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Q: DOM elements attached to the window object via their ID -- expected behavior?

balphaI just stumbled over a weird issue (a combination of Stack Overflow JavaScript and a user script someone was running) that I could trace back to the fact that the user script was was accessing a variable that no longer existed (because we made some changes in the SO JS). But instead if being und...

 
I predict that bobince or one of the other JS gurus will turn up and point to a little-known side-effect in the ECMAScript spec that makes this expected behaviour.
 
@balpha What version of Firefox? Because I get undefined for both.
 
@TimStone 3.6.15
 
@balpha Hm..
 
9:14 PM
@What you were right, he answered it 7 months ago :)
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A: IE/Chrome: are DOM tree elements global variables here?

bobinceWhat is supposed to happen is that ‘named elements’ are added as apparent properties of the document object. This is a really bad idea, as it allows element names to clash with real properties of document. IE made the situation worse by also adding named elements as properties of the window obje...

 
@balpha no waaay! I swear I didn't remember that one :)
Although I may have been subconsciously inspired by it.
 
Yeah, and I was just reading the HTML5 idiocy that standardized that. grumbles
 
Argh, standardized? That is bad
I mean, who needs this?
 
Only the people who were too clueless to do it correctly in the first place, and why we have any reason to care about them, I don't know.
 
@badp you need to change your user name to "where" now. We'll make an incredible trio.
 
9:17 PM
@What How about Whence?
 
@badpssockpuppet even better!
 
But then I'll bring Welbog in denial.
 
Additionally, we'll need a Wherefore
 
in Let's get philosophical, Feb 14 at 2:45, by ALL CAPS
You are not the way of goats. You are not the way of goats.
in Let's get philosophical, Feb 14 at 2:45, by ALL CAPS
YOU ARE NOT THE WAY OF GOATS
 
Sorry, need an upload, gone again
 
9:19 PM
@drachenstern you can do that on SO proper as well, it's easier
Ask question -> upload image -> fetch URL -> go away
 
@What I often find it easier to do it in the answer field, since I'm usually on a question already and that means one less click.
 
@GraceNote true, even better
 
9:37 PM
I can't help but think that 'e' reminds me of something. I can't quite pin what is it I'm recalled of, but it's quite that thing.
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O_o
I don't remember that happening to me, it must not like you :P
Hahah, it seems that Facebook has taken a play from the SO book and now uses Enter to submit comments.
 
@drachenstern @Zypher @Fosco - There is yet another build that just went out. It's supposed to be #11, but it will appear to be #9.
 
Gottal love it
 
9:54 PM
@ircmaxell - Gotta love what?
 
@TimStone I'm sure their users were furious for about 20 minutes
 
I dunno
 
I should post "Jeff says if this question gets 1000000 upvotes he'll change comment submission back" to meta
 
gets a whip ready
 
10:01 PM
@MichaelMrozek For April Fool's, we should switch the submission key to the space bar.
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@TimStone I'll assume by "we" you mean "people who have considerably more power than us" :)
 
@MichaelMrozek User script.
 
(I only see a lowercase "r" for whatever reason)
 
@MichaelMrozek I like to dream.
@badpssockpuppet Hahah, yeah, that's what happens for me as well.
 
@mmyers Well that's no fun. Everyone needs to suffer together
 
10:02 PM
@TimStone Well, I have no clue why because the TTF font I tell it to use seems fine
 
I like plans that only cause pain to people smarter than me.
 
@badpssockpuppet Oh, now I see something else, some purple lines. Also, Marc Gravell is the page's favicon?
 
@TimStone The purple lines are a second bug, I blame the encoder for that however. Also the page title should read 208,150.
 
Yeah, the page title is correct for me. Also, I can see the font fine in the Resources view, so there's definitely no problem there.
 
Something might be going to happen momentarily.
 
10:05 PM
The whole page looks fine to me \o/
 
@MichaelMrozek Yeah, it's probably a bug with the current copy of Chrome Dev for Windows.
Also I get to blame balpha for how the thing doesn't even start to load on IE9 (his with_plugin function uses addEventListener. Oh well.)
 
Hmm, same thing happens in Chrome stable.
 
Not that I care about its not working on IE9.
 
Oh, if you disable the text shadow you get the whole "reputation"...weird.
 
I switched to a different font.
It's less dotty however :(
 
10:15 PM
Ah ha
It's probably related to this
 
@TimStone I see.
That font isn't easy to render indeed.
 
But it looks oh so awesome. :(
 
@TimStone It looks more awesome when every rep diff doesn't make the thing go OMGWTF
unless I managed to break the CSS transitions
Okay, I switched it back to Jon Skeet
But yes, it can definitely use more bling.
Or at least faster polling than once a minute.
Oh well moves along
 
@badpssockpuppet Just was able to see it in Safari 5, on my unstolen MacBook.
 
"unstolen"?
@Moshe The BigDots version?
 
10:29 PM
@badpssockpuppet My iMac was stolen over last weekend.
 
Yeah, must be a bug with Windows.
@Moshe Aw. :(
 
@badpssockpuppet Yea, I'm soooo ticked off.
 
With the source code of your game, I'm afraid?
 
@badpssockpuppet No, that's on my MacBook.
 
Not that they'll check the contents
I guess that's some kind of relief.
 
10:30 PM
It's password protected, I disabled single user login, or whatever its called
@badpssockpuppet In a sense it's a relief, but a) My game hasn't earned me any money yet. Apple has a minimum payout. b) They can't log in, so I can't remotely log in.
@Whom - Are you formerly Jin?
I noticed that @Pekka change his name to @What.
My question is @Why?
 
@Moshe No, that's Welbog.
 
@Moshe Are you telling me you can't tell the difference between completely different hexagrams?
 
@mmyers Yes, I am.
what's a hexagram?
waits for wiki link
(wiki link, not to be confused with wiki leak)
 
Jin's is 010101 and Welbog's is 110110, if broken lines are coded as 1.
 
@badpssockpuppet - I just realized that my original Artwork may be on my iMac. goes to check if he has it here too
 
10:34 PM
My Welbog alarm went off.
 
Someone linked to my website from this channel.
I'm going to have you arrested for theft of my highly intellectual property, Tim Post.
 
I sense a disturbance in the Welbog.
Yeah, someone was admiring the CSS earlier.
 
I can see that.
At least no one has asked me "how this website is designed ?" this time.
Now I will retreat to my philosophical domain.
 
And with a soft gust of air, the pronoun vanished.
 
10:38 PM
Hmm, should I go to the Apple Store?
I am not going to buy a new one now, but I want to see the iPad 2.
 
@Moshe for this (the comments directly underneath)
 
@Moshe I'm getting 'Unable to download "Nippon"' cancel/retry... retried a few times.
i guess it's a testflight issue, will try a reboot.
 
@Fosco hang on...
 
no dice... even deleted it and tried again, doesn't work.
 
@Fosco One second
@Fosco - I'm going to rebuild and archive again. I've just updated Xcode to version 4. Let's see how painful this will be.
@Fosco - In the meantime, how is gameplay? Is rotation working?
 
10:50 PM
haven't been able to launch it, this version at least...
 
@What - Hehe. Cool.
@Fosco Didn't launch?
 
it wont install
 
I'm confused.
Oh, what about previous versions?
 
previous versions all fine
 
Wait, @Fosco, what happens? - please start from the email.
 
10:51 PM
I open test flight, it shows #9.. i hit install, it asks permission.. the icon says Loading and gets 60% then says installing, goes to 85% and says Unable to download "Nippon" cancel/retry.
 
thinking...
 
if i hit retry, the icon goes from 0% loading to 75% and does Unable to download again cancel/retry
so I was thinking maybe it's a bad archive, bad signature, something like that.
 
@Fosco could be, re-exporting
@Fosco - uploading.
I've incremented the version number, maybe TestFlight will fix its end if necessary.
@Fosco - Please try again at your convenience. I've uploaded a new build.
 
hmm... same error!
 
Ok, trying on my end.
 
10:58 PM
see if anyone else is able to install it?
 
I'm trying right now.
I suspect that it's this newfangled "scheme" thing in xcode 4.
@Fosco - I think I got it.
Hang on.
@What - believe that you saw the German song I posted in the Tunes room, yes?
 
@Moshe yeah, nasty
 
@What What's nasty about it?
 
@Moshe well, it's effectively celebrating alcoholism, in a very... realistic way :)
The only alcoholism celebrating song that I approve of is this: youtube.com/watch?v=YD21bY-7Wk4
 
@What Ah, I thought it was mocking Russians and their relationship with Wodka, er Vodka. I thought it humorous, although I am not pro alcoholism.
 
11:05 PM
@Moshe yeah, it definitely is humorous. It may be because I've lived next to people who were like that in real life that I judge it more harshly
 
@What Ouch.
Drat! Anyone wanna research Xcode 4 and "schemes"?
 
Naah, it's nothing, it was just a pretty bleak look at that kind of life. :)
I had to call the ambulance once
 
The only thing I know about Schemes is that it's one by Apple to obliterate most App developers by hiding the settings.
@What Wow.
@What I am going to have to stop pinging you. This is messing with my @What brain. @What Yes @What it @What is.
Writing "What" before everything.
 
@Moshe hahahaha!
I am having trouble telling Welbog and myself apart
 
@What Why?
:P
 
11:09 PM
@Moshe I need to adjust my brain to tell us apart, I always look at some chat room and think, "oh, Welbog has answered", just to realize it was myself
You know, he's the irish canadian copycat who ripped off my idea of having a cool user name that confuses people. He goes by the name of "@Whom" now
How original.
 
@Fosco - How about now?
Now you see him, now you don't. @What, you should change your name to CheshireCat.
@Fosco - Still around?
jumps Who just starred that? turns around and sees smile fade away
 
Dear @What, I'd like to follow you down the path of the interrogative nicknames, but then Welbog would get to say he did that before it was cool. Also, I still need to wait the sockpuppet's 30 days to end before I can rename myself again. I hope we can still do business in a later date, whence more coordination will be possible.
 
Dear Apple, your fancy schmancy computer was stolen from me. You have "Find My iPhone" and "Find My iPad" but no way to find an iMac? Sheesh.
(Cuz iMac's are totally moving around on the map all the time.) </sarcasm>
 
@badp I did it before Welbog, remember? He is a cheap copyist.
Please consider changing your user name to "Whence" post haste. You'll sound the coolest of the bunch. The image I have before my inner eye is that of Terence Hill, standing on a sandy patch somewhere in the Wild West, ready to pull his two guns. He is wearing a massive sombrero, and white leather holsters for his revolvers.
 
March 30th
 
11:24 PM
ruh...? When did the Facebook style notifications come to SE? (i.e. everyone after my comment)
 
No clue.
@GeorgeMarian - I think you mentioned that you have an iPhone. Is that correct?
 
@Moshe That I do, a 3G.
 
@GeorgeMarian Do you want to try Nippon?
 
@Moshe What are the min version requirements? I'm pre-4.x.
 
@GeorgeMarian It runs on iOS 3.0+
Game center requires 4.1, but 3.x through 4.0 get to play the game with local high scores instead of Game Center.
 
11:28 PM
@Moshe Sure then, why not? I'll try almost anything once. :)
What's Game Center?
 
@GeorgeMarian If you want to buy it, go for it. Feel free to hit me up for a promo code though.
yetanotheriphoneapp AT gm ail.com
Nippon: Game of the year edition
 
@Moshe Heh, I thought the promo code was a given. Being that I'm unemployed, I'm not gonna pay for something that I'd likely get limited use. (e.g. I would buy that scrabble-like game everyone is paying, except for the reason I just noted.)
 
@GeorgeMarian Okay, sure. No problem. Please email me.
 
Will do.
 
I forgot about the unemployment, my apologies for being insensitive.
 
11:32 PM
@Moshe Heh, no worries. Also, as if, you did mention that option.
 
@GeorgeMarian - Hang on.... Mail is doing its thing.
 
No worries, I need to make something to eat anyway.
 
@Moshe are you Israeli by any chance?
 
@MylesGray No, why?
@GeorgeMarian Sent.
 
@Moshe was looking through your apps and saw a lot of hebrew writing
falls back into the hole of ignorance
 
11:40 PM
@MylesGray I'm Jewish. Does that explain it?
@MylesGray s'okay.
 
Does indeed :)
 
@MylesGray - Thanks for looking through my apps, btw. Do you have an iOS device or just iTunes?
 
iPad and iPod :)
im a newly converted windows person :P
 
@MylesGray Likewise. I've been using windows since I was 3. Just switched to Mac last year, to do iOS development.
 
@Moshe Practical question on the promo code: Where do I provide it?
 
11:42 PM
Yeah I just switched 6 months ago, cant see myself going back
 
@GeorgeMarian In iTunes, or onthe iPhone?
@MylesGray Hehe, I can relate.
Say...
 
having used windows for nigh on 16 years i needed a change
 
@Moshe On the iPhone itself.
Hmm...that brings up the question: is there a Linux version of that PoS (iTunes)?
 
@MylesGray - Would I benefit from giving you a promo code for Nippon? Do you have friends and family with iOS devices? A means by which to spread the word or an audience to target?
@GeorgeMarian In the App Store. Scroll to the bottom of "Featured".
 
@Moshe My brother, dad and mum have ipads/iphones too so i could get them to get it :)
 
11:44 PM
@MylesGray Sounds good. please email me and I'll send you a code.
 
@Moshe Oh, I see. Thank you.
 
@GeorgeMarian Sure. bows
 
@Moshe will do :)
 
16 mins ago, by Moshe
yetanotheriphoneapp AT gm ail.com
goes to get another promo code from Apple.
 
11:46 PM
@Moshe do you get as many of those as you want?
 
@MylesGray Nope, there's a limit per version.
 
ahhh okay
off topic anyone know a good FLAC->ALAC converter for mac?
itunes wont import FLAC :/
 
Have you tried VLC?
 
@Moshe yep i hate it - hideous looking
 
@GeorgeMarian - What was the first character of your promo code?
 
11:48 PM
@Moshe M
 
@MylesGray Ah, haha, as an Apple user, you need everything pretty.
@GeorgeMarian Great, thanks.
 
@GeorgeMarian A word of explanation: I just wasn't sure which code I sent you and didn't want @MylesGray to get the same one.
bbiab
 
@Moshe heh, i figured as much
 
Oh, @MylesGray - For now it's only for iPhone, although it will run in the simulator. Expect an update for iPad real soon.
 
11:51 PM
@Moshe cool! ill give this a go soon :)
ill write you a nice review and get a few people to buy it
 
@GeorgeMarian - There is a known bug with the scores on pre-4.1 devices in the current version. Expect a fix in the next release.
gotta run, bbs.
 
bye bye
 
thanks
mom calling me
bye
closes browser
 

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