones commented on it...well...
Just got a teacher up to the office having problems with her loan laptop. She said she had the same problem with her old one and when she gets it back she'll show me what it was. Her previous one had a smashed screen so she woun't be showing me it any time soon, plus when we get it back from repair we'll probably re-image it anyway.
 
2:24 PM
@tombull89 - lol. Interesting... Know anything about iOS dev?
 
@Moshe woargh not you as well.
 
@tombull89 What?
 
Sorry :P More of a sysadmin rather than programmer.
 
I'm just asking, I'm not a troll, despite popular belief.
@tombull89 Ah, ok.
@tombull89 Well, if she had the same problem and the problem is a smashed screen, whats to show? :P
 
We've had a few recent...vistors...to chat asking about iOS/Blackberry dev. A lot.
 
2:25 PM
Seriously though, repeat problems may be an indication of poor computing habits.
 
It's a smashed screen, she's not going to get it back any time soon.
 
Those visitors are trolls, with such reputation, I'm an SO member for over a year. I've tried to contribute. And, I can spell.
ducks
Hi @Zypher!
 
Oh god! It's a blue! Quick, look busy.
 
Lol.
@Zypher - I take it you've been busy? I'm working on another game.
 
howday ... @Moshe yep they do seem to keep me buys round here :)
@tombull89 don't worry we see you always anyway
 
2:29 PM
@Zypher Indeed, it seems so. If you have a chance, you should have received a testflight email for said game. I'd love feedback if you have a chance.
In other news, we need a campaign to de-mistify computing for the general public.
PCs shouldn't come with spec manuals, they need one page explaining the Windows UI (if that's possible).
Also, it never ceases to amaze me how many people just need to learn the following line:
> For every alloc, retain, copy, or new, you must have a corresponding release or autorelease.
 
Uh...@Zypher, your gravatar isn't a SE datacenter, is it?
 
@tombull89 nope
 
2:44 PM
Ok folks, go tear apart my latest feature request on meta.
:-)
lol
 
I don't think pre-emptive answers is a bad thing. However you're on -2 already so others obviusly don't agree.
 
@tombull89 Ah well, I kinda knew it would get ripped to pieces, but that's okay.
"You tore me to pieces... and threw every piece into a fire... and it hurt so much because... I was so happy for you."
 
...for Science.
 
Well, I tried. I still think that we need some kind of instructional wiki.
All I can say is that I have a valid reason to have low rep on meta:
I dare to suggest new things.
 
3:11 PM
@Reno there's no such thing as melanine. You're thinking of melanin.
 
4:04 PM
@PopularDemand could be en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melamine which is used as a sort of plastic :p
It would definitely change the hue of a person's skin
 
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