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12:00 AM
like biking mixes, upbeat, downbeat, etc playlists
 
How that was not evident I'll never know.
 
LOL
@drachenstern as opposed to organizational lists, like "Rush", "Yellowcard", "Breaking Benjamin", or smartlists like "3+ Stars"
but yes, I thought it was pretty obvious too
 
@TheOyNotFoundException no, I think those are harder to parseout :p
 
LOL
Well I think drachenstern is hard to parse out. So there! :-p
 
Mine are "Beatles", "Fatboy and such", "Purchased on iPhone" (duh), "Random for syncing", "Genius Playlist" [at least, these are the lists my iPhone knows about)
 
12:04 AM
@TheOyNotFoundException I was mainly just looking for interesting things on your screen.
Like the fact that you haven't listened to a podcast
 
@TylerChacha I made sure there was nothing interesting before posting ;-)
 
or that your last name is Gitlin
 
@TylerChacha I don't do podcasts
@TylerChacha this is not evidenced by the fact that my website is josh.gitlin.name ?
;-)
 
@TheOyNotFoundException I don't see how that is relevant. I've never even attempted to find your website...
 
What you can't see from that image is where I live...
 
12:07 AM
Bah, the worst part about writing a book is actually having to sit down and write it...
 
Why are you writing a book?
 
(That's where I live)
@TylerChacha And what is the book about?
 
So I think I've decided to accept the fates and register the domains jcolebrand.[com,org,info,net] as they are available. Anybody recommend a host?
 
@drachenstern a webhost or a registrar?
 
er, registrar I guess. Someone to do DNS for me. I'll figure out the rest later. More like making a reservation atm.
 
12:09 AM
@TheOyNotFoundException @drachenstern Me and two other people form my robotics team want to create manuals that allow team mates to get into knowing how the robot works very quickly
There are 3 books: Build, Wire, and Code.
 
@TylerChacha ahhhhh
 
@TylerChacha don't look at my phone like that, I just downloaded 19 podcasts that I haven't listened to yet (good to queue things up)
 
I'm authoring Code
 
@TylerChacha if that wasn't EVIDENT by now, I'm afraid you need to spend more time in chat :p
 
once we finish them, it will be available online, and people will be able to order Collector Editor-style hard copies. Each hard copy will also have one donated to a new team
 
12:17 AM
Nice @TylerChacha
 
12:29 AM
I started teaching my brother some programming.
My parents will be thrilled </sarcasm>
 
12:57 AM
I'm very impressed with myself and the answer to this question:
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A: Building sub-tree with correlated aggregate

Hogandeclare @ID int; set @ID = 1; with extrarows as ( select t.id, null as parent, v.BitMask as total from tree t join BitValues v on t.id = v.id where t.id = @ID union all select t.id, r.id, v.BitMask | r.total from extrarows r join Tree t on r.id = t.parentid join Bit...

No word yet from the OP :{
 
Redoing tylercarter.org to feature projects I'm involved with, such as the books
There is another one that I'm not sure I can publicize just yet
 
1:25 AM
@TheOyNotFoundException Er, doesn't look related. Taking a closer look on iTunes.
No, not related
 
Wes
2:04 AM
anyone still around?
 
2:17 AM
yes
 
Never!
 
Hi
Continuing on my book
 
Still relooking at tylercarter.org and how it is structured..
I'm going to reorder some links
For instance, putting the Resume (renaming to 'About Me' or 'Who is this?') in front.
 
@TylerChacha I would just call it resume on the link
 
2:26 AM
Ok...
:P
 
I mean, I would put it out front and I would call it "Resume" not "About Me" or "Who is This" or something
 
Just seems non-creative
 
This will be your portfolio amongst other things, show it off
when I put my website up (yeah right, like that's ever gonna happen) I'm gonna do just that thing
 
I think I'm going to keep the current color order though..
I like it..
 
So who wants to help me design a windows app ... how it will function that is.
I know what the intent will be, but I don't know how best to achieve it.
 
2:31 AM
And the intent is?
 
I want to upload files in the background, a-la dropbox. I guess I should run as a userspace app (as opposed to a system service or a gui app)
If it's a service it can upload for any users that "opt-in" and can run even if the computer is "logged off" but not "shutdown"
 
How do the users select the files?
 
So there will be a configuration gui that will designate the folders to upload and the ones to not upload. I wanted to keep it simple, not give specific file-level granularity.
So if I can borrow from the recent tragedy in the southeast US
Imagine a computer user who had a bunch of photos on their computer. The computer got destroyed in the tornado. The pictures are gone.
 
Have you read Dropbox's response to why they didn't like the specific folder uploading thing?
 
I want to make a service that lets them upload their photos to a webserver, and allows them to share the photos and even upload them to other sites like Facebook (I'll write an app for that later)
I did not
I wanted something my mom could use and not have to fuss with
 
2:35 AM
sec
 
something my sister-in-laws could do and not have to mess with
 
@TylerChacha I'm all for embiggening my knowledge pool ;)
 
He gives some good points against the select-a-folder thing. But a few of them are more Dropbox specific than what you want to do
 
Yeah, I like what I'm seeing here, still reading, thoughts in a moment
> Before people actually started using Dropbox I probably would have tried to take the naive approach (ask you which folders you want to sync) but ultimately didn't have time to build it.
I want to build this and only release it when I think its ready, so I have the time to build it. Regardless.
> We like having the invariant that Dropbox doesn't force you to make any decisions during the installation process. This means there's nothing to screw up. Email, password, nextnextnextdone.
 
2:39 AM
@drachenstern I assumed that
 
the default is going to be "My Pictures" on Windows XP etc and the Pictures Library on systems that support "libraries"
So when it gets started it's just going to start uploading on confirmation
> Opting in a bunch of stuff during installation for most people would blow past the free 2GB quota,
 
Libraries.... thats a combination of folders..
 
It's intended right now for a private audience, so I have to figure out what to do to manage that ... I don't know if 2GB is good or if they each need 20GB or what. Disks get larger every day. By the time this is ready, 20GB may be easy to give away for free.
@TylerChacha yeah, but it's a "place" for most people
I only intend to target pictures. I realize that people will want to abuse the system, but I will figure out how to block that in the future. I want to tackle the larger problems now, how to sync folders, how to run the program, setup a basic webserver to accept the files, how to store them on the server, etc.
 
yep
I imagine the webstore is pretty simple
 
The problem I have with dropbox is that people have to put the files or folders in the dropbox folder. This is going to be aimed at less than tech-savvy users, so I'm kinda anti-specific folder right now
@TylerChacha what's that?
 
2:43 AM
I mean the API for storing the files
You set up some basic auth (Dropbox uses a hash-auth-system), and then you just have a script accept a file and a hash
Would be nice if there was an extremely efficient way of storing pictures on a server
I wonder how Facebook does it..
Live Mesh did the folder selection thing..
Only problem is it was a 5GB limit
You should probably have some sort of 'Mark' system, where users can Mark folders to be uploaded
Then you have a queue of marked folders and you'd just go through each and process it at certain internvals
You could even hash the folder and compare it to the server to see if anything changed
 
sorry, was doing some moderator things ... back, lemme read up
sorry, now I'm on a phone call ... lovely
 
np :)
 
@TylerChacha yeah, I plan on having a list of selectable folders, and the default will be just that, a default. Otherwise they can add to or remove from that list at will.
I plan on having options for "sync with server on remove" etc.
 
You worry about security -- you might end up like dropbox -- they were doing well then they messed up the security now everyone is running.
 
Wes
2:59 AM
@drachenstern I think an app like that probably should use rented cloudspace that charges only for what you use
sorry guys had to go away from the computer for a bit
@drachenstern I think an app like that probably should use rented cloudspace that charges only for what you use
sorry guys had to go away from the computer for a bit
 
Just read about the Facebook Messages Infastructure... blah
Ok people. Really important question.
Where should I go to design/buy Business Cards?
 
Wes
dunno sorry
 
rather, I know where I can buy them. But where can I find someone good at designing them?
 
What rep does it take to talk in chatroom?
 
20
lucky I have a +200 rep account already, so I can talk in virtually every chat room
 
Wes
3:09 AM
sorry i've no idea
 
Where's my Jetpack?
 
@TylerChacha I do them myself when I'm not given them by the company
@TylerChacha I have +100 association bonus on all new sites ;)
 
@drachenstern Ya... that's what I was saying..
Once you get a +200 account, every new account gets 100 rep starting out
 
Ah, I thought it had to be higher than that
 
nope
 
Wes
3:14 AM
nope even I get that
gonna get few hours kip on sofa
see you all
 
sad... there is some poor sap stuck and it would easy to help him if I could chat with him but I can't take the back and forth in coments anymore.
 
@Hogan link us his profile, we'll give him a bump
 
I think he might have logged.
having trouble with the concept of code behind vs ajax etc.
 
ok, one more upvoter
that's +10
er, rather that's +15 so that's done
 
heh
cheer!
but I think he logged already :(
 
3:21 AM
alright then
I don't mind upvoting someone to +20. I know how to bring my upvotes back out again later ;)
 
?
oh... edit then unvote?
heh
 
The 3K cheat.
 
I look at it as judicious use of the system. If I feel they really deserve to keep the upvotes I don't have to remove them.
 
only 79 away from 7k... I'm all a tingle.
 
3:25 AM
@Hogan You don't get anything at 7k?
 
True...
 
See, I stopped putting in effort when I could get anything else
 
After 3K you don't get anything till 10 -- have to take the thrills where one can find em.
 
you get something at 5k
 
oh... I guess that happened after I got 5k and I didn't notice.
 
3:27 AM
"approve tag wiki edits"
Not exactly something interesting...
 
yeah but it takes many of those, versus one at 20k, or something like that
 
And honestly, as much as I'd love to have 20k rep, Editing Tag Wikis just isn't that exciting..
20k you get the ability to edit them yourself
Which is something I never understood. If someone suggests an edit, I should be able to 1-click approve them, since I have to ability to edit it myself..
I could just click 'Improve' and do nothing and achieve the same result..
 
Yep
I am happy and content with 4300
 
@TylerChacha An example of a well designed user interface.
 
Also the privileges thing is very vague about the peer review system..
 
3:31 AM
@drachenstern I was happy over 3k then at some point I noticed I was over 5 and decided to "go for 10" It hasn't happened as quickly as I'd like. Seems they want me to do real work.
 
If you come across vagueness on stuff like that, it's almost always on purpose. You can always come here and pester @RebeccaChernoff if you want more details.
 
this is underlined by the fact that the only way I can get to the review system is to manually enter in the URL...
 
Also, there are a lot more users now... harder to get points.
 
I say I said pester @RebeccaChernoff thar now son, pester
 
@RebeccaChernoff Why is the Privileges Page so Vague about the Peer Review System?
 
3:32 AM
o:
 
@RebeccaChernoff And why isn't there a link to /review somewhere....
 
and that's my best Foghorn Leghorn impression on chat.
 
pester @drachenstern, he knows all about it
runs
@TylerChacha there is!
 
lmao, I know nuthing
nuuuthing
 
WHERE?!?!?!?!
 
3:32 AM
It just showed up today... that does not count!
 
Discounting the annoying bubbly thing that only comes up when I'm not looking for it..
 
@RebeccaChernoff cheated.
@TylerChacha You will find it the next time you try to click on chat.
 
@RebeccaChernoff ..........................................................
@RebeccaChernoff I just saw it on Meta..
 
@TylerChacha It is on SO too... just showed up a few hours ago.
 
You people are desssssssssssspicable...
It isn't on SO..
Or it isn't there for 10ks
 
3:35 AM
Ah, I see. Will show in the header if 200<rep<10000. >10000 you get the tools link, and a link to review is likely being added there.
 
@Hogan @RebeccaChernoff doesn't cheat. She says and it is the truth. You should learn that by now. Watch her hit us with an "Oy" as proof. ;)
@RebeccaChernoff that is what was said earlier today
 
I really wish there was more rhyme/reason to the 10k tools page. All of those links are just annoying..
 
@RebeccaChernoff is there a reason rome can't chat on so -- he has more than 20 rep but it says he does not
 
@Hogan We don't like him :)
 
How long has he had >20 rep?
 
3:37 AM
30 mins
 
@Hogan it takes a few minutes for updates, like every hour or something
 
it was @TylerChacha's fault
 
there's definitely cross-site caching that takes time
 
No it was not...
 
(tries to look innocent)
 
3:38 AM
@drachenstern Indeed, but I was around 2K when you said I'd hit 3K first.
I'm at 6K now
 
link me to his chat profile and I will sync it.
 
@Moshe did you hit 3k before me?
 
@drachenstern I don't know. You said something about me hitting some number before you and I did.
 
chat profile (:
 
err.
oh!
 
3:40 AM
I don't know if it was 3 or 4 or 5K.
 
As in, the page that contains the button I need to click. q:
that's the same link (;
 
click
aaaaah!
 
Oh yeah, that's right chat.stackoverflow.com/users/705606/rome how's that @RebeccaChernoff
 
Finally!
 
nice @drachenstern
 
3:41 AM
It doesn't work when it's a chat profile, because it links back to the host site profile
I forgot about that till I posted it
 
@Hogan done
Oh. I don't think I knew that.
Ok. I apologize for the mocking. q:
 
Yeah, we've complained about it before, just not loudly
 
naw it is ok... I like being mocked.
 
it's caused this confusion at other times
@Hogan >.> ... o.O ... I think you have ... um ... yeah, ok
 
oh! Did I type that out loud?
 
3:43 AM
@Hogan ping.
neatly places star on self deprecation
 
!! It left?
I guess losing a star is a form of being mocked, so I should not complain.
 
It seems they all leave lately ...
 
I'm think RC might have had something to do with it.
 
I doubt that
 
Someone removed that star for me!
Thief!
@Hogan I starred. I must have unstarred by mistake. Using the built in trackpad, tapping might have done it.
Sorry.
 
3:54 AM
hmm...
maybe you are a star tease? <-- this is a joke
 
Uh. No.
 
:D
 
@Moshe that wasn't it either. There is a room owner amongst us, policing occasionally.
 
@drachenstern TylerChacha?
 
ut oh (paranoia sets in)
 
3:57 AM
ruh roh
re reed rikireaks rack! rut roes rit ray rabout rchern?
 
too many rs
 
(Yep, wikileaks and scooby doo in one message. Epic.)
 
even scooby got some other sounds out
 
@drachenstern - ok, how would you do it?
 
hell if I know
 
3:59 AM
haha
 
first find a dawg that can talk...
 
@Hogan No, first I find a dog that runs around with a bunch of hippie kids and then I teach it to talk.
 
@Moshe true
 
nah, easier to find a dog that can talk, and then get hippie kids to see it, and they'll stay of their own accord
 
Raybee
@drachenstern Rook, a rippie rith a rot of rubble on his rin!
 
4:04 AM
@drachenstern are you seeing the conversation with rome?
lol... leaving for lunch.
 
@Hogan Heh, rith rome!
 
I wasn't paying it attention, do I need to?
 
I'm running into the inevitable fact that I have to create my own scripts to make my blogging experience seamless...
 
no... but it is sad
 
The problem I'm having is that I want to push my Google Reader shares over to my blog as individual entries
 
4:06 AM
because ... he's inexperienced and asked to build something bigger than he understands?
 
and I asked him at the start ... are you starting that page that way or responding to an event
he said starting and then soon after changed his story.
 
I saw that part, then tuned out
search.cpan.org/dist/Locale-Maketext/lib/Locale/Maketext/… Localization and Internationalization i18n l10n
 
5:02 AM
@TheOyNotFoundException $35 for 6 domains sound like a good deal? I think so
1&1
 
5:31 AM
and I'm out for the night. Ciaociao
 
 
4 hours later…
9:34 AM
Hm. It appears the JS engine handles 0x50 nested blockquotes faster than the C# implementation does.
Well I think I hit a bug there.
A 640×82169 blockquote is not what I expected.
A 640×5003 blockquote is more like it.
 
9:51 AM
So if nobody answers your bounty, you don't get your rep back?
 
@Erick yup, that's correct
 
@ErickRobertson yup, what's paid's paid.
Sucks :(
(I mean, it sucks the bounty was ineffective, your not getting your bounty back is by design)
 
 
1 hour later…
11:05 AM
hi, i found
maybe merge into
which is in 35 types more popular
i can't imagine where from did it come
@Marc, can I ask you?
 
11:29 AM
lemme check...
done
 
thank you!
 
@drachenstern yes that's a pretty good deal
 
user153011
11:49 AM
oy
 
12:02 PM
@MarcGravell 10ks need a link to /review/ somewhere...
Right now 2k users get it in the top bar, but 10ks don't.
 
user153011
@TylerChacha it will be in tools
 
12:42 PM
I must write a blog post on comment bots. They are so funny. Especially the ones that try to sneak Polish in there.
Oh, Good morning folks. Anyone here at the moment?
 
Sort of.
 
Heh. Classic.
 
1:44 PM
And the bug reports are rrrrolling in.
At least that means I have users worldwide. Hooray for bug reports in incomprehensible gibberish!
 
Well, I suppose that there's a high probability that they can't make it any worse, so.
 
2:01 PM
My company got a submission on our contact us form... we can hire a PHP developer for only $0.99/hr USD!
 
Well, that screams quality
 
Oh yes please, sign me up for that!
@TimStone absolutely. I'm sure it will be the best PHP code I have ever seen.
Because I'll probably end up writing it myself in response to SO questions, LOL
"Hmmm, this question is asking how to do what I just hired a developer to do.... hmmmm..."
 
:D
 
2:27 PM
@TimeStone: Are you Busy
 
At the moment, very busy.
 
@RebeccaChernoff ;) thought you might like this meetup.com/stackoverflow/Downtown/101408
@TheOyNotFoundException HA!
 
2:43 PM
@drachenstern: Seeing, you makes me Happy , See My Simile hehehehehehehehhehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
 
@SankarGanesh And I am glad to see you too sir (do you see what I did there?)
 
@drachenstern: My Humble request donot call me as Sir, Simply call me as Sankar Ganesh or Use my Nick Name "Tilsan The Fighter"
 
@SankarGanesh it's not so much a formality thing in the US as just another indirect noun-reference. If it were formal, it would be as this: "Sir Sankar". When it is "glad to see you too sir" it's informal.
 
@drachenstern cool, Well done job, but i m able to come to US,lol
 
Additionally Sankar, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but it's not necessary to post on our local meetup just to show that you recognize that I posted there, especially when I personally posted that link in this room (and linked it to someone else as well)
 
2:47 PM
hmmmmm
 
It's just that it is a local discussion, amongst people who should attend ;)
If they want to chat, they are more than welcome to come here.
 
Well said, My drachenster
 
There's a limit on question asking now.
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Q: 70 question limit?

BlankmanI get a message: Sorry, you are only allowed to ask 70 questions in a 30 day period Why is there a question limit? 70/month is just not enough :)

 
@TheOyNotFoundException ?
 
3:13 PM
that's a lot of questions, but I too was unaware of that limit
 
This:
> "I hadn't realized there was a limit" -- This limit has only been in existance for a couple of hours. The actual message is "Sorry, you are only allowed to ask 70 questions in a 30 day period"; it's (currently) only active on the trilogy sites. – balpha♦ 28 mins ago
 
@PopularDemand sorry, work distracted me mid-thought :-p
 
@TheOyNotFoundException It's cool.
@drachenstern What's really "wow" is that someone activated that error message within a couple hours of it existing.
 
I know
 
3:23 PM
I didn't. But I do now
 
YOU
Wow!, Rebecca Chernoff do codegolfing, Impressed!
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A: 1P5: Nested boxes

Rebecca ChernoffC# - 1005 characters using System;using System.Linq;class N{static void Main(string[]args){new N();}N(){var i=R();var z=i.O(0,i.G().X);Console.WriteLine(z);}I R(){var s=Console.ReadLine();int l=0;if(int.TryParse(s,out l)){var b=new B(l);for(int i=0;i<l;i++){b.m[i]=R();}return b;}else{return n...

 
Has anyone handled the flag on this question? I can't add the tag myself.
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Q: Total, valid, invalid, and pending flag counts in flagging summary

DragonLordI would like to have a count of the total, valid, invalid, and pending flag counts in the flagging summary at <SE site>/users/flag-weight/<userid> similar to the following: Flags issued: 25 total, 23 valid, 1 invalid, 1 pending Thanks.

 
@YOU The real question is from where in SE's code did she steal that?
 
Shhh!!!!!!!!!!! We don't want people to know that's what the code really looks like!
 
@TimStone Maybe the code that was breaking tags with the "Mouseless" Firefox extension? :P
 
3:35 PM
@YOU I don't do codegolf, heh. It is part of the 1P5 initiative PCG is doing, and Jeff pointed it out to the SE devs encouraging participation.
So I gave it a go.
 
Ah, nifty.
 
YOU
@RebeccaChernoff, Aww, nice to know that. May be thats why balpha did it on another one.
1
A: Build a small and balanced mobile

balphaPython 2. I'm cheating a little bit: I only construct mobiles with one horizontal. I have a feeling (but I haven't proven it) that the optimal mobile under the given conditions actually always does only have one horizontal. I just do stupid brute-forcing: The given weights are shuffled random...

 
Dunno, I don't speak for @balpha*.
*Unless it suits me to do so, of course.
 
Oh, and @RebeccaChernoff, I suppose you'll get your wish.
 
Oh sure. When I ask, it is "pffffffffffffffft" q:
 
3:38 PM
I had a change of heart ;)
 
@RebeccaChernoff, since there is now a "Your flagging history" section on the right side of the flagging summary, can you look at the flag on this question?
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Q: Total, valid, invalid, and pending flag counts in flagging summary

DragonLordI would like to have a count of the total, valid, invalid, and pending flag counts in the flagging summary at <SE site>/users/flag-weight/<userid> similar to the following: Flags issued: 25 total, 23 valid, 1 invalid, 1 pending Thanks.

I'm trying to have replaced with .
Only a moderator can make this tag change.
 
@DragonLord Just flag it
 
@MichaelMrozek, a flag already exists on this question.
 
YOU
@DragonLord, there is around 29 moderators there on meta, you flag will soon get completed.
 
@YOU, 19 mods per the about page
 
3:43 PM
Ha, he toooooold @YOU!
 
WHAT!!!!!! A Jon Skeet answer that wasn't upvoted? Somebody lock this page so it can't be altered EVAR! This is for posterity!
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Q: Does .NET assembly size affect performance?

BlankmanHi, Does the size of a .net assembly affect performance at all? How about the number of assemblies in your windows forms/web forms project?

 
YOU
@DragonLord, thats incomplete
 
If so, can @JeffAtwood update the page?
 
@DragonLord why @JeffAtwood? He's kinda busy ya know i.imgur.com/GlgQ3.png
 
It isn't incomplete. It just doesn't list employees.
 
YOU
3:46 PM
@RebeccaChernoff, Dori, and Shog9 aren't employee? and Alex Miller?
 
Oh, okay. Thanks for clarifying.
 
@drachenstern oy q:
 
@RebeccaChernoff :p
 
@RebeccaChernoff, thanks for editing the tags. I gotta go.
 
@YOU Eh, there's some funkiness with the way it is handled, but it is on a todo list somewhere. q:
 
YOU
3:50 PM
I see :)
 
user153011
@RebeccaChernoff Nice to see pictures of employees!
 
That isn't a new page... (;
 
user153011
I haven't seen it yet, though.
 
YOU
To figure out who is Zypher on that about/team page, I needed to do view source. :D
 
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